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Cannabis legalization has triggered a 40 percent increase in Murder Rates

 
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Does marijuana make people violent? Washington state's murder and assault rate surged 40% after drug was legalized - and experts insist that's not a coincidence




The state became the first to legalize marijuana recreationally in 2012, the drug became available to the public in 2014

A new book claims evidence shows marijuana causes mental illness and violence

Author Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter, outlines the drug's links to psychosis



A new book claims that marijuana causes aggression, psychosis, suicides, violence - and that its legalization in Washington even triggered a 40 percent increase in murder rates.

There is little concrete information about the drug's benefits (despite plenty of claims) because its illegality has made it difficult to study.

But according to former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, there is clear evidence that marijuana is not as safe - and certainly not as curative - as the pro-cannabis groups would have us believe.



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Francis - why are you posting new threads when you haven't responded to posts from your previous ones?

Like this one for example - from yesterday. You said you couldn't access the link, so I posted the article, which I'll do again for you.

The coroner who said "cannabis poisoning" killed a British mother of three is likely blowing smoke.

Gemma Moss, 31, a devout Christian, reportedly collapsed and died after smoking half a joint at her home in Bournemouth, England.

Coroner Sheriff Payne found that she had moderate to high levels of pot in her system and attributed her death to cannabis toxicity, according to British news sites such as the Mirror Online and The Telegraph.

They say this would make her the first English woman to fatally overdose on marijuana.

"The postmortem could find no natural cause for her death, with the balance of probability that it is more likely than not that she died from the effects of cannabis," said Payne, according to The Telegraph.

The Daily News reached out to several New York doctors to see if someone could possibly die from pot.


A coroner thinks that Gemma Moss, from Bouremouth, Dorset, England, died from smoking pot. (BNPS/BNPS)
Dr. Bradley Flansbaum, a hospitalist at Lenox Hill Hospital, and Dr. Yasmin Hurd, professor of psychiatry at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, agreed that it is virtually impossible.

"From half a joint? That's ridiculous," Hurd said.

Both said that it is possible for someone to die after smoking pot if it had been laced with another drug. But that person would have died from the other, harder drug — not the cannabis.

"It would be very, very, very unlikely to get a lethal dose of the marijuana if wasn't adulterated with something," said Flansbaum.

They also agreed that the rush or anxiety from toking up could potentially exacerbate an underlying heart condition, or similar ailment, that could kill a person. Again, that condition, not the marijuana, would be responsible for taking the life.


Moss reportedly had moderate to high levels of cannabis in her system when she died, leading to the medical examiner to attribute her cause of death to 'cannabis toxicity.' (BNPS/BNPS)
Mason Tvert, director of communications for the Marijuana Policy Project, said a woman dying from pot is as likely as someone dying by walking off the edge of the Earth.

"It's been proven impossible. It flies in the face of decades and decades of medical research," said Tvert.

American Scientist, a prestigious science and technology magazine, published a report on the toxicity of recreational drugs. According to the study, a person would need to drink 10 times the average amount of alcohol it takes to get a buzz in order to overdose. But for marijuana, someone would need to consume more than 1,000 times the average amount it takes to get a little high in order to die.

"You would need to literally consume a third of your body weight in marijuana," Tvert said. "There are no acute marijuana deaths."
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Don't care, coroners verdict is final. Make a thread about it if you want to discus it, I don't respond to derailing comments anymore.
 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People


It's not a derailing comment Francis. Every single claim you've stated in your many threads has been refuted, proven false, or found to be very misleading and inaccurate.

In the case of Gemma Moss, the coroner is incorrect. This is verifiable.

In the case of this particular thread, the author of the book misstated and misused information in order to make his point. He picks certain points from studies while ignoring contradictory items in those same studies.

Did you read the book? I did. Have you?

I submit that if you haven't read it yourself, you shouldn't blindly follow what the article claims.

How many times do I need to state it - DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
GEMMA MOSS DID NOT DIE FROM CANNABIS POISONING. THE PATHOLOGIST DID NOT SAY SHE DID. LOOK AT THE FACTS.
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Seems like OPs heroin addiction has finally completely rotted his brain (not that there was much to rot lol).
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I have never taken heroin in my life. I am not a dirty, robbing skaghead you idiot.
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Once heroin reaches the brain it turns into morphine, it's the same thing.
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Two additional items, Francis:

Have you read the book you post about, or even reviewed anything by the author?

My guess is probably not. Here's a reminder to you - always do your research.

The facts in the book have been found to be misleading.
Please see following article on nymag
intelligencer/2019/01/no-pot-legalization-probably-didnt-incr​ease-homicide-rates.html

Please read and respond.


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The More Pot Couples Smoke, the Less Likely They Are to Have Domestic-Violence Incidents

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Already been proved cannabis causes more violence even domestic and we have been through it already.

A study by Ryan C. Shorey et al. (2018) linked marijuana use and interpersonal violence (IPV). The authors began by reporting that marijuana use is commonly reported among men arrested for domestic violence, a report that is concerning given the fact that past research has established a link between marijuana use and IPV.

They found that marijuana use was “positively and significantly associated” with all forms of IPV (physical, psychological, and sexual) even after controlling for all three risk factors.


Thread: Cannabis use common cause of Domestic Violence


Cannabis users are more likely to commit violent crime, pioneering research has shown.

It warned those who smoke the drug regularly run an increased risk of using violence against others.

The project is the first to demonstrate that cannabis is not only linked with violent crime but is the cause.

Researchers said that cannabis causes violence and they found no evidence that the link is the other way round – ie that violent people are more likely to use cannabis.

Thread: Cannabis users are more likely to commit violent crime

 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People



It's interesting that you point out Ryan C. Shorey in your post.
You are aware, are you not, of his research showing link between alcohol use, not pot, and domestic violence.
And what did his research show?

Marijuana use was unrelated to violence between intimate partners.

Please see article:
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For the second link you posted what the study shows is that those who are psychiatric patients and are prone to such violence may use cannabis.

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GEMMA MOSS DID NOT DIE FROM CANNABIS POISONING. THE PATHOLOGIST DID NOT SAY SHE DID. LOOK AT THE FACTS.
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It's probably quite the opposite. Smoke a bowl bro, give it a try. I promise that the last thing you'll want to do is murder someone...
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No thanks.

I value my sanity and mental health.
 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People


Well then you should quit all the opiods you are on, they are clearly having a negative impact on both your sanity and mental health.
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They don't have any impact on any aspect of my life or health, just some pain relief along with my other meds.
Cannabis destroys the heart and vascular system, dangerously lowers blood pressure and causes psychosis and paranoia

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Thread: cannabis saves lives - the most wonderful plant in the world
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Cannabis destroys the heart and vascular system, dangerously lowers blood pressure and causes psychosis and paranoia

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And Francis was that fat, rich mean faggot (not cig) that stole Pee Wee Herman’s bike....dipshit. Don’t uk snaggle tooths watch us movies?
Your too high to know the dude is fn with you. Haaaaaaaaa

Codine is a purer form of poppy plants. Unprocessed not like lady h.
Ask your friend mr brownstone. He knows.

Pot is not stronger than past days. I’ve got 4 decades botanical skill to prove. Remember the sssc magazine? Same strains just new cousins and names. Dabs are new. Hashish is over 6000+ years in play.
Any historical data? Are you the Einstein who can a breakthru to bring new researched facts. Didn’t know you could color and read. But you have a lot of free time

I’m a little over 50. Good shape, few aches and pains. I’ve never killed anyone?
So when do these “problems “ begin? Francis? Haaaaaaaaafnhaaaaa

Bet your setting on an 8 ball of #00 no melt.

I think your problem is the dick in your ass. Beg Peggy to take it out. Bet you don’t need your poisons.

Oh, read how pill pharma was started and funded by the mega rich families. They owned the pharmaceutical and chemical companies that to this day make $$$ off your dumbass.

Oh buslh.....dipshit.

And why do you almost never put me in blue copy with a witty quip?
I like u...u no likey me?
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One things for sure....Cannabis isn't killing anyone.
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And Francis was that fat, rich mean faggot (not cig) that stole Pee Wee Herman’s bike....dipshit. Don’t uk snaggle tooths watch us movies?
Your too high to know the dude is fn with you. Haaaaaaaaa

Codine is a purer form of poppy plants. Unprocessed not like lady h.
Ask your friend mr brownstone. He knows.

Pot is not stronger than past days. I’ve got 4 decades botanical skill to prove. Remember the sssc magazine? Same strains just new cousins and names. Dabs are new. Hashish is over 6000+ years in play.
Any historical data? Are you the Einstein who can a breakthru to bring new researched facts. Didn’t know you could color and read. But you have a lot of free time

I’m a little over 50. Good shape, few aches and pains. I’ve never killed anyone?
So when do these “problems “ begin? Francis? Haaaaaaaaafnhaaaaa

Bet your setting on an 8 ball of #00 no melt.

I think your problem is the dick in your ass. Beg Peggy to take it out. Bet you don’t need your poisons.

Oh, read how pill pharma was started and funded by the mega rich families. They owned the pharmaceutical and chemical companies that to this day make $$$ off your dumbass.

Oh buslh.....dipshit.

And why do you almost never put me in blue copy with a witty quip?
I like u...u no likey me?
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Stop your incoherent, drug-addled ramblings that no one can understand and reply sober then I will acknowledge you.

Get help redskin.
Cannabis destroys the heart and vascular system, dangerously lowers blood pressure and causes psychosis and paranoia

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Making the connection to cannabis is just stupid. People have smoked here like crazy well before it was legal. The rise in crime is due to rise of heroin addiction, nothing to do with cannabis. I see the heroin junkies roaming the streets every day like zombies.

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And Francis was that fat, rich mean faggot (not cig) that stole Pee Wee Herman’s bike....dipshit. Don’t uk snaggle tooths watch us movies?
Your too high to know the dude is fn with you. Haaaaaaaaa

Codine is a purer form of poppy plants. Unprocessed not like lady h.
Ask your friend mr brownstone. He knows.

Pot is not stronger than past days. I’ve got 4 decades botanical skill to prove. Remember the sssc magazine? Same strains just new cousins and names. Dabs are new. Hashish is over 6000+ years in play.
Any historical data? Are you the Einstein who can a breakthru to bring new researched facts. Didn’t know you could color and read. But you have a lot of free time

I’m a little over 50. Good shape, few aches and pains. I’ve never killed anyone?
So when do these “problems “ begin? Francis? Haaaaaaaaafnhaaaaa

Bet your setting on an 8 ball of #00 no melt.

I think your problem is the dick in your ass. Beg Peggy to take it out. Bet you don’t need your poisons.

Oh, read how pill pharma was started and funded by the mega rich families. They owned the pharmaceutical and chemical companies that to this day make $$$ off your dumbass.

Oh buslh.....dipshit.

And why do you almost never put me in blue copy with a witty quip?
I like u...u no likey me?
 Quoting: CoololdIndian


Stop your incoherent, drug-addled ramblings that no one can understand and reply sober then I will acknowledge you.

Get help redskin.
 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People


Redskin? I've seen people stating you're racist. Now I've seen it myself.

You need help Francis.
GEMMA MOSS DID NOT DIE FROM CANNABIS POISONING. THE PATHOLOGIST DID NOT SAY SHE DID. LOOK AT THE FACTS.
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The daily mail? Thats gross
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Your just stupid to read.

I look like the Aryan race . 6’ blond,green eyed, rosy faced redskin.

I just don’t like stupid. Fun to exploit though.

Question what do you do all day and night. I travel and familiar w time zones.

Is this your life? Gotta be a smarter snaggle tooth foreigner to get me mf”r!

And dude, research business negotiations. Stupidest play is insults and name calling.... I’m very guilty too.

BUT I DONT GOT A DICK IN MY ASS LIKE YOU,,,

HA HA mf’r.
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And Francis was that fat, rich mean faggot (not cig) that stole Pee Wee Herman’s bike....dipshit. Don’t uk snaggle tooths watch us movies?
Your too high to know the dude is fn with you. Haaaaaaaaa

Codine is a purer form of poppy plants. Unprocessed not like lady h.
Ask your friend mr brownstone. He knows.

Pot is not stronger than past days. I’ve got 4 decades botanical skill to prove. Remember the sssc magazine? Same strains just new cousins and names. Dabs are new. Hashish is over 6000+ years in play.
Any historical data? Are you the Einstein who can a breakthru to bring new researched facts. Didn’t know you could color and read. But you have a lot of free time

I’m a little over 50. Good shape, few aches and pains. I’ve never killed anyone?
So when do these “problems “ begin? Francis? Haaaaaaaaafnhaaaaa

Bet your setting on an 8 ball of #00 no melt.

I think your problem is the dick in your ass. Beg Peggy to take it out. Bet you don’t need your poisons.

Oh, read how pill pharma was started and funded by the mega rich families. They owned the pharmaceutical and chemical companies that to this day make $$$ off your dumbass.

Oh buslh.....dipshit.

And why do you almost never put me in blue copy with a witty quip?
I like u...u no likey me?
 Quoting: CoololdIndian


Stop your incoherent, drug-addled ramblings that no one can understand and reply sober then I will acknowledge you.

Get help redskin.
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Redskin? I've seen people stating you're racist. Now I've seen it myself.

You need help Francis.
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racist3
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The daily mail? Thats gross
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Why? Because its not one of the liberal, leftie labour supporting rags you read?

Fucking Antifa cunt!
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The daily mail? Thats gross
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Why? Because its not one of the liberal, leftie labour supporting rags you read?

Fucking Antifa cunt!
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Wow, Francis, a bit more violent than usual. You do know violence is a side effect of opiate (heroin) addiction, don't you?
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The daily mail? Thats gross
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Why? Because its not one of the liberal, leftie labour supporting rags you read?

Fucking Antifa cunt!
 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People


Wow, Francis, a bit more violent than usual. You do know violence is a side effect of opiate (heroin) addiction, don't you?
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I wouldn't know that as I am not an addict nor am I violent.
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This will never end unless we stop feeding it. Francis craves attention, nothing more. It accomplishes this by puking in the punch bowl and telling us it's alphabet soup.

Ignore it's obvious taunting. Instead let's divert some of its anger towards more peaceful endeavors. Say . . .



So lighten up Francis. The world is not as full of boogey men as your heroin addicted mind thinks.

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You have a billion guns in the US
Do the math, you guys still live in the wild west.
Well your country is not even 500 years old so basically a overgrown fat little boy so I don't blame you guys, you will mature.

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The daily mail? Thats gross
 Quoting: Fractals


Why? Because its not one of the liberal, leftie labour supporting rags you read?

Fucking Antifa cunt!
 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People


Wow, Francis, a bit more violent than usual. You do know violence is a side effect of opiate (heroin) addiction, don't you?
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I wouldn't know that as I am not an addict nor am I violent.
 Quoting: Cannabis Kills People



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You have a billion guns in the US
Do the math, you guys still live in the wild west.
Well your country is not even 500 years old so basically a overgrown fat little boy so I don't blame you guys, you will mature.
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um, have you seen France lately?
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Bob Marley "Alcohol vs. Marijuana"

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Drunk vs Stoned

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You have a billion guns in the US
Do the math, you guys still live in the wild west.
Well your country is not even 500 years old so basically a overgrown fat little boy so I don't blame you guys, you will mature.
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um, have you seen France lately?
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Yes lots of Unarmed violence and arsonry
Whats your point?
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You have a billion guns in the US
Do the math, you guys still live in the wild west.
Well your country is not even 500 years old so basically a overgrown fat little boy so I don't blame you guys, you will mature.
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um, have you seen France lately?
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Yes lots of Unarmed violence and arsonry
Whats your point?
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Age of the country has nothing to do with it. Violence is violence. Just because you've been neutered to the point of throwing rocks doesn't lessen the depth of your violence.
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YOU are who they hired to suppress how the plant helps people? Lol. Low i.q. they are scraping bottom of barrel

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YOU are who they hired to suppress how the plant helps people? Lol. Low i.q. they are scraping bottom of barrel

P.s. 1 * dipshit shill
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LOL what?

I would love to know who you think "hired" me since I haven't worked for the last 20 years.
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YOU are who they hired to suppress how the plant helps people? Lol. Low i.q. they are scraping bottom of barrel

P.s. 1 * dipshit shill
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LOL what?

I would love to know who you think "hired" me since I haven't worked for the last 20 years.
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You really have to be the biggest dumbfuck on GLP. Really, get a life.
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