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Unfortunately, there's no choice but some sort of path to citizenship for the millions that are already here. The problem is too big. You can't go round them all up. What you can do, as an example, is seal the border first, then have them all register, give them a time frame (1 year or something), put them at the back of the line. In the mean time, they have to go through the same citizenship requirements everyone else has to, etc, etc. For the ones that fail to register, after whatever time frame, and they get caught (pulled over, etc) they get deported. Maybe give them extra time to register if they have a legal resident sponsor. Or something.
Point is, it's not perfect, but we are were we are. It's a path to citizenship, but not an amnesty at all. It's humane and fair.
Just an idea.
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There is nothing wrong with legal immigration. Countless brilliant people in our society got here by immigration. We need intelligent people in this country no matter where they come from
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This is the way it should be done for the people bitching about America first. Trump is smart he can not afford to cut off the legal H1-B holders. Those people did it right but I bet what he will do is stop all the over staying and the abuse of the H1-B visas by people. There has to be a middle ground and the United States was built by immigrants and as a human everyone deserves to be able to go where they want. It just needs to be done the right way and if you are a criminal then you fucked up your chances. I am sure Trunp and his team has it all reformed to better suit the American people.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
 Quoting: Cosmic Asgard


OK, so that is why they get an H1-B to work in the US temporarily.

So why should these skilled H1-B immigrants should not only be allowed to work temporarily, but also to obtain citizenship which will allow them and their extended families to remain permanently?
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Because they are

Documented
Law abiding
Skilled
Legal immigrants


All this time President Trump never ever said immigrants were a problem. He said ILLEGAL immigration is a problem.
 Quoting: Nonentity


He also said he was going to do something about the h1b abuse. They have displaced a lot of American workers, and that is not what h1b was intended for.
 Quoting: Anonymous Cowlick

Every single one of them who attended college or grad school here got a student visa, and to get that visa they had to SWEAR (or affirm) that they had NO IMMIGRATION INTENTION.

99% of them have sworn falsely. They should be presumptively kicked out for that. If some can make a convincing case that they really didn't plan to join their countrymen on the way to staying here a long time, they can make that case.
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This is the way it should be done for the people bitching about America first. Trump is smart he can not afford to cut off the legal H1-B holders. Those people did it right but I bet what he will do is stop all the over staying and the abuse of the H1-B visas by people. There has to be a middle ground and the United States was built by immigrants and as a human everyone deserves to be able to go where they want. It just needs to be done the right way and if you are a criminal then you fucked up your chances. I am sure Trunp and his team has it all reformed to better suit the American people.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


See my post above. Most or all of them lied under oath about their immigration intention.
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Lol Trump is betraying his supporters lol.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
 Quoting: Cosmic Asgard


OK, so that is why they get an H1-B to work in the US temporarily.

So why should these skilled H1-B immigrants should not only be allowed to work temporarily, but also to obtain citizenship which will allow them and their extended families to remain permanently?
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Because anything that contributes to the U.S. becoming a 3rd world shit-hole is a bad idea.

It's not possible to have a 1st world country with a 3rd world population.
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Unfortunately, there's no choice but some sort of path to citizenship for the millions that are already here. The problem is too big. You can't go round them all up. What you can do, as an example, is seal the border first, then have them all register, give them a time frame (1 year or something), put them at the back of the line. In the mean time, they have to go through the same citizenship requirements everyone else has to, etc, etc. For the ones that fail to register, after whatever time frame, and they get caught (pulled over, etc) they get deported. Maybe give them extra time to register if they have a legal resident sponsor. Or something.
Point is, it's not perfect, but we are were we are. It's a path to citizenship, but not an amnesty at all. It's humane and fair.
Just an idea.
 Quoting: Robrock85



You're writing as if it's about the illegals. Here we are discussing people in professional jobs who need official status, otherwise they would leave in a heartbeat. We can trim down the number on legal status to those who really cannot be replaced by Americans -- after PROVEN very good faith efforts to find and pay Americans for those jobs.

But they did lie under oath to get their student visas. We should not forget all about that.
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We have needed immigration reform for a long time. Dems have been promising it for 10 yrs. It would be ironic if a Republican President is the one to finally do it.
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We have needed immigration reform for a long time. Dems have been promising it for 10 yrs. It would be ironic if a Republican President is the one to finally do it.
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We don't need amnesty in any form. We need deportation. Even for these "legal" 3rd-world job thieves.
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Lol Trump is betraying his supporters lol.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
 Quoting: Cosmic Asgard


As long as Congress keeps shitting out hundreds of thousands HB1 visas it doesn't. Doesn't help American workers a damn bit.
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If this were true, don't you think that would have happened a long time ago?

No one ever said legal immigration is a problem except the left by false accusations.

The numbers are clear, illegal immigration is a tremendous strain to our economy.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Today's limousine liberals are like yesterday's people involved in the slave trade. The ones who wanted an easy system for plantation owners and sellers of, in effect, human machinery.

The same lack of restraints and ethics is being promoted by today's left, which was also a largely Democrat-liberal and go-with-the-flow phenomenon in the late 1800s.

Notice how liberals are more bothered by the plight of the illegal for political/ideological reasons, but turn a blind eye when it comes to the misery and ruthlessness of the illegal-immigration trade. Fostered by people on the south side of the Mexican border, but also by be-quiet-and-tolerate-it people on the American side of the border.


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Its total bs and glp is blocking some word in the copied posts or something, but the people who dont like it and the points they are making are the reality.
The rest is parrots and progs with no perceived stake in it. It doesn't mean anything to them.
They can roll back and ride the foriegner takeover babdwagon

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The President can't do it without an AMERICAN Supreme Court. 53-47;)

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Unfortunately, there's no choice but some sort of path to citizenship for the millions that are already here. The problem is too big. You can't go round them all up. What you can do, as an example, is seal the border first, then have them all register, give them a time frame (1 year or something), put them at the back of the line. In the mean time, they have to go through the same citizenship requirements everyone else has to, etc, etc. For the ones that fail to register, after whatever time frame, and they get caught (pulled over, etc) they get deported. Maybe give them extra time to register if they have a legal resident sponsor. Or something.
Point is, it's not perfect, but we are were we are. It's a path to citizenship, but not an amnesty at all. It's humane and fair.
Just an idea.
 Quoting: Robrock85


Green for good thinking that is facing reality.
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Thank you very much.
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OK, so that is why they get an H1-B to work in the US temporarily.

So why should these skilled H1-B immigrants should not only be allowed to work temporarily, but also to obtain citizenship which will allow them and their extended families to remain permanently?
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Because they are

Documented
Law abiding
Skilled
Legal immigrants


All this time President Trump never ever said immigrants were a problem. He said ILLEGAL immigration is a problem.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Congratulations. Once they are allowed to stay and move on to management positions, if your son or daughter is now in college is more likely to have a boss named Kumar.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


If this were true, don't you think that would have happened a long time ago?

No one ever said legal immigration is a problem except the left by false accusations.

The numbers are clear, illegal immigration is a tremendous strain to our economy.

Legal immigration actual profits the economy bt providing skilled labor.

Even tough farm jobs can be profitable for our economy and the immigrants if it is done legally.


Illegal immigration also hurts legal immigrants.


President Trump uses facts, not emotionally charged bipartisan tantrums.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Huh? Have you been in a coma for 2 decades?

H1-B immigrants are why the majority of our own most skilled have extreme job insecurity, are massively underpaid and have as hard a time buying a house as your average plumber or electrician.

I've worked for companies where more than half of upper management aren't from here, are rude and very bad at their jobs. The reason they get the jobs and are promoted is because they have their own little secret network/mafia within the company/industry that promotes each other.

Trump IS betraying his base.

We need NO new immigration for 20 years.
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This is the way it should be done for the people bitching about America first. Trump is smart he can not afford to cut off the legal H1-B holders. Those people did it right but I bet what he will do is stop all the over staying and the abuse of the H1-B visas by people. There has to be a middle ground and the United States was built by immigrants and as a human everyone deserves to be able to go where they want. It just needs to be done the right way and if you are a criminal then you fucked up your chances. I am sure Trunp and his team has it all reformed to better suit the American people.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


There are some people abusing the H1B1 visas. I know for a fact that these people come from India directly on a short term temporary assignment. As soon as their contract is up, they look for another contract for low rate and apply for a Green Card. These people are temporary workers and not supposed to stay longer than they were intended to.
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Of course this will be ignored by the anti Trump media.
It doesn't fit their narrative.
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If this were true, don't you think that would have happened a long time ago?

No one ever said legal immigration is a problem except the left by false accusations.

The numbers are clear, illegal immigration is a tremendous strain to our economy.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Today's limousine liberals are like yesterday's people involved in the slave trade. The ones who wanted an easy system for plantation owners and sellers of, in effect, human machinery.

The same lack of restraints and ethics is being promoted by today's left, which was also a largely Democrat-liberal and go-with-the-flow phenomenon in the late 1800s.

Notice how liberals are more bothered by the plight of the illegal for political/ideological reasons, but turn a blind eye when it comes to the misery and ruthlessness of the illegal-immigration trade. Fostered by people on the south side of the Mexican border, but also by be-quiet-and-tolerate-it people on the American side of the border.


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 Quoting: CSnow


They advocate no guns yet they sell arms.

They say they need border security as they sneak drugs across.

They argue against the very crimes they are involved. It's like controlled opposition on crack.

These people are Marxists, no doubt.

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H1-B visas are called the "Silent Invasion". This is how the global pirates have been slowly changing professional US demographics for 30 years. Most H1b holders are DOCTORS NOT ENGINEERS and this is why our med system has been taken over. They come here and NEVER LEAVE.

I could not get a medical residency because THEY only hire their own,,,im stuck with useless MD degree.

I lost my job in Computer science due to a group of Indians undercutting my department by working for less than 4$ per hour.
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Because they are

Documented
Law abiding
Skilled
Legal immigrants


All this time President Trump never ever said immigrants were a problem. He said ILLEGAL immigration is a problem.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Congratulations. Once they are allowed to stay and move on to management positions, if your son or daughter is now in college is more likely to have a boss named Kumar.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


If this were true, don't you think that would have happened a long time ago?

No one ever said legal immigration is a problem except the left by false accusations.

The numbers are clear, illegal immigration is a tremendous strain to our economy.

Legal immigration actual profits the economy bt providing skilled labor.

Even tough farm jobs can be profitable for our economy and the immigrants if it is done legally.


Illegal immigration also hurts legal immigrants.


President Trump uses facts, not emotionally charged bipartisan tantrums.
 Quoting: Nonentity


Huh? Have you been in a coma for 2 decades?

H1-B immigrants are why the majority of our own most skilled have extreme job insecurity, are massively underpaid and have as hard a time buying a house as your average plumber or electrician.

I've worked for companies where more than half of upper management aren't from here, are rude and very bad at their jobs. The reason they get the jobs and are promoted is because they have their own little secret network/mafia within the company/industry that promotes each other.

Trump IS betraying his base.

We need NO new immigration for 20 years.
 Quoting: FivelCubed

Indians, and Muslims, especially tend to form closed networks and favor their own.

We need to start doing the same. Is it racist? Isn't everyone?
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H1-B visas are called the "Silent Invasion". This is how the global pirates have been slowly changing professional US demographics for 30 years. Most H1b holders are DOCTORS NOT ENGINEERS and this is why our med system has been taken over. They come here and NEVER LEAVE.

I could not get a medical residency because THEY only hire their own,,,im stuck with useless MD degree.

I lost my job in Computer science due to a group of Indians undercutting my department by working for less than 4$ per hour.
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Yep.

But their friends, with overseas MD degrees, get residencies.
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This is the way it should be done for the people bitching about America first. Trump is smart he can not afford to cut off the legal H1-B holders. Those people did it right but I bet what he will do is stop all the over staying and the abuse of the H1-B visas by people. There has to be a middle ground and the United States was built by immigrants and as a human everyone deserves to be able to go where they want. It just needs to be done the right way and if you are a criminal then you fucked up your chances. I am sure Trunp and his team has it all reformed to better suit the American people.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


America was not built by immigrants.
American was built by settlers who came to pretty much vacant land after 9 out of 10 indigenous had been wiped out by disease brought by Cortez, an explorer.
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I don't want H1-B visa holders to have "paths to citizenship". I think these programs largely need to be eliminated or reduced severely because there are plenty of Americans who can do those jobs and who have been FIRED (or never hired) because companies can get foreigners to work much cheaper and then hold them like hostages.

I don't want more immigration, illegal or LEGAL. I think we need to stop for a while, put the brakes on, and try to assimilate the people we have. We should NOT be hiring any foreigners until every American who wants a job has one. And maybe train some of those people on the welfare rolls to do some kind of useful work.
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What happened to America First policy ? I thought he cared about American Workers.
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I don't want H1-B visa holders to have "paths to citizenship". I think these programs largely need to be eliminated or reduced severely because there are plenty of Americans who can do those jobs and who have been FIRED (or never hired) because companies can get foreigners to work much cheaper and then hold them like hostages.

I don't want more immigration, illegal or LEGAL. I think we need to stop for a while, put the brakes on, and try to assimilate the people we have. We should NOT be hiring any foreigners until every American who wants a job has one. And maybe train some of those people on the welfare rolls to do some kind of useful work.
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Yes.
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This is the way it should be done for the people bitching about America first. Trump is smart he can not afford to cut off the legal H1-B holders. Those people did it right but I bet what he will do is stop all the over staying and the abuse of the H1-B visas by people. There has to be a middle ground and the United States was built by immigrants and as a human everyone deserves to be able to go where they want. It just needs to be done the right way and if you are a criminal then you fucked up your chances. I am sure Trunp and his team has it all reformed to better suit the American people.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


America was not built by immigrants.
American was built by settlers who came to pretty much vacant land after 9 out of 10 indigenous had been wiped out by disease brought by Cortez, an explorer.
 Quoting: titanbrian



I agree with you. My ancestors helped to settle the US/Canada and they built the towns, the roads, the laws, the Constitution, fought in all the wars, etc. We weren't fucking immigrants. The immigrants were the cheap labor the elite class let in to work the factories for PENNIES. And they had an effect on destroying our commitment to the Constitution and the ideals of the Founding Fathers because many of them came from corrupt lands. Think of how much better off our country might be if we had not let in the MAFIA for example. There are very strong parallels with the current migrant situation except the old timers did it legal, but each wave of migration dilutes the civilization that founded this country. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY LIBERALS NOW. They come from "immigrant" backgrounds even back to the 19th century.
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This is the way it should be done for the people bitching about America first. Trump is smart he can not afford to cut off the legal H1-B holders. Those people did it right but I bet what he will do is stop all the over staying and the abuse of the H1-B visas by people. There has to be a middle ground and the United States was built by immigrants and as a human everyone deserves to be able to go where they want. It just needs to be done the right way and if you are a criminal then you fucked up your chances. I am sure Trunp and his team has it all reformed to better suit the American people.
 Quoting: NFGWolf


America was not built by immigrants.
American was built by settlers who came to pretty much vacant land after 9 out of 10 indigenous had been wiped out by disease brought by Cortez, an explorer.
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They had no ready made jobs, no hospitals, no roads, no schools, no social services. Nothing.
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Dumb-down White kids with kosher sex, drugs and ne gro noise and a shit education and then say we need to bring in non-Whites because American kids just aren't interested in the science fields.

Just like they propagandize White people to have fewer children with the lie that White people are over-populating the world and then say White countries need non-Whites to come in to their countries to bolster the population numbers because Whites aren't reproducing enough.

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H1-B visas are called the "Silent Invasion". This is how the global pirates have been slowly changing professional US demographics for 30 years. Most H1b holders are DOCTORS NOT ENGINEERS and this is why our med system has been taken over. They come here and NEVER LEAVE.

I could not get a medical residency because THEY only hire their own,,,im stuck with useless MD degree.

I lost my job in Computer science due to a group of Indians undercutting my department by working for less than 4$ per hour.
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I've personally known three Americans who were fired and H1B workers hired in their place.