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President Trump: "H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming -- including a potential path to citizenship.

 
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Lol Trump is betraying his supporters lol.
 Quoting: jimmyduffy


No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
 Quoting: Cosmic Asgard



^^^^^this.

Border wall, border security, end/limit the flow coming in. Then deal with who is already here.

Some call that "amnesty", but there's no other humane way to do it at this point.

He's not betraying anyone. It's the most practical and common sense option.

My worry? What happens when Dems lose the ability to use fear against us all and keep us fighting about this. I haven't been alive a day on this Earth that Immigration was not a political issue in the USA. I feel like Trump is going to end this, then what do they have?? Cue Antifa I guess....
 Quoting: Lady D


They come here knowing they are temporary workers and that it could be altered/ended at any time. Most probably come from the more well off families in their own nation anyway. I don't think the "lower caste untouchables" comprise a lot of the H1B workers. So, it's not inhumane at all to send them back and stop the program altogether imo.
 Quoting: Far Away



See your point, appreciate your opinion, but I guess for me it all comes down to how productive they can prove they are? I mean how long have some been here at this point? Because of Democrats, they've basically been allowed to just stay. No consequences, nothing. I know MANY. Say someone has been here 20 years. Built a life, owns a home, has a family. I don't agree with it AT ALL but there has to be a cutting off and restarting place.

I'm for bigger borders, cut it off, deal with who is here, and move forward. I don't want to be dealing with the past. Boom, bang, DONE. No more staying over past your visa. No more "sneaking in." No more drugs. No more trafficking. I'm about 2 hrs from the border...cut it off and move forward.

This shouldn't be allowed to become another 300 year issue. Like slavery.
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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This is the greatest betrayal to his base of his Presidency. Americans first was the entire point of voting for him.

So now we have no representation within government. Both parties and our President place the needs of foreigners over that of Americans.

We are not even talking about immigrants already here but rather going out of our way to import and chose foreign nationals for jobs over Americans.

This was the final straw. I can no longer in good conscience support him. What would be the point, just one big sham lie to his supporters of a Presidency.
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Trump's comment may not be unfriendly to us, we'll have to wait and see.

H1-B's used to ASSUME there was a path to citizenship for them, just hang out long enough for an employer to sponsor them for a green card. Now Trump is saying there's only a "potential path". Doesn't sound like it's getting closer for them.

We want to encourage talented people to stay here. But I do think the bar might be quite a bit higher than it is now. We can benefit from a few exceptional people, so give them a path to citizenship. Throw the rest back, to make their own countries great. Make the process very competitive for them against each other and somehow extract the benefit for the public, not for private corporate profit.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
 Quoting: Cosmic Asgard



^^^^^this.

Border wall, border security, end/limit the flow coming in. Then deal with who is already here.

Some call that "amnesty", but there's no other humane way to do it at this point.

He's not betraying anyone. It's the most practical and common sense option.

My worry? What happens when Dems lose the ability to use fear against us all and keep us fighting about this. I haven't been alive a day on this Earth that Immigration was not a political issue in the USA. I feel like Trump is going to end this, then what do they have?? Cue Antifa I guess....
 Quoting: Lady D


They come here knowing they are temporary workers and that it could be altered/ended at any time. Most probably come from the more well off families in their own nation anyway. I don't think the "lower caste untouchables" comprise a lot of the H1B workers. So, it's not inhumane at all to send them back and stop the program altogether imo.
 Quoting: Far Away



See your point, appreciate your opinion, but I guess for me it all comes down to how productive they can prove they are? I mean how long have some been here at this point? Because of Democrats, they've basically been allowed to just stay. No consequences, nothing. I know MANY. Say someone has been here 20 years. Built a life, owns a home, has a family. I don't agree with it AT ALL but there has to be a cutting off and restarting place.

I'm for bigger borders, cut it off, deal with who is here, and move forward. I don't want to be dealing with the past. Boom, bang, DONE. No more staying over past your visa. No more "sneaking in." No more drugs. No more trafficking. I'm about 2 hrs from the border...cut it off and move forward.

This shouldn't be allowed to become another 300 year issue. Like slavery.
 Quoting: Lady D


There's no need to keep the ones who are here who don't yet have green cards. If they went 20 years and couldn't find anyone to sponsor them, for at least the past 10 they've known the score and could have sought opportunity back in their home countries. Buying a house without a permanent visa is madness; if they lose because of it, that's on them.

How many of these people have you seen that are GREAT? It's very rare. That's because their home countries don't want them back. Now that green card sponsorship has become steadily less automatic, many who could find jobs in their home countries have left to go back. We are left with the DREGS who still hang on here because of habit and maybe sympathy.

Time to remove people who aren't great and replace them with Americans who will be about as good or better.

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That is bullshit.
 Quoting: Far Away


Brilliant rebuttal. I stand corrected.
 Quoting: aquanet


I know that a lot of US Universities are "dumbed down" as you say, and many H1B employees graduate from them.

It is a lie that White people are not reproducing enough. Technology creates a need for less workers. Immigration feeds on itself. When you have VAST numbers coming in- you have an immediate need for more houses, schools, medical people, box stores, etc., etc., etc.- so then there aren't enough Whites to take care of this manufactured need, so you must import more and more. A sick cycle.
 Quoting: Far Away

Well then whites need to reproduce more anyway. As long as others are coming in, unless they're remarkably special (which we have a special visa for, not the normal H1B path) it means we could have filled those spots with our own.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Immigration has just unbalanced everything. With technology, a lack of all this outsourcing, and little to no immigration- employers would have to compete a bit for workers- intead of having the world of dirt poor people at their disposal. It would naturally make higher wages for US workers. There is a GLUT of workers to say the least and wages have not risen for decades (in fact I would say there's been a decline when compared to the cost of living).
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Trump's comment may not be unfriendly to us, we'll have to wait and see.

H1-B's used to ASSUME there was a path to citizenship for them, just hang out long enough for an employer to sponsor them for a green card. Now Trump is saying there's only a "potential path". Doesn't sound like it's getting closer for them.

We want to encourage talented people to stay here. But I do think the bar might be quite a bit higher than it is now. We can benefit from a few exceptional people, so give them a path to citizenship. Throw the rest back, to make their own countries great. Make the process very competitive for them against each other and somehow extract the benefit for the public, not for private corporate profit.
 Quoting: oniongrass


I think all we really need now in regards to immigration is brilliant scientists in specific fields, innovators, researchers- genius type/savant type people who can really advance us as a society.
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^^^^^this.

Border wall, border security, end/limit the flow coming in. Then deal with who is already here.

Some call that "amnesty", but there's no other humane way to do it at this point.

He's not betraying anyone. It's the most practical and common sense option.

My worry? What happens when Dems lose the ability to use fear against us all and keep us fighting about this. I haven't been alive a day on this Earth that Immigration was not a political issue in the USA. I feel like Trump is going to end this, then what do they have?? Cue Antifa I guess....
 Quoting: Lady D


They come here knowing they are temporary workers and that it could be altered/ended at any time. Most probably come from the more well off families in their own nation anyway. I don't think the "lower caste untouchables" comprise a lot of the H1B workers. So, it's not inhumane at all to send them back and stop the program altogether imo.
 Quoting: Far Away



See your point, appreciate your opinion, but I guess for me it all comes down to how productive they can prove they are? I mean how long have some been here at this point? Because of Democrats, they've basically been allowed to just stay. No consequences, nothing. I know MANY. Say someone has been here 20 years. Built a life, owns a home, has a family. I don't agree with it AT ALL but there has to be a cutting off and restarting place.

I'm for bigger borders, cut it off, deal with who is here, and move forward. I don't want to be dealing with the past. Boom, bang, DONE. No more staying over past your visa. No more "sneaking in." No more drugs. No more trafficking. I'm about 2 hrs from the border...cut it off and move forward.

This shouldn't be allowed to become another 300 year issue. Like slavery.
 Quoting: Lady D


There's no need to keep the ones who are here who don't yet have green cards. If they went 20 years and couldn't find anyone to sponsor them, for at least the past 10 they've known the score and could have sought opportunity back in their home countries. Buying a house without a permanent visa is madness; if they lose because of it, that's on them.
 Quoting: oniongrass




You missed my point. Up until now? There was no need to do anything but get here and stay. No need for sponsorship. They were always protected by Democrats.

So now....here we are. Unless you want the "ripping families apart, how inhumane" CNN exclusive, it has to be more than what you're suggesting.

If you're in a border state I apologise, but I was born here and have lived here all but 7 years of my life. As much as you want to? You cannot and will not be able to just grab people and chuck them across the border.

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I actually have an interesting perspective. I am a Network Engineer for a company which is about 90% immigrant. I don't know what numbers are full citizens or visa's, but I do get to hear a story every day, about their personal history.

There different types of immigrants and based on the many conversations I've had with these very lovely people, you can have a variety of scenarios.

1: Visa holder doesn't much like America, if they hold dual citizenship they may try to have a home in several countries, but it's still taxed in America. Even once they become full citizens there's no law stopping them. They often have to choose rather stay or go, not because American law, but the foreign country has no interest in working with them.

2: Every Visa, or permanent citizen or resident will send a lot of money back to their home country. Many, many thousands. It's just the way it works. America is the land of opportunity, and they won't forget their family.

3: Yes you can bring your family, the US has forms you can fill out and it actually does encourage chain migration if it's immediate family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but its a simple reality.

4: Most of them believe in making America great, again. Although they want to help their family in each respective country, they don't plan on leaving once they're here. And they hate illegal immigration.

Take it for what it is, if you want to close the borders and just only hire Americans and have a natural born American workforce, then go for it. But those for this are actually right. My immigrant co-workers tell me that other countries do not work this way most of the time. Getting a job as a foreigner is extremely hard, and getting citizenship is impossible. As a result, other countries have an ethnically pure workforce and this often sounds attractive to isolationists.
I see now, the right has a clear confliction regarding this.
Isolationists want to hire purely natural born American workers, and not embrace others. Often it's suggested that we can take the best and skilled, but if you're a pure isolationist, you will believe the best is right here and it's not necessary. I think the right is going to have a hard time keeping the base happy if the base includes deep isolationists.
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Trump's comment may not be unfriendly to us, we'll have to wait and see.

H1-B's used to ASSUME there was a path to citizenship for them, just hang out long enough for an employer to sponsor them for a green card. Now Trump is saying there's only a "potential path". Doesn't sound like it's getting closer for them.

We want to encourage talented people to stay here. But I do think the bar might be quite a bit higher than it is now. We can benefit from a few exceptional people, so give them a path to citizenship. Throw the rest back, to make their own countries great. Make the process very competitive for them against each other and somehow extract the benefit for the public, not for private corporate profit.
 Quoting: oniongrass


The comment I would like to hear- We are gradually reducing and ending H1 programs, and since this is a federal program, firing US workers in favor of foreign workers will not be allowed in the phase out period.
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I actually have an interesting perspective. I am a Network Engineer for a company which is about 90% immigrant. I don't know what numbers are full citizens or visa's, but I do get to hear a story every day, about their personal history.

There different types of immigrants and based on the many conversations I've had with these very lovely people, you can have a variety of scenarios.

1: Visa holder doesn't much like America, if they hold dual citizenship they may try to have a home in several countries, but it's still taxed in America. Even once they become full citizens there's no law stopping them. They often have to choose rather stay or go, not because American law, but the foreign country has no interest in working with them.

2: Every Visa, or permanent citizen or resident will send a lot of money back to their home country. Many, many thousands. It's just the way it works. America is the land of opportunity, and they won't forget their family.

3: Yes you can bring your family, the US has forms you can fill out and it actually does encourage chain migration if it's immediate family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but its a simple reality.

4: Most of them believe in making America great, again. Although they want to help their family in each respective country, they don't plan on leaving once they're here. And they hate illegal immigration.

Take it for what it is, if you want to close the borders and just only hire Americans and have a natural born American workforce, then go for it. But those for this are actually right. My immigrant co-workers tell me that other countries do not work this way most of the time. Getting a job as a foreigner is extremely hard, and getting citizenship is impossible. As a result, other countries have an ethnically pure workforce and this often sounds attractive to isolationists.
I see now, the right has a clear confliction regarding this.
Isolationists want to hire purely natural born American workers, and not embrace others. Often it's suggested that we can take the best and skilled, but if you're a pure isolationist, you will believe the best is right here and it's not necessary. I think the right is going to have a hard time keeping the base happy if the base includes deep isolationists.
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I am an isolationist.
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Well then whites need to reproduce more anyway. As long as others are coming in, unless they're remarkably special (which we have a special visa for, not the normal H1B path) it means we could have filled those spots with our own.

You are phony. They shut our applicants out and will not let them have jobs "set aside" for foriegners.
Thats already been made clear, but we all know you are just parrot shilling.
"Ours" just got half of the dr jobs back.....that was supposed to be impressive. half. The rest go to indians, moslums and aisians, no American allowed

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Well then whites need to reproduce more anyway. As long as others are coming in, unless they're remarkably special (which we have a special visa for, not the normal H1B path) it means we could have filled those spots with our own.

You are phony. They shut our applicants out and will not let them have jobs "set aside" for foriegners.
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True.
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(Here is the ultimate dilemma....it would be easier to get rid of the booboos than keep our own nasty people from using them. Lets think on that one)
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Just one big betrayal of a Presidency.
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He is not the one who betrayed us. Turn off the TV.
Look at the last four Presidents, 2 RINOS and 2 Dems., to see real traitors.
The last 105 years of wars for FOREIGN BANKERS were not fought for our "freedom", but to keep us in debt.
dick Traitor n. One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

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I actually have an interesting perspective. I am a Network Engineer for a company which is about 90% immigrant. I don't know what numbers are full citizens or visa's, but I do get to hear a story every day, about their personal history.

There different types of immigrants and based on the many conversations I've had with these very lovely people, you can have a variety of scenarios.

1: Visa holder doesn't much like America, if they hold dual citizenship they may try to have a home in several countries, but it's still taxed in America. Even once they become full citizens there's no law stopping them. They often have to choose rather stay or go, not because American law, but the foreign country has no interest in working with them.

2: Every Visa, or permanent citizen or resident will send a lot of money back to their home country. Many, many thousands. It's just the way it works. America is the land of opportunity, and they won't forget their family.

3: Yes you can bring your family, the US has forms you can fill out and it actually does encourage chain migration if it's immediate family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but its a simple reality.

4: Most of them believe in making America great, again. Although they want to help their family in each respective country, they don't plan on leaving once they're here. And they hate illegal immigration.

Take it for what it is, if you want to close the borders and just only hire Americans and have a natural born American workforce, then go for it. But those for this are actually right. My immigrant co-workers tell me that other countries do not work this way most of the time. Getting a job as a foreigner is extremely hard, and getting citizenship is impossible. As a result, other countries have an ethnically pure workforce and this often sounds attractive to isolationists.
I see now, the right has a clear confliction regarding this.
Isolationists want to hire purely natural born American workers, and not embrace others. Often it's suggested that we can take the best and skilled, but if you're a pure isolationist, you will believe the best is right here and it's not necessary. I think the right is going to have a hard time keeping the base happy if the base includes deep isolationists.
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"isolationist" is just another manipulative, dishonest buzzword. Are the Japanese isolationists? No, they trade with the whole world. Wanting to preserve American society/culture, albeit the degraded/debauched thing it has become, is not isolationism. Old China which closed itself off from the world completely was isolationist.
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Trump's comment may not be unfriendly to us, we'll have to wait and see.

H1-B's used to ASSUME there was a path to citizenship for them, just hang out long enough for an employer to sponsor them for a green card. Now Trump is saying there's only a "potential path". Doesn't sound like it's getting closer for them.

We want to encourage talented people to stay here. But I do think the bar might be quite a bit higher than it is now. We can benefit from a few exceptional people, so give them a path to citizenship. Throw the rest back, to make their own countries great. Make the process very competitive for them against each other and somehow extract the benefit for the public, not for private corporate profit.
 Quoting: oniongrass


I think all we really need now in regards to immigration is brilliant scientists in specific fields, innovators, researchers- genius type/savant type people who can really advance us as a society.
 Quoting: Far Away


People who qualify for O-1 visas. Those are the job creators, the leaders. We have quite a few of that quality homegrown here, some of them even have trouble because of getting underbid by cheap shitters and we don't even develop our own gems-in-the-rough.

We're killing our society this way.

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I actually have an interesting perspective. I am a Network Engineer for a company which is about 90% immigrant. I don't know what numbers are full citizens or visa's, but I do get to hear a story every day, about their personal history.

There different types of immigrants and based on the many conversations I've had with these very lovely people, you can have a variety of scenarios.

1: Visa holder doesn't much like America, if they hold dual citizenship they may try to have a home in several countries, but it's still taxed in America. Even once they become full citizens there's no law stopping them. They often have to choose rather stay or go, not because American law, but the foreign country has no interest in working with them.

2: Every Visa, or permanent citizen or resident will send a lot of money back to their home country. Many, many thousands. It's just the way it works. America is the land of opportunity, and they won't forget their family.

3: Yes you can bring your family, the US has forms you can fill out and it actually does encourage chain migration if it's immediate family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but its a simple reality.

4: Most of them believe in making America great, again. Although they want to help their family in each respective country, they don't plan on leaving once they're here. And they hate illegal immigration.

Take it for what it is, if you want to close the borders and just only hire Americans and have a natural born American workforce, then go for it. But those for this are actually right. My immigrant co-workers tell me that other countries do not work this way most of the time. Getting a job as a foreigner is extremely hard, and getting citizenship is impossible. As a result, other countries have an ethnically pure workforce and this often sounds attractive to isolationists.
I see now, the right has a clear confliction regarding this.
Isolationists want to hire purely natural born American workers, and not embrace others. Often it's suggested that we can take the best and skilled, but if you're a pure isolationist, you will believe the best is right here and it's not necessary. I think the right is going to have a hard time keeping the base happy if the base includes deep isolationists.
 Quoting: TheocracyofGod


"isolationist" is just another manipulative, dishonest buzzword. Are the Japanese isolationists? No, they trade with the whole world. Wanting to preserve American society/culture, albeit the degraded/debauched thing it has become, is not isolationism. Old China which closed itself off from the world completely was isolationist.
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I'm referring to extreme isolationism. There are various degrees of any ideoloy, that doesn't necessarily have to suggest the extreme ideology of any situation. But on the other hand, there are others who support only the extreme of that ideology.

I don't think all isolationists have the same ideological aproach to trade and mmigration, that's why words like extreme, hard, and purists are used to gauge these ideologies.
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Just one big betrayal of a Presidency.
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He is not the one who betrayed us. Turn off the TV.
Look at the last four Presidents, 2 RINOS and 2 Dems., to see real traitors.
The last 105 years of wars for FOREIGN BANKERS were not fought for our "freedom", but to keep us in debt.
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True. My bad for thinking it would actually be different this time around.
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Re: President Trump: "H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming -- including a potential path to citizenship.
I actually have an interesting perspective. I am a Network Engineer for a company which is about 90% immigrant. I don't know what numbers are full citizens or visa's, but I do get to hear a story every day, about their personal history.

There different types of immigrants and based on the many conversations I've had with these very lovely people, you can have a variety of scenarios.

1: Visa holder doesn't much like America, if they hold dual citizenship they may try to have a home in several countries, but it's still taxed in America. Even once they become full citizens there's no law stopping them. They often have to choose rather stay or go, not because American law, but the foreign country has no interest in working with them.

2: Every Visa, or permanent citizen or resident will send a lot of money back to their home country. Many, many thousands. It's just the way it works. America is the land of opportunity, and they won't forget their family.

3: Yes you can bring your family, the US has forms you can fill out and it actually does encourage chain migration if it's immediate family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but its a simple reality.

4: Most of them believe in making America great, again. Although they want to help their family in each respective country, they don't plan on leaving once they're here. And they hate illegal immigration.

Take it for what it is, if you want to close the borders and just only hire Americans and have a natural born American workforce, then go for it. But those for this are actually right. My immigrant co-workers tell me that other countries do not work this way most of the time. Getting a job as a foreigner is extremely hard, and getting citizenship is impossible. As a result, other countries have an ethnically pure workforce and this often sounds attractive to isolationists.
I see now, the right has a clear confliction regarding this.
Isolationists want to hire purely natural born American workers, and not embrace others. Often it's suggested that we can take the best and skilled, but if you're a pure isolationist, you will believe the best is right here and it's not necessary. I think the right is going to have a hard time keeping the base happy if the base includes deep isolationists.
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"isolationist" is just another manipulative, dishonest buzzword. Are the Japanese isolationists? No, they trade with the whole world. Wanting to preserve American society/culture, albeit the degraded/debauched thing it has become, is not isolationism. Old China which closed itself off from the world completely was isolationist.
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Make H1-B nonimmigrant and don't allow employers to sponsor them. But allow them to apply for O-1 visas while they are here.

If they're REALLY good they'll get the O-1 visa. Otherwise back they go.
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Trump's comment may not be unfriendly to us, we'll have to wait and see.

H1-B's used to ASSUME there was a path to citizenship for them, just hang out long enough for an employer to sponsor them for a green card. Now Trump is saying there's only a "potential path". Doesn't sound like it's getting closer for them.

We want to encourage talented people to stay here. But I do think the bar might be quite a bit higher than it is now. We can benefit from a few exceptional people, so give them a path to citizenship. Throw the rest back, to make their own countries great. Make the process very competitive for them against each other and somehow extract the benefit for the public, not for private corporate profit.
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I think all we really need now in regards to immigration is brilliant scientists in specific fields, innovators, researchers- genius type/savant type people who can really advance us as a society.
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People who qualify for O-1 visas. Those are the job creators, the leaders. We have quite a few of that quality homegrown here, some of them even have trouble because of getting underbid by cheap shitters and we don't even develop our own gems-in-the-rough.

We're killing our society this way.
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Yeah. I'm not even thinking job creators. I'm thinking people with the ability to cure cancer or invent/create in a brilliant manner. Of course that would go against the "medical community" and a lot of monopoly corporations who already keep such info suppressed. So, yeah just stop all of it.
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Lol Trump is betraying his supporters lol.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
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Also, if they are a "minority" I bet affirmative action kicks in.
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Lol Trump is betraying his supporters lol.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
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Also, if they are a "minority" I bet affirmative action kicks in.
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Everyone is a minority except Whites- even in states like Texas- where we really aren't a majority anymore.
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Trump's comment may not be unfriendly to us, we'll have to wait and see.

H1-B's used to ASSUME there was a path to citizenship for them, just hang out long enough for an employer to sponsor them for a green card. Now Trump is saying there's only a "potential path". Doesn't sound like it's getting closer for them.

We want to encourage talented people to stay here. But I do think the bar might be quite a bit higher than it is now. We can benefit from a few exceptional people, so give them a path to citizenship. Throw the rest back, to make their own countries great. Make the process very competitive for them against each other and somehow extract the benefit for the public, not for private corporate profit.
 Quoting: oniongrass


I think all we really need now in regards to immigration is brilliant scientists in specific fields, innovators, researchers- genius type/savant type people who can really advance us as a society.
 Quoting: Far Away


People who qualify for O-1 visas. Those are the job creators, the leaders. We have quite a few of that quality homegrown here, some of them even have trouble because of getting underbid by cheap shitters and we don't even develop our own gems-in-the-rough.

We're killing our society this way.
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Yeah. I'm not even thinking job creators. I'm thinking people with the ability to cure cancer or invent/create in a brilliant manner. Of course that would go against the "medical community" and a lot of monopoly corporations who already keep such info suppressed. So, yeah just stop all of it.
 Quoting: Far Away


If they can start up a research lab or company they can qualify for a C5, T5, R5 or I5 visa.

We already have immigration categories for people we really want. I don't mind keeping that going. Even the people who develop apartment buildings and then move into the apartments, supposedly this is a scam but who does it hurt? These people won't be taking jobs but creating jobs here.

Or shut it down for a while if necessary. But I wouldn't turn away foreign money, it's part of what has made America the top country.
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Lol Trump is betraying his supporters lol.
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No he's not. It's called merit based immigration policy. These visa holders work and contribute. They also get chosen for jobs over citizens. Why? Because companies pay them less. Take that shit away and it reopens true competition.
 Quoting: Cosmic Asgard


Also, if they are a "minority" I bet affirmative action kicks in.
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Yes that's true, a foreign H1B "minority" is preferred over an American white or possibly an American Asian. This really should stop.
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True. My bad for thinking it would actually be different this time around.
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They've made over 200 attempts on his family's lives.
That Zionist hag that they have on ice needs to be replaced, along with that worm of a VP.
Military tribunals need no Supreme Court though;)
Any elected official who's a dual-citizen needs to be expelled.
Anything the last 4 Presidents signed should be nullified.
That sounds like another 3 years' work for him right there.

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So instead of posting here why aren't you angry americans doing anything - they are in france...

you just post shit and do nothing . This is what the world sees of the USA today.

Do something.
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Yet when they are said they are gone.
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We did 2 years ago.
France needs to put Macron's head on a stick.
I see that May is still carry hers.

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I think all we really need now in regards to immigration is brilliant scientists in specific fields, innovators, researchers- genius type/savant type people who can really advance us as a society.
 Quoting: Far Away


People who qualify for O-1 visas. Those are the job creators, the leaders. We have quite a few of that quality homegrown here, some of them even have trouble because of getting underbid by cheap shitters and we don't even develop our own gems-in-the-rough.

We're killing our society this way.
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Yeah. I'm not even thinking job creators. I'm thinking people with the ability to cure cancer or invent/create in a brilliant manner. Of course that would go against the "medical community" and a lot of monopoly corporations who already keep such info suppressed. So, yeah just stop all of it.
 Quoting: Far Away


If they can start up a research lab or company they can qualify for a C5, T5, R5 or I5 visa.

We already have immigration categories for people we really want. I don't mind keeping that going. Even the people who develop apartment buildings and then move into the apartments, supposedly this is a scam but who does it hurt? These people won't be taking jobs but creating jobs here.

Or shut it down for a while if necessary. But I wouldn't turn away foreign money, it's part of what has made America the top country.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Well, maybe I am such an "isolationist" that I am impractical, but I don't really want foreigners to own US property, businesses or resources. I definitely want to be a great and prosperous nation- but with all our resources- we should be able to have an abundance of almost everything- including more than enough to barter with parts of the world that have the few things we need that are not in enough abundance here. We are blessed with most resources.
Also, I don't want to continue all this mindless building. Find uses for the land itself. Encourage farming. Kill Monsanto.
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...but I don't really want foreigners to own US property, businesses or resources.
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As long as they own the currency, they care not about the law.
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...but I don't really want foreigners to own US property, businesses or resources.
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As long as they own the currency, they care not about the law.
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Yep, a lot to redo!! I was in a dream that voting could do it, but am pretty much over that.