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A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall.

Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on.

Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall.

“I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.”

The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House.

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Bullcrap. Here is the pussy fear mongering starting. Meadows and others should know DAMN WELL that if a Dem president wants to declare a National Emergency to advance a cause, NOTHING is going to stop him. Obama declared 12 of them I believe. We have many still in force. Absolute fear mongering is what Meadows and others are doing.

This is the one issue that really does qualify for an emergency and they are trying to stop it. I guess they initially thought Trump wouldn't follow through and now they panic like the Dems!

ALIENS DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE TO THIS COUNTRY, ILLEGALLY OR LEGALLY. I think that was recently decided by Supreme Court. This fear mongering about the 2nd amendment is just that. Fear mongering. We do have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and if some gun grabbing President tries to take them with a National Emergency declaration HE WILL BE SHOT DOWN BY SC on that.

Once again, NOTHING is going to stop a Dem president from doing what he wants to do, so take that "but" off the table. This is a crisis with real effects, disastrous effects and needs to be taken care of.

So, when all options are off the table, get it done.
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Maybe we AMERICANS
just should ACCEPT the responsibility of ALL WHO ILLEGALLY INVADE
OUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY
and PROVIDE their EVERY NEED AND WANT
to ALL THE FOREIGN NATIONS
STEET PARASITES and PRISONERS
so MORE and MORE and MORE AND ALL WILL COME.
(successful citizens of foreign countries do not parasite like these fucking mexicans etc. so AMERICA gets the WORTHLESS and most CRIMINALLY INSANE)
BUT
We MUST OBEY and PAY
We are AMERICANS
Democrats know what is BEST FOR US.
AMERICAN (TRUE) CITIZENS must BOW DOWN
WORK and PROVIDE
to all INVADERS
for they are SUPERIOR
Democrats will make SURE
AMERICANS ARE LAST.
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Here is your invasion. Legally. With chain migration.

Thread: Breitbart: TRUMP SHOCK: ‘PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP’ COMING FOR MORE FOREIGNERS
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Yeah, what shit.
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IMHO, the Freedom Caucus issuing this opinion is telling the president that his political strategy is correct and don't blow it with the impatience of going the emergency funding route.

Force the Democrats to change their narrative. Force the Democrats to admit they're wrong. Force the Democrats to fund a border security SYSTEM, which includes a barrier of some kind.
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It does give the Democrats a win, they keep their "morality" and paint Trump as a tyrant.... meanwhile the wall and his legitimate presidential action gets tied up in the circuit course for years by activist judges. Of course, when it finally hits the supreme Court Trump wins, but it could take years to get there.

The Freedom caucus are the best we have in DC at the moment, they always,always, always try to protect the Constitution and the rights of Americans.
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Freedom Caucus? More like Fry dumb caca.

There will be NO FREEDOM if you don't protect your nation accordingly, you really need border security and you need people that just travels around arresting illegals and those that hire illegals (you need very hard punishment for those).
 Quoting: AltSwede


This


Listen to the Swede. All of their women are being stolen by migrants and their culture destroyed, while the Swedish male is demonized and encouraged to act like a little sissy.
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You really should look to Sweden as the canary in the coal mine, that's our role in all this, I see the beginnings of all the shit that happened in Sweden happening in the US.

You will go down the same route if you do not protect your borders, arrest all the illegals, stop people like Soros from doing what they do, any means necessary.
And of course very hard punishment for those that hire illegals, so hard it will make a person think ten times before he even attempts to hire an illegal.

If not you'll go the same way as Sweden, though you guys will probably survive because you got guns, but your nation will in any case be ripped to shreds. From that anything can rise and probably will rise, all sorts of different states. Bad shit all around.

These Freedom cacas are dumb, they don't see what must be done.Don't just critisize the man for attempting solutions, give him a way to build that wall to protect your lands.
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In trying to solve a problem, it may be best to look at the problem by adding another variable. That variable is the military. I'm sure that the military can be used to construct Constantine Wire, where it is needed, and to build it 20 feet high if need be. The cost's would be negligible, since it would be a temporary barrier until a more permanent solution could be implemented....

President Trump should station an additional 10000 troops on the border for building this temporary barrier and for aiding in border security...
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Freedom Caucus? More like Fry dumb caca.

There will be NO FREEDOM if you don't protect your nation accordingly, you really need border security and you need people that just travels around arresting illegals and those that hire illegals (you need very hard punishment for those).
 Quoting: AltSwede


This


Listen to the Swede. All of their women are being stolen by migrants and their culture destroyed, while the Swedish male is demonized and encouraged to act like a little sissy.
 Quoting: Gary Numale


You really should look to Sweden as the canary in the coal mine, that's our role in all this, I see the beginnings of all the shit that happened in Sweden happening in the US.

You will go down the same route if you do not protect your borders, arrest all the illegals, stop people like Soros from doing what they do, any means necessary.
And of course very hard punishment for those that hire illegals, so hard it will make a person think ten times before he even attempts to hire an illegal.

If not you'll go the same way as Sweden, though you guys will probably survive because you got guns, but your nation will in any case be ripped to shreds. From that anything can rise and probably will rise, all sorts of different states. Bad shit all around.

These Freedom cacas are dumb, they don't see what must be done.Don't just critisize the man for attempting solutions, give him a way to build that wall to protect your lands.
 Quoting: AltSwede


In trying to solve a problem, it may be best to look at the problem by adding another variable. That variable is the military. I'm sure that the military can be used to construct Constantine Wire, where it is needed, and to build it 20 feet high if need be. The cost's would be negligible, since it would be a temporary barrier until a more permanent solution could be implemented....

President Trump should station an additional 10000 troops on the border for building this temporary barrier and for aiding in border security...
 Quoting: DuckNCover


12,000 illegals were just dumped in Phoenix by ICE, after the military and concertina wire action already taken.

The Seventh Day Adventist church took them in and donated food clothing and assistance without penalty of the laws they were breaking. Gov. Ducey turned a blind eye.

They were filmed and broadcast by a Patriot Movement in AZ.

Unless the troops can shoot to kill the invaders, it won't do any good to put them on the border. All they do is provide water, food and transportation to fucking ILLEGALS.

The next caravan will be 20,000 somalis. What then?
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The asswipe in DC is probalby inbred for five generations.
Many in NC are. Drop them on the border with some real patriots so the they can get the full effect of the scum
coming into the country, every day, by the tens of thousands.
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So this is a thing:

Thread: Nicholas Rasmussen, who ran the National Counterterrorism Center under Trump: "There is no wave of terrorist operatives waiting to cross"
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Meadows and others should know DAMN WELL that if a Dem president wants to declare a National Emergency to advance a cause, NOTHING is going to stop him. Obama declared 12 of them I believe. We have many still in force. Absolute fear mongering is what Meadows and others are doing.
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That's the reply that needs to be given to Meadows by the president and people like Sarah Sanders.

In the game of political strategy, people of the political right just about always have their arms tied behind their back. That's because unlike people of the left, the right generally has a greater sense of ethics and honesty.

Liberals, by contrast, will sell their own mother to a whore house if that enables them to stroke their leftwing feelings.


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They also said other things

from the article

"while conservatives are uneasy with the prospect of an emergency declaration, many acknowledge they would ultimately line up behind the president if he pulls the trigger — a scenario that is increasingly expected on Capitol Hill as the shutdown barrels into its fourth week."

“I support whatever means it takes to get it done,” the Tennessee Republican told Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs. “We have a crisis at the southern border. It’s time to act.”
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Oh ffs, this is stupid. How many times have you guys put up threads about the multiple national emergencies other presidents have called? And now it's only now a "slippery slope"? That's a weak excuse. I get it now though.... The Dems voted on a wall before, but only because they knew nobody would actually follow through at the time. Now that Trump is (so far) not backing down, they are flipping out like crackheads getting ready to lose a dealer. And the Republicans are starting to jump ship too, apparently.
 Quoting: Just Some Chick


Declaring a national emergency has never been used before to bypass congress just to fund a pet project by a president. So yes, like I said before, it's a "slippery slope".
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Oh ffs, this is stupid. How many times have you guys put up threads about the multiple national emergencies other presidents have called? And now it's only now a "slippery slope"? That's a weak excuse. I get it now though.... The Dems voted on a wall before, but only because they knew nobody would actually follow through at the time. Now that Trump is (so far) not backing down, they are flipping out like crackheads getting ready to lose a dealer.
 Quoting: Just Some Chick


I didn't say it. Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, said it.
 Quoting: Uncle Cleatus


I wonder about Mark Meadows. I trust Louis Gohmert and Jim Jordan more.

Meadows was outright hostile to those two whistleblowers who came to testify about the Clinton Foundation a couple months ago. It was emotional with him. I came away thinking that he would be more comfortable if Clinton was protected.

Why should Trump be the one to stop using national emergencies? Obviously he should not refrain just on principle. It should be a political calculation to do what's most effective. I hope he'll embarrass the Dems a bit more while the Army Corps of Engineers gets everything ready to go, then call the emergency and start work immediately.

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A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall.

Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on.

Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall.

“I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.”

The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House.

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 Quoting: Uncle Cleatus


Bullcrap. Here is the pussy fear mongering starting. Meadows and others should know DAMN WELL that if a Dem president wants to declare a National Emergency to advance a cause, NOTHING is going to stop him. Obama declared 12 of them I believe. We have many still in force. Absolute fear mongering is what Meadows and others are doing.

This is the one issue that really does qualify for an emergency and they are trying to stop it. I guess they initially thought Trump wouldn't follow through and now they panic like the Dems!

ALIENS DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE TO THIS COUNTRY, ILLEGALLY OR LEGALLY. I think that was recently decided by Supreme Court. This fear mongering about the 2nd amendment is just that. Fear mongering. We do have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and if some gun grabbing President tries to take them with a National Emergency declaration HE WILL BE SHOT DOWN BY SC on that.

Once again, NOTHING is going to stop a Dem president from doing what he wants to do, so take that "but" off the table. This is a crisis with real effects, disastrous effects and needs to be taken care of.

So, when all options are off the table, get it done.
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We are losing the country and more broadly, the West in general, because of cowardice. We have to start fighting back and winning big, instead of playing for inches like Repubs do. They're SUCH good losers!

Trump should declare a National Emergency, bring the military to the border, have the Army Corps of Engineers start building the wall, and if any courts raise an issue, IGNORE THEM and say that they don't have any authority in this area. AND THEY DON'T.

Otherwise we are always going to be led through the nose by traitors on the bench. I doubt if Trump's judicial appointments will make any long run difference judging by the two awful choices of Gorsuch & Kavanaugh, both of them RINOs and both of them will side with the libs more than us. Wait and see.
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If Trump would only TAKE bold action instead of listening to these cowards he would be in a much stronger position today. He should have fired Mueller, shut down that "investigation" a couple of years ago and not let it grow roots as it has. It's like Mueller et al have become their own wing of the govt. Trump should have spent the past 2 years with anti-Deep State pics instead of the pointless Never Trumpers or Swamp things he's been hiring, and he should have been on the OFFENSIVE against the Dems, the Left and the Deep State. He wasted 2 years focusing on the economy, which is pointless because the economy can change with anything, what really needed to change was the CORRUPTION in the system and getting rid of these traitors.
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The Democrats will use it either way, so Trump may as well use it. These "Freedom Caucus" types may be financed by the Koch Brothers and other business looking for cheap labor and to keep down US workers wages.
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Freedom Caucus, sounds like something Soros would fund.
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Perhaps if Trump were to eat a little humble crow, he might get his funding.

Border patrol should write a budget of what they need to protect the border. Then Trump should give it to Congress and tell them to dress it up however they need to get it passed. He also needs to change the immigration laws.

It is too important to play political games with. The shutdown is going to have serious affects on the economy if it goes on much longer.
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If The Wall doesn't qualify as a National Emergency issue, I don't know what does.

We're losing half as many Americans a year as we did on average in the Vietnam War just from cruel murders by illegal aliens.

Those asshole politicians better get their heads screwed on straight or they will be known as an enemy to the American People.
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Politico is not exactly a bastion of truth; In fact I doubt the facts as stated by them.
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Oh ffs, this is stupid. How many times have you guys put up threads about the multiple national emergencies other presidents have called? And now it's only now a "slippery slope"? That's a weak excuse. I get it now though.... The Dems voted on a wall before, but only because they knew nobody would actually follow through at the time. Now that Trump is (so far) not backing down, they are flipping out like crackheads getting ready to lose a dealer. And the Republicans are starting to jump ship too, apparently.
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smart chick...thanks for calling them out...

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They should change their name fuck those traitors
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Well they just went down in my estimation.
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A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall.

Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on.

Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall.

“I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.”

The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House.

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A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall.

Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on.

Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall.

“I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.”

The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House.

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They already accuse him of waffling. If he backs off now, he's done. Right or Wrong, he has to stick to it.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

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If The Wall doesn't qualify as a National Emergency issue, I don't know what does.

We're losing half as many Americans a year as we did on average in the Vietnam War just from cruel murders by illegal aliens.

Those asshole politicians better get their heads screwed on straight or they will be known as an enemy to the American People.
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