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Nonfeminazi User ID: 77266281 United States 01/12/2019 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall. Quoting: Uncle Cleatus Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on. Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall. “I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.” The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House. [link to www.politico.com (secure)] Bullcrap. Here is the pussy fear mongering starting. Meadows and others should know DAMN WELL that if a Dem president wants to declare a National Emergency to advance a cause, NOTHING is going to stop him. Obama declared 12 of them I believe. We have many still in force. Absolute fear mongering is what Meadows and others are doing. This is the one issue that really does qualify for an emergency and they are trying to stop it. I guess they initially thought Trump wouldn't follow through and now they panic like the Dems! ALIENS DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE TO THIS COUNTRY, ILLEGALLY OR LEGALLY. I think that was recently decided by Supreme Court. This fear mongering about the 2nd amendment is just that. Fear mongering. We do have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and if some gun grabbing President tries to take them with a National Emergency declaration HE WILL BE SHOT DOWN BY SC on that. Once again, NOTHING is going to stop a Dem president from doing what he wants to do, so take that "but" off the table. This is a crisis with real effects, disastrous effects and needs to be taken care of. So, when all options are off the table, get it done. One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. Plato |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76170368 United States 01/12/2019 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe we AMERICANS Quoting: Buzzcheeze just should ACCEPT the responsibility of ALL WHO ILLEGALLY INVADE OUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY and PROVIDE their EVERY NEED AND WANT to ALL THE FOREIGN NATIONS STEET PARASITES and PRISONERS so MORE and MORE and MORE AND ALL WILL COME. (successful citizens of foreign countries do not parasite like these fucking mexicans etc. so AMERICA gets the WORTHLESS and most CRIMINALLY INSANE) BUT We MUST OBEY and PAY We are AMERICANS Democrats know what is BEST FOR US. AMERICAN (TRUE) CITIZENS must BOW DOWN WORK and PROVIDE to all INVADERS for they are SUPERIOR Democrats will make SURE AMERICANS ARE LAST. Here is your invasion. Legally. With chain migration. Thread: Breitbart: TRUMP SHOCK: ‘PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP’ COMING FOR MORE FOREIGNERS Yeah, what shit. |
krixbuggy User ID: 77229687 United States 01/12/2019 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMHO, the Freedom Caucus issuing this opinion is telling the president that his political strategy is correct and don't blow it with the impatience of going the emergency funding route. Quoting: tkwasny Force the Democrats to change their narrative. Force the Democrats to admit they're wrong. Force the Democrats to fund a border security SYSTEM, which includes a barrier of some kind. It does give the Democrats a win, they keep their "morality" and paint Trump as a tyrant.... meanwhile the wall and his legitimate presidential action gets tied up in the circuit course for years by activist judges. Of course, when it finally hits the supreme Court Trump wins, but it could take years to get there. The Freedom caucus are the best we have in DC at the moment, they always,always, always try to protect the Constitution and the rights of Americans. |
DuckNCover User ID: 3641136 United States 01/12/2019 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freedom Caucus? More like Fry dumb caca. Quoting: AltSwede There will be NO FREEDOM if you don't protect your nation accordingly, you really need border security and you need people that just travels around arresting illegals and those that hire illegals (you need very hard punishment for those). This Listen to the Swede. All of their women are being stolen by migrants and their culture destroyed, while the Swedish male is demonized and encouraged to act like a little sissy. You really should look to Sweden as the canary in the coal mine, that's our role in all this, I see the beginnings of all the shit that happened in Sweden happening in the US. You will go down the same route if you do not protect your borders, arrest all the illegals, stop people like Soros from doing what they do, any means necessary. And of course very hard punishment for those that hire illegals, so hard it will make a person think ten times before he even attempts to hire an illegal. If not you'll go the same way as Sweden, though you guys will probably survive because you got guns, but your nation will in any case be ripped to shreds. From that anything can rise and probably will rise, all sorts of different states. Bad shit all around. These Freedom cacas are dumb, they don't see what must be done.Don't just critisize the man for attempting solutions, give him a way to build that wall to protect your lands. In trying to solve a problem, it may be best to look at the problem by adding another variable. That variable is the military. I'm sure that the military can be used to construct Constantine Wire, where it is needed, and to build it 20 feet high if need be. The cost's would be negligible, since it would be a temporary barrier until a more permanent solution could be implemented.... President Trump should station an additional 10000 troops on the border for building this temporary barrier and for aiding in border security... |
titanbrian User ID: 77094129 United States 01/12/2019 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freedom Caucus? More like Fry dumb caca. Quoting: AltSwede There will be NO FREEDOM if you don't protect your nation accordingly, you really need border security and you need people that just travels around arresting illegals and those that hire illegals (you need very hard punishment for those). This Listen to the Swede. All of their women are being stolen by migrants and their culture destroyed, while the Swedish male is demonized and encouraged to act like a little sissy. You really should look to Sweden as the canary in the coal mine, that's our role in all this, I see the beginnings of all the shit that happened in Sweden happening in the US. You will go down the same route if you do not protect your borders, arrest all the illegals, stop people like Soros from doing what they do, any means necessary. And of course very hard punishment for those that hire illegals, so hard it will make a person think ten times before he even attempts to hire an illegal. If not you'll go the same way as Sweden, though you guys will probably survive because you got guns, but your nation will in any case be ripped to shreds. From that anything can rise and probably will rise, all sorts of different states. Bad shit all around. These Freedom cacas are dumb, they don't see what must be done.Don't just critisize the man for attempting solutions, give him a way to build that wall to protect your lands. In trying to solve a problem, it may be best to look at the problem by adding another variable. That variable is the military. I'm sure that the military can be used to construct Constantine Wire, where it is needed, and to build it 20 feet high if need be. The cost's would be negligible, since it would be a temporary barrier until a more permanent solution could be implemented.... President Trump should station an additional 10000 troops on the border for building this temporary barrier and for aiding in border security... 12,000 illegals were just dumped in Phoenix by ICE, after the military and concertina wire action already taken. The Seventh Day Adventist church took them in and donated food clothing and assistance without penalty of the laws they were breaking. Gov. Ducey turned a blind eye. They were filmed and broadcast by a Patriot Movement in AZ. Unless the troops can shoot to kill the invaders, it won't do any good to put them on the border. All they do is provide water, food and transportation to fucking ILLEGALS. The next caravan will be 20,000 somalis. What then? |
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CSnow User ID: 74827762 United States 01/12/2019 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meadows and others should know DAMN WELL that if a Dem president wants to declare a National Emergency to advance a cause, NOTHING is going to stop him. Obama declared 12 of them I believe. We have many still in force. Absolute fear mongering is what Meadows and others are doing. Quoting: Nonfeminazi That's the reply that needs to be given to Meadows by the president and people like Sarah Sanders. In the game of political strategy, people of the political right just about always have their arms tied behind their back. That's because unlike people of the left, the right generally has a greater sense of ethics and honesty. Liberals, by contrast, will sell their own mother to a whore house if that enables them to stroke their leftwing feelings. . |
C.K. Dexter Haven User ID: 77047820 Netherlands 01/12/2019 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They also said other things from the article "while conservatives are uneasy with the prospect of an emergency declaration, many acknowledge they would ultimately line up behind the president if he pulls the trigger — a scenario that is increasingly expected on Capitol Hill as the shutdown barrels into its fourth week." “I support whatever means it takes to get it done,” the Tennessee Republican told Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs. “We have a crisis at the southern border. It’s time to act.” |
NDFarm User ID: 76923699 United States 01/12/2019 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh ffs, this is stupid. How many times have you guys put up threads about the multiple national emergencies other presidents have called? And now it's only now a "slippery slope"? That's a weak excuse. I get it now though.... The Dems voted on a wall before, but only because they knew nobody would actually follow through at the time. Now that Trump is (so far) not backing down, they are flipping out like crackheads getting ready to lose a dealer. And the Republicans are starting to jump ship too, apparently. Quoting: Just Some Chick Declaring a national emergency has never been used before to bypass congress just to fund a pet project by a president. So yes, like I said before, it's a "slippery slope". |
oniongrass User ID: 77265497 United States 01/12/2019 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh ffs, this is stupid. How many times have you guys put up threads about the multiple national emergencies other presidents have called? And now it's only now a "slippery slope"? That's a weak excuse. I get it now though.... The Dems voted on a wall before, but only because they knew nobody would actually follow through at the time. Now that Trump is (so far) not backing down, they are flipping out like crackheads getting ready to lose a dealer. Quoting: Just Some Chick I didn't say it. Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, said it. I wonder about Mark Meadows. I trust Louis Gohmert and Jim Jordan more. Meadows was outright hostile to those two whistleblowers who came to testify about the Clinton Foundation a couple months ago. It was emotional with him. I came away thinking that he would be more comfortable if Clinton was protected. Why should Trump be the one to stop using national emergencies? Obviously he should not refrain just on principle. It should be a political calculation to do what's most effective. I hope he'll embarrass the Dems a bit more while the Army Corps of Engineers gets everything ready to go, then call the emergency and start work immediately. Last Edited by oniongrass on 01/12/2019 11:44 AM . DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX! ____________ There is no anger in Me: If one offers Me thorns and thistles, I will march to battle against him, And set all of them on fire. But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5) |
Vicious Deplorable dollop You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 10523453 United States 01/12/2019 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall. Quoting: Uncle Cleatus Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on. Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall. “I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.” The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House. [link to www.politico.com (secure)] Bullcrap. Here is the pussy fear mongering starting. Meadows and others should know DAMN WELL that if a Dem president wants to declare a National Emergency to advance a cause, NOTHING is going to stop him. Obama declared 12 of them I believe. We have many still in force. Absolute fear mongering is what Meadows and others are doing. This is the one issue that really does qualify for an emergency and they are trying to stop it. I guess they initially thought Trump wouldn't follow through and now they panic like the Dems! ALIENS DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE TO THIS COUNTRY, ILLEGALLY OR LEGALLY. I think that was recently decided by Supreme Court. This fear mongering about the 2nd amendment is just that. Fear mongering. We do have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and if some gun grabbing President tries to take them with a National Emergency declaration HE WILL BE SHOT DOWN BY SC on that. Once again, NOTHING is going to stop a Dem president from doing what he wants to do, so take that "but" off the table. This is a crisis with real effects, disastrous effects and needs to be taken care of. So, when all options are off the table, get it done. Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
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Spinach Pie User ID: 73724632 United States 01/12/2019 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are losing the country and more broadly, the West in general, because of cowardice. We have to start fighting back and winning big, instead of playing for inches like Repubs do. They're SUCH good losers! Trump should declare a National Emergency, bring the military to the border, have the Army Corps of Engineers start building the wall, and if any courts raise an issue, IGNORE THEM and say that they don't have any authority in this area. AND THEY DON'T. Otherwise we are always going to be led through the nose by traitors on the bench. I doubt if Trump's judicial appointments will make any long run difference judging by the two awful choices of Gorsuch & Kavanaugh, both of them RINOs and both of them will side with the libs more than us. Wait and see. |
Spinach Pie User ID: 73724632 United States 01/12/2019 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Trump would only TAKE bold action instead of listening to these cowards he would be in a much stronger position today. He should have fired Mueller, shut down that "investigation" a couple of years ago and not let it grow roots as it has. It's like Mueller et al have become their own wing of the govt. Trump should have spent the past 2 years with anti-Deep State pics instead of the pointless Never Trumpers or Swamp things he's been hiring, and he should have been on the OFFENSIVE against the Dems, the Left and the Deep State. He wasted 2 years focusing on the economy, which is pointless because the economy can change with anything, what really needed to change was the CORRUPTION in the system and getting rid of these traitors. |
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LiteaFart User ID: 77021644 United States 01/12/2019 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If The Wall doesn't qualify as a National Emergency issue, I don't know what does. Quoting: Vicious Deplorable dollop We're losing half as many Americans a year as we did on average in the Vietnam War just from cruel murders by illegal aliens. Those asshole politicians better get their heads screwed on straight or they will be known as an enemy to the American People. Your walll is the next democratic president’s single payer health care. |
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GT Big hair User ID: 77047161 United States 01/12/2019 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh ffs, this is stupid. How many times have you guys put up threads about the multiple national emergencies other presidents have called? And now it's only now a "slippery slope"? That's a weak excuse. I get it now though.... The Dems voted on a wall before, but only because they knew nobody would actually follow through at the time. Now that Trump is (so far) not backing down, they are flipping out like crackheads getting ready to lose a dealer. And the Republicans are starting to jump ship too, apparently. Quoting: Just Some Chick smart chick...thanks for calling them out... GT Big hair...yep and Amen. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71306317 United States 01/12/2019 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall. Quoting: Uncle Cleatus Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on. Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall. “I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.” The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House. [link to www.politico.com (secure)] And they are right in this case. |
Pilgrim001 User ID: 77021014 United States 01/12/2019 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A core group of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus is urging President Donald Trump against the explosive step of declaring a national emergency to build his wall. Quoting: Uncle Cleatus Multiple Republicans in the conservative group have privately raised their concerns with the Trump administration, fearing it would lead to a years-long legal standoff that Democrats could win while setting a dangerous precedent for the presidency, according to more than a dozen lawmakers and GOP aides. They want Trump to hold out for a deal with Democrats, regardless of how long the partial government shutdown drags on. Trump’s possible pursuit of an emergency declaration on the border divided the caucus during an animated meeting Wednesday night, according to lawmakers who attended the meeting. Members wrestled with constitutional concerns. GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan was reportedly particularly outspoken. Searching for an alternative, the group kicked around other, more legally sound ways for Trump to raise revenue for the wall. “I do see the potential for national emergencies being used for every single thing that we face in the future where we can’t reach an agreement. That’s the slippery slope that I’m concerned about,” Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a top Trump ally, told POLITICO on Thursday. “The administration is well aware of the ability to use national emergency [powers] and the reluctance to do so from House members.” The president’s approach is putting House conservatives — who spent years railing against President Barack Obama for alleged executive overreach, particularly on immigration — in a serious bind. It’s also one of conservatives’ first battles in their new minority, where the once-powerful House Freedom Caucus now hold far less leverage in the House. [link to www.politico.com (secure)] They already accuse him of waffling. If he backs off now, he's done. Right or Wrong, he has to stick to it. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Not in my mind User ID: 50874131 United States 01/12/2019 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If The Wall doesn't qualify as a National Emergency issue, I don't know what does. Quoting: Vicious Deplorable dollop We're losing half as many Americans a year as we did on average in the Vietnam War just from cruel murders by illegal aliens. Those asshole politicians better get their heads screwed on straight or they will be known as an enemy to the American People. Will |