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The world was told the 12 Thai cave boys would swim to freedom but that was a LIE to soothe their parents - as a new book reveals how they were drugged and handcuffed before they were rescued

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To calm nerves, the parents were told the boys were being taught how to dive and the media reported that each of them would be tethered to an air hose and then swim out with one rescue diver in front and another behind. This was untrue.

Those who’d been inside the flooded tunnels knew there was no way a child who had never dived before could make it through the muddy and treacherous obstacle course. The only hope was to sedate them, put oxygen-fed masks with silicone seals over their faces and let the expert cave divers carry them out.

But it was crucial that the masks fitted tightly, otherwise they might drown, and there was an issue with size. Dozens of full-face masks were procured, but most were for adults. Only four were suitable for children, and there were doubts that even these would do for the smallest boys.

As for sedating them, that would need specialists, and a call went out to two vastly experienced Australian cave divers, Dr Richard Harris, an anaesthetist known by all as Dr Harry, and his friend and dive partner Craig Challen, a retired vet. Dr Harry, who ran a course teaching emergency service workers how to dive, would take on the highly delicate task of putting the boys to sleep, while, with his clinical expertise, Challen would be able to check on them as they were dived out.

As they flew in, both men were acutely aware of the mammoth risks involved and asked the Thai government for diplomatic immunity. There was a real possibility that some — possibly all — the boys would die, and understandably they did not want to be blamed.
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Exactly the scenario I worked out to save their lives.
They HAD to be drugged unconscious, they HAD to be fed Oxygen non-stop, and they HAD to prevented from any random movement.
My theory was to tightly wrap them in cling film type material, tight enough (mummy style)
to prevent struggling, and flexible enough to bend around the corners of the tunnels.

Worked perfectly, the kids lived.

END OF STORY

Stay well.
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It's the request for diplomatic immunity by the doctors that caught my eye.
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It's the request for diplomatic immunity by the doctors that caught my eye.
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That's because you aren't one.

The optics on that, necessary or not, are bad enough where dumb mob % is concerned. Not to mention the 200 opportunistic lawsuits now/later lawsuits and claims that keep you tied up in thai bullsheet 20 years or un grandstanding, whatever?

Nothing can fk your life up on you like helping some bunch, unless that bunch is govt and its even worse.

Anybody would do that and just be hoping they get out alive.
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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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Yep. I had a suspicion that the "coach" was a pedo.
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Thanks for the pin.
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Yep. I had a suspicion that the "coach" was a pedo.
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See right there?

"You sedated a minor, who was then abused.." True or not? Even asking the question and investigating the matter can make years of useless crap all these other people live by doing. Let alone if one of the little things had died or gotten brain damage/coma period, whatever - but just even openly honestly asking the question and answering that is some gordian knot of stupid others can waste thier time with.

If you are going to have to face a state medical review or federal judge over a job or judgement call where injury/death ensued, you sure wouldn't want it to be in thailand!

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"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind"

Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line.
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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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Yeah not really and it was because those guys said it would not work that they chose the alternate plan. They did not want to develop on his and time seemed obvious enough....but he made that crack....and never really said "why?"....and I don't doubt it.

But I doubt either dr knew up front they were doping boys for a booger, could see the obvious circumstances and it was the whole gov and everybody involved, not them really doing much of the directing/authorising of anything.
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Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line.
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Yep. I had a suspicion that the "coach" was a pedo.
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See right there?

"You sedated a minor, who was then abused.." True or not? Even asking the question and investigating the matter can make years of useless crap all these other people live by doing. Let alone if one of the little things had died or gotten brain damage/coma period, whatever - but just even openly honestly asking the question and answering that is some gordian knot of stupid others can waste thier time with.

If you are going to have to face a state medical review or federal judge over a job or judgement call where injury/death ensued, you sure wouldn't want it to be in thailand!
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Really. Why was a man with a bunch of boys deep in a cave to begin with. People will go to great lengths to hide their activity. No witnesses deep inside that cave!!!

But again the MSM makes a "heroic" story out of the whole thing without delivering the truth.

The truth is in the hands of the First Responders and Judicial System.
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Remember the bit about the Thai Water Authority President and a few of his staff headed into the caves without telling the official rescue party? They took pumping equipment and enough food and supplies to last several weeks.

In there for several days and no alarm was raised to say they were missing. Their presence was only discovered after they got trapped and the official rescue party found them inside the cave.

Weird.
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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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That is exactly what I was thinking as I read this, why couldn't they just ride a tiny submarine
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It's the request for diplomatic immunity by the doctors that caught my eye.
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Not at all. That was the smartest thing they could ever do.

If anything goes wrong...the government never takes the blame. They'll blame the foreigners.

Of course...they had to fly in dozens of white guys to save those kids. From U.K., Aus and USA. They had no one locally that could do it
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It's the request for diplomatic immunity by the doctors that caught my eye.
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Not at all. That was the smartest thing they could ever do.

If anything goes wrong...the government never takes the blame. They'll blame the foreigners.

Of course...they had to fly in dozens of white guys to save those kids. From U.K., Aus and USA. They had no one locally that could do it
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I said it caught my eye. I didn’t say it was strange, nefarious or that I had a problem with it.

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The world was told the 12 Thai cave boys would swim to freedom but that was a LIE to soothe their parents - as a new book reveals how they were drugged and handcuffed before they were rescued

...

To calm nerves, the parents were told the boys were being taught how to dive and the media reported that each of them would be tethered to an air hose and then swim out with one rescue diver in front and another behind. This was untrue.

Those who’d been inside the flooded tunnels knew there was no way a child who had never dived before could make it through the muddy and treacherous obstacle course. The only hope was to sedate them, put oxygen-fed masks with silicone seals over their faces and let the expert cave divers carry them out.

But it was crucial that the masks fitted tightly, otherwise they might drown, and there was an issue with size. Dozens of full-face masks were procured, but most were for adults. Only four were suitable for children, and there were doubts that even these would do for the smallest boys.

As for sedating them, that would need specialists, and a call went out to two vastly experienced Australian cave divers, Dr Richard Harris, an anaesthetist known by all as Dr Harry, and his friend and dive partner Craig Challen, a retired vet. Dr Harry, who ran a course teaching emergency service workers how to dive, would take on the highly delicate task of putting the boys to sleep, while, with his clinical expertise, Challen would be able to check on them as they were dived out.

As they flew in, both men were acutely aware of the mammoth risks involved and asked the Thai government for diplomatic immunity. There was a real possibility that some — possibly all — the boys would die, and understandably they did not want to be blamed.

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and the crime is?

the boys are lucky to be alive period.
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and the crime is?

the boys are lucky to be alive period.
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It's the request for diplomatic immunity by the doctors that caught my eye.
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Not at all. That was the smartest thing they could ever do.

If anything goes wrong...the government never takes the blame. They'll blame the foreigners.

Of course...they had to fly in dozens of white guys to save those kids. From U.K., Aus and USA. They had no one locally that could do it
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I said it caught my eye. I didn’t say it was strange, nefarious or that I had a problem with it.
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Putin-thiss

Did I say there was a crime? Am I suggesting there was actual wrongdoing? Nope.

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Yep. I had a suspicion that the "coach" was a pedo.
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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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Yep! All the cave diving experts at the rescue advised the Thai government that the flexible submarines would not work.

The kids were happy to be drugged and handcuffed and it saved their lives. Their parents could not be told because they might have objected and forced the government not to sedate the boys. The divers knew that this would risk the rescue to the point that some of the boys would die. So their parents could not be told.
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the case is connected to human trafficking. without the flooding, we would have never heard of them.
call it a divine intervention. but the coach is not innocent guy. now they made it into a cash cow ritual. don't buy the book.

note: why 12? 12=L. No soccer team only has 12 players.

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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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That is exactly what I was thinking as I read this, why couldn't they just ride a tiny submarine
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Exactly the scenario I worked out to save their lives.
They HAD to be drugged unconscious, they HAD to be fed Oxygen non-stop, and they HAD to prevented from any random movement.
My theory was to tightly wrap them in cling film type material, tight enough (mummy style)
to prevent struggling, and flexible enough to bend around the corners of the tunnels.

Worked perfectly, the kids lived.

END OF STORY

Stay well.
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This ^

It was the only way to retrieve them. Sedated and secure, not ssure why the parents are so upset, all of their children SSURVIVED unharmed. It was a risky procedure but well worth iit.
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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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That is exactly what I was thinking as I read this, why couldn't they just ride a tiny submarine
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it is heavy and you have to get it in there for one..

also the area was shaped like a serpentine shape on the horizontal.. picture it... areas where there was water and breaks or openings.. that is why they used divers because no water craft of any kind could go straight through.
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Never thought about it much but now that it comes out, it makes total sense. If they had been conscious they would have had to deal with their panic & claustrophobia. Of course now dozens of people will be coming out saying "I told you that's what they were going to do...." yet I don't recall hearing anyone say "the kids need to be sedated". LOL.
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Exactly the scenario I worked out to save their lives.
They HAD to be drugged unconscious, they HAD to be fed Oxygen non-stop, and they HAD to prevented from any random movement.
My theory was to tightly wrap them in cling film type material, tight enough (mummy style)
to prevent struggling, and flexible enough to bend around the corners of the tunnels.

Worked perfectly, the kids lived.

END OF STORY

Stay well.
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as a diver i got to laugh at the Oxygen comment in your thread lol
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Exactly the scenario I worked out to save their lives.
They HAD to be drugged unconscious, they HAD to be fed Oxygen non-stop, and they HAD to prevented from any random movement.
My theory was to tightly wrap them in cling film type material, tight enough (mummy style)
to prevent struggling, and flexible enough to bend around the corners of the tunnels.

Worked perfectly, the kids lived.

END OF STORY

Stay well.
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as a diver i got to laugh at the Oxygen comment in your thread lol
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As an experienced rescue diver of over 25 years, you can use pure oxygen underwater - depends on depth and partial pressures. But yes I think they were referring to normal air tanks with a forced flow full face mask.

Although not being sure about depth or what drugs they used on them - It could of been pure O2.
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Good. As a low-skilled diver myself, I know cave diving is very hard. Teach the kids to do it over a few days? No way, they would panic, forget things, get themselves and maybe the rescuers killed.
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Exactly the scenario I worked out to save their lives.
They HAD to be drugged unconscious, they HAD to be fed Oxygen non-stop, and they HAD to prevented from any random movement.
My theory was to tightly wrap them in cling film type material, tight enough (mummy style)
to prevent struggling, and flexible enough to bend around the corners of the tunnels.

Worked perfectly, the kids lived.

END OF STORY

Stay well.
 Quoting: Ellenjay


as a diver i got to laugh at the Oxygen comment in your thread lol
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As an experienced rescue diver of over 25 years, you can use pure oxygen underwater - depends on depth and partial pressures. But yes I think they were referring to normal air tanks with a forced flow full face mask.

Although not being sure about depth or what drugs they used on them - It could of been pure O2.
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O2 would have been OK, but so would regular air, or nitrox or trimix. The pressure at almost zero depth would not cause any risk of oxygen toxicity.
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It doesn't bother me HOW they got them out. It's how they felt they needed to LIE to the parents about it. It shows how far this world has turned into a snowflake ridden pansy party.

You need to knock my kid out or they'll die? Knock away. At least they have a chance that way.
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remember when ELON MUSK called him Pedo guy??? I do... and he was right.
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Was Elon's brainstorming for personal submarines really such a lousy idea?
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Yes, his personal submarines wouldn't go round the bends in the caves.
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