Once saved always saved, even if backsliding into a life of sin? A classic case of confusion self contradiction.

"Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene came and brought the news to the disciples: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them what he had said to her." jo20:17

1 John 2:19. According to your interpretation of the text if a saved person can get lost again then they can never be saved again seeing that there remains no sacrifice for their sin unless Jesus were to come and suffer the cross again. I believe Psalm 37:23-24

No one has achieved saved status, it isn't a matter of accepting Jesus that's just the beginning, it requires being accepted by him as qualified disciples not just cliche believers. if an approved disciple stumbles back into serious sin and disqualifies himself, he can become reapproved if genuinely repentant.
"In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves." 1Cor5;9
Another verse later in Corinthians explains reinstating a disfellowshiped person, which I can't find.

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Yes certainly, God is a God of love. He would never hold it against a person if they did not know what they were doing. He has bent over backwards to get us to know Him. He is trying to get us into heaven not cast us away.
Read John 9 look at the last 2 versus.

If God intended man to be spirit creatures in heaven he would have created them that way to begin with, that's what angels are. a "little flock" of 144,000 are invited to serve in heaven as assistant kings with Jesus to assist resurrecting the dead to make global Eden as originally intended during the 1,000 year reign.

If you sin "Willfully" against the Holy Spirit, what sacrifice is left?
As in the New Testament times, if one had sinned liked this, the Apostles gave his body over to Satan to be consumed.
His Spirit would lose it's reward, but he would still gain Eternal Life, without being cherished.
He would become the least among the Sons of God.

Willfully sinning against the holy spirit, as opposed to the daily battle against the 'fallen flesh', is rewarded with eternal life? What 'spirit' are you talking about?

I always laughed at once saved always saved...until it was properly explained.

If you are ever to be saved you always were saved. Either you are God's or you never were. Sure, you have free will, but the seed that is in you will bare fruit according to its kind.

This has nothing to do with baptism. This is about what you are. If you are God's you are saved.

Listening to a JW talk about doctrine? Talk about the blind leading the blind.

Repent and believe the Gospel OP. You will die in your sins unless you do. Amen.

"While they were listening to these things, he told another illustration, because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly. 12 So he said: “A man of noble birth traveled to a distant land to secure kingly power for himself and to return. 13 Calling ten of his slaves, he gave them ten miʹnas and told them, ‘Do business with these until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent out a body of ambassadors after him to say, ‘We do not want this man to become king over us.’
15 “When he eventually got back after having secured the kingly power, he summoned the slaves to whom he had given the money, in order to ascertain what they had gained by their business activity. 16 So the first one came forward and said, ‘Lord, your miʹna gained ten miʹnas.’ 17 He said to him, ‘Well done, good slave! Because in a very small matter you have proved yourself faithful, hold authority over ten cities.’ 18 Now the second came, saying, ‘Your miʹna, Lord, made five miʹnas.’ 19 He said to this one as well, ‘You too be in charge of five cities.’ 20 But another one came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your miʹna that I kept hidden away in a cloth. 21 You see, I was in fear of you, because you are a harsh man; you take what you did not deposit, and you reap what you did not sow.’ 22 He said to him, ‘By your own words I judge you, wicked slave. You knew, did you, that I am a harsh man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 So why did you not put my money in a bank? Then on my coming, I would have collected it with interest.’
24 “With that he said to those standing by, ‘Take the miʹna from him and give it to the one who has the ten miʹnas.’ 25 But they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten miʹnas!’— 26 ‘I say to you, to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 27 Moreover, bring these enemies of mine here who did not want me to become king over them and execute them in front of me.’” Lk19:11

....and?

The lake of fire will be your place of torment forever. You are antichrist when you deny that Christ has come in the flesh! You WILLINGLY deny the deity of Yeshua.

You worship a "different" Jesus which is a false one that leads to hell. The true and living God, Jesus the Messiah, warned me of people like you.



"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:11

JW's have literally changed the word of God to support their docrine of demons! You are cursed the Bible says! When you change the word of God or take away from it, you are under a curse!

You are a hell doomed sinner and you will be there forever unless you repent and trust in the real Jesus. He is God in the flesh. He loves you. Amen.

What's with the babbling religious cliches, that's sooo old school, present some useful spiritual content.

The way to earn eternal life is to "Love your neighbour as yourself."

That is the central message of the Torah which Jesus proclaimed and fulfilled. Even if you think do not know Jesus, if you live with love you know Him.

All the virtue signalling and rituals are meaningless without this. I take communion every chance I get, as a way of experiencing Christ, but agape love is the key.

My $0.02

First, everyone should realize it's a personal decision.

It matters not what others think about it. It only matters to your being.

Also, it says," Free Gift" from God the Father for a reason.

If salvation has 'works' attached to it...it changes it completely.

Then, pride in man would corrupt that decision. Thinking in terms of an obtained goal that makes his stature above others.

It is obtainable "to all whom ask for it" without anything attached to it's acceptance which YOU have already agreed to it before you even asked...that's why you asked.

See that?

Whatever you are talking, or directing people to think, doesn't make any sense.

The point: If people choose to freely accept it, then they want the change that comes with it. That will happen because you professed to others whom usually instruct you on how to be a 'saved' person.

Some people take a long time to come around to realizing their life is changing and some 'fight' it. But, I've seen after years peoples hearts change.

BUT----I've also seen people turn evil too. Sometimes, I was realizing this today, some people...just can't be saved. They are inherently evil and don't do enough to flee from it because that's all they know.

But that's why we have to "let God judge" because...whom are we to judge? We should just encourage, support and be there for anyone that needs us and Christianity.

I ministered to someone at work today. It happens.

That's all He wants from us really. A personal relationship with Him. Church is more of a support group but some are not what they are supposed to be. They have people like Pharisee's. They like public displays of affection and others to see them worship His name...but, that is not what He really wants.

Questions are ok-they are part of seeking the Lord.

Jerimiah 29:

12Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. 14And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

Faith in Christ means turning away from sin. It does not mean you are no longer a sinner. It's impossible to not sin. Only Jesus Christ was able to live a life free of sin.

The Church (bridegroom) are the people who believe in Christ and turn away from sin.

Fear of God is to reject sin and begin the healing process from it. Once you are saved, you are born again, You are SEALED by the Holy Spirit. You are forever God's. It's his promise to his church (his people) that they are forever his.

I wouldn't assume that people GROWING in GOD that are trying their hardest to help people that also need to be saved to never go through the hardest trials. Sometimes, they fail (and sin).

Growth with God, is a life long choice. The Seal of the Holy Spirit means you are forever his. The church are his people that have the Seal of God (Holy Spirit), that are redeemed with his promise need not live in fear.

Faith in Christ (forgiveness of sin), The Holy Spirit (which is the church and are called to preach/live/work for God), and the Father (Yahweh) are the church.

Growth in God does not mean you can live a life without sin. You can try, but the harder you try, the more of God's work you will try to do (when was the last time you talked to a murderer and got to know them to show them grace of God?)

Faith in Christ is who died for our sins is the only requirement to being saved. Not works.

Christians have trials (as so did the apostles) and worries about all the church (as did the apostles).

I personally, have talked to a murderer recently, and got to know them personally. It was a trial. I sinned. God's promises are a promise from God. They are not ever taken away.

Encouraging scriptures regarding qualified disciples but 'believers' face a different destiny;

"And he traveled from city to city and from village to village, teaching and continuing on his journey to Jerusalem. 23 Now a man said to him: “Lord, are those being saved few?” He said to them: 24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. 25 ;When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to you: ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’ 27 But he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness!’ 28 There is where your weeping and the gnashing of your teeth will be" Lk13:23

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"One of the scribes who had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first of all?” 29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these." Mr12:28

No one reaches saved status?
I am saved from the power of sin’s penalty - salvation.
I am being saved from the power of sins influence - sanctification
I will be saved from the power of sins presence - glorification

Like Christ who was, who is, and who will be; I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved.

Salvation from sins penalty is acquired when you believe.
Sanctification comes as you learn of Christ and follow Him.
Glorification will occur the instant Christ returns for His people.

Sanctification and glorification are the byproducts of Salvation. They are part and parcel of being saved but they do not save you. You are saved by grace through faith it is the gift of God and that not of yourselves. Not of works lest any man should boast.

Sanctification- Every man that Has this hope within himself purifies himself even as he is pure.

Those prevailing over Satan's recruiting campaign when he's released at the end of the 1,000 years will then be declared saved by Christ, not themselves, not until the final test.

" Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." rv20:7

"Salvation from sins penalty is acquired when you believe."
It's not that simple that's only a start;
"Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless?" Ja2:18

Our faith being justified in the sight of men is quite different than being justified in the sight of God. By the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Theyaccording to the context primarily means believers who want it their own way, which is why so many religious varieties are marketed by clergymen, professional everlasting life insurance agents selling whatever the market is buying.
"And who is adequately qualified for these things? 17 We are, for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are, but we speak in all sincerity as sent from God, yes, in the sight of God and in company with Christ." 2cor2;16

There are different levels in heaven

Different crowns, rewards

So, yes you will go to heaven but it will be the lowest level of heaven, which is way better then earth

You will then spend many years there until you advance to the next level

Then spend time there and so forth

This is a sacred secret the holy spirit shared with you exclusively?