Hey Atheists, this will F@CK you up!

BULLSHIT!!!

What intelligence insulting garbage.

One cosmological theory is that the universe, expands, collapses then repeats the cycle forever - no-one needed for that.

And who says that it needs a "big-banger"? Sub-atomic particles have been found to defy the basic cause and effect concept and just spontaneously do things.

So, your posting is raw horse manure, and an insult to anyone with any intellect and a slap in the face for actual thinking Christians.

Guy down the chip shop says he's Elvis.

I guess if I don't go down and have it out with him then, it must make it true.

What mindnumbing utter bunky claptrap rubbish.

Do you have even half a brain, Sonny?

And this 'uncreated Creator' creates everything out of what exactly? With what substance?

A. Nothing
B. Itself

Clearly you can't answer A.

The only viable option is B.

Which means the truth is that you, as a 'separate being', do not actually exist (as a separate being).

This also means that the notion of a 'Creator god' separate from you is also an illusion, and does not exist... That there are no personified, separate 'deities' - not from any culture or religion.

That existence is all just ONE being (ONE energy) experiencing itself from different vantage points and creating the illusion of separate beings (separateness) while doing so.

Therefore your O.T. almighty book character 'god' that commands rapists to marry their rape victims and never divorce them and commands women to be executed (stoned to death) for various non-violent offenses - does not exist (human creation)....

"CHECK MATE"?

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You should not have introduced religion into the discussion. But judging from your numerous replies tooting our own horn - it sounds like you were more interested in trying to make yourself feel high & mighty than you were in promoting a meaningful discussion...

Atheist - Fundamentalist disputes are so, so, so dumb.

It is fundamentalists, pretentiously using 10th Century logic against smart Alec atheists using 19th century logic...

...Neither of which stand up to anyone who knows anything about logic, reasoning, facts, or actual science.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that a person is not an atheist if they believe in something that had no beginning?

I'm pretty sure the Big bang is not supposed to be the beginning of all existence. At best, it's the beginning of our space-time continuum, which resulted from the expansion of a singularity that was (according to some) infinitely dense and timeless.

Let's say that there was an eternal, spaceless, timeless singularity that existed before our universe; does that mean it's intelligent? You could believe in this singularity, but that doesn't mean you believe in Yahweh, the garden of Eden, Noah's flood, the Exodus or Jesus. You don't have to believe in an afterlife, or that the singularity is aware of us and answers our prayers.

In that respect, the belief is pretty different to theism, and especially different to Christianity.

After discovering that electricity and magnetism are both expressions of the same force, physicists have tried to unite the 4 fundamental forces of nature into a single unified force, from which the whole universe emerged. Maybe this force was never created, but if it's not intelligent, I'm not sure I'd call it God. I certainly wouldn't call it the god of the Bible.

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Well said.

You need to prove these premises before you can base any conclusions on them.




This is incorrect.
The discovery that the Earth is spherical preceded the Scientific Method by nearly 2,000 years.


Also incorrect.
There was never a science of witchery, only superstitions.


No, there was a conflict with the conclusion from geologists (at least hundreds of millions of years) and what physicists thought possible (at most several millions).
Then the physicists discovered a new and unexpected source of energy: radio-activity.
One must be very careful in proclaiming something to be impossible.

During the last 400 years the Scientific Method has revealed more verifiable reliable truths about reality than all the shamans, prophets, and theologians combined ever.
Science actually works.
Which doesn't mean we know everything yet, space-time is vast, and we can only ever observe a tiny fragment of it.
It might very well still be wearing baby-shoes, and it might take centuries, if not longer, to resolve these questions.

Meanwhile the propper answer would be "We don't know."
Drawing conclusions from ignorance is non-productive, and are almost guaranteed to be wrong.

Totally disagree with the majority of what you said. You are being terribly pedantic. Treat what I said as metaphors, if it helps. My point was that science changes with new discoveries. This is very well accepted as being the norm. Science, from the Latin "scientia", means "knowledge". To the best of their then knowledge (scientia), they justified the burning of witches. All petty and useless nitpicking though, I want to hear people's opinions on whether time is eternal, or there was a moment of creation.



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You religitards are the most intolerant hypocrites on the planet. That goes for all religions.

I'm an atheist and my Mind is blown. Wow. Christians are awesome ,now I regret pissing under my neighbours Christmas tree.

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do you want 2 suk jesus' dik?

Yes.

It is.

Big bang cosmology is already dead.
The atheists just don't have anything plausible to replace it with so they keep hanging on to something they know is bs.

Just like they keep hanging on to their faked fossils, their fake "man-apes"/missing links and so on.

They're liars and con men.

Creationist logic:

Bacteria is too complex to have arrived without an intelligent designer.

And...

God is an all-powerful, all knowing being, far more complex than any life on earth or the universe itself, that exists without a designer.

Actually part of the whole of it, was not just the Universe, it the creators Universe, that the difference. We, mankind were created by the creator in his imagine not problems so far, except some men's imaginations were evil from the beings. It OK, they can be cured of that part.

There is the Heavenly host too, and that just something else. He created everything, and who in the heck believes the our bubbles are the full of creation? This way of making thing, his time, are not as ours, his is eternal and our was put on us later, than creation of even man himself. There was a time before time on earth, this is what I got from before the flood time was not the same as after. Just as time is not the same the farther up you go from the earth, which messed up the first contact with the very high flying jets and ground control. They had some problem linking because of the time difference. Thank goodness they managed to get him down. They did not know about this until that point.

This should also tell you something important about where we live, it not as we totally perceive with our sight, that something we just have to ask The Lord God if he would show you, he said, to ask. When men really want to know the real truth they will ask, nothing to hard on this one, try to be clean or truthful when you really want to ask. It in truth you go and ask, not as if you already know and think you deserve anything, just as anyone else, respect is the way to go. I love The Lord God, and his Son Jesus, and this is simple enough, too. Jesus tried to tell the truth and said they knew the truth at the time and kept it from their people. Sure wish they had not left those important letters out.

You know in ancient times man knew more than modern man, funny about this. At times they were very in touch with The Lord God/

Thing is you can ask, make sure it The Lord God and not the prince of the air. God is nice and never hurts you. Except when you do not treat other with goodness or are a smart mouth after all his the top Boss or Father and his back hand is a little bigger than say your earthly father.

I don't think most people would have a problem, being humble is the way to go about it.

*Mocking the OP*

It has been 20 minutes and not a single creationist can explain this massive logical inconsistency in their position.

Check Mate

Yep thats right that's why 96% of the entire nature of reality is PROVEN ahem to be sometyhing that cant be measured, observed found described found described in any way...

so the scientific shamans call it "DARK MATTER"

sounds a bit woo la la to me.

God Bless.

Yet, with ZERO evidence, you believe in God.

Sounds very woo la la to me.

How do you know or can posit there is zero evidence lol?

the evidense is in the fact of the 96% OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Also an personal NDE which is published.

Saints Bodies that do not rot after hundreds of years.

Thousands of proven reports of Supernatural (that being all the "laws" of science being broken repeatedly) events of intervention.

Children Born with NO PUPILS verified by many many doctors who after visiting a saint, oh and a very very recent one Saint Padre PIO then live a full life still with no pupils in their eyes seeing perfectly well..

God Bless.

Sounds very woo la la to me.

I guess Stalin was a saint too huh?


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Why do you keep copying what I am saying?

Why are you showing a picture of a mass murdered who was preserved chemically and a wax covering put over him to try and comper it with many many proven incorrupt bodies of the saints which some were actually buried for decades before being found and relaised they had not decompossed?

Whats the 96% of everything that has more influence on everything that we can measure see weigh made from?

Where is it?

Explain it to me?

why is things that are proven many many many times woo la la to you however 96% of the known universe and driver of all models of what holds things together moves things that is in no way at all even known a lttle about not very very very WOO LA LAA to you.

Cognitive Disonance much?

Where did your beliefs come from those in authority in school when younger?

Do you like fiting in with everyone else?

What scares you about the truth?

What scares you about God?

What scares you about checking your sources, checking them again, being sure of what you believe and then making your own opinion?

Why do you like "theories" which are just thoughts as truths more than many many many proven across millenia repeatable evenst and actual happening to physical objects people and such like?

How many of your beliefs are your own?

Why do you trust and believe them?

What PROOF do you have for any of them being actually true?

How did you prove them?

God Bless.

Space and time are the same thing; a space-time continuum. Einstein proved that. Energy and matter are the same thing; E=MC^2. Einstein strikes again.

nothing make sense who made god? its fn crazy.

And we should never lose sight of this fundamental truth.

Everything had a beginning . something caused the big bang, something ignited the thing that started the big bang and so on for infinite .

I copy what you say because it is crackpot material.

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I guess no creationist can explain this critical flaw in their logic.