anybody else notice this about the poor immigrants in the caravan?

That's sad, what are they doing with the children, where did the first group go then?

A 1200 sq ft, 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom apartment in a nice neighborhood will cost you about $1200 a month.

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PROBABLY NOT. Average rent in the U.S. is $1,100. (ghetto crap holes mixed with upper class average. In a city like Panama City, the average rent for a comparable city in the U.S. is $3,500 for a totally mundane apartment, nothing fancy at all. There's no way it can cost that much in Panama, GDP per capita won't support it.


Unless you have been to the U.S. and actually had to live there, there's no way you could comprehend just how much things cost.

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That's nice, so then they should just stay there where things are uber cheap.

The natives that live in the Central American jungle like Panama etc, they’re pudgy also. They appear this way not from a diet of fast food and lack of exercise because they catch and gather there meals. It’s all the starches from the tubers, bananas, plantains and such the jungle provides.

Panama is one of the few Latin American countries that has a large middle class.

And they never have an American flag....but if they have a flag it is of their country ???

As I've already said, I'm an American expat living in Panama.

By the time the all get here, I may go back to their country...it will be empty

But Americans CAN NEVER live in panama without severe penalities and can NEVER WORK IN PANAMA except under strict restrictions. Those illegals coming to the USA demand benefits and free aid. Panama NEVER gives that to Americans

GDP per capita in Panama is $22,000 as of 2017.

GDP per capita in the United States is 53,128 as of 2017.

So Panama may have high prices in some areas, but GDP per capita won't support the same level of insanity.

The Amerindians I've seen here, like the Kuna, are very tiny.

5' is tall for them.

So then all the people that are sending money back to Mexico from US are living pretty high on the hog, must be nice.

We have a couple at work doing that, now I see why. Even a gross salary of say 500 a week, would leave their family quite a lot of extra cash.

Also he told me medical uber cheap there, especially dental, like super cheap. What a life, compared to us struggling just to pay rent, and many can't even afford any type of medical. Yeah, but we're the privileged ones.

they are Enemy Infiltrators.

I'm really not sure what the issue is. I was asked a few questions, and I answered them.

The rent in Panama City is comparable to that of the USA. Of those who work here, but can't afford the rent, they live on the outskirts of the city and commute.

Except you will get no benefits of any kind, and probably not too much in jobs down there.

Oh, not to derail the thread -

FACT: Central America is a FAR CRY from Central Africa, I think many Americans would be surprised how well a lot of Central America actually lives, and the fat people in the caravan prove it.

So, they can get a haircut for pennies, right?

Rent costs 1/10th of what it costs in the U.S. and food is cheaper too.

So they look and say, Whoa! the Gringo makes $50K a year. I make $8K a year. My life must suck. And then they go to the U.S., find out it costs $20 K a year to live in the lowest shithole, and WELFARE PICKS UP THE SLACK

FACT.

They would be better off where they are. Refugees they are NOT.

FACT.

green karma coming to you when I have more!

You would have to have a special skill to be able to work in Panama, or own your own business here with locals as employees. Otherwise, your money needs to come from offshore sources, investments, or a retirement fund.

Foreigners in Panama are not going to get any freebies. I'm not even aware of that many freebies for the locals, healthcare and retirement are the only things I can think of.

I agree. They should not be allowed to invade the USA and suckle on welfare at the expense of the taxpayers.

You won't need benefits. The medical system is not a scam

MRI's cost $200 for a 2017 vintage 5 tesla machine, (cat scans cost about $50, X-rays cost $5.

Broken legs cost $100 - 200,

Childbirth costs about $300, ALL PRIVATE CARE PRICES.

Absent the scammery, medical is CHEAP. Who needs benefits when there is no ripoff?

FACT: childbirth in a super upscale private hospital with a three day stay, C-section, and a conference room attached to your hospital room so you can conduct business with approximately 12 people will set you back $1,400 in the finest hospital, ALL medical bills paid, PLUS 3 nights. And I mean a FINE hospital, not the chemical smelling noisy clicky sterile cold stiff bed bullshit you pay thousands of dollars per night for in the U.S.

Last Edited by crustalfailure on 01/19/2019 10:21 PM

True. Healthcare here is very cheap. So are pharmaceuticals, and you don't need a prescription for most of them.

They don't say AZTLAN but they are thinking it.
Conquest.

They were kept south of the narrow neck of land by the indigenous Native Americans since about 400 BC till the white man came and conquored the Dineh. The white
man never learned to tell the difference between the Dineh
and Mexica.

The Dineh signed treaties with the white man thinking they had a powerful alliance against the Mexica. By the time the Dineh realized the white man couldn't tell the difference,
it was too late. Dineh had lost every power to keep the Mexica at bay.

Now the Mexica have become a horde and are breaking through the narrow neck of land, and all they want is to destroy the Dineh and the white man.

They will rape through taking welfare as long as the white man lays down for that. They will take whatever they can
till they are stopped with certainty, the way the Dineh stopped them.

Look to history. It whispers in the ears of all.
Apocalypto tells it. The man from Wales knows.

If you have a decent pension, many Latin American countries including Panama will be very happy to give you permanent status. I even read about Panama that if you're retirement age you can get old-age discounts on buses etc.

BirdMom does that agree with what you've observed actually being in Panama?

I don't know about permission to work or welfare type benefits; I would presume the welfare is restricted. They want you because you bring money in, not because you leech off them.

I screwed up the post and did not fix it before you quoted it. MRI's on a 5 tesla machine cost $200. NO SHIT. Cat scans cost about $50 and X-rays are $5.

Which narrow neck of land? Isthmus of Tehuantepec in Mexico? Darien Gap in Panama?

And free gas?

OK, ONCE AGAIN, not to derail this thread -

These IDIOTS are clueless about what they are running from, and where they are running to.

FACT.

Clueless? They've lived in Honduras for 20 years or more. They know what it's like there. They know that they would prefer benefits in the USA.

I know that in one city in Guatemala, there's communication between those in the USA and those who have come back, and of course those thinking of going. It's like a highway back and forth.

I have no reason to think the San Pedro Sula crowd from Honduras is much different -- are they so stupid they don't even keep in touch with the people sending back remittances? I know Guatemalans seem much nicer than Hondurans, the place is more peaceful -- which begs the question of why the Hondurans who say they are suffering so much there don't beset Guatemala with their asylum applications rather than continuing on to Mexico and the USA.