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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 How is gas movement due to pressure differential the same as throwing a ball? You are comparing apples to oranges Both are throwing mass in a direction, a bowling ball, or rocket exhaust. How about a water hose in space? Would that propel an object? Again, the water, gas, and ball all have mass with inertia or momentum. They all are subject to a difference in pressure in however they are propelled. When you drop a ball from a height does the the ball push back before it fall? No because the force was applied by gravity. Similarly, gas movement due to pressure differential is caused by the pressure gradienT force, thus no opposite reaction. Actually, in a sense, yes, the ball exerts a gravitational force on the earth as well according to its mass. "thus no opposite reaction" - you are not providing justification for this. The opposite reaction only happens when the ball falls on the floor thus transferring momentum. Pressure also only transfers its momentum when it hits something like the floor or atmosphere Balance242 |
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Remedial_Rebel User ID: 77275768 United States 01/27/2019 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple garden hose and nozzle with water under pressure demonstrates the same principle of how rockets work in space. Quoting: Remedial_Rebel With the flow control set to maximum distance, there is a recoil force of the nozzle as water streams out. This is identical to the forward thrust of a rocket as gases shoot out the nozzle of a rocket engine in space. 12 pages of the BS thread, to explain this apparent Darwin award winner of this basic principle and concept. Nobody is this stupid. So what's OP's objective????? The water is pushing off the atmosphere Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. |
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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple garden hose and nozzle with water under pressure demonstrates the same principle of how rockets work in space. Quoting: Remedial_Rebel With the flow control set to maximum distance, there is a recoil force of the nozzle as water streams out. This is identical to the forward thrust of a rocket as gases shoot out the nozzle of a rocket engine in space. 12 pages of the BS thread, to explain this apparent Darwin award winner of this basic principle and concept. Nobody is this stupid. So what's OP's objective????? The water is pushing off the atmosphere Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Balance242 |
Remedial_Rebel User ID: 77275768 United States 01/27/2019 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple garden hose and nozzle with water under pressure demonstrates the same principle of how rockets work in space. Quoting: Remedial_Rebel With the flow control set to maximum distance, there is a recoil force of the nozzle as water streams out. This is identical to the forward thrust of a rocket as gases shoot out the nozzle of a rocket engine in space. 12 pages of the BS thread, to explain this apparent Darwin award winner of this basic principle and concept. Nobody is this stupid. So what's OP's objective????? The water is pushing off the atmosphere Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Right on queue, when faced with an irrefutable fact of the garden hose example, you deflect to............... A Flat Earth University of YouTube video with a self proclaimed experts with no names of reputable, researchable scientist or engineers in a related field. Why don't you just admit you're here to insidiously undermine alt-right conservative forums. Last Edited by Remedial_Rebel on 01/27/2019 11:22 AM |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Right on queue, when faced with an irrefutable fact of the garden hose example, you deflect to............... A Flat Earth University of YouTube video with a self proclaimed experts with no names of reputable, researchable scientist or engineers in a related field. Why don't you just admit you're here to insidiously undermine alt-right conservative forums. So you still think that the drone is not pushing off the air or cardboard. You deny direct evidence? Balance242 |
syncro User ID: 75835116 United States 01/27/2019 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Remedial_Rebel Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Right on queue, when faced with an irrefutable fact of the garden hose example, you deflect to............... A Flat Earth University of YouTube video with a self proclaimed experts with no names of reputable, researchable scientist or engineers in a related field. Why don't you just admit you're here to insidiously undermine alt-right conservative forums. So you still think that the drone is not pushing off the air or cardboard. You deny direct evidence? Wings and propellers use lift that depends on the medium of a fluid external to the machine. The thrust of rockets does not for reasons already stated. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Right on queue, when faced with an irrefutable fact of the garden hose example, you deflect to............... A Flat Earth University of YouTube video with a self proclaimed experts with no names of reputable, researchable scientist or engineers in a related field. Why don't you just admit you're here to insidiously undermine alt-right conservative forums. So you still think that the drone is not pushing off the air or cardboard. You deny direct evidence? The subject matter isn't about drones. It's about rockets. Your brand of stupid is getting out of hand. You can't even direct the subject or guide your point. Name calling is indication that you have no idea of what you’re talking about. I was making a specific point that the drone pushes off the atmosphere,and doesn’t simply move because the propellers move air down thus equal and opposite force. Balance242 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 So you still think that the drone is not pushing off the air or cardboard. You deny direct evidence? The subject matter isn't about drones. It's about rockets. Your brand of stupid is getting out of hand. You can't even direct the subject or guide your point. Name calling is indication that you have no idea of what you’re talking about. I was making a specific point that the drone pushes off the atmosphere,and doesn’t simply move because the propellers move air down thus equal and opposite force. No it doesn't. And it was a lame point. You're a stupid cunt and we all know it. It's best you know your place. So I'm gonna call you names the rest this conversation. So name calling is the new proof? Because you have provided none otherwise Balance242 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74841941 United States 01/27/2019 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is gas movement due to pressure differential the same as throwing a ball? You are comparing apples to oranges Quoting: Balance242 They are exactly the same. The heat of combustion of rocket fuel excites the gas particles causing them to push on the rocket, pushing the rocket away from the particles. The expanding of the skateboards arms pushing the ball away from his is no different than the expanding gasses in the rocket nozzle. Are you saying a gun fired in space would have no recoil? In this case, the bullet is the expanding gasses from the rocket nozzle. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air. A rocket is more like firing a blank Pressure gradient force is the force that move the exhaust, not the rocket. Have you every fired a blank? They have recoil. If you fired a blank in space, are you saying that you would not feel any force exerted on your hand from the gun? What if it was a 155mm howitzer blank? You're saying the howitzer would remain 100% stationary fixed in space while 20 pounds of explosives detonated in the barrel instantly? And you've just proved my point with the red text. "The spring only pushed the block as much as it pushes the air". Exactly, and in the case of the rocket in space, the "air" is the rocket exhaust. It has mass, not as much as the "blocks" but is does have mass. Pushing off of it at extremely high velocities imparts force on the rocket. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple garden hose and nozzle with water under pressure demonstrates the same principle of how rockets work in space. Quoting: Remedial_Rebel With the flow control set to maximum distance, there is a recoil force of the nozzle as water streams out. This is identical to the forward thrust of a rocket as gases shoot out the nozzle of a rocket engine in space. 12 pages of the BS thread, to explain this apparent Darwin award winner of this basic principle and concept. Nobody is this stupid. So what's OP's objective????? The water is pushing off the atmosphere Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Another simple Experiment idea. Break wind in the air and then feet in the water. In which situation do you feel more thrust? I’m sure many of us have already done this lo Balance242 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Another simple Experiment idea. Break wind in the air and then feet in the water. In which situation do you feel more thrust? I’m sure many of us have already done this lo “Break wind In the water” Balance242 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77305190 United States 01/27/2019 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A simple garden hose and nozzle with water under pressure demonstrates the same principle of how rockets work in space. Quoting: Remedial_Rebel With the flow control set to maximum distance, there is a recoil force of the nozzle as water streams out. This is identical to the forward thrust of a rocket as gases shoot out the nozzle of a rocket engine in space. 12 pages of the BS thread, to explain this apparent Darwin award winner of this basic principle and concept. Nobody is this stupid. So what's OP's objective????? The water is pushing off the atmosphere Absolute BULLSHIT. Any fool knows the mass of air is insignificant to the mass of liquid water. You are a blatant shill. This video proves that drones push off air. So in other words, I don’t accept what you’re telling me because it is contradictory to reality. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] OMG Dude give it up. If you don't understand the basic concept of lift by rotor blades on a drone, there's no way you're even capable of discussing rocket propulsion. I think the Canadian school system failed you. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 Name calling is indication that you have no idea of what you’re talking about. I was making a specific point that the drone pushes off the atmosphere,and doesn’t simply move because the propellers move air down thus equal and opposite force. No it doesn't. And it was a lame point. You're a stupid cunt and we all know it. It's best you know your place. So I'm gonna call you names the rest this conversation. So name calling is the new proof? Because you have provided none otherwise Everybody on this thread has kicked your ass 10 times now. Lol. We all know the truth. This thread's just a troll thread. You're trolling us with your flatearth bad science. In your mentally warped world we're supposed to argue about it. It's fulfilling some sick ass fetish you have. If you could you would let us all kick you in the balls 5 times. You're into that kind of shit. Explain how. I’ve provided simple proof that rockets don’t work in vacuum. You’ve provided name calling . Balance242 |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 01/27/2019 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut All I saw was a rocket moving horizontally against a blue sky Thank you for continually proving you didn't even look at or understand what I was showing you. For those who want to see what a troll the op is, just click the above link to a geostationary satellite burning its rocket to insert it into orbit. Does the sky look blue? No, of course not, op didn't even look at it. He's a troll. Last Edited by Astromut on 01/27/2019 12:25 PM |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut All I saw was a rocket moving horizontally against a blue sky Thank you for continually proving you didn't even look at or understand what I was showing you. Where is the proof? All I see is a rocket against a blue sky. That is not proof. It’s pathetic that this is your only proof Balance242 |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 01/27/2019 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Balance242 Thank you for continually proving you didn't even look at or understand what I was showing you. Where is the proof? All I see is a rocket against a blue sky. That is not proof. It’s pathetic that this is your only proof Wrong. Thanks for proving AGAIN that you didn't even watch it. You're a troll, nothing more. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for continually proving you didn't even look at or understand what I was showing you. Where is the proof? All I see is a rocket against a blue sky. That is not proof. It’s pathetic that this is your only proof Wrong. Thanks for proving AGAIN that you didn't even watch it. You're a troll, nothing more. What in the video proves the rocket went to space? Balance242 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everybody on this thread has kicked your ass 10 times now. Lol. We all know the truth. This thread's just a troll thread. You're trolling us with your flatearth bad science. In your mentally warped world we're supposed to argue about it. It's fulfilling some sick ass fetish you have. If you could you would let us all kick you in the balls 5 times. You're into that kind of shit. Explain how. I’ve provided simple proof that rockets don’t work in vacuum. You’ve provided name calling . Your argue against proven facts. You can go in circles if you want to… though we all know the truth. Rockets propel crafts in space. Already established and all the points have already been made. It's a scientific fact. I think it would be more interesting if we began a discussion about your mental problems. It could really liven up this thread. If not observed in reality, then it’s not fact. Where is your simple experiment? Balance242 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 Explain how. I’ve provided simple proof that rockets don’t work in vacuum. You’ve provided name calling . Your argue against proven facts. You can go in circles if you want to… though we all know the truth. Rockets propel crafts in space. Already established and all the points have already been made. It's a scientific fact. I think it would be more interesting if we began a discussion about your mental problems. It could really liven up this thread. If not observed in reality, then it’s not fact. Where is your simple experiment? Your reality is different than other people's reality. Let's discuss your reality. Do you have any brothers or sisters? Have you ever been psychologically evaluated? Balance242 |
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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol how pathetic. Parroting information is useless if you can’t use it practical reality. No simple experiment showing the equal and opposite reaction from gas movement due to pressure gradient. How pathetic. Balance242 |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 01/27/2019 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut Thank you for continually proving you didn't even look at or understand what I was showing you. Where is the proof? All I see is a rocket against a blue sky. That is not proof. It’s pathetic that this is your only proof Wrong. Thanks for proving AGAIN that you didn't even watch it. You're a troll, nothing more. What in the video proves the rocket went to space? I already explained it. You're wasting everyone's time. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 Where is the proof? All I see is a rocket against a blue sky. That is not proof. It’s pathetic that this is your only proof Wrong. Thanks for proving AGAIN that you didn't even watch it. You're a troll, nothing more. What in the video proves the rocket went to space? I already explained it. You're wasting everyone's time. The part where the rocket disappears as it moves horizontally? Or the part where the rocket is against the blue sky l? Balance242 |
Emerald_Glow 2.0 User ID: 76456970 United States 01/27/2019 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is it, OP. The K.O. There is no swearword, offense or distraction that makes this clear truth go away. No. If I'm sitting in a chair with wheels, and I throw a heavy ball away from me, I and the chair will move backward. Where is your resistance needed to cause this reaction? It is not the pressure of the atmosphere, but the inertia of the ball of mass, as it is of the mass of the exhaust being expelled from a rocket. Floating in space, if I thrust a ball away from me, I will move away in reaction. No atmospheric pressure needed. Same with the rocket. Try it without the RESISTANCE of solid floor underneath you. For instance, placing your wheelchair on a deck on wheels first. Emerald_Glow 2.0 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/27/2019 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is it, OP. The K.O. There is no swearword, offense or distraction that makes this clear truth go away. No. If I'm sitting in a chair with wheels, and I throw a heavy ball away from me, I and the chair will move backward. Where is your resistance needed to cause this reaction? It is not the pressure of the atmosphere, but the inertia of the ball of mass, as it is of the mass of the exhaust being expelled from a rocket. Floating in space, if I thrust a ball away from me, I will move away in reaction. No atmospheric pressure needed. Same with the rocket. Try it without the RESISTANCE of solid floor underneath you. For instance, placing your wheelchair on a deck on wheels first. Like a wheelchair on a resistance free treadmill. Your wheels will spin but you won’t move Balance242 |
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Emerald_Glow 2.0 User ID: 76456970 United States 01/27/2019 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is it, OP. The K.O. There is no swearword, offense or distraction that makes this clear truth go away. No. If I'm sitting in a chair with wheels, and I throw a heavy ball away from me, I and the chair will move backward. Where is your resistance needed to cause this reaction? It is not the pressure of the atmosphere, but the inertia of the ball of mass, as it is of the mass of the exhaust being expelled from a rocket. Floating in space, if I thrust a ball away from me, I will move away in reaction. No atmospheric pressure needed. Same with the rocket. Try it without the RESISTANCE of solid floor underneath you. For instance, placing your wheelchair on a deck freely rolling on wheels first. Emerald_Glow 2.0 |