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Balance242  (OP)

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Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
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Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
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does he work for the nsa? why do you need my location?
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Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


does he work for the nsa? why do you need my location?
 Quoting: Balance242

We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


does he work for the nsa? why do you need my location?
 Quoting: Balance242

We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


hfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhfhf

There.

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Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


does he work for the nsa? why do you need my location?
 Quoting: Balance242

We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


:

There.

Out of system yet?

(sorry, but I'd like to be let know when/if my a$$hole is showing too.)
 Quoting: .Rest.

Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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does he work for the nsa? why do you need my location?
 Quoting: Balance242

We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


:

There.

Out of system yet?

(sorry, but I'd like to be let know when/if my a$$hole is showing too.)
 Quoting: .Rest.

Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth



I wasn't arguing anything, if you look back through page 6 you'll see I have no argument one way or another but enjoy reading and find it all actually absurdly comical... I'm just saying it may be perceived by some as disingenuous when you append flowers to everything, even in posts that clearly otherwise exude anger/sarcasm/stress/insult/fluster.

also, I haven't "worked" for any taxable income since I began learning of the probably 99% of tax money going toward decption/fuckery many years ago. (around age 18, c.a. 2008)

So no sorry, not my tax $, your's maybe, and given the work history you've claimed here I'd say it's likely, but no not even one bit of mine.

I'm just a giggly observer who made way too much with computers my own way early on.

I wouldn't say I'm a "Alabama University" student either, though I personally think that is probably as decent a school as any these days.

I do have high degrees in mathematics and physics in what are considered generally as top schools in the US, but as soon as they were achieved I began doing my own learning and realized a great deal to be missing / left out of all those textbooks.

So I followed that path pursuing that 'lost' knowledge for a long time, then went back to hard math and computers for a while, then back into the abyss, and so on, until finally winding up somewhat balanced, seeing great truth and validity in both sides. I'm not here to tell anyone what to think only to strongly encourage everyone to NEVER think you know all that is knowable. That's death.

Like I said, I think you're both right, you and OP, and I pray very seriously some day such a revelation encounters you both as well.

In the 'heavens' or 'sky' is unlimited possibility and potential, though no one reaches it by stepping on others.

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does he work for the nsa? why do you need my location?
 Quoting: Balance242

We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


:

There.

Out of system yet?

(sorry, but I'd like to be let know when/if my a$$hole is showing too.)
 Quoting: .Rest.

Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


True. But it’s usually a computer that picks up chatter. Humans only get involved when chatter gets interesting
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Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did
 Quoting: Balance242

No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


All I see is the rocket in the blue sky. I don’t see a rocket in space.
 Quoting: Balance242


That's because you're a fucking moron. You already demonstrated you completely missed the point of the video to begin with, I doubt you even watched the whole thing.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


No, this one's legitimately and deliberately dense. He's beyond help.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


No, this one's legitimately and deliberately dense. He's beyond help.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Kicking him to the curb might be the best bet? hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


No, this one's legitimately and deliberately dense. He's beyond help.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Kicking him to the curb might be the best bet? hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Ever village needs its idiot. He's free to be an idiot all he wants.
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We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


:

There.

Out of system yet?

(sorry, but I'd like to be let know when/if my a$$hole is showing too.)
 Quoting: .Rest.

Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth



I wasn't arguing anything, if you look back through page 6 you'll see I have no argument one way or another but enjoy reading and find it all actually absurdly comical... I'm just saying it may be perceived by some as disingenuous when you append flowers to everything, even in posts that clearly otherwise exude anger/sarcasm/stress/insult/fluster.

also, I haven't "worked" for any taxable income since I began learning of the probably 99% of tax money going toward decption/fuckery many years ago. (around age 18, c.a. 2008)

So no sorry, not my tax $, your's maybe, and given the work history you've claimed here I'd say it's likely, but no not even one bit of mine.

I'm just a giggly observer who made way too much with computers my own way early on.

I wouldn't say I'm a "Alabama University" student either, though I personally think that is probably as decent a school as any these days.

I do have high degrees in mathematics and physics in what are considered generally as top schools in the US, but as soon as they were achieved I began doing my own learning and realized a great deal to be missing / left out of all those textbooks.

So I followed that path pursuing that 'lost' knowledge for a long time, then went back to hard math and computers for a while, then back into the abyss, and so on, until finally winding up somewhat balanced, seeing great truth and validity in both sides. I'm not here to tell anyone what to think only to strongly encourage everyone to NEVER think you know all that is knowable. That's death.

Like I said, I think you're both right, you and OP, and I pray very seriously some day such a revelation encounters you both as well.

In the 'heavens' or 'sky' is unlimited possibility and potential, though no one reaches it by stepping on others.
 Quoting: .Rest.


Will you marry me?
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We all work for the NSA. Ever heard of Echelon? You can't be not heard. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


:

There.

Out of system yet?

(sorry, but I'd like to be let know when/if my a$$hole is showing too.)
 Quoting: .Rest.

Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth



I wasn't arguing anything, if you look back through page 6 you'll see I have no argument one way or another but enjoy reading and find it all actually absurdly comical... I'm just saying it may be perceived by some as disingenuous when you append flowers to everything, even in posts that clearly otherwise exude anger/sarcasm/stress/insult/fluster.

also, I haven't "worked" for any taxable income since I began learning of the probably 99% of tax money going toward decption/fuckery many years ago. (around age 18, c.a. 2008)

So no sorry, not my tax $, your's maybe, and given the work history you've claimed here I'd say it's likely, but no not mine.

I'm just a giggly observer who made way too much with computers my own way early on.

Like I said, I think you're both right, you and OP, and I pray very seriously some day such a revelation encounters you both as well.

In the 'heavens' or 'sky' is unlimited possibility and potential, though no one reaches it by stepping on others.
 Quoting: .Rest.

As a newcomer I'll tell you the same as everyone else who questioned my replies. I always will reply with a hf at the end of any reply in in regards and deference to an original glp member and my dear friend Suzanne who passed early in the early 2000's. I picked that habit up from her and won't relent it until I too pass. Every reply of mine shall always and forevermore l be punctuated by a hf

Much regards-SOT hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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There.

Out of system yet?

(sorry, but I'd like to be let know when/if my a$$hole is showing too.)
 Quoting: .Rest.

Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth



I wasn't arguing anything, if you look back through page 6 you'll see I have no argument one way or another but enjoy reading and find it all actually absurdly comical... I'm just saying it may be perceived by some as disingenuous when you append flowers to everything, even in posts that clearly otherwise exude anger/sarcasm/stress/insult/fluster.

also, I haven't "worked" for any taxable income since I began learning of the probably 99% of tax money going toward decption/fuckery many years ago. (around age 18, c.a. 2008)

So no sorry, not my tax $, your's maybe, and given the work history you've claimed here I'd say it's likely, but no not even one bit of mine.

I'm just a giggly observer who made way too much with computers my own way early on.

I wouldn't say I'm a "Alabama University" student either, though I personally think that is probably as decent a school as any these days.

I do have high degrees in mathematics and physics in what are considered generally as top schools in the US, but as soon as they were achieved I began doing my own learning and realized a great deal to be missing / left out of all those textbooks.

So I followed that path pursuing that 'lost' knowledge for a long time, then went back to hard math and computers for a while, then back into the abyss, and so on, until finally winding up somewhat balanced, seeing great truth and validity in both sides. I'm not here to tell anyone what to think only to strongly encourage everyone to NEVER think you know all that is knowable. That's death.

Like I said, I think you're both right, you and OP, and I pray very seriously some day such a revelation encounters you both as well.

In the 'heavens' or 'sky' is unlimited possibility and potential, though no one reaches it by stepping on others.
 Quoting: .Rest.

As a newcomer I'll tell you the same as everyone else who questioned my replies. I always will reply with a hf at the end of any reply in in regards and deference to an original glp member and my dear friend Suzanne who passed early in the early 2000's. I picked that habit up from her and won't relent it until I too pass. Every reply of mine shall always and forevermore l be punctuated by a hf

Much regards-SOT hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


ah ok, unaware of back-story, peace

not a newcomer though, here since 2008.

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I might cuss your ass out and go to town on you but rest assured you will always get a hf to close out any debate. Until the day I too die at least. hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it!
 Quoting: Kodiak Island

You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the futurehf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Education could sure be better. People should think critically and understand concepts instead of parroting information from NASA.
 Quoting: Balance242


guess what...NASA is not the rocket designer or builder...those rocket are designed and built by private companies...like Boeing and LockMart… they've been building and flying rockets into orbit and beyond for many decades...and there's nothing you can say that will change that fact. Space science, physics, and orbital mechanics is fascinating stuff, if you can wrap your brain around it.
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Someone who truly understands what's really going on. There truly is not an em field radiation signature that isn't captured on Earth. Our world is covered completely and you cannot hide from Uncle Sam.Your tax dollars at work ensured that. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth



I wasn't arguing anything, if you look back through page 6 you'll see I have no argument one way or another but enjoy reading and find it all actually absurdly comical... I'm just saying it may be perceived by some as disingenuous when you append flowers to everything, even in posts that clearly otherwise exude anger/sarcasm/stress/insult/fluster.

also, I haven't "worked" for any taxable income since I began learning of the probably 99% of tax money going toward decption/fuckery many years ago. (around age 18, c.a. 2008)

So no sorry, not my tax $, your's maybe, and given the work history you've claimed here I'd say it's likely, but no not even one bit of mine.

I'm just a giggly observer who made way too much with computers my own way early on.

I wouldn't say I'm a "Alabama University" student either, though I personally think that is probably as decent a school as any these days.

I do have high degrees in mathematics and physics in what are considered generally as top schools in the US, but as soon as they were achieved I began doing my own learning and realized a great deal to be missing / left out of all those textbooks.

So I followed that path pursuing that 'lost' knowledge for a long time, then went back to hard math and computers for a while, then back into the abyss, and so on, until finally winding up somewhat balanced, seeing great truth and validity in both sides. I'm not here to tell anyone what to think only to strongly encourage everyone to NEVER think you know all that is knowable. That's death.

Like I said, I think you're both right, you and OP, and I pray very seriously some day such a revelation encounters you both as well.

In the 'heavens' or 'sky' is unlimited possibility and potential, though no one reaches it by stepping on others.
 Quoting: .Rest.

As a newcomer I'll tell you the same as everyone else who questioned my replies. I always will reply with a hf at the end of any reply in in regards and deference to an original glp member and my dear friend Suzanne who passed early in the early 2000's. I picked that habit up from her and won't relent it until I too pass. Every reply of mine shall always and forevermore l be punctuated by a hf

Much regards-SOT hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


ah ok, unaware of back-story, peace

not a newcomer though, here since 2008.

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 Quoting: .Rest.

2008 really? yea you're a neewbi. Been here since sept 1998.hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
.Rest.

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2008 really? yea you're a neewbi. Been here since sept 1998.hf
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hmmm... well i bet i've been here a larger percentage of my life than you. hehe
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2008 really? yea you're a neewbi. Been here since sept 1998.hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


hmmm... well i bet i've been here a larger percentage of my life than you. hehe
 Quoting: .Rest.

Maybe true but I bet I'd qualify as a grandparent if not a great grandparent for you. To me, you're a young whipper snapper. still trying on pull ups after getting out of diapers. hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it!
 Quoting: Kodiak Island

You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the futurehf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Education could sure be better. People should think critically and understand concepts instead of parroting information from NASA.
 Quoting: Balance242


guess what...NASA is not the rocket designer or builder...those rocket are designed and built by private companies...like Boeing and LockMart… they've been building and flying rockets into orbit and beyond for many decades...and there's nothing you can say that will change that fact. Space science, physics, and orbital mechanics is fascinating stuff, if you can wrap your brain around it.
 Quoting: hotdogg

You're half correct. NASA contracted out to rocketdyne and partners, in the early 50's. Currently, they only perfect 80 % of what private companies design as standard. hf
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2008 really? yea you're a neewbi. Been here since sept 1998.hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


hmmm... well i bet i've been here a larger percentage of my life than you. hehe
 Quoting: .Rest.

Maybe true but I bet I'd qualify as a grandparent if not a great grandparent for you. To me, you're a young whipper snapper. still trying on pull ups after getting out of diapers. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Makes sense. I imagine I'd feel the same about someone my grandson or granddaughter's age if I had those years.

I'd still not trust my own knowledge/experience/wisdom over the sum of the same between my self and another, I think, even if that other wore diapers.

There are glaring holes in both sides of the 'spectrum' or 'story', that even the least intelligent/experienced/wise among us would find tremendous difficulty in not noticing.

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I didn't take physics - wish I did. But I think the nozzle is key, regardless of vacuum: I know how to adjust sails on a
sail boat, which have force exerted on them, and we can
move close to an opposite direction of that force. ??
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2008 really? yea you're a neewbi. Been here since sept 1998.hf
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hmmm... well i bet i've been here a larger percentage of my life than you. hehe
 Quoting: .Rest.

Maybe true but I bet I'd qualify as a grandparent if not a great grandparent for you. To me, you're a young whipper snapper. still trying on pull ups after getting out of diapers. hf
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Makes sense. I imagine I'd feel the same about someone my grandson or granddaughter's age if I had those years.

I'd still not trust my own knowledge/experience/wisdom over the sum of the same between my self and another, I think, even if that other wore diapers.

There are glaring holes in both sides of the 'spectrum' or 'story', that even the least intelligent/experienced/wise among us would find tremendous difficulty in not noticing.
 Quoting: .Rest.

Not often I've done this.... but willing to concede, it might appear you are redeemable by your reply. For that non argumentative reply I give you credit for being a stand up dude/dudette. Blessings for you and keep it up. Much easier to attract bees in your life with sugar over vinegar. hf
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You're floating in a zero-g vacuum, holding a bowling ball. You push the bowling ball away from you as hard as you can. If you were correct, the bowling ball would move away from you, but your position in space would remain unchanged. You're clearly wrong and dumb.
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Again, fluid movement due to pressure differential is not the same mechanism as throwing a ball.
 Quoting: Balance242


false...they both involv1er accelerating mass, and the resulting reaction....every action has an equal and opposite reaction...same thing applies to rocket engines accelerating hot gasses out of the engines, propelling the craft in the opposite vector...
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When you drop a ball from your hand from a height, is there an opposite reaction in your hand when the ball falls? Doesn’t it involve accelerating mass?
 Quoting: Balance242


OP I don't think anybody answered this one so here goes:

When you hold a ball you apply a force equal to what gravity applies to it but in the opposite direction.

When you drop the ball you stop applying this opposing force and the ball falls to the ground.

There is no opposing reaction in your hand when you drop it.
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What you were attempting to show with your vacuum cleaner and pipe experiment was the removal of the weight of air in the section of pipe, which you expected to be observable on the scale.

The reason it failed is that for every volume of air you removed from the pipe, more simply rushed in from the open end of the pipe, resulting in no net change in weight, or minimal observable change.

Had you sealed off the pipe and created a true vacuum with the vacuum pump, you may have seen something, but probably not on an inaccurate bathroom scale, due to the relatively low mass of air.

Rockets do work in space. The rocket essentially carries its own mass along to interact with in an equal and opposite way. Onboard is fuel and an oxidizer that expands explosively through the Venturi nozzle, which greatly accelerates the exhaust gas.

The equal and opposite reaction occurs here in the nozzle. As the gas is accelerated downward from the point of reference of the nozzle, the nozzle is also accelerated upward from the point of view of the gas. The nozzle is obviously attached to the rocket and the resultant action is away from the exhaust gas.
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They use a similar argument to my example of 2 people falling off a cliff and pushing against each other whilst falling.

"If you stand on a skateboard and throw a bowling ball forward, that force will push you and the skateboard back. However, because your weight on the skateboard is heavier than that of the bowling ball, you won't move as far.

That's the challenge engineers face when designing space engines. Yes, a small amount of thrust does push the spacecraft forward, but it often takes a great deal of fuel to get going anywhere quickly. More fuel means more weight, which adds to the cost of a mission."
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A good example is if you fire a pistol in space. The pistol will still recoil because of the gases from the propellant pushing against the bullet.
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No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it!
 Quoting: Kodiak Island

You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the futurehf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Education could sure be better. People should think critically and understand concepts instead of parroting information from NASA.
 Quoting: Balance242


guess what...NASA is not the rocket designer or builder...those rocket are designed and built by private companies...like Boeing and LockMart… they've been building and flying rockets into orbit and beyond for many decades...and there's nothing you can say that will change that fact. Space science, physics, and orbital mechanics is fascinating stuff, if you can wrap your brain around it.
 Quoting: hotdogg


I would sure like to sell you something that doesn’t work in space if you paid enough.
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What you were attempting to show with your vacuum cleaner and pipe experiment was the removal of the weight of air in the section of pipe, which you expected to be observable on the scale.

The reason it failed is that for every volume of air you removed from the pipe, more simply rushed in from the open end of the pipe, resulting in no net change in weight, or minimal observable change.

Had you sealed off the pipe and created a true vacuum with the vacuum pump, you may have seen something, but probably not on an inaccurate bathroom scale, due to the relatively low mass of air.

Rockets do work in space. The rocket essentially carries its own mass along to interact with in an equal and opposite way. Onboard is fuel and an oxidizer that expands explosively through the Venturi nozzle, which greatly accelerates the exhaust gas.

The equal and opposite reaction occurs here in the nozzle. As the gas is accelerated downward from the point of reference of the nozzle, the nozzle is also accelerated upward from the point of view of the gas. The nozzle is obviously attached to the rocket and the resultant action is away from the exhaust gas.
 Quoting: MaxTork


Now you are making assumptions without proof. With the vacuum cleaner on and pointed close to the pipe, the pressure in the pipe would close to equilibrium with the vacuum hose. Any pressure trying to get in the pipe would go into the vacuum instead as the vacuum maintains low pressure.

Secondly, the initial evacuation, the airflow was strong enough to lift a penny against gravity, but there is no observable force on the scale.
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