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Rockets need an atmosphere to propel

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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Firing a starting pistol in space will still generate recoil fuckwit.

No, I said firing a bullet is not equivalent to a rocket, however firing a blank is.
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Prove it.
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It's a very simple concept man. Gas wants to expand it all directions, but is forced in one singular direction.

When it expands in all directions the thrust is directed in all directions. When its forced in one direction by an object, all the mass that would otherwise go in all directions pushes against the object until it escapes. Where it can then happily expand in all directions.
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So what happened in the pipe? Was the gas not pushing in all direction equally before applying the vacuum?
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No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air.
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Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.

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No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air.
Quoting: Balance242

Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
Quoting: Chip

“An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases.”

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Hot gases create high pressure. Therefore the movement is due to pressure differential.
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No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air.
Quoting: Balance242

Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
Quoting: Chip

Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.

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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
I don't believe a single thing that's been published about space. And also, who cares? We have the Earth To worry about before we worry about trying to conquer space.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
I don't believe a single thing that's been published about space.
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Well given that you couldn't tell the difference between a background star and an impact on the moon, maybe you're not the best person to judge what's published about space.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
this makes sense, the rocket stages of space satellites are released usually around upper atmosphere

however, does pose a problem to all the space probes that supposedly have small engines to correct orbit...
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No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air.
Quoting: Balance242

Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
Quoting: Chip

Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
He continually keeps avoiding giving any useful information about the test setup, even a simple picture that would expose the flaws in his experiment like the type of scale used which makes a huge difference if it isn't something like a precious metal scale, he only offers the fact that pennies weigh "approx 3 grams each".

The larger the scale usually the more innacurate it becomes when dealing with small weights.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
He continually keeps avoiding giving any useful information about the test setup, even a simple picture that would expose the flaws in his experiment like the type of scale used which makes a huge difference if it isn't something like a precious metal scale, he only offers the fact that pennies weigh "approx 3 grams each".

The larger the scale usually the more innacurate it becomes when dealing with small weights.
Quoting: Dillmiester

I’m working on a video...will come soon. Anyhow it would save me the trouble if you could
Come up we a simple experiment showing an opposite force due to pressure differential

Anyone know any free movie editing software?
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air.
Quoting: Balance242

Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
Quoting: Chip

Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
Quoting: Balance242

Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
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Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
Quoting: Chip

Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
Quoting: Balance242

Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
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Thanks. Will download tn. Hopefully it not a free download but have to pay to use it.
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Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
Quoting: Balance242

Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
Quoting: Balance242

Still want to see a bottle rocket in a huge vacuum
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Done.

And done.
[link to russianspaceweb.com]
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So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
Quoting: Balance242

Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
Quoting: Balance242

Still want to see a bottle rocket in a huge vacuum
Quoting: Wotsits

Done.

And done.
[link to russianspaceweb.com]
Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Like I said before, all I saw was a rocket against a blue sky
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Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
Quoting: Balance242

Still want to see a bottle rocket in a huge vacuum
Quoting: Wotsits

Done.

And done.
[link to russianspaceweb.com]
Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Like I said before, all I saw was a rocket against a blue sky
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That's because you're an idiot and you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing.
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How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
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you're a fucking dunce and you've wasted enough of my time. Make sure your 2 brain cells don't clatter together in that void you call a brain, you might find it disproves your theory.

Firing a starting pistol in space will still generate recoil fuckwit.

No, I said firing a bullet is not equivalent to a rocket, however firing a blank is.
Quoting: Balance242

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Prove it.
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So how does GPS work if they can't position satellites? If you look up in the sky at night you can even see them...

Adios dickhead.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
Quoting: Balance242

So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?

Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
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How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
Quoting: Dillmiester

This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum.

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How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
Quoting: Dillmiester

OP is definitely an FE. No doubt about it. He's also a no planer and a limo driver assassin believer.

He whack.

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So you are saying that in order for rockets to work in space, they need to be equipped with the de Laval nozzle, otherwise rockets not equipped with this nozzle will not work in space?
Quoting: Balance242

The De Laval convergent/divergent nozzle is not necessarily required to provide propulsion once in space, but it is required to overcome the combined forces of gravity and atmospheric drag to reach space.

The nozzle and its resultant supersonic acceleration was the factor that allows modern rockets to be able to accelerate their masses (of mostly fuel) to escape velocity.
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How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
Quoting: Dillmiester

This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum.

Quoting: Chip

So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum?
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Oh wait cause its gonna get sucked in by your vacuum cleaner? If it was a true vacuum how is it gonna get sucked by the vacuum cleaner, you would have to have air otherwise the motor is turning but nothing more is actually being removed so it couldnt draw any of that smoke or even move it, cause theres no air.

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How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
Quoting: Dillmiester

This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum.

Quoting: Chip

So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum?
Quoting: Balance242

"I don't give a tuppenny fuck about your moral conundrum, you meat-headed shit-sack." ~Bill the Butcher

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ~Arthur C. Clarke

"He's a nut-bag! Just because the fucker's got a library card doesn't make him Yoda!" ~David Mills ~ Se7en

"THE PLANET IS FINE! THE PEOPLE ARE FUCKED" ~George Carlin
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How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
Quoting: Dillmiester

This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum.

Quoting: Chip

So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum?
Quoting: Balance242

Quoting: Chip

How can the chamber be under vacuum if it is full of smoke. Vacuum= absence of matter Smoke= matter. The chamber is not under vacuum as the gases instantly pressurize the chamber even above atmosphere.

An experiment such that the chamber does not get pressurized is required.
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[link to profhorn.meteor.wisc.edu]

How com no one talks about this?

Pressure Gradient Force
Spray paint cans exhibit warning labels that the contents are under pressure. When the nozzle is squeezed, or the sides punctured, the large pressure difference between the air and the inside of the can forces the contents out of the can. Pressure differences exert a force and when not balanced by other forces cause movement. The force that results from pressure differences in a fluid such as our atmosphere is called the pressure force or the pressure gradient force. Air moves because of a pressure gradient force. The existence of a pressure gradient force is essential for sustaining winds.

The pressure gradient force (PG) always acts from high pressure towards low pressure. Its magnitude is equal to the pressure gradient, or the rate of change in pressure (D P) with distance (D) at a specific time divided by the air density (r ).

PG=

In the above formula, density is expressed in units of kilograms per cubic meter, distance is measured in meters, and pressure is expressed in pascals or newtons per square meter. To convert from millibars to pascals, multiple the number of millibars by 100 (i.e., 500 millibars equals 50,000 pascals). When pressure changes rapidly over a small distance, the pressure gradient force is large. Strong winds result from large pressure gradients.
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Vacuum has nothing to do with there being matter there certainely can be suspended if theres no gravity.

Also if you have say a ship in space that instantly opens a large door the air is forced out by its own pressure into the vaccum (interior at normal atmosphere pressure of earth) it doesnt actually get sucked out.

Oh you.
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Vacuum has nothing to do with there being matter there certainely can be suspended if theres no gravity.

Also if you have say a ship in space that instantly opens a large door the air is forced out by its own pressure into the vaccum (interior at normal atmosphere pressure of earth) it doesnt actually get sucked out.

Oh you.
Quoting: Dillmiester

Who's talking about suction.

The only proof that is needed to prove that rockets work in space is to show that there is an opposite reaction due to the pressure gradient force. So far no one has done this.
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