Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,446 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 746,860
Pageviews Today: 1,329,030Threads Today: 676Posts Today: 11,888
10:10 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Rockets need an atmosphere to propel

 
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 58876473
Canada
01/23/2019 05:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
He continually keeps avoiding giving any useful information about the test setup, even a simple picture that would expose the flaws in his experiment like the type of scale used which makes a huge difference if it isn't something like a precious metal scale, he only offers the fact that pennies weigh "approx 3 grams each".

The larger the scale usually the more innacurate it becomes when dealing with small weights.
 Quoting: Dillmiester


I’m working on a video...will come soon. Anyhow it would save me the trouble if you could
Come up we a simple experiment showing an opposite force due to pressure differential

Anyone know any free movie editing software?
Balance242
Wotsits

User ID: 77291193
United Kingdom
01/23/2019 05:33 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
[link to www.microsoft.com (secure)]

Movie maker
Frumpelstiltskin

User ID: 77177702
United States
01/23/2019 05:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air.
 Quoting: Balance242


Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
 Quoting: Chip


Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin


So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
 Quoting: Balance242


Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
--'-,{@
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 58876473
Canada
01/23/2019 05:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
...


Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft.
 Quoting: Chip


Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin


So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
 Quoting: Balance242


Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
Balance242
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 58876473
Canada
01/23/2019 05:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
 Quoting: Wotsits


Thanks. Will download tn. Hopefully it not a free download but have to pay to use it.
Balance242
Dr. Deplorable AstromutModerator
Senior Forum Moderator

01/23/2019 05:49 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
...


Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin


So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
 Quoting: Balance242


Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
 Quoting: Balance242


Still want to see a bottle rocket in a huge vacuum
 Quoting: Wotsits


Done.

And done.
[link to russianspaceweb.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

astrobanner2
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 58876473
Canada
01/23/2019 05:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
...


So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?
 Quoting: Balance242


Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
 Quoting: Balance242


Still want to see a bottle rocket in a huge vacuum
 Quoting: Wotsits


Done.

And done.
[link to russianspaceweb.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Like I said before, all I saw was a rocket against a blue sky
Balance242
Dr. Deplorable AstromutModerator
Senior Forum Moderator

01/23/2019 06:04 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
...


Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
 Quoting: Balance242


Still want to see a bottle rocket in a huge vacuum
 Quoting: Wotsits


Done.

And done.
[link to russianspaceweb.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Like I said before, all I saw was a rocket against a blue sky
 Quoting: Balance242


That's because you're an idiot and you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing.
astrobanner2
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 06:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel


How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
(*)(*)

User ID: 34231051
United Kingdom
01/23/2019 07:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
you're a fucking dunce and you've wasted enough of my time. Make sure your 2 brain cells don't clatter together in that void you call a brain, you might find it disproves your theory.

Firing a starting pistol in space will still generate recoil fuckwit.

No, I said firing a bullet is not equivalent to a rocket, however firing a blank is.
 Quoting: Balance242

 Quoting: (*)(*)


Prove it.
 Quoting: Balance242
(*)(*)

User ID: 34231051
United Kingdom
01/23/2019 07:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
So how does GPS work if they can't position satellites? If you look up in the sky at night you can even see them...

Adios dickhead.

It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity.
 Quoting: Balance242


So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof?


Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method.

Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space.
MaxTork

User ID: 72936933
United States
01/23/2019 08:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
So you are saying that in order for rockets to work in space, they need to be equipped with the de Laval nozzle, otherwise rockets not equipped with this nozzle will not work in space?
 Quoting: Balance242


The De Laval convergent/divergent nozzle is not necessarily required to provide propulsion once in space, but it is required to overcome the combined forces of gravity and atmospheric drag to reach space.

The nozzle and its resultant supersonic acceleration was the factor that allows modern rockets to be able to accelerate their masses (of mostly fuel) to escape velocity.
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 09:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel


How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
 Quoting: Dillmiester


This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum.

jay
 Quoting: Chip


So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum?
Balance242
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 09:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Oh wait cause its gonna get sucked in by your vacuum cleaner? If it was a true vacuum how is it gonna get sucked by the vacuum cleaner, you would have to have air otherwise the motor is turning but nothing more is actually being removed so it couldnt draw any of that smoke or even move it, cause theres no air.

Last Edited by Dillmiester on 01/23/2019 09:27 PM
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 10:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel


How many PSI of force is on your tube?

You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers.

Things that make you go hmmm?
 Quoting: Dillmiester


This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum.

jay
 Quoting: Chip


So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum?
 Quoting: Balance242


saganwhat
 Quoting: Chip


How can the chamber be under vacuum if it is full of smoke. Vacuum= absence of matter Smoke= matter. The chamber is not under vacuum as the gases instantly pressurize the chamber even above atmosphere.

An experiment such that the chamber does not get pressurized is required.
Balance242
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 10:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
[link to profhorn.meteor.wisc.edu]

How com no one talks about this?

Pressure Gradient Force
Spray paint cans exhibit warning labels that the contents are under pressure. When the nozzle is squeezed, or the sides punctured, the large pressure difference between the air and the inside of the can forces the contents out of the can. Pressure differences exert a force and when not balanced by other forces cause movement. The force that results from pressure differences in a fluid such as our atmosphere is called the pressure force or the pressure gradient force. Air moves because of a pressure gradient force. The existence of a pressure gradient force is essential for sustaining winds.

The pressure gradient force (PG) always acts from high pressure towards low pressure. Its magnitude is equal to the pressure gradient, or the rate of change in pressure (D P) with distance (D) at a specific time divided by the air density (r ).

PG=


In the above formula, density is expressed in units of kilograms per cubic meter, distance is measured in meters, and pressure is expressed in pascals or newtons per square meter. To convert from millibars to pascals, multiple the number of millibars by 100 (i.e., 500 millibars equals 50,000 pascals). When pressure changes rapidly over a small distance, the pressure gradient force is large. Strong winds result from large pressure gradients.
Balance242
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 10:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Vacuum has nothing to do with there being matter there certainely can be suspended if theres no gravity.

Also if you have say a ship in space that instantly opens a large door the air is forced out by its own pressure into the vaccum (interior at normal atmosphere pressure of earth) it doesnt actually get sucked out.

Oh you.
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 10:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Vacuum has nothing to do with there being matter there certainely can be suspended if theres no gravity.

Also if you have say a ship in space that instantly opens a large door the air is forced out by its own pressure into the vaccum (interior at normal atmosphere pressure of earth) it doesnt actually get sucked out.

Oh you.
 Quoting: Dillmiester


Who's talking about suction.

The only proof that is needed to prove that rockets work in space is to show that there is an opposite reaction due to the pressure gradient force. So far no one has done this.
Balance242
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 10:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one.
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 10:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one.
 Quoting: Dillmiester


I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space?
Balance242
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 10:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Well that has to be where your wrong is assuming it needs pressure to push against (if it were it be its own exhaust) it doesnt need anything to push against to drive it just like in the tube because the amount of exhaust gases that it is producing is miniscule to the air mass in that box.
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 11:06 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel


So when wind blows on your back, did the air in front of you push on your face when is moved away from you?
Balance242
Frumpelstiltskin

User ID: 77177702
United States
01/23/2019 11:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one.
 Quoting: Dillmiester


I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space?
 Quoting: Balance242


It doesn't have to, you dingus.

"Rocket thrust results from the high speed ejection of material and does not require any medium to "push against". Conservation of momentum dictates that if material is ejected backward, the forward momentum of the remaining rocket must increase since an isolated system cannot change its net momentum"

[link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu]

It's not a gas diffusing in a vacuum, dummy. It's forcefully ejected matter. Just like a bullet, just like a man throwing a bowling ball. It cannot be made any simpler.

Last Edited by Frumpelstiltskin on 01/23/2019 11:12 PM
--'-,{@
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 11:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one.
 Quoting: Dillmiester


I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space?
 Quoting: Balance242


It doesn't have to, you dingus.

"Rocket thrust results from the high speed ejection of material and does not require any medium to "push against". Conservation of momentum dictates that if material is ejected backward, the forward momentum of the remaining rocket must increase since an isolated system cannot change its net momentum"

[link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu]

It's not a gas diffusing in a vacuum, dummy. It's forcefully ejected matter. Just like a bullet, just like a man throwing a bowling ball. It cannot be made any simpler.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin


How does the rocket forcefully eject it?
Balance242
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 11:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Let me try to explain it simpler, honestly this has taught me alot as well looking at information, and differing explanations It seems to be the mechanical action of it literally throwing the fuel out think of it as the rocket is grabbing on internally as its moving out the machine, all while loosing mass in the process. By burning it can expel of that fuel much faster thats why velocity plays a big part. Its sliding along its own fuel column. Like what happens when you let go of a hose is it water pushing against the air?

[link to www.straightdope.com (secure)]
Frumpelstiltskin

User ID: 77177702
United States
01/23/2019 11:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Here's a real world experiment that you can do on your own: Punch a punching bag. According to you, you should either feel no resistance and it should fly across the room, or the resistance that you feel is solely due to the air resistance against the bag as is moves. Both are ridiculous, as are you.
--'-,{@
Balance242  (OP)

User ID: 76708078
Canada
01/23/2019 11:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Here's a real world experiment that you can do on your own: Punch a punching bag. According to you, you should either feel no resistance and it should fly across the room, or the resistance that you feel is solely due to the air resistance against the bag as is moves. Both are ridiculous, as are you.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin


Punching a bag is not the same thing as gas moving due to pressure differential. Just like punching a bag isn’t the same as movement due to gravity
Balance242
Frumpelstiltskin

User ID: 77177702
United States
01/23/2019 11:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one.
 Quoting: Dillmiester


I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space?
 Quoting: Balance242


It doesn't have to, you dingus.

"Rocket thrust results from the high speed ejection of material and does not require any medium to "push against". Conservation of momentum dictates that if material is ejected backward, the forward momentum of the remaining rocket must increase since an isolated system cannot change its net momentum"

[link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu]

It's not a gas diffusing in a vacuum, dummy. It's forcefully ejected matter. Just like a bullet, just like a man throwing a bowling ball. It cannot be made any simpler.
 Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin


How does the rocket forcefully eject it?
 Quoting: Balance242


Through the exhaust nozzle.
--'-,{@
Dillmiester

User ID: 77154896
United States
01/23/2019 11:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
The garden hose experiment shows it needs no AIR pressure,

gradient/differential/backflow whatever you want to insert there.
Frumpelstiltskin

User ID: 77177702
United States
01/23/2019 11:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
I think the problem is that you don't seem to realize that gasses have mass, and you don't understand the relationship between mass, velocity, and momentum.
--'-,{@