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Rockets need an atmosphere to propel

 
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
The rocket goes horizontal and it is not evidence that the rocket was thrusting in space. Your other video is a simulation, which is not evidence of reality. The only evidence you have is full of Controversy and questions
 Quoting: Balance242


The world has fucked you so hard and deep that your mind has malfunctioned. It's all down in the shitz because you can't make sense of the world. So you force your 5 mile by 5 mile existence to encompass everything. If you could...you'd draw your conclusions with crayons and use firecrackers for a dramatic effect. Hahaha!

Classical case of intellectual myopia.

It started with compressed video's hiding shit you thought was there! The compression distorts data heavily (godamn MPEGS) Lolol . And now.....NOTHING IS REAL!!!! NEVER WAS!!!!!!

It's so sad...but also so fucking funny.

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hory shizah,

did Chip just call out astromut?





6-pack for me tonight, and if i see anyone here at the store i'll buy u one too.

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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
The rocket goes horizontal and it is not evidence that the rocket was thrusting in space. Your other video is a simulation, which is not evidence of reality. The only evidence you have is full of Controversy and questions
 Quoting: Balance242


The world has fucked you so hard and deep that your mind has malfunctioned. It's all down in the shitz because you can't make sense of the world. So you force your 5 mile by 5 mile existence to encompass everything. If you could...you'd draw your conclusions with crayons and use firecrackers for a dramatic effect. Hahaha!

Classical case of intellectual myopia.

It started with compressed video's hiding shit you thought was there! The compression distorts data heavily (godamn MPEGS) Lolol . And now.....NOTHING IS REAL!!!! NEVER WAS!!!!!!

It's so sad...but also so fucking funny.

dafoesmile
 Quoting: Chip


hory shizah,

did Chip just call out astromut?





6-pack for me tonight, and if i see anyone here at the store i'll buy u one too.

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putin
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hahaha...

See?

Makes sense from both sides, still makes sense after u *edited* your post to be responding to OP rather than astromut lol.

you are right, it absolutely is Funny as f*ck...

Not just OPs position, not just astromut's or anyone else's here...

every last bit of it.

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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work.
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The rocket goes horizontal and it is not evidence that the rocket was thrusting in space.
 Quoting: Balance242

That's how you get to orbit. The fact it turns around, nulls its horizontal velocity and then comes back to land next to where it started proves very much that it did indeed have thrust in space.

Your other video is a simulation, which is not evidence of reality.
 Quoting: Idiot

The other video is an open source simulation, an in silico experiment based on very simple physics. The source code is right there, so if there's something wrong with it, it's up to you to show where.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


What if it never went to space and just came back down?
 Quoting: Balance242


Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it.
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I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did
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I have the distinct impression that they don't teach science and physics anymore...
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work.
 Quoting: (*)(*)


No the exhaust wouldn’t be able to push off the the other exhaust as all the exhaust is moving in one direction. This is also disproven by the pipe experiment
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I have the distinct impression that they don't teach science and physics anymore...
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i've actually found with remarkable consistency it's the ones who pursue those areas of knowledge furthest who end up asking the most questions about them, in the end.


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:wat:

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wat

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these images and the quotes at the bottom of your post seem to be in absolute contradiction of each other.

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The internet depends greatly on satellites, which work and maneuver just fine in the vacuum of space.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work.
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waitwhat It has nothing to do with gases pushing against other gases. It has to do with pressure increasing from sub sonic to trans sonic as it is constricted going through the nozzle building pressure perpendicular to the longitude of escaping gasses. That force convert on the walls of the constricting device to propel the vehicle forward since it can't go back into the combustion chamber. It only has one way to escape... Out the back and that differential pressure force pushes the vehicle forward. hf
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It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work.
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waitwhat It has nothing to do with gases pushing against other gases. It has to do with pressure increasing from sub sonic to trans sonic as it is constricted going through the nozzle building pressure perpendicular to the longitude of escaping gasses. That force convert on the walls of the constricting device to propel the vehicle forward since it can't go back into the combustion chamber. It only has one way to escape... Out the back and that differential pressure force pushes the vehicle forward. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


So you are saying that a rocket can only work in space with a nozzle?
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
You're full of shit dude. I've argued against people like you for years. Not going to educate you too. Please understand physics and the de Laval nozzle before making such baseless claims. Heck, even myth busters proved you and your ilk are full of shit. hf
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So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle?
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No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design.hf
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You're full of shit dude. I've argued against people like you for years. Not going to educate you too. Please understand physics and the de Laval nozzle before making such baseless claims. Heck, even myth busters proved you and your ilk are full of shit. hf
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So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle?
 Quoting: Balance242

No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design.hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


No thrust seen on the scale in the pipe experiment. Make your experiment to prove your claim.
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I love this shit. People like you believe the prop (or more correctly the screw), pushes a ship through the water. You couldn't be more wrong. It is the thrust bearing propelling a ship. The screw only gives it kinetic energy. hf
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I love this shit. People like you believe the prop (or more correctly the screw), pushes a ship through the water. You couldn't be more wrong. It is the thrust bearing propelling a ship. The screw only gives it kinetic energy. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Like propellers pushing the air or the card or Ground? Of course it pushes the propeller pushes the water. Reality proves all and exposes lies.


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I love this shit. People like you believe the prop (or more correctly the screw), pushes a ship through the water. You couldn't be more wrong. It is the thrust bearing propelling a ship. The screw only gives it kinetic energy. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Like propellers pushing the air or the card or Ground? Of course it pushes the propeller pushes the water. Reality proves all and exposes lies.


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You're full of shit dude. I've argued against people like you for years. Not going to educate you too. Please understand physics and the de Laval nozzle before making such baseless claims. Heck, even myth busters proved you and your ilk are full of shit. hf
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 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle?
 Quoting: Balance242

No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design.hf
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No thrust seen on the scale in the pipe experiment. Make your experiment to prove your claim.
 Quoting: Balance242

No need to make an experiment for you as I've been designing rocket engines before you were born I bet. I worked under Goddard's tutelage, can you say the same? hf
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So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle?
 Quoting: Balance242

No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design.hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


No thrust seen on the scale in the pipe experiment. Make your experiment to prove your claim.
 Quoting: Balance242

No need to make an experiment for you as I've been designing rocket engines before you were born I bet. I worked under Goddard's tutelage, can you say the same? hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Oh ok. So I should just take your word for it?
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Yes fuckwit.

No the exhaust wouldn’t be able to push off the the other exhaust as all the exhaust is moving in one direction. This is also disproven by the pipe experiment
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Yes fuckwit.

No the exhaust wouldn’t be able to push off the the other exhaust as all the exhaust is moving in one direction. This is also disproven by the pipe experiment
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Well observation doesn’t show it, so no.
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It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Well observation doesn’t show it, so no.
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No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it!
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Yep. Ironclad proof that space is faked. The Earth is a flat/enclosed system.

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That's how you get to orbit. The fact it turns around, nulls its horizontal velocity and then comes back to land next to where it started proves very much that it did indeed have thrust in space.

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The other video is an open source simulation, an in silico experiment based on very simple physics. The source code is right there, so if there's something wrong with it, it's up to you to show where.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


What if it never went to space and just came back down?
 Quoting: Balance242


Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did
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No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot.

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What if it never went to space and just came back down?
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Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did
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No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


All I see is the rocket in the blue sky. I don’t see a rocket in space.
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What if it never went to space and just came back down?
 Quoting: Balance242


Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did
 Quoting: Balance242

No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Astromut. Thanks for trying to enlighten these retards but I’m afraid you are wasting your breath. They are either extremely stupid, in which case they will never understand or they are shills, in which case you are still wasting your time.
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No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it!
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You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the futurehf
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No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it!
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You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the futurehf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Education could sure be better. People should think critically and understand concepts instead of parroting information from NASA.
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Re: Rockets need an atmosphere to propel
Wrong.

The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill.





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