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.Rest. User ID: 76853663 United States 01/22/2019 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The rocket goes horizontal and it is not evidence that the rocket was thrusting in space. Your other video is a simulation, which is not evidence of reality. The only evidence you have is full of Controversy and questions Quoting: Balance242 The world has fucked you so hard and deep that your mind has malfunctioned. It's all down in the shitz because you can't make sense of the world. So you force your 5 mile by 5 mile existence to encompass everything. If you could...you'd draw your conclusions with crayons and use firecrackers for a dramatic effect. Hahaha! Classical case of intellectual myopia. It started with compressed video's hiding shit you thought was there! The compression distorts data heavily (godamn MPEGS) Lolol . And now.....NOTHING IS REAL!!!! NEVER WAS!!!!!! It's so sad...but also so fucking funny. hory shizah, did Chip just call out astromut? 6-pack for me tonight, and if i see anyone here at the store i'll buy u one too. . Last Edited by .Rest. on 01/22/2019 06:00 PM . . . . . Dragonchain |
.Rest. User ID: 76853663 United States 01/22/2019 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The rocket goes horizontal and it is not evidence that the rocket was thrusting in space. Your other video is a simulation, which is not evidence of reality. The only evidence you have is full of Controversy and questions Quoting: Balance242 The world has fucked you so hard and deep that your mind has malfunctioned. It's all down in the shitz because you can't make sense of the world. So you force your 5 mile by 5 mile existence to encompass everything. If you could...you'd draw your conclusions with crayons and use firecrackers for a dramatic effect. Hahaha! Classical case of intellectual myopia. It started with compressed video's hiding shit you thought was there! The compression distorts data heavily (godamn MPEGS) Lolol . And now.....NOTHING IS REAL!!!! NEVER WAS!!!!!! It's so sad...but also so fucking funny. hory shizah, did Chip just call out astromut? 6-pack for me tonight, and if i see anyone here at the store i'll buy u one too. . hahaha... See? Makes sense from both sides, still makes sense after u *edited* your post to be responding to OP rather than astromut lol. you are right, it absolutely is Funny as f*ck... Not just OPs position, not just astromut's or anyone else's here... every last bit of it. Last Edited by .Rest. on 01/22/2019 06:33 PM . . . . . Dragonchain |
(*)(*) User ID: 34231051 United Kingdom 01/22/2019 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The rocket goes horizontal and it is not evidence that the rocket was thrusting in space. Quoting: Balance242 That's how you get to orbit. The fact it turns around, nulls its horizontal velocity and then comes back to land next to where it started proves very much that it did indeed have thrust in space. Your other video is a simulation, which is not evidence of reality. Quoting: IdiotThe other video is an open source simulation, an in silico experiment based on very simple physics. The source code is right there, so if there's something wrong with it, it's up to you to show where. What if it never went to space and just came back down? Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it. I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did Balance242 |
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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work. Quoting: (*)(*) No the exhaust wouldn’t be able to push off the the other exhaust as all the exhaust is moving in one direction. This is also disproven by the pipe experiment Balance242 |
.Rest. User ID: 76853663 United States 01/22/2019 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have the distinct impression that they don't teach science and physics anymore... Quoting: hotdogg i've actually found with remarkable consistency it's the ones who pursue those areas of knowledge furthest who end up asking the most questions about them, in the end. . Last Edited by .Rest. on 01/22/2019 06:41 PM . . . . . Dragonchain |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77305190 United States 01/22/2019 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work. Quoting: (*)(*) It has nothing to do with gases pushing against other gases. It has to do with pressure increasing from sub sonic to trans sonic as it is constricted going through the nozzle building pressure perpendicular to the longitude of escaping gasses. That force convert on the walls of the constricting device to propel the vehicle forward since it can't go back into the combustion chamber. It only has one way to escape... Out the back and that differential pressure force pushes the vehicle forward. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's because the gas expelled from rocket is pushing against other gas expelled from the rocket. It's like 2 people falling off a cliff, you can push against him as you both fall and you'll be able to influence your vertical position. Even in a vacuum this would still work. Quoting: (*)(*) It has nothing to do with gases pushing against other gases. It has to do with pressure increasing from sub sonic to trans sonic as it is constricted going through the nozzle building pressure perpendicular to the longitude of escaping gasses. That force convert on the walls of the constricting device to propel the vehicle forward since it can't go back into the combustion chamber. It only has one way to escape... Out the back and that differential pressure force pushes the vehicle forward. So you are saying that a rocket can only work in space with a nozzle? Balance242 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77305190 United States 01/22/2019 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're full of shit dude. I've argued against people like you for years. Not going to educate you too. Please understand physics and the de Laval nozzle before making such baseless claims. Heck, even myth busters proved you and your ilk are full of shit. Quoting: Seeker of Truth [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle? No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're full of shit dude. I've argued against people like you for years. Not going to educate you too. Please understand physics and the de Laval nozzle before making such baseless claims. Heck, even myth busters proved you and your ilk are full of shit. Quoting: Seeker of Truth [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle? No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design. No thrust seen on the scale in the pipe experiment. Make your experiment to prove your claim. Balance242 |
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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love this shit. People like you believe the prop (or more correctly the screw), pushes a ship through the water. You couldn't be more wrong. It is the thrust bearing propelling a ship. The screw only gives it kinetic energy. Quoting: Seeker of Truth Like propellers pushing the air or the card or Ground? Of course it pushes the propeller pushes the water. Reality proves all and exposes lies. Balance242 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love this shit. People like you believe the prop (or more correctly the screw), pushes a ship through the water. You couldn't be more wrong. It is the thrust bearing propelling a ship. The screw only gives it kinetic energy. Quoting: Seeker of Truth Like propellers pushing the air or the card or Ground? Of course it pushes the propeller pushes the water. Reality proves all and exposes lies. [link to m.youtube.com (secure)] YouTube embed not working? Balance242 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77305190 United States 01/22/2019 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're full of shit dude. I've argued against people like you for years. Not going to educate you too. Please understand physics and the de Laval nozzle before making such baseless claims. Heck, even myth busters proved you and your ilk are full of shit. Quoting: Seeker of Truth [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle? No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design. No thrust seen on the scale in the pipe experiment. Make your experiment to prove your claim. No need to make an experiment for you as I've been designing rocket engines before you were born I bet. I worked under Goddard's tutelage, can you say the same? |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 So you’re saying that rockets only work in space because of the de_laval nozzle? No not at all but the throttle-body takes center stage in any pressure gradient experienced by escaping gasses. Everything else is mathematically negligent in rocket thruster design, except if you're talking about ion propulsion, and even that is taken into account, although our engines still haven't perfect the optimum design. No thrust seen on the scale in the pipe experiment. Make your experiment to prove your claim. No need to make an experiment for you as I've been designing rocket engines before you were born I bet. I worked under Goddard's tutelage, can you say the same? Oh ok. So I should just take your word for it? Balance242 |
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Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 01/22/2019 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut That's how you get to orbit. The fact it turns around, nulls its horizontal velocity and then comes back to land next to where it started proves very much that it did indeed have thrust in space. ... The other video is an open source simulation, an in silico experiment based on very simple physics. The source code is right there, so if there's something wrong with it, it's up to you to show where. What if it never went to space and just came back down? Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it. I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot. Last Edited by Astromut on 01/22/2019 07:56 PM |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it. I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot. All I see is the rocket in the blue sky. I don’t see a rocket in space. Balance242 |
Kodiak Island User ID: 73036273 United States 01/22/2019 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, thanks for proving you didn't even watch the damn video. You're willfully ignorant, you're not even looking at what I'm showing. You really don't get it. I didn’t see the rocket go into space on the actual footage. You’re just saying they did No, you didn't watch the damn video, you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing you. I wasn't even talking about the second stage of the rocket or the fact that I did track it in space with another telescope. That WASN'T EVEN MY ARGUMENT! THE ENTIRE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS ABOUT THE PART THAT DID COME BACK FROM SPACE YOU FUCKING MORON! You've completely proven you're not interested in the truth and you're not willing to examine the evidence. You're a willful idiot. Astromut. Thanks for trying to enlighten these retards but I’m afraid you are wasting your breath. They are either extremely stupid, in which case they will never understand or they are shills, in which case you are still wasting your time. Kodiak |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77305190 United States 01/22/2019 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it! Quoting: Kodiak Island You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the future |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/22/2019 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one is this stupid. Has to be a troll to waste our time and you guys are eating it up. Stop doing it! Quoting: Kodiak Island You're totally correct. My first post to this thread was about not wanting to reeducate another- glp wanna be rocket scientist- to the reality of current design and the physics and math backing it up. I failed myself in that regard but I gotta defend my trade and background. I will say though, It takes a lot to beat the stupid out of some of these publicly educated Alabama students. Just goes to show you far we've been failing in educating our youth. Get rid of the pc classes and get back to basics I say , orelse we might be fucked headed into the future Education could sure be better. People should think critically and understand concepts instead of parroting information from NASA. Balance242 |
Remedial_Rebel User ID: 77275768 United States 01/22/2019 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut The booster rockets completely null their horizontal velocity while in space and then come back to land at the launch site. Ergo, rockets do not need an atmosphere to propel themselves. Do not accuse this footage of being fake. I filmed it myself. Hey Dr. Astromut, any chance you can trace OP's IP. He joined 1/3/2019. $10 says he's a shill. |