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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 58876473 Canada 01/23/2019 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He continually keeps avoiding giving any useful information about the test setup, even a simple picture that would expose the flaws in his experiment like the type of scale used which makes a huge difference if it isn't something like a precious metal scale, he only offers the fact that pennies weigh "approx 3 grams each". Quoting: Dillmiester The larger the scale usually the more innacurate it becomes when dealing with small weights. I’m working on a video...will come soon. Anyhow it would save me the trouble if you could Come up we a simple experiment showing an opposite force due to pressure differential Anyone know any free movie editing software? Balance242 |
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Frumpelstiltskin User ID: 77177702 United States 01/23/2019 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No it’s not. Pressure builds up between the gun chamber and bullet. Pressure pushes the bullet and gun. Like a compressed spring between two blocks. When the spring uncompresses, the spring pushes off both the blocks. A rocket is like a compressed spring attached to only one block. When the spring uncompressed, the spring only pushes the block as much as it pushes the air. Quoting: Balance242 Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft. Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept. It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity. So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof? Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method. --'-,{@ |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 58876473 Canada 01/23/2019 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chip Matter to push off from is not necessary when there is an explosion. The explosion is what causes the object to propel. The controlled directional explosion moves the craft. Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept. It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity. So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof? Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method. Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space. Balance242 |
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Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 01/23/2019 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin Yes, just think of the exhaust particles as tiny "bullets" if that helps your tiny mind grasp the concept. It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity. So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof? Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method. Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space. Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 58876473 Canada 01/23/2019 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Balance242 So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof? Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method. Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space. Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut Like I said before, all I saw was a rocket against a blue sky Balance242 |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 01/23/2019 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method. Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space. Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut Like I said before, all I saw was a rocket against a blue sky That's because you're an idiot and you're not even paying attention to what I'm showing. |
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(*)(*) User ID: 34231051 United Kingdom 01/23/2019 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you're a fucking dunce and you've wasted enough of my time. Make sure your 2 brain cells don't clatter together in that void you call a brain, you might find it disproves your theory. |
(*)(*) User ID: 34231051 United Kingdom 01/23/2019 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adios dickhead. It's not just "pressure", matter is being ejected from the rocket at high velocity. Quoting: Balance242 So I should ignore science and believe you, who has provided no demonstrative proof? Ignoring science seems to be your forte, but no, don't just take my word for it. I'd suggest an introductory course on logic and a thorough review of the scientific method. Like forming a hypothesis and using experiment to prove the hypothesis? So far I’ve seen no real science from the people who claim rockets work in space. |
MaxTork User ID: 72936933 United States 01/23/2019 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So you are saying that in order for rockets to work in space, they need to be equipped with the de Laval nozzle, otherwise rockets not equipped with this nozzle will not work in space? Quoting: Balance242 The De Laval convergent/divergent nozzle is not necessarily required to provide propulsion once in space, but it is required to overcome the combined forces of gravity and atmospheric drag to reach space. The nozzle and its resultant supersonic acceleration was the factor that allows modern rockets to be able to accelerate their masses (of mostly fuel) to escape velocity. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/23/2019 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many PSI of force is on your tube? You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers. Things that make you go hmmm? This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum. So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum? Balance242 |
Dillmiester User ID: 77154896 United States 01/23/2019 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh wait cause its gonna get sucked in by your vacuum cleaner? If it was a true vacuum how is it gonna get sucked by the vacuum cleaner, you would have to have air otherwise the motor is turning but nothing more is actually being removed so it couldnt draw any of that smoke or even move it, cause theres no air. Last Edited by Dillmiester on 01/23/2019 09:27 PM |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/23/2019 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many PSI of force is on your tube? You know whats really interesting is that almost all the rocket/vacuum debunking videos on youtube are from flat earthers. Things that make you go hmmm? This video just fist fucked op. He's gonna need reconstructive surgery on his rectum. So you think a chamber full of smoke is a vacuum? How can the chamber be under vacuum if it is full of smoke. Vacuum= absence of matter Smoke= matter. The chamber is not under vacuum as the gases instantly pressurize the chamber even above atmosphere. An experiment such that the chamber does not get pressurized is required. Balance242 |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/23/2019 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How com no one talks about this? Pressure Gradient Force Spray paint cans exhibit warning labels that the contents are under pressure. When the nozzle is squeezed, or the sides punctured, the large pressure difference between the air and the inside of the can forces the contents out of the can. Pressure differences exert a force and when not balanced by other forces cause movement. The force that results from pressure differences in a fluid such as our atmosphere is called the pressure force or the pressure gradient force. Air moves because of a pressure gradient force. The existence of a pressure gradient force is essential for sustaining winds. The pressure gradient force (PG) always acts from high pressure towards low pressure. Its magnitude is equal to the pressure gradient, or the rate of change in pressure (D P) with distance (D) at a specific time divided by the air density (r ). PG= In the above formula, density is expressed in units of kilograms per cubic meter, distance is measured in meters, and pressure is expressed in pascals or newtons per square meter. To convert from millibars to pascals, multiple the number of millibars by 100 (i.e., 500 millibars equals 50,000 pascals). When pressure changes rapidly over a small distance, the pressure gradient force is large. Strong winds result from large pressure gradients. Balance242 |
Dillmiester User ID: 77154896 United States 01/23/2019 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vacuum has nothing to do with there being matter there certainely can be suspended if theres no gravity. Also if you have say a ship in space that instantly opens a large door the air is forced out by its own pressure into the vaccum (interior at normal atmosphere pressure of earth) it doesnt actually get sucked out. Oh you. |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/23/2019 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vacuum has nothing to do with there being matter there certainely can be suspended if theres no gravity. Quoting: Dillmiester Also if you have say a ship in space that instantly opens a large door the air is forced out by its own pressure into the vaccum (interior at normal atmosphere pressure of earth) it doesnt actually get sucked out. Oh you. Who's talking about suction. The only proof that is needed to prove that rockets work in space is to show that there is an opposite reaction due to the pressure gradient force. So far no one has done this. Balance242 |
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Frumpelstiltskin User ID: 77177702 United States 01/23/2019 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one. Quoting: Dillmiester I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space? It doesn't have to, you dingus. "Rocket thrust results from the high speed ejection of material and does not require any medium to "push against". Conservation of momentum dictates that if material is ejected backward, the forward momentum of the remaining rocket must increase since an isolated system cannot change its net momentum" [link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu] It's not a gas diffusing in a vacuum, dummy. It's forcefully ejected matter. Just like a bullet, just like a man throwing a bowling ball. It cannot be made any simpler. Last Edited by Frumpelstiltskin on 01/23/2019 11:12 PM --'-,{@ |
Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/23/2019 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one. Quoting: Dillmiester I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space? It doesn't have to, you dingus. "Rocket thrust results from the high speed ejection of material and does not require any medium to "push against". Conservation of momentum dictates that if material is ejected backward, the forward momentum of the remaining rocket must increase since an isolated system cannot change its net momentum" [link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu] It's not a gas diffusing in a vacuum, dummy. It's forcefully ejected matter. Just like a bullet, just like a man throwing a bowling ball. It cannot be made any simpler. How does the rocket forcefully eject it? Balance242 |
Dillmiester User ID: 77154896 United States 01/23/2019 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me try to explain it simpler, honestly this has taught me alot as well looking at information, and differing explanations It seems to be the mechanical action of it literally throwing the fuel out think of it as the rocket is grabbing on internally as its moving out the machine, all while loosing mass in the process. By burning it can expel of that fuel much faster thats why velocity plays a big part. Its sliding along its own fuel column. Like what happens when you let go of a hose is it water pushing against the air? [link to www.straightdope.com (secure)] |
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Balance242 (OP) User ID: 76708078 Canada 01/23/2019 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a real world experiment that you can do on your own: Punch a punching bag. According to you, you should either feel no resistance and it should fly across the room, or the resistance that you feel is solely due to the air resistance against the bag as is moves. Both are ridiculous, as are you. Quoting: Frumpelstiltskin Punching a bag is not the same thing as gas moving due to pressure differential. Just like punching a bag isn’t the same as movement due to gravity Balance242 |
Frumpelstiltskin User ID: 77177702 United States 01/23/2019 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently you because where is the smoke gonna go in the tube or in space either one. Quoting: Dillmiester I'm pretty sure they space is very large. Much larger than that container. Do you think a rocket can pressurize space? It doesn't have to, you dingus. "Rocket thrust results from the high speed ejection of material and does not require any medium to "push against". Conservation of momentum dictates that if material is ejected backward, the forward momentum of the remaining rocket must increase since an isolated system cannot change its net momentum" [link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu] It's not a gas diffusing in a vacuum, dummy. It's forcefully ejected matter. Just like a bullet, just like a man throwing a bowling ball. It cannot be made any simpler. How does the rocket forcefully eject it? Through the exhaust nozzle. --'-,{@ |
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