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The US Special Representative ELLIOT ABRAMS for #Venezuela will lead "a US government delegation to accompany humanitarian supplies to be transported from Florida to Colombia by military aircraft,

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Will he coordinate the mission...

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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf

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The US Special Representative ELLIOT ABRAMS for #Venezuela will lead "a US government delegation to accompany humanitarian supplies to be transported from Florida to Colombia by military aircraft,

SEE THE TRANSCRIPT

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Will he coordinate the mission...

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WOW, how will this end???

Doom weekend.
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********* CUBA HAS ORDERED ITS MILITARY TO WAR ALERT ******
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So what are they gonna do? Attack us with blow up rafts and burn us with cigars? They already sent us Marco Rubio isn’t that bad enough.
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The US Special Representative ELLIOT ABRAMS for #Venezuela will lead "a US government delegation to accompany humanitarian supplies to be transported from Florida to Colombia by military aircraft,

SEE THE TRANSCRIPT

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Will he coordinate the mission...

hidinghiding
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GET READY FOR A DIRTY MISSION

Elliot Abrams is reponsable for the Deadsquads role in the human rights violations that occurred in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the 1980s ( lefts thousands of dead civilians ...in his missions )

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Maduro thugs shooting at women and children.

He crossed US red line.

Now he will die .
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Says the wanker with more red than a communist flag..
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We’re expecting a statement from @POTUS soon (who is right now in Oval Office) on #Venezuela and it is expected he might recognize opposition leader @jguaido as the South American country’s legitimate leader

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Breaking: VENEZUELAN VP SAYS THAT THE REGIME WILL DEFEND THE COUNTRY AGAINST UNITED STATES UNTIL THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD
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#BREAKING: U.S. says "all options are on the table" if Nicolás Maduro in anyway harms opposition leader Juan Guaidó or any members of the National Assembly-

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Trump Likes 'Beautiful' Border Walls - Venezuela Should Build Him One

By Moon Of Alabama

February 21, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - Aaron Mate, who is currently on the ground in Venezuela (vid), notes how Trump early on targeted Venezuela:

Aaron Maté @aaronjmate - 20:59 utc - 18 Feb 2019

Page 136 of McCabe's new book, recounting a 2017 Oval Office meeting: "Then the president talked about Venezuela. That’s the country we should be going to war with, he said. They have all that oil and they’re right on our back door."

It is not only Trump's idea to 'regime change' Venezuela. Ever since 1998, when Hugo Chavez was elected, the U.S. plotted to 'regime change' Venezuela. It was Obama who put sanctions on the country. Right wing economists have for years thought up detailed plans on how to rob Venezuela of its national assets.

Plan A for the recent coup attempt failed when the Venezuelan military did not accept Random Guyido's brazen claim to the presidency. There was no plan B. The U.S. is now improvising. The delivery of "humanitarian aid" is a pretext to break the border between Colombia and Venezuela.

U.S. government "aid" is always political. U.S. aid workers are suspects. Consider these USAID RED teams which a 2018 study, commissioned by the U.S. foreign aid agency, recommended:

RED Team officers, the report explains, would carry out development activities, but they would also have training and expertise that are not typically included in USAID job requirements.

“RED Team personnel would be able to live and work in austere environments for extended periods of time and actively contribute to their own security and welfare. They would be deployed farther forward than USAID personnel traditionally deploy and would routinely operate under the authority of the host agency with whom they deploy, acting in accordance with their security posture,” the report reads.

“RED team members would be trained and authorized to conduct themselves as a force-multiplier able to contribute a full suite of security skills as needed,” it says.

USAID officers will also be special forces? Special forces will also be USAID workers? Which is it? How many of these 'Red Teams' are now in Colombia waiting to cross into Venezuela?

On Saturday February 23 a breach of the Venezuelan border will be attempted with the intent to provoke an escalation. That escalation will then be used to justify further action up to military strikes or even an invasion.

How exactly the game will be played out is still not clear:

Despite the tough language, it remained unclear how the Venezuelan opposition would break Mr. Maduro’s blockade of the border with a delivery of food and medication on Saturday. Mr. Trump’s own national security adviser said the American military — which has airlifted tons of supplies to Venezuela’s doorstep on the Colombia border — will not cross into the country.
The so called "aid" is also supposed to come via sea and through the border with Brazil. To prevent that Venezuela closed down the maritime border with the Dutch Caribbean Islands:

The closure blocks movement of boats and aircraft between the western Venezuelan coastal state of Falcon and the islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, said Vice Admiral Vladimir Quintero, who heads a military unit in Falcon. He did not provide a reason.

The Brazil route is for now too remote for the desired media attention.

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So what are they gonna do? Attack us with blow up rafts and burn us with cigars? They already sent us Marco Rubio isn’t that bad enough.
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It's all optics and chess moves mate, no one is worried about Cuba's military leaving the toilet light on overnight so they don't piss on their boots ...
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if usa want help venezuela . is best lift sanction ... marcket are full of food
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It was Syria , Ukraine and Venezuela .. all made up to give more power to Us and Russia . Ghey team up everywhere.
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We’re expecting a statement from @POTUS soon (who is right now in Oval Office) on #Venezuela and it is expected he might recognize opposition leader @jguaido as the South American country’s legitimate leader

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Breaking: VENEZUELAN VP SAYS THAT THE REGIME WILL DEFEND THE COUNTRY AGAINST UNITED STATES UNTIL THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD
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#BREAKING: U.S. says "all options are on the table" if Nicolás Maduro in anyway harms opposition leader Juan Guaidó or any members of the National Assembly-

[link to twitter.com (secure)]


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Vesti Exclusive! Evo Morales Shares His Insight Into the Venezuelan CIA Coup Situation!
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We’re expecting a statement from @POTUS soon (who is right now in Oval Office) on #Venezuela and it is expected he might recognize opposition leader @jguaido as the South American country’s legitimate leader

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damned

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Breaking: VENEZUELAN VP SAYS THAT THE REGIME WILL DEFEND THE COUNTRY AGAINST UNITED STATES UNTIL THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD
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#BREAKING: U.S. says "all options are on the table" if Nicolás Maduro in anyway harms opposition leader Juan Guaidó or any members of the National Assembly-

[link to twitter.com (secure)]


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Vesti Exclusive! Evo Morales Shares His Insight Into the Venezuelan CIA Coup Situation!
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I really like Trump but i really wish he didn't fall for the deep state powerplay ..... But i guess he is a Business man and he see's opportunities where Businessmen do but it is exactly what the deep state want which makes me go meh lol...

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I believe the people of Venezuela need a change no matter who it is, but I hear rumor Guado is also a socialist? Anyone knows?
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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
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More well off middle class Venezuelans complaining about how "evil Maduro" is stopping them from living like Kings and Queens

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Venezuela Under Washington’s Gun

By Paul Craig Roberts

February 20, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - A full court press is taking place in Florida today (Presidents Day) with Republicans, Democrats, expatriates from Cuba and Venezuela and the fascist warmonger ministry of propaganda that constitutes the US media all denouncing Maduro and blaming him for the hardships imposed on Venezuelans by Washington’s sanctions and attacks on Venezuela’s currency . Even “liberal” NPR is reading off the same fascist warmonger script. NPR managed to report on Venezuela without mentioning the sanctions, without mentioning the theft of Venezuela’s gold foolishly entrusted to the US and British central banks, or the orchestrated protests funded by US-financed NGOs that are small in comparison with the crowds that support Maduro that are never mentioned in the US media. In other words, NPR is just another part of the whorehouse brigade.

What Americans forget, or never knew, is that the Cuban expatriates are the descendents of the corrupt Batista crowd that had looted Cuba for years and were thrown out of Cuba by Castro. The Venezuelan expatriates are from the rich elite that couldn’t adjust to Chavez running the country for the people instead of for them, and some of these expatriates were involved in the failed CIA coup against Chavez. All of these expatriates are nothing but shills for Washington’s takeover so that they can get back in on the take.

It is discouraging to see Trump, who the Democrats, the media, and the military/security complex are attempting to chase out of office participate in the attempt to chase Maduro out of office.

It is discouraging to see Washington’s vassals in Europe and in the Organization of American States throw all truth to the wind and line up with Washington’s lies.

It is discouraging that within Western civilization lies dominate all aspects of domestic and international policy. Truth has been stamped out.

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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
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Breaking: VENEZUELAN VP SAYS THAT THE REGIME WILL DEFEND THE COUNTRY AGAINST UNITED STATES UNTIL THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD
 Quoting: Spanish_guy


#BREAKING: U.S. says "all options are on the table" if Nicolás Maduro in anyway harms opposition leader Juan Guaidó or any members of the National Assembly-

[link to twitter.com (secure)]


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Vesti Exclusive! Evo Morales Shares His Insight Into the Venezuelan CIA Coup Situation!
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Thanks, enjoyed that. Seems like a good guy.
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 Quoting: Concorde Warrior F-BVFA


That right their upsets me.... I like Trump but i find this side of him unsettling tbh.

Oil before people is not a good 2020 campaign slogan. I just wish he would word it differently even if the result were the same... The people will still be better off but does he HAVE TO rub it in and grab all the assets in payment?

Trump dude!! - Have a little savvy about yourself and make your intentions less obvious! This is not a multi state business you are swallowing - this is International, political theater so have a little reserve about your demeanor and make your plays for the right reasons.....even when your reasons are not exactly kushti hf

That's all - just spitballin but Trump needs to make this about the future good of Venezuela and not about USA gains imo.

Again - full of rotten flu and brian not good, nor body so forgive my directness lol.
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I believe the people of Venezuela need a change no matter who it is, but I hear rumor Guado is also a socialist? Anyone knows?
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Deposed Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro and his allies in the American far left have worked overtime this week to paint the inauguration of President Juan Guaidó as a U.S.-backed, right-wing coup. In doing so, they omit perhaps the single defining trait of Guaidó’s opposition coalition: his party, Popular Will, is a member of the Socialist International (SI).

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Venezuela: Socialist International recognizes Guaidó and calls Maduro “illegitimate”

The Council of the Socialist International (SI) approved a communique on Tuesday where they recognize deputy Juan Guaidó and the Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate power of leading a process of democratic transition in Venezuela.

The organization also expressed its “enormous concern for repression” carried out by the “illegitimate regime of Nicolás Maduro” and “demands the full restitution of the constitutional order”.

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Answering your question about our temporary President of Venezuela, in fact, He was initiated in our Masonic order.

Juan Guido is the President of the National Congress of Venezuela (National Assembly) and the charge of President in charge of Venezuela, which is an additional responsibility, is because our National Constitution foresees that when a President of the Nation cannot exerts his charge, then the President of the Congress must assume in its place.
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if usa want help venezuela . is best lift sanction ... marcket are full of food
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US is not a Nanny to foreign countries. We don't feed the world. That is the job of leadership of foreign countries.

If the leadership of foreign countries cannot produce resources for their own country then they are not good leadership and must be replaced with competent leadership.

Very simple.
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I believe the people of Venezuela need a change no matter who it is, but I hear rumor Guado is also a socialist? Anyone knows?
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Deposed Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro and his allies in the American far left have worked overtime this week to paint the inauguration of President Juan Guaidó as a U.S.-backed, right-wing coup. In doing so, they omit perhaps the single defining trait of Guaidó’s opposition coalition: his party, Popular Will, is a member of the Socialist International (SI).

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Venezuela: Socialist International recognizes Guaidó and calls Maduro “illegitimate”

The Council of the Socialist International (SI) approved a communique on Tuesday where they recognize deputy Juan Guaidó and the Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate power of leading a process of democratic transition in Venezuela.

The organization also expressed its “enormous concern for repression” carried out by the “illegitimate regime of Nicolás Maduro” and “demands the full restitution of the constitutional order”.

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Answering your question about our temporary President of Venezuela, in fact, He was initiated in our Masonic order.

Juan Guido is the President of the National Congress of Venezuela (National Assembly) and the charge of President in charge of Venezuela, which is an additional responsibility, is because our National Constitution foresees that when a President of the Nation cannot exerts his charge, then the President of the Congress must assume in its place.
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Freemasonry is a knowledge of economics, diplomacy, animal husbandry and other basics that defy dictatorship.

Freemasonry starts with building blocks (mason) and develops into leadership skills that are essential for governing.

Freemasonry is a system that allows cultivation.

The opposite is Dictatorship that contains greed, and the other 7 deadly sins that lead to demise of countries.
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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
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A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
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In order to achieve greatness, what’s a few lifes?, besides, they are paid for it
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Grenada's military in 1983 was 1200 (mainly Blacks),

Venezuela is 350,000 strong (mainly Amerindian Mestizos & mixed-Middle-Easterners) - who have a higher IQ, more violent and brutal.

What are a few lives??? Fyi, I'm former US Military. And there is no need to throw away so many lives unnecessarily for an overweight moron.

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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
 Quoting: Northwind36


I really have no idea how this will pan out - i do think if Maduro is taken out fast then it will fall but in this day we cannot just take out leaders..
If this were so then Assad would be long gone.
This also leads me to believe they are just playing with the situation to get the outcome that best suits them 'deep state or Trump?) who knows but i believe less is more in that less input will require less output.
If they go in full bore then the repercussions will be full bore also if you get my drift.

Whatever happens - this will not happen this weekend. Nor will it be a good outcome for the west. A LOT of care is needed and a lot of AFTERCARE also so whatever the outcome we need to support the people of Venezuela and help them recover in their own country, help them gain control of their assets and give them full control of their own future, stop the border crisis amd help bring them back into a successful economy and well being for all people without the need for refugees etc hf
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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
 Quoting: Northwind36


I really have no idea how this will pan out - i do think if Maduro is taken out fast then it will fall but in this day we cannot just take out leaders..
If this were so then Assad would be long gone.
This also leads me to believe they are just playing with the situation to get the outcome that best suits them 'deep state or Trump?) who knows but i believe less is more in that less input will require less output.
If they go in full bore then the repercussions will be full bore also if you get my drift.

Whatever happens - this will not happen this weekend. Nor will it be a good outcome for the west. A LOT of care is needed and a lot of AFTERCARE also so whatever the outcome we need to support the people of Venezuela and help them recover in their own country, help them gain control of their assets and give them full control of their own future, stop the border crisis amd help bring them back into a successful economy and well being for all people without the need for refugees etc hf
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Biggest migration in human history.
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indeed