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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
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More well off middle class Venezuelans complaining about how "evil Maduro" is stopping them from living like Kings and Queens

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Venezuela Under Washington’s Gun

By Paul Craig Roberts

February 20, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - A full court press is taking place in Florida today (Presidents Day) with Republicans, Democrats, expatriates from Cuba and Venezuela and the fascist warmonger ministry of propaganda that constitutes the US media all denouncing Maduro and blaming him for the hardships imposed on Venezuelans by Washington’s sanctions and attacks on Venezuela’s currency . Even “liberal” NPR is reading off the same fascist warmonger script. NPR managed to report on Venezuela without mentioning the sanctions, without mentioning the theft of Venezuela’s gold foolishly entrusted to the US and British central banks, or the orchestrated protests funded by US-financed NGOs that are small in comparison with the crowds that support Maduro that are never mentioned in the US media. In other words, NPR is just another part of the whorehouse brigade.

What Americans forget, or never knew, is that the Cuban expatriates are the descendents of the corrupt Batista crowd that had looted Cuba for years and were thrown out of Cuba by Castro. The Venezuelan expatriates are from the rich elite that couldn’t adjust to Chavez running the country for the people instead of for them, and some of these expatriates were involved in the failed CIA coup against Chavez. All of these expatriates are nothing but shills for Washington’s takeover so that they can get back in on the take.

It is discouraging to see Trump, who the Democrats, the media, and the military/security complex are attempting to chase out of office participate in the attempt to chase Maduro out of office.

It is discouraging to see Washington’s vassals in Europe and in the Organization of American States throw all truth to the wind and line up with Washington’s lies.

It is discouraging that within Western civilization lies dominate all aspects of domestic and international policy. Truth has been stamped out.

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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
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We’re expecting a statement from @POTUS soon (who is right now in Oval Office) on #Venezuela and it is expected he might recognize opposition leader @jguaido as the South American country’s legitimate leader

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Breaking: VENEZUELAN VP SAYS THAT THE REGIME WILL DEFEND THE COUNTRY AGAINST UNITED STATES UNTIL THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD
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#BREAKING: U.S. says "all options are on the table" if Nicolás Maduro in anyway harms opposition leader Juan Guaidó or any members of the National Assembly-

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Vesti Exclusive! Evo Morales Shares His Insight Into the Venezuelan CIA Coup Situation!
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Thanks, enjoyed that. Seems like a good guy.
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"Hands Off Venezuela
‏ @HOVcampaign
Back in 2017 Trump was already talking about war on Venezuela Donald Trump: "I don't understand why we're not looking at Venezuela. Why we're not a war with Venezuela? They have all the oil and they're in our back door"
— Fmr. FBI Dir. Andrew McCabe"

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That right their upsets me.... I like Trump but i find this side of him unsettling tbh.

Oil before people is not a good 2020 campaign slogan. I just wish he would word it differently even if the result were the same... The people will still be better off but does he HAVE TO rub it in and grab all the assets in payment?

Trump dude!! - Have a little savvy about yourself and make your intentions less obvious! This is not a multi state business you are swallowing - this is International, political theater so have a little reserve about your demeanor and make your plays for the right reasons.....even when your reasons are not exactly kushti hf

That's all - just spitballin but Trump needs to make this about the future good of Venezuela and not about USA gains imo.

Again - full of rotten flu and brian not good, nor body so forgive my directness lol.
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I believe the people of Venezuela need a change no matter who it is, but I hear rumor Guado is also a socialist? Anyone knows?
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Deposed Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro and his allies in the American far left have worked overtime this week to paint the inauguration of President Juan Guaidó as a U.S.-backed, right-wing coup. In doing so, they omit perhaps the single defining trait of Guaidó’s opposition coalition: his party, Popular Will, is a member of the Socialist International (SI).

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Venezuela: Socialist International recognizes Guaidó and calls Maduro “illegitimate”

The Council of the Socialist International (SI) approved a communique on Tuesday where they recognize deputy Juan Guaidó and the Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate power of leading a process of democratic transition in Venezuela.

The organization also expressed its “enormous concern for repression” carried out by the “illegitimate regime of Nicolás Maduro” and “demands the full restitution of the constitutional order”.

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Answering your question about our temporary President of Venezuela, in fact, He was initiated in our Masonic order.

Juan Guido is the President of the National Congress of Venezuela (National Assembly) and the charge of President in charge of Venezuela, which is an additional responsibility, is because our National Constitution foresees that when a President of the Nation cannot exerts his charge, then the President of the Congress must assume in its place.
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if usa want help venezuela . is best lift sanction ... marcket are full of food
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US is not a Nanny to foreign countries. We don't feed the world. That is the job of leadership of foreign countries.

If the leadership of foreign countries cannot produce resources for their own country then they are not good leadership and must be replaced with competent leadership.

Very simple.
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I believe the people of Venezuela need a change no matter who it is, but I hear rumor Guado is also a socialist? Anyone knows?
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Deposed Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro and his allies in the American far left have worked overtime this week to paint the inauguration of President Juan Guaidó as a U.S.-backed, right-wing coup. In doing so, they omit perhaps the single defining trait of Guaidó’s opposition coalition: his party, Popular Will, is a member of the Socialist International (SI).

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Venezuela: Socialist International recognizes Guaidó and calls Maduro “illegitimate”

The Council of the Socialist International (SI) approved a communique on Tuesday where they recognize deputy Juan Guaidó and the Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate power of leading a process of democratic transition in Venezuela.

The organization also expressed its “enormous concern for repression” carried out by the “illegitimate regime of Nicolás Maduro” and “demands the full restitution of the constitutional order”.

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Idol1

and Free Mason

snip:

Answering your question about our temporary President of Venezuela, in fact, He was initiated in our Masonic order.

Juan Guido is the President of the National Congress of Venezuela (National Assembly) and the charge of President in charge of Venezuela, which is an additional responsibility, is because our National Constitution foresees that when a President of the Nation cannot exerts his charge, then the President of the Congress must assume in its place.
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Idol1

Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.
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Freemasonry is a knowledge of economics, diplomacy, animal husbandry and other basics that defy dictatorship.

Freemasonry starts with building blocks (mason) and develops into leadership skills that are essential for governing.

Freemasonry is a system that allows cultivation.

The opposite is Dictatorship that contains greed, and the other 7 deadly sins that lead to demise of countries.
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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
 Quoting: Northwind36



In order to achieve greatness, what’s a few lifes?, besides, they are paid for it
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Grenada's military in 1983 was 1200 (mainly Blacks),

Venezuela is 350,000 strong (mainly Amerindian Mestizos & mixed-Middle-Easterners) - who have a higher IQ, more violent and brutal.

What are a few lives??? Fyi, I'm former US Military. And there is no need to throw away so many lives unnecessarily for an overweight moron.

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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
 Quoting: Northwind36


I really have no idea how this will pan out - i do think if Maduro is taken out fast then it will fall but in this day we cannot just take out leaders..
If this were so then Assad would be long gone.
This also leads me to believe they are just playing with the situation to get the outcome that best suits them 'deep state or Trump?) who knows but i believe less is more in that less input will require less output.
If they go in full bore then the repercussions will be full bore also if you get my drift.

Whatever happens - this will not happen this weekend. Nor will it be a good outcome for the west. A LOT of care is needed and a lot of AFTERCARE also so whatever the outcome we need to support the people of Venezuela and help them recover in their own country, help them gain control of their assets and give them full control of their own future, stop the border crisis amd help bring them back into a successful economy and well being for all people without the need for refugees etc hf
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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
 Quoting: curry nosher


A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
 Quoting: Northwind36


I really have no idea how this will pan out - i do think if Maduro is taken out fast then it will fall but in this day we cannot just take out leaders..
If this were so then Assad would be long gone.
This also leads me to believe they are just playing with the situation to get the outcome that best suits them 'deep state or Trump?) who knows but i believe less is more in that less input will require less output.
If they go in full bore then the repercussions will be full bore also if you get my drift.

Whatever happens - this will not happen this weekend. Nor will it be a good outcome for the west. A LOT of care is needed and a lot of AFTERCARE also so whatever the outcome we need to support the people of Venezuela and help them recover in their own country, help them gain control of their assets and give them full control of their own future, stop the border crisis amd help bring them back into a successful economy and well being for all people without the need for refugees etc hf
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Biggest migration in human history.
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Do not fall for another Bay of Tonkin.
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Kremlin Hopes Venezuela's Authorities " Do Everything " to Prevent Escalation

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Do not fall for another Bay of Tonkin.
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indeed
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If the motivation of the US aid is purely humanitarian, why don't they just give it to the International Committee of the Red Cross in Columbia, and request that they distribute it? Maduro has no problem accepting aid given in good faith, coming through the ICRC, and is doing so already. The fact that the US won't do this, only tells me that the primary purpose of the US aid is to cause a provocation on the border, which will be used politically, to justify increased intervention.
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the Red Cross knows that all the U.S. grandstanding is bullshit.
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halve a million are expected there ...
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China against forcefully sending aid to Venezuela

China said Friday it was against forcefully sending "so-called humanitarian assistance" to Venezuela, warning it could spark conflict in the crisis-torn country.

China has loaned billions to Venezuela and has remained committed to President Nicolas Maduro even as the country has fallen deeper into economic crisis.

Foreign aid mostly from the US has piled up on Venezuela's borders as the Maduro government refuses to let it into the country.

"If the so-called humanitarian assistance were forcefully sent to Venezuela it might trigger conflict and lead to serious consequences," said China's foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang.

"This is not what anyone wants to see," Geng said.

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Starving Venezuela into Submission

By Israel Shamir

February 13, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - You are so kind-hearted! I shed a tear thinking of American generosity.

“So many delightful goodies: sacks of rice, canned tuna and protein-rich biscuits, corn flour, lentils and pasta, arrived at the border of troubled Venezuela – enough for one light meal each for five thousand people”, – reported the news in a sublime reference to five thousand fed by Christ’s fishes and loaves.

True, Christ did not take over the bank accounts and did not seize the gold of those he fed. But 21st century Venezuela is a good deal more-prosperous than 1st century Galilee. Nowadays, you have to organise a blockade if you want people to be grateful for your humanitarian aid.

This is not a problem. The US-UK duo did it in Iraq, as marvelous Arundhati Roy wrote in April 2003 (in The Guardian of old, before it turned into an imperial tool): After Iraq was brought to its knees, its people starved, half a million of its children killed, its infrastructure severely damaged… the blockade and war were followed by… you guessed it! Humanitarian relief. At first, they blocked food supplies worth billions of dollars, and then they delivered 450 tonnes of humanitarian aid and celebrated their generosity for a few days of live TV broadcasts. Iraq had had enough money to buy all the food it needed, but it was blocked, and its people received only some peanuts.

And this was rather humane by American standards. In the 18th century, the British colonists in North America used more drastic methods while dispensing aid to disobedient natives. The Red Indians were expelled from their native places, and then they were provided humanitarian aid: whiskey and blankets. The blankets had been previously used by smallpox patients. The native population of North America was decimated by the ensuing epidemics from this and similar measures. Probably you haven’t heard of this chapter of your history: the USA has many Holocaust museums but not a single memorial to the genocide near home. It is much more fun to discuss faults of Germans and Turks than of your own forefathers.

First, you starve people; then you bring them humanitarian aid. This was proposed by John McNaughton at Pentagon: bomb locks and dams, by shallow-flooding the rice, cause widespread starvation (more than a million dead?) “And then we shall deliver humanitarian aid to the starving Vietnamese”. Or, rather, “we could offer to do [that] at the conference table.” Planning a million dead by starvation, in writing: if such a note would be found on the ruins of the Third Reich, it would seal the story of genocide, it would be quoted daily. But the story of the genocide of the Vietnamese is rarely mentioned nowadays.

They did it in Syria, too. At first, they brought weapons for every Muslim extremist, then they blockaded Damascus, and then they sent some humanitarian aid, but only to the areas under rebel control.

This cruel but efficient method of breaking nations’ spirit has been developed by lion tamers for years, perhaps for centuries. You have to starve the beast until it will take food from your hands and lick your fingers. ‘Starvation-taming’, they call it.

The Israelis practice it in Gaza. They block all export or import from the Strip, interdict fishing in the Mediterranean and drip-feed the captive Palestinians by ‘humanitarian aid’. Jews, being Jews, make it one better: they made the EU to pay for the humanitarian aid to Gaza AND to buy the aid stuff from Israel. This made Gaza an important source of profit for the Jewish state.

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So in Venezuela they follow an old script. The US and its London poodle seized over 20 billion dollars from Venezuela and from Venezuelan national companies. They stole over a billion in gold ingots Venezuela had trustingly deposited in the cellars of the Bank of England.

Well, they said they will give this money to a Venezuelan Random Dude, rather. To the guy who already promised to give the wealth of Venezuela to the US companies. And after this daylight robbery, they bring a few containers of humanitarian aid to the border and wait for the rush of bereft Venezuelans for food.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tweeted:

“The Venezuelan people desperately need humanitarian aid. The U.S. & other countries are trying to help, but Venezuela’s military under Maduro’s orders is blocking aid with trucks and shipping tankers. The Maduro regime must LET THE AID REACH THE STARVING PEOPLE.”

Venezuelans aren’t starving, even though they are going through difficulties. The biggest noise is made by the wealthy, as always. If Pompeo wants to help Venezuelans, he might lift the sanctions, return the funds, lift the blockade. The biscuits he wants to provide are of but little use.

President Maduro is right when he refuses to let this hypocrisy bribe the stomachs and hearts of his people. It is not just that he remembers his Virgil and knows, Timeo danaos et dona ferentes, “beware gift-bearing Greeks.” There are too many American and Colombian soldiers around the pending delivery place, and this place is suspiciously close to an airport with an extra-long runway suitable for a an airlift.

The US is known for its propensity to invade its neighbours: Panama was invaded in 1989 to keep the Panama Canal in American hands and to roll back the agreement signed by the good-hearted President Jimmy Carter. President George Bush Sr sent his airborne troops in after calling Panama president “a dictator and cocaine smuggler”. This is exactly what President Trump says about Venezuela’s president.

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US companies, #NATO allies working on providing weapons to Venezuelan opposition - Moscow

The United States' provocations in Venezuela, if implemented, would dramatically increase the level of tension and confrontation in the world, the Russian Foreign Ministry has said in a statement.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova stated that US plans to deliver humanitarian aid to Venezuela could lead to clashes and would create a convenient pretext for the removal of Nicolas Maduro from power.

The US is planning to transfer weapons and special troops close to Venezuela, according to the spokeswoman.

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Political Analysts Warn on Consequences of Agression vs Venezuela

The United States, in connivance with the Colombian government, could disguise paramilitaries in Venezuelan uniforms, and carry out an act against the population, against some opponents, and then they would have the cameras to show the world that here there is a dictatorship that is murdering the people, Bernal told this Argentine media.

In the same sense, Colombian analyst Oscar Hernando Avellaneda told Prensa Latina that the Colombian-Venezuelan border is seeking to create an incident that justifies a fratricidal war.


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We’ve Seen The West’s Approach To Venezuela Before – In Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, Need I Go On?

Instead of pleading with those who will not support him, the self-proclaimed interim president of Venezuela might want to take a closer look at who his foreign friends are

By Robert Fisk

February 13, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - The closest I ever came to Venezuela, many years ago, was a transit connection at Caracas airport. I noticed a lot of soldiers in red berets and a clutch of goons, and it reminded me, vaguely, of the Middle East.

Now, sitting in the rain squalls of the wintry Levant, I flick through my newspaper clippings of our recent local autocrats – Saddam, Assad, al-Sisi, Erdogan, Mohammed bin Salman (you can fill in the rest for yourself) – and I think of Nicolas Maduro.

The comparisons are by no means precise. Indeed, it’s not the nature of the “strongmen” I’m thinking about. It’s our reaction to all these chaps. And there are two obvious parallels: the way in which we sanction and isolate the hated dictator – or love him, as the case may be – and the manner in which we not only name the opposition as the rightful heir to the nation, but demand that democracy be delivered to the people whose torture and struggle for freedom we have suddenly discovered.

And before I forget it, there’s one other common thread in this story. If you suggest that those who want presidential change in Venezuela may be a little too hasty, and our support for – let us say – Juan Guaido might be a bit premature if we don’t want to start a civil war, this means you are “pro-Maduro”

Just as those who opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq were “pro-Saddam”, or those who thought the west might pause before it supported the increasingly violent opposition in Syria were labelled “pro-Assad”.

And those who defended Yasser Arafat – over a long period a super-terrorist, a super-diplomat and then a super-terrorist again – against those who would oust him as leader of the Palestinians, were abused as “pro-Arafat”, “pro-Palestinian”, “pro-terrorist” and, inevitably, “anti-Semitic”. I recall how George W Bush warned us after 9/11, that “you are either with us or against us”. The same threat was made to us about Assad.

Erdogan has used it in Turkey (less than three years ago) and it was a common line in the forgotten 1930s used by none other than Mussolini. And now I quote Trump’s US secretary of state Michael Pompeo on Maduro: “Now it is time for every other nation to pick a side … either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem.”

You get the point. Now is the time for all good people to stand alongside the United States, the EU, the nations of Latin America – or do you support the Russkies, Chinese, Iranian headbangers, the perfidious Corbyn and (of all people) the Greeks? Talking of the Greeks, European pressure on Alexis Tsipras to conform to the EU’s support for Guaido – proving that the EU can indeed bully its smaller members – is a good argument for Brexiteers (though far too complex for them to understand).

But first, let’s take a look at our favourite tyrant, in the words of all who oppose him. He’s a powerful dictator, surrounded by generals, suppressing his people, using torture, mass arrests, secret police murders, rigged elections, political prisoners – so no wonder we gave our support to those who wish to overthrow this brutal man and stage democratic elections.

Not a bad precis of our current policy towards the Maduro regime. But I am referring, of course, word-for-word, to the west’s policy towards the Assad regime in Syria. And our support for opposition democracy there wasn’t terribly successful.

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We were not solely responsible for the Syrian civil war – but we were not guiltless since we sent an awful lot of weapons to those trying to overthrow Assad. And last month the notepad of US national security advisor John Bolton appeared to boast a plan to send 5,000 US troops to Colombia…

And now let’s tick the box on another Maduro-lookalike – at least from the west’s simplistic point of view: the military-backed elected field marshal-president al-Sisi of Egypt, whom we love, admire and protect. Powerful dictator? Yup. Surrounded and supported by generals? You bet, not least because he locked up a rival general before the last election. Suppression? Absolutely – all in the interest of crushing “terrorism”, of course.

Mass arrests? Happily yes, for all the inmates of Egypt’s savage prison system are “terrorists”, at least according to the field marshal-president himself. Secret police murders? Well, even forgetting the young Italian student suspected by his government to have been allegedly tortured and bumped off by one of Sisi’s top Egyptian cops, there’s a roll call of disappeared activists.

Rigged elections? No doubt about it, although al-Sisi still maintains that his last triumph at the polls – a cracking 97 per cent – was a free and fair election.

President Trump sent his “sincere congratulations”. Political prisoners? Well, the total is 60,000 and rising. Oh yes, and Maduro’s last victory – a rigged election if ever there was one, of course – was a mere 67.84 per cent.

As the late sage of the Sunday Express, John Gordon, might have said: it makes you sit up a bit. So, too, I suppose, when we glance a bit further eastwards to Afghanistan, whose Taliban rulers were routed in 2001 by the US, whose post-9/11 troops and statesmen ushered in a new life of democracy, then corruption, warlordism and civil war.

The “democracy” bit quickly came unstuck when “loya jurgas”, grand councils, turned into tribal playpens and the Americans announced that it would be an exaggeration to think that we could achieve “Jeffersonian democracy” in Afghanistan. Too true.

Now the Americans are negotiating with the “terrorist” Taliban in Qatar so they can get the hell out of the Graveyard of Empires after 17 years of military setbacks, scandals and defeats – not to mention running a few torture camps which even Maduro would cough to look at.

Now all this may not encourage you to walk down memory lane. And I haven’t even listed the sins of Saddam, let alone our continuing and cosy relationship – amazing as it still seems – with that Gulf state whose lads strangled, chopped up and secretly buried a US-resident journalist in Turkey.

Now just imagine if Maduro, tired of a journalist critic slandering him in Miami, decided to lure him to the Venezuelan embassy in Washington and top the poor guy, slice him up and bury him secretly in Foggy Bottom. Well now, I have a feeling that sanctions might have been applied to Maduro a long time ago. But not to Saudi Arabia, of course, where we are very definitely not advocating democracy.

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“So many delightful goodies: sacks of rice, canned tuna and protein-rich biscuits, corn flour, lentils and pasta, arrived at the border of troubled Venezuela – enough for one light meal each for five thousand people”, – reported the news in a sublime reference to five thousand fed by Christ’s fishes and loaves.

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One light meal for 5000 people.

Politics.

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US companies, #NATO allies working on providing weapons to Venezuelan opposition - Moscow

The United States' provocations in Venezuela, if implemented, would dramatically increase the level of tension and confrontation in the world, the Russian Foreign Ministry has said in a statement.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova stated that US plans to deliver humanitarian aid to Venezuela could lead to clashes and would create a convenient pretext for the removal of Nicolas Maduro from power.

The US is planning to transfer weapons and special troops close to Venezuela, according to the spokeswoman.

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US could have popped Maduro at any time.
Instead allowing the situation to cave in on itself teaches a man to fish.
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I will like to see this live lol. I will eat my hat if that happens as Maduro will block all access and tbh, if he tries that he is just gonna get arrested.
I am taking no side on this as i just cannot decide what is and isn't propaganda atm and a lot of the negative stuff coming out of Ven is from western msm whom i distrust immensely.
Obviously people are suffering but they all look in pretty good nic at the Guaido's protests etc, nice clobber n well fed so atm i am pretty confused at the reality on the ground. Sure some have nothing and propb most have a fat lot more yet they do not look impoverished?

I dunno man, this is all a propaganda issue atm. I would hope Guaido is the real deal but he has never had a vote for him cast so how does he expect to take over legitimately?

One thing is certain though. The country is failing and the people need a way out from it one way or another and while i realise the west have different reason for interest there, the outcome for the people would be better than now if some intervention took place. I guess some might see it as a win win situation but really it's about the people and their own homeland, just a shame that all the value their homeland has will be siphoned off by vested interests elsewhere. If only their was a way to rescue their future without stripping them of their assets in payment.

ps - forgive me if this reads iffy - i am chock full of flu and feel like shite hf
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A good analysis, by blocking the borders it seems Maduro is not going to go quietly as thought.

He is mainly a Middle-Easterner (Sephardi) and has adherence to the late East Indian Sai Baba's teachings. Thus seems to have a typical fatalistic Eastern mentality.

Its looks its going to be like Syria or Iraq. Either he survives like Assad did or dies like Saddam.

The Venezuelan military will support him, I dont know if he will get Russian or Chinese support. But anyway if we want to get him, we will have to go in and there will be some casualties.

The terrain is more difficult than the Middle-East (Air-power wont be so effective) and the Amerindian Mestizo fighters are as violent as the Arabs/Muslims.

The US invasion of Grenada in 1983 cost 19 US troops killed, and their military was much smaller and weaker than Venezuela's. This will be easily be over a 1000 US troops killed. Is it worth so many lives lost? Further more refugees will end up here.

Its better to let the overweight buffoon continuing venting, until he blows his top, he is not worth the effort.
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I really have no idea how this will pan out - i do think if Maduro is taken out fast then it will fall but in this day we cannot just take out leaders..
If this were so then Assad would be long gone.
This also leads me to believe they are just playing with the situation to get the outcome that best suits them 'deep state or Trump?) who knows but i believe less is more in that less input will require less output.
If they go in full bore then the repercussions will be full bore also if you get my drift.

Whatever happens - this will not happen this weekend. Nor will it be a good outcome for the west. A LOT of care is needed and a lot of AFTERCARE also so whatever the outcome we need to support the people of Venezuela and help them recover in their own country, help them gain control of their assets and give them full control of their own future, stop the border crisis amd help bring them back into a successful economy and well being for all people without the need for refugees etc hf
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Biggest migration in human history.
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Yeah that's a real worry tbf Cleo. I had thought this might happen but held back as it seemed less important than the immediate issue but you are probably spot on with that tbh hf
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I believe the people of Venezuela need a change no matter who it is, but I hear rumor Guado is also a socialist? Anyone knows?
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Deposed Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro and his allies in the American far left have worked overtime this week to paint the inauguration of President Juan Guaidó as a U.S.-backed, right-wing coup. In doing so, they omit perhaps the single defining trait of Guaidó’s opposition coalition: his party, Popular Will, is a member of the Socialist International (SI).

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Venezuela: Socialist International recognizes Guaidó and calls Maduro “illegitimate”

The Council of the Socialist International (SI) approved a communique on Tuesday where they recognize deputy Juan Guaidó and the Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate power of leading a process of democratic transition in Venezuela.

The organization also expressed its “enormous concern for repression” carried out by the “illegitimate regime of Nicolás Maduro” and “demands the full restitution of the constitutional order”.

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Answering your question about our temporary President of Venezuela, in fact, He was initiated in our Masonic order.

Juan Guido is the President of the National Congress of Venezuela (National Assembly) and the charge of President in charge of Venezuela, which is an additional responsibility, is because our National Constitution foresees that when a President of the Nation cannot exerts his charge, then the President of the Congress must assume in its place.
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Freemasonry is a knowledge of economics, diplomacy, animal husbandry and other basics that defy dictatorship.

Freemasonry starts with building blocks (mason) and develops into leadership skills that are essential for governing.

Freemasonry is a system that allows cultivation.

The opposite is Dictatorship that contains greed, and the other 7 deadly sins that lead to demise of countries.
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They are sectarian.

Why are their meetings not open to all then? Why do they keep their stuff behind closed doors?

We have a Masonic supporter in the house?

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Starving Venezuela into Submission

By Israel Shamir

February 13, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - You are so kind-hearted! I shed a tear thinking of American generosity.

“So many delightful goodies: sacks of rice, canned tuna and protein-rich biscuits, corn flour, lentils and pasta, arrived at the border of troubled Venezuela – enough for one light meal each for five thousand people”, – reported the news in a sublime reference to five thousand fed by Christ’s fishes and loaves.

True, Christ did not take over the bank accounts and did not seize the gold of those he fed. But 21st century Venezuela is a good deal more-prosperous than 1st century Galilee. Nowadays, you have to organise a blockade if you want people to be grateful for your humanitarian aid.

This is not a problem. The US-UK duo did it in Iraq, as marvelous Arundhati Roy wrote in April 2003 (in The Guardian of old, before it turned into an imperial tool): After Iraq was brought to its knees, its people starved, half a million of its children killed, its infrastructure severely damaged… the blockade and war were followed by… you guessed it! Humanitarian relief. At first, they blocked food supplies worth billions of dollars, and then they delivered 450 tonnes of humanitarian aid and celebrated their generosity for a few days of live TV broadcasts. Iraq had had enough money to buy all the food it needed, but it was blocked, and its people received only some peanuts.

And this was rather humane by American standards. In the 18th century, the British colonists in North America used more drastic methods while dispensing aid to disobedient natives. The Red Indians were expelled from their native places, and then they were provided humanitarian aid: whiskey and blankets. The blankets had been previously used by smallpox patients. The native population of North America was decimated by the ensuing epidemics from this and similar measures. Probably you haven’t heard of this chapter of your history: the USA has many Holocaust museums but not a single memorial to the genocide near home. It is much more fun to discuss faults of Germans and Turks than of your own forefathers.

First, you starve people; then you bring them humanitarian aid. This was proposed by John McNaughton at Pentagon: bomb locks and dams, by shallow-flooding the rice, cause widespread starvation (more than a million dead?) “And then we shall deliver humanitarian aid to the starving Vietnamese”. Or, rather, “we could offer to do [that] at the conference table.” Planning a million dead by starvation, in writing: if such a note would be found on the ruins of the Third Reich, it would seal the story of genocide, it would be quoted daily. But the story of the genocide of the Vietnamese is rarely mentioned nowadays.

They did it in Syria, too. At first, they brought weapons for every Muslim extremist, then they blockaded Damascus, and then they sent some humanitarian aid, but only to the areas under rebel control.

This cruel but efficient method of breaking nations’ spirit has been developed by lion tamers for years, perhaps for centuries. You have to starve the beast until it will take food from your hands and lick your fingers. ‘Starvation-taming’, they call it.

The Israelis practice it in Gaza. They block all export or import from the Strip, interdict fishing in the Mediterranean and drip-feed the captive Palestinians by ‘humanitarian aid’. Jews, being Jews, make it one better: they made the EU to pay for the humanitarian aid to Gaza AND to buy the aid stuff from Israel. This made Gaza an important source of profit for the Jewish state.

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So in Venezuela they follow an old script. The US and its London poodle seized over 20 billion dollars from Venezuela and from Venezuelan national companies. They stole over a billion in gold ingots Venezuela had trustingly deposited in the cellars of the Bank of England.

Well, they said they will give this money to a Venezuelan Random Dude, rather. To the guy who already promised to give the wealth of Venezuela to the US companies. And after this daylight robbery, they bring a few containers of humanitarian aid to the border and wait for the rush of bereft Venezuelans for food.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tweeted:

“The Venezuelan people desperately need humanitarian aid. The U.S. & other countries are trying to help, but Venezuela’s military under Maduro’s orders is blocking aid with trucks and shipping tankers. The Maduro regime must LET THE AID REACH THE STARVING PEOPLE.”

Venezuelans aren’t starving, even though they are going through difficulties. The biggest noise is made by the wealthy, as always. If Pompeo wants to help Venezuelans, he might lift the sanctions, return the funds, lift the blockade. The biscuits he wants to provide are of but little use.

President Maduro is right when he refuses to let this hypocrisy bribe the stomachs and hearts of his people. It is not just that he remembers his Virgil and knows, Timeo danaos et dona ferentes, “beware gift-bearing Greeks.” There are too many American and Colombian soldiers around the pending delivery place, and this place is suspiciously close to an airport with an extra-long runway suitable for a an airlift.

The US is known for its propensity to invade its neighbours: Panama was invaded in 1989 to keep the Panama Canal in American hands and to roll back the agreement signed by the good-hearted President Jimmy Carter. President George Bush Sr sent his airborne troops in after calling Panama president “a dictator and cocaine smuggler”. This is exactly what President Trump says about Venezuela’s president.

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I said as much in another thread.... This is for optics cos this delivery will feed a big village/small town and is totally insignificant to the problem at hand. It needs 1000x this to be of any benefit and then that is just 1 days worth so what is the point??? We are about to find out for sure hf
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