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Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
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Russia has problems getting to Syria, either naval or air. They still manage it, though. They just don't have the political support I guess.

With regards to China, I hear they are accepting payment for Venezeulan loans in oil. Not sure how all this is going to work out, but BRING ME THE POPCORN.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Trump is being set up by the Deep Swamp. Trump needs to stop listening to the Deep State swamp creatures Pompeo, Bolton and Pence. In fact, Trump should take the opportunity to fire the Neocon swamp creatures in his inner circle immediately before this gets any worse than it already has become. Trump should have never recognized Guaido, who anyone with half a brian knows is a Western Deep State asset. Maduro is in fact the duly elected President of Venezuela, whether the Neocons like it or not. This is going to turn into another Ukraine but it will be much worse because both China and Russia have heavy investments in Venezuela. The Venezuelan special forces are not a joke. The situation with the Diplomats could get out of hand rather quickly. Whoever advised Trump to recognize Guadio should be fired immediately but the damage is already done: Guaido doesn't stand a chance, the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro (much like the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych and the majority of Syrians support Assad - all Deep State propaganda to the contrary). The Deep State laid a trap for Trump and he took the bait. From the Deep State's perspective, Trump is now in a lose-lose situation: if he backtracks from his initial support for Guaido, Trump will look foolish; if he doubles down even further on Guadio (who is a Team Obama/Never-Trump Deep State puppet) he will look foolish when Maduro crushes Guaido.

Trump fell into a classic Deep State trap and it is sad that most here on GLP didn't see it coming and can't recognize it now for what it is. Hopefully Trump gets better advice and fast!!
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I get what you're saying, and I mostly agree. But Maduro is more a fool than even Trump. Trump is smart in subtle ways, but he just doesn't come across as being all that intelligent, IMHO.

> the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro

I doubt it...
 Quoting: OceanMan


You doubt it because you believe the reporting and proclamations of the same Deep State which gave us the Arab Spring and the Maidan.

I repeat: Trump is being set up.
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Maduro thugs will likely attack US diplomatic properties physically harming innocent Americans over the next few hours.

Trump must order full mobilization of US military to strike Venezuela with overwhelming military force,hard and fast.

I hope Trump is not being set up by dark forces at home here.

This situation on a slow burner risks getting out of control.Trump needs to act decisively fast.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


Maduro isn't stupid and, yes, Trump is being set up regarding Venezuela by the Deep State that hates him, including those within his inner circle (Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, etc.)

Maduro will most likely detain the diplomats if they don't leave. This will be for their own protection as there is a good chance a false flag operation is in the works to create a Benghazi-like scenario to blame on Maduro (and by extension Trump, who is currently being set up by the Deep State regarding Venezuela). The last person who will want these diplomats harmed is Maduro, as it will invite his own demise.
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I think at this point, Maduro is already fucked.
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#Russia's response is the key here, as it considers to establish a base in #Venezuela. Would Putin save Maduro as he saved Assad?

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 Quoting: NOFAKE


Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Russia has problems getting to Syria, either naval or air. They still manage it, though. They just don't have the political support I guess.

With regards to China, I hear they are accepting payment for Venezeulan loans in oil. Not sure how all this is going to work out, but BRING ME THE POPCORN.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Exactly apart from symbolic support diplomatic and the like there's not much Russia could do, nor do I think they would do...

I expect China to kick a few hornets in the direction of the China Seas, but this if like you said about the loans for oil has weight, could be a way to strangle China from it's aspirations.
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#Russia's response is the key here, as it considers to establish a base in #Venezuela. Would Putin save Maduro as he saved Assad?

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Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

:omnomnom:
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#Russia's response is the key here, as it considers to establish a base in #Venezuela. Would Putin save Maduro as he saved Assad?

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: NOFAKE


Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Russia has problems getting to Syria, either naval or air. They still manage it, though. They just don't have the political support I guess.

With regards to China, I hear they are accepting payment for Venezeulan loans in oil. Not sure how all this is going to work out, but BRING ME THE POPCORN.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Trump is being set up by the Deep Swamp. Trump needs to stop listening to the Deep State swamp creatures Pompeo, Bolton and Pence. In fact, Trump should take the opportunity to fire the Neocon swamp creatures in his inner circle immediately before this gets any worse than it already has become. Trump should have never recognized Guaido, who anyone with half a brian knows is a Western Deep State asset. Maduro is in fact the duly elected President of Venezuela, whether the Neocons like it or not. This is going to turn into another Ukraine but it will be much worse because both China and Russia have heavy investments in Venezuela. The Venezuelan special forces are not a joke. The situation with the Diplomats could get out of hand rather quickly. Whoever advised Trump to recognize Guadio should be fired immediately but the damage is already done: Guaido doesn't stand a chance, the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro (much like the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych and the majority of Syrians support Assad - all Deep State propaganda to the contrary). The Deep State laid a trap for Trump and he took the bait. From the Deep State's perspective, Trump is now in a lose-lose situation: if he backtracks from his initial support for Guaido, Trump will look foolish; if he doubles down even further on Guadio (who is a Team Obama/Never-Trump Deep State puppet) he will look foolish when Maduro crushes Guaido.

Trump fell into a classic Deep State trap and it is sad that most here on GLP didn't see it coming and can't recognize it now for what it is. Hopefully Trump gets better advice and fast!!
 Quoting: EightAndSand


This is probably why Mattis through in the towel, because he was the only one with knowledable and practical experience militarily and logically in the cabinet, he prevented Boltons wet dream of full retardation in Syria now who's left to say hold up Trump take a minute to the k about this ?
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Russia has problems getting to Syria, either naval or air. They still manage it, though. They just don't have the political support I guess.

With regards to China, I hear they are accepting payment for Venezeulan loans in oil. Not sure how all this is going to work out, but BRING ME THE POPCORN.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Trump is being set up by the Deep Swamp. Trump needs to stop listening to the Deep State swamp creatures Pompeo, Bolton and Pence. In fact, Trump should take the opportunity to fire the Neocon swamp creatures in his inner circle immediately before this gets any worse than it already has become. Trump should have never recognized Guaido, who anyone with half a brian knows is a Western Deep State asset. Maduro is in fact the duly elected President of Venezuela, whether the Neocons like it or not. This is going to turn into another Ukraine but it will be much worse because both China and Russia have heavy investments in Venezuela. The Venezuelan special forces are not a joke. The situation with the Diplomats could get out of hand rather quickly. Whoever advised Trump to recognize Guadio should be fired immediately but the damage is already done: Guaido doesn't stand a chance, the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro (much like the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych and the majority of Syrians support Assad - all Deep State propaganda to the contrary). The Deep State laid a trap for Trump and he took the bait. From the Deep State's perspective, Trump is now in a lose-lose situation: if he backtracks from his initial support for Guaido, Trump will look foolish; if he doubles down even further on Guadio (who is a Team Obama/Never-Trump Deep State puppet) he will look foolish when Maduro crushes Guaido.

Trump fell into a classic Deep State trap and it is sad that most here on GLP didn't see it coming and can't recognize it now for what it is. Hopefully Trump gets better advice and fast!!
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I get what you're saying, and I mostly agree. But Maduro is more a fool than even Trump. Trump is smart in subtle ways, but he just doesn't come across as being all that intelligent, IMHO.

> the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro

I doubt it...
 Quoting: OceanMan


You doubt it because you believe the reporting and proclamations of the same Deep State which gave us the Arab Spring and the Maidan.

I repeat: Trump is being set up.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


No, I don't believe these reports necessarily, things are not black and white. And yeah, most mainstream media outlets are basically full of shit. But I get the feeling that a majority of Venezeulans don't really care that much about these political squabbles and that they just want something to eat...
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Russia has problems getting to Syria, either naval or air. They still manage it, though. They just don't have the political support I guess.

With regards to China, I hear they are accepting payment for Venezeulan loans in oil. Not sure how all this is going to work out, but BRING ME THE POPCORN.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Trump is being set up by the Deep Swamp. Trump needs to stop listening to the Deep State swamp creatures Pompeo, Bolton and Pence. In fact, Trump should take the opportunity to fire the Neocon swamp creatures in his inner circle immediately before this gets any worse than it already has become. Trump should have never recognized Guaido, who anyone with half a brian knows is a Western Deep State asset. Maduro is in fact the duly elected President of Venezuela, whether the Neocons like it or not. This is going to turn into another Ukraine but it will be much worse because both China and Russia have heavy investments in Venezuela. The Venezuelan special forces are not a joke. The situation with the Diplomats could get out of hand rather quickly. Whoever advised Trump to recognize Guadio should be fired immediately but the damage is already done: Guaido doesn't stand a chance, the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro (much like the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych and the majority of Syrians support Assad - all Deep State propaganda to the contrary). The Deep State laid a trap for Trump and he took the bait. From the Deep State's perspective, Trump is now in a lose-lose situation: if he backtracks from his initial support for Guaido, Trump will look foolish; if he doubles down even further on Guadio (who is a Team Obama/Never-Trump Deep State puppet) he will look foolish when Maduro crushes Guaido.

Trump fell into a classic Deep State trap and it is sad that most here on GLP didn't see it coming and can't recognize it now for what it is. Hopefully Trump gets better advice and fast!!
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I get what you're saying, and I mostly agree. But Maduro is more a fool than even Trump. Trump is smart in subtle ways, but he just doesn't come across as being all that intelligent, IMHO.

> the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro

I doubt it...
 Quoting: OceanMan


You doubt it because you believe the reporting and proclamations of the same Deep State which gave us the Arab Spring and the Maidan.

I repeat: Trump is being set up.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I do agree that Trump is probably at the whim of these greater powers, though. No power on this planet is absolute.
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Maduro thugs will likely attack US diplomatic properties physically harming innocent Americans over the next few hours.

Trump must order full mobilization of US military to strike Venezuela with overwhelming military force,hard and fast.

I hope Trump is not being set up by dark forces at home here.

This situation on a slow burner risks getting out of control.Trump needs to act decisively fast.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


Maduro isn't stupid and, yes, Trump is being set up regarding Venezuela by the Deep State that hates him, including those within his inner circle (Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, etc.)

Maduro will most likely detain the diplomats if they don't leave. This will be for their own protection as there is a good chance a false flag operation is in the works to create a Benghazi-like scenario to blame on Maduro (and by extension Trump, who is currently being set up by the Deep State regarding Venezuela). The last person who will want these diplomats harmed is Maduro, as it will invite his own demise.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


In reality the most likely response would be sanctions and diplomatic pressure if the US ambassadors are detained, Trump beating his chest and saying we will kick you stupid if you try anything is likely to be said as more of a deterrent than a actual weighted threat...

Sometimes you don't need a bulle1t in chamber to make someone shit themselves...

But this has a lot of potential to go very bad and quickly, I can't see 500,000 troops deploying but most likely Air strikes and Missile strikes, if it was to kick off.
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#Russia's response is the key here, as it considers to establish a base in #Venezuela. Would Putin save Maduro as he saved Assad?

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 Quoting: NOFAKE


Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

omnomnom
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
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Russia has problems getting to Syria, either naval or air. They still manage it, though. They just don't have the political support I guess.

With regards to China, I hear they are accepting payment for Venezeulan loans in oil. Not sure how all this is going to work out, but BRING ME THE POPCORN.
 Quoting: OceanMan


Trump is being set up by the Deep Swamp. Trump needs to stop listening to the Deep State swamp creatures Pompeo, Bolton and Pence. In fact, Trump should take the opportunity to fire the Neocon swamp creatures in his inner circle immediately before this gets any worse than it already has become. Trump should have never recognized Guaido, who anyone with half a brian knows is a Western Deep State asset. Maduro is in fact the duly elected President of Venezuela, whether the Neocons like it or not. This is going to turn into another Ukraine but it will be much worse because both China and Russia have heavy investments in Venezuela. The Venezuelan special forces are not a joke. The situation with the Diplomats could get out of hand rather quickly. Whoever advised Trump to recognize Guadio should be fired immediately but the damage is already done: Guaido doesn't stand a chance, the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro (much like the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych and the majority of Syrians support Assad - all Deep State propaganda to the contrary). The Deep State laid a trap for Trump and he took the bait. From the Deep State's perspective, Trump is now in a lose-lose situation: if he backtracks from his initial support for Guaido, Trump will look foolish; if he doubles down even further on Guadio (who is a Team Obama/Never-Trump Deep State puppet) he will look foolish when Maduro crushes Guaido.

Trump fell into a classic Deep State trap and it is sad that most here on GLP didn't see it coming and can't recognize it now for what it is. Hopefully Trump gets better advice and fast!!
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I get what you're saying, and I mostly agree. But Maduro is more a fool than even Trump. Trump is smart in subtle ways, but he just doesn't come across as being all that intelligent, IMHO.

> the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro

I doubt it...
 Quoting: OceanMan


You doubt it because you believe the reporting and proclamations of the same Deep State which gave us the Arab Spring and the Maidan.

I repeat: Trump is being set up.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


and he's been fighting this War since he announced
his Candidacy for President.
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Maduro thugs will likely attack US diplomatic properties physically harming innocent Americans over the next few hours.

Trump must order full mobilization of US military to strike Venezuela with overwhelming military force,hard and fast.

I hope Trump is not being set up by dark forces at home here.

This situation on a slow burner risks getting out of control.Trump needs to act decisively fast.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


Maduro isn't stupid and, yes, Trump is being set up regarding Venezuela by the Deep State that hates him, including those within his inner circle (Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, etc.)

Maduro will most likely detain the diplomats if they don't leave. This will be for their own protection as there is a good chance a false flag operation is in the works to create a Benghazi-like scenario to blame on Maduro (and by extension Trump, who is currently being set up by the Deep State regarding Venezuela). The last person who will want these diplomats harmed is Maduro, as it will invite his own demise.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


In reality the most likely response would be sanctions and diplomatic pressure if the US ambassadors are detained, Trump beating his chest and saying we will kick you stupid if you try anything is likely to be said as more of a deterrent than a actual weighted threat...

Sometimes you don't need a bulle1t in chamber to make someone shit themselves...

But this has a lot of potential to go very bad and quickly, I can't see 500,000 troops deploying but most likely Air strikes and Missile strikes, if it was to kick off.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


The reason the diplomats will be detained if they don't leave would be to guarantee their security, given that there are most likely anti-Trump Deep State Mercs already in Venezuela for the purpose of false flag operations. Just think of the chaos during the Ukrainian Maidan. Of course, in that case it was Obama's US Diplomats who were directing the coup against the real President of Ukraine.
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Trump is being set up by the Deep Swamp. Trump needs to stop listening to the Deep State swamp creatures Pompeo, Bolton and Pence. In fact, Trump should take the opportunity to fire the Neocon swamp creatures in his inner circle immediately before this gets any worse than it already has become. Trump should have never recognized Guaido, who anyone with half a brian knows is a Western Deep State asset. Maduro is in fact the duly elected President of Venezuela, whether the Neocons like it or not. This is going to turn into another Ukraine but it will be much worse because both China and Russia have heavy investments in Venezuela. The Venezuelan special forces are not a joke. The situation with the Diplomats could get out of hand rather quickly. Whoever advised Trump to recognize Guadio should be fired immediately but the damage is already done: Guaido doesn't stand a chance, the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro (much like the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych and the majority of Syrians support Assad - all Deep State propaganda to the contrary). The Deep State laid a trap for Trump and he took the bait. From the Deep State's perspective, Trump is now in a lose-lose situation: if he backtracks from his initial support for Guaido, Trump will look foolish; if he doubles down even further on Guadio (who is a Team Obama/Never-Trump Deep State puppet) he will look foolish when Maduro crushes Guaido.

Trump fell into a classic Deep State trap and it is sad that most here on GLP didn't see it coming and can't recognize it now for what it is. Hopefully Trump gets better advice and fast!!
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I get what you're saying, and I mostly agree. But Maduro is more a fool than even Trump. Trump is smart in subtle ways, but he just doesn't come across as being all that intelligent, IMHO.

> the majority of actual Venezuelans support Maduro

I doubt it...
 Quoting: OceanMan


You doubt it because you believe the reporting and proclamations of the same Deep State which gave us the Arab Spring and the Maidan.

I repeat: Trump is being set up.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


I do agree that Trump is probably at the whim of these greater powers, though. No power on this planet is absolute.
 Quoting: OceanMan


I hope not.
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#Russia's response is the key here, as it considers to establish a base in #Venezuela. Would Putin save Maduro as he saved Assad?

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 Quoting: NOFAKE


Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

:omnomnom:
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Russia and China have billions invested in Venezuela. Those agreements were made with Chavez and Maduro who were both duly elected, not with a Western Deep State unelected puppet like Guaido.
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Maduro thugs will likely attack US diplomatic properties physically harming innocent Americans over the next few hours.

Trump must order full mobilization of US military to strike Venezuela with overwhelming military force,hard and fast.

I hope Trump is not being set up by dark forces at home here.

This situation on a slow burner risks getting out of control.Trump needs to act decisively fast.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


Maduro isn't stupid and, yes, Trump is being set up regarding Venezuela by the Deep State that hates him, including those within his inner circle (Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, etc.)

Maduro will most likely detain the diplomats if they don't leave. This will be for their own protection as there is a good chance a false flag operation is in the works to create a Benghazi-like scenario to blame on Maduro (and by extension Trump, who is currently being set up by the Deep State regarding Venezuela). The last person who will want these diplomats harmed is Maduro, as it will invite his own demise.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


In reality the most likely response would be sanctions and diplomatic pressure if the US ambassadors are detained, Trump beating his chest and saying we will kick you stupid if you try anything is likely to be said as more of a deterrent than a actual weighted threat...

Sometimes you don't need a bulle1t in chamber to make someone shit themselves...

But this has a lot of potential to go very bad and quickly, I can't see 500,000 troops deploying but most likely Air strikes and Missile strikes, if it was to kick off.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


The reason the diplomats will be detained if they don't leave would be to guarantee their security, given that there are most likely anti-Trump Deep State Mercs already in Venezuela for the purpose of false flag operations. Just think of the chaos during the Ukrainian Maidan. Of course, in that case it was Obama's US Diplomats who were directing the coup against the real President of Ukraine.
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I would not like to be one of the US ambassadors right now.
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Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
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it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

omnomnom
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I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
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Russia and China have billions invested in Venezuela. Those agreements were made with Chavez and Maduro who were both duly elected, not with a Western Deep State unelected puppet like Guaido.
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Yeah, this is where things get interesting. Venezeula has also nationalized foreign assets. Nobody (and no nation) is innocent the way I see things.
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Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
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it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

omnomnom
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I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Russia and China have billions invested in Venezuela. Those agreements were made with Chavez and Maduro who were both duly elected, not with a Western Deep State unelected puppet like Guaido.
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That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.

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Maduro isn't stupid and, yes, Trump is being set up regarding Venezuela by the Deep State that hates him, including those within his inner circle (Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, etc.)

Maduro will most likely detain the diplomats if they don't leave. This will be for their own protection as there is a good chance a false flag operation is in the works to create a Benghazi-like scenario to blame on Maduro (and by extension Trump, who is currently being set up by the Deep State regarding Venezuela). The last person who will want these diplomats harmed is Maduro, as it will invite his own demise.
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In reality the most likely response would be sanctions and diplomatic pressure if the US ambassadors are detained, Trump beating his chest and saying we will kick you stupid if you try anything is likely to be said as more of a deterrent than a actual weighted threat...

Sometimes you don't need a bulle1t in chamber to make someone shit themselves...

But this has a lot of potential to go very bad and quickly, I can't see 500,000 troops deploying but most likely Air strikes and Missile strikes, if it was to kick off.
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The reason the diplomats will be detained if they don't leave would be to guarantee their security, given that there are most likely anti-Trump Deep State Mercs already in Venezuela for the purpose of false flag operations. Just think of the chaos during the Ukrainian Maidan. Of course, in that case it was Obama's US Diplomats who were directing the coup against the real President of Ukraine.
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I would not like to be one of the US ambassadors right now.
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Hell no!
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Logistically this would prove Russia is back as a superpower, but Venezuela is a fair few miles further than Syria...

I don't know if they could do it at least with the same intensity it would require a large deployment and a lot of investment...

I'd be surprised if China doesn't make any moves (not necessarily invasion of Taiwan style) in the China Seas.
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it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

:omnomnom:
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I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
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they've been playing that since Putin jailed Pussy Riot.
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Maduro isn't stupid and, yes, Trump is being set up regarding Venezuela by the Deep State that hates him, including those within his inner circle (Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, etc.)

Maduro will most likely detain the diplomats if they don't leave. This will be for their own protection as there is a good chance a false flag operation is in the works to create a Benghazi-like scenario to blame on Maduro (and by extension Trump, who is currently being set up by the Deep State regarding Venezuela). The last person who will want these diplomats harmed is Maduro, as it will invite his own demise.
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In reality the most likely response would be sanctions and diplomatic pressure if the US ambassadors are detained, Trump beating his chest and saying we will kick you stupid if you try anything is likely to be said as more of a deterrent than a actual weighted threat...

Sometimes you don't need a bulle1t in chamber to make someone shit themselves...

But this has a lot of potential to go very bad and quickly, I can't see 500,000 troops deploying but most likely Air strikes and Missile strikes, if it was to kick off.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


The reason the diplomats will be detained if they don't leave would be to guarantee their security, given that there are most likely anti-Trump Deep State Mercs already in Venezuela for the purpose of false flag operations. Just think of the chaos during the Ukrainian Maidan. Of course, in that case it was Obama's US Diplomats who were directing the coup against the real President of Ukraine.
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I would not like to be one of the US ambassadors right now.
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The Anti-Trump Deep State wants him to have his own Benghazi. The Deep State is clearly setting him up. Trump is surrounded by Neocon Deep State swamp advisors. He needs prayers now more than ever before.
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it'll just be a total replay of The Cuban Missile Crisis.
maybe it'll have a different outcome this time?

:omnomnom:
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I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
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Russia and China have billions invested in Venezuela. Those agreements were made with Chavez and Maduro who were both duly elected, not with a Western Deep State unelected puppet like Guaido.
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That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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In reality the most likely response would be sanctions and diplomatic pressure if the US ambassadors are detained, Trump beating his chest and saying we will kick you stupid if you try anything is likely to be said as more of a deterrent than a actual weighted threat...

Sometimes you don't need a bulle1t in chamber to make someone shit themselves...

But this has a lot of potential to go very bad and quickly, I can't see 500,000 troops deploying but most likely Air strikes and Missile strikes, if it was to kick off.
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The reason the diplomats will be detained if they don't leave would be to guarantee their security, given that there are most likely anti-Trump Deep State Mercs already in Venezuela for the purpose of false flag operations. Just think of the chaos during the Ukrainian Maidan. Of course, in that case it was Obama's US Diplomats who were directing the coup against the real President of Ukraine.
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I would not like to be one of the US ambassadors right now.
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The Anti-Trump Deep State wants him to have his own Benghazi. The Deep State is clearly setting him up. Trump is surrounded by Neocon Deep State swamp advisors. He needs prayers now more than ever before.
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There are factions everywhere, and powerful people can belong to different factions simultaneously and switch sides on a whim, depending on which way the wind blows.

Trump is not alone.

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I think if it came to that (which I don't think it would) then Russia would concede on this one given the fact it's logistically impractical for Russia to do something meaningful, however if expect to see something big in return within Russia's region of projection, a real ballsy statement like more support to Iran, China, Syria, Turkey European theatre (Balkans) maybe even more assertive acts in the polar region.
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Russia and China have billions invested in Venezuela. Those agreements were made with Chavez and Maduro who were both duly elected, not with a Western Deep State unelected puppet like Guaido.
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That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.
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Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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Without a doubt...

But to the extent that people are talking about interventions and so forth, its not possible for Russia to mount any sort of support at the same level it does in Syria...

It would require a large deployment, taskforce mobilization as it's a very long way from home, so to sustain and secure a line for resupply Russia would have to effectively go all in, but they would then be committed, these are lessons learnt from 79, from Georgia and recently Syria...

It would put Russia at the disadvantage if it provided military support, however elsewhere it would be possible for Russia to stir the pot for the US.
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Russia and China have billions invested in Venezuela. Those agreements were made with Chavez and Maduro who were both duly elected, not with a Western Deep State unelected puppet like Guaido.
 Quoting: EightAndSand


That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.
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Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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Without a doubt...

But to the extent that people are talking about interventions and so forth, its not possible for Russia to mount any sort of support at the same level it does in Syria...

It would require a large deployment, taskforce mobilization as it's a very long way from home, so to sustain and secure a line for resupply Russia would have to effectively go all in, but they would then be committed, these are lessons learnt from 79, from Georgia and recently Syria...

It would put Russia at the disadvantage if it provided military support, however elsewhere it would be possible for Russia to stir the pot for the US.
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We don't know the level of Russian and Chinese military assets presently in Venezuela or the commitments Russia and China have made to Maduro. What we do know is that Russia and China are not going to recognize an unelected usurper like Guaido. We also know that the Russians are Chinese are long-term planners and the Neocons, like drug addicts, think only in the short-term.
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The only intervention I would accept is a naval and aerial blockade. That'll keep the commie countries out of there. Not one drop of American blood needs to be spilled over this bus driver.
Let the Brazilians and Colombians handle the boots on the ground part. The Ven. army is rag-tag and starved. No way will they fight for Maduro if push comes to shove.
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Air drop arms to the civilians let them do it.
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I concur! As long as there are no American boots other than Spec Ops to instruct the counter resistance.
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Worked wonders in Syria
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Probably most civilians in Venezuela support Maduro. I don't sense there's any movement among the very numerous poor people there for the stability of a capitalist government. They are still grateful for Chavez doing things like giving them free houses.
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That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.
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Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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Without a doubt...

But to the extent that people are talking about interventions and so forth, its not possible for Russia to mount any sort of support at the same level it does in Syria...

It would require a large deployment, taskforce mobilization as it's a very long way from home, so to sustain and secure a line for resupply Russia would have to effectively go all in, but they would then be committed, these are lessons learnt from 79, from Georgia and recently Syria...

It would put Russia at the disadvantage if it provided military support, however elsewhere it would be possible for Russia to stir the pot for the US.
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We don't know the level of Russian and Chinese military assets presently in Venezuela or the commitments Russia and China have made to Maduro. What we do know is that Russia and China are not going to recognize an unelected usurper like Guaido. We also know that the Russians are Chinese are long-term planners and the Neocons, like drug addicts, think only in the short-term.
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But Trump is president and he's a long term planner too. He doesn't want Russian and/or Chinese bases on the Caribbean. Beyond of course what Jimmy Carter GAVE China when he GAVE them the fucking Panama Canal. Oh the treason still burns ...

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Air drop arms to the civilians let them do it.
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I concur! As long as there are no American boots other than Spec Ops to instruct the counter resistance.
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Worked wonders in Syria
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Probably most civilians in Venezuela support Maduro. I don't sense there's any movement among the very numerous poor people there for the stability of a capitalist government. They are still grateful for Chavez doing things like giving them free houses.
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I read that Soros spent billions on the "protestors" in Ukraine. I wonder how much he has spent on the "protesters" in Venezuela?
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That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.
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Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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Without a doubt...

But to the extent that people are talking about interventions and so forth, its not possible for Russia to mount any sort of support at the same level it does in Syria...

It would require a large deployment, taskforce mobilization as it's a very long way from home, so to sustain and secure a line for resupply Russia would have to effectively go all in, but they would then be committed, these are lessons learnt from 79, from Georgia and recently Syria...

It would put Russia at the disadvantage if it provided military support, however elsewhere it would be possible for Russia to stir the pot for the US.
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We don't know the level of Russian and Chinese military assets presently in Venezuela or the commitments Russia and China have made to Maduro. What we do know is that Russia and China are not going to recognize an unelected usurper like Guaido. We also know that the Russians are Chinese are long-term planners and the Neocons, like drug addicts, think only in the short-term.
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Internet Research Agency much? chuckle
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That's why we wouldn't see Russia and China just say yeah ok bud you carry on...

It's why we can expect arming, training and deployments and political actions different areas of the globe, that Russia can get to and support, at the moment Venezuela would be stretching supply lines way too thin, it would require a large deployment to support it, something Russia can not do at this moment in time outside of its region.
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Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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Without a doubt...

But to the extent that people are talking about interventions and so forth, its not possible for Russia to mount any sort of support at the same level it does in Syria...

It would require a large deployment, taskforce mobilization as it's a very long way from home, so to sustain and secure a line for resupply Russia would have to effectively go all in, but they would then be committed, these are lessons learnt from 79, from Georgia and recently Syria...

It would put Russia at the disadvantage if it provided military support, however elsewhere it would be possible for Russia to stir the pot for the US.
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We don't know the level of Russian and Chinese military assets presently in Venezuela or the commitments Russia and China have made to Maduro. What we do know is that Russia and China are not going to recognize an unelected usurper like Guaido. We also know that the Russians are Chinese are long-term planners and the Neocons, like drug addicts, think only in the short-term.
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Russia doesn't have anything in Venezuela, which makes this all the more interesting, it's effectively the US attempting to prevent a Russian base in the Caribbean hence the support for the opposition.

If Russia has a presence large enough to support a military intervention the US and everyone else would have noticed and definelty seen it by now.

Right now the infrastructure and logistics aren't in place, that's why the US is acting now.

It's strategic balancing 101, it's not to different from what the Russians did with Crimea, only the US is using a proxy rather than the military.1
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Air drop arms to the civilians let them do it.
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I concur! As long as there are no American boots other than Spec Ops to instruct the counter resistance.
 Quoting: JohnDonson


Worked wonders in Syria
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Probably most civilians in Venezuela support Maduro. I don't sense there's any movement among the very numerous poor people there for the stability of a capitalist government. They are still grateful for Chavez doing things like giving them free houses.
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I think there is a somewhat popular consensus towards the opposition, however I'm not currently sure on the balance there between the two...

One thing us for certain socio-economically they're in a poor state of affairs so there's bound to be genuine ages there, but to what extent is another matter and how deep a hijack may go is yet to be seen.
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Cuban, Chinese and Russian intelligence services have been in Venezuela for a long time. And Russia and China have regular military flights into Venezuela. I'm sure the moment Putin saw Obama violently overthrow Ukraine, he started thinking about an eventual Neocon Coup in Venezuela.
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Without a doubt...

But to the extent that people are talking about interventions and so forth, its not possible for Russia to mount any sort of support at the same level it does in Syria...

It would require a large deployment, taskforce mobilization as it's a very long way from home, so to sustain and secure a line for resupply Russia would have to effectively go all in, but they would then be committed, these are lessons learnt from 79, from Georgia and recently Syria...

It would put Russia at the disadvantage if it provided military support, however elsewhere it would be possible for Russia to stir the pot for the US.
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We don't know the level of Russian and Chinese military assets presently in Venezuela or the commitments Russia and China have made to Maduro. What we do know is that Russia and China are not going to recognize an unelected usurper like Guaido. We also know that the Russians are Chinese are long-term planners and the Neocons, like drug addicts, think only in the short-term.
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Russia doesn't have anything in Venezuela, which makes this all the more interesting, it's effectively the US attempting to prevent a Russian base in the Caribbean hence the support for the opposition.

If Russia has a presence large enough to support a military intervention the US and everyone else would have noticed and definelty seen it by now.

Right now the infrastructure and logistics aren't in place, that's why the US is acting now.

It's strategic balancing 101, it's not to different from what the Russians did with Crimea, only the US is using a proxy rather than the military.1
 Quoting: Stand Sure


Russian bases? LOL!

Bases - like aircraft carriers - are quickly becoming expensive liabilities with the latest advancements in hypersonic missile technology.

Putin and the Chinese must have read Ben Rich's Skunk Works, while Team Neocon was busy being distracted reading the Talmud.





GLP