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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
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Well look at results of US/West meddling in other countries;

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Ukraine and now Venezuela.

All turned to shit.

Now give me examples of Russian/Chinese meddling ?

No countries are angels but we have to call out those that are downright evil.
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Exactly
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I'm pretty sure Pacifica is just a somewhat deluded Kiwi (I still respect his opinion, though), but I really do suspect that this "Kung Fu" guy is actually employed by the Internet Research Agency, or some other related outfit.

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GLP has a problem with this, and it didn't end when KneelB4*** left.
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I'd have to respectively disagree sir.. I've conversed with both of them prior to this thread taking off in this thread. The only interest is attempting to get honest, relevant and unbiased facts of the situation in the light. So that people can be aware of exactly what's happening in Venezuela
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I don't mind "unbiased facts", but I'd hardly call what many people here (including those people who you mention) think of as being "unbiased" is actually such.
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Because it doesn't fit your narrative that you believe in.. you need to back track this thread about 100pgs and start from there.. you are obviously confused...
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The fact is that there are really no "unbiased facts".
Everything is (probably, almost certainly, but I'm not going to get into a deep philosophical argument about this), subjective.
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NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
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Hey Watchout, I advise you to start deleting all the posts that complain about the narrative in this thread including the trolls. Otherwise your thread will get derailed to the point that they will shut it down like they did WW3 thread.

Shills decided to nuke it, its the best advise I can give you, if you care about the thread.
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We must all be very vigilant today, as many agent provocateurs, mainly from eastern bloc countries countries, including China, will try and push for mayhem in Venezuela, in order to derail the further push for democratization in South America and other countries.
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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


Alright i give you props for seeing the light and then you proceed to ramble on like another one of these trolls.. kneelb4zd was one at the forefront when Ukraines leadership was replaced with a puesch government. As well a lot of on the ground Intel reports regarding Syria and turkey.. who are you..? Is obvious a good percentage of you are new to glp. If not new certainly not long timers...
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I honestly think he was just a regular guy who bought into the whole St. Petersburg narrative, without being a paid operative. I could be wrong...

And I'm certainly not a troll. Just saying what I think.
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But the context of what your implying is completely ludicrous and irrelevant to the topic of this thread.. it'd really be a good idea if you had the time to scroll back a couple dozen pages and just briefly peruse thru this thread until you've reached back to this point. It just may give you a clearer picture of the situation and the players involved..
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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


Well look at results of US/West meddling in other countries;

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Ukraine and now Venezuela.

All turned to shit.

Now give me examples of Russian/Chinese meddling ?

No countries are angels but we have to call out those that are downright evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77429748


Ukraine, Afghanistan, Venezuela,
Over the years
Russian Federation
1.[Syria]
2.Ukraine/Crimea
3.Georgia (allegedly on behalf of Abkhazia and South Ossetian govts, which Russia now recognizes as countries)
4.[Chechnya] - Chechnya declared independence from Russia, but that was largely not recognized

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
1.Afghanistan
2.Czechoslovakia
3.[China] - border conflict over an island in the Amur river
4.Hungary
5.WW2:
a.[Germany, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Korea, Japan, China] - Soviet forces fought their way into these countries from 1944-45, driving back occupying Axis troops and the local Axis-allied forces. After the war, the Soviet Union took territory Poland, Romania, and Hungary into the USSR's borders, and moved other borders around. Also invaded were the Baltic States and Moldova, which the Soviet Union considered its own territory at this point, whether or not the locals did; there was also fighting with anti-Soviet partisans within USSR borders, especially in Ukraine.
b.[Yugoslavia] - Soviet troops crossed this country as part of the war, but the local partisans, who had largely liberated the country, didn't let them stay and occupy.
c.Iran - invaded to provide a link to British forces in southern Iran
d.Finland 1940 - Winter War
e.Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania/Moldova - the territories the Soviet Union incorporated it into itself as a result of the Secret Protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
f.Poland 1939 - also invaded under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
6.Poland 1919 - Polish-Soviet War

Soviet Russia
1.Transcaucasian Republic - a communist state that was temporarily independent of Moscow/Petrograd
2.[Various independent Ukrainian states/governments, none of which had been around long]
3.Russian Civil War
a.[various governments claiming to be 'White,' 'Monarchist' etc. Russia]
b.[Finland, the Baltic States, the Central Asian and Caucasus states], all of which had varying strength independence movements to break out of the Russian Empire, which they had been part of before. Finland and the Baltic States managed to win independence.

Russian Empire
1.First World War
a.Germany - Russia launched the initial invasion of East Prussia, which ended in disaster at the Battle of Tannenberg. For the rest of the war, most of the German-Russian fighting would be on Russian territory
b.Austro-Hungary, Turkey - most of the war on these fronts was fought in Austro-Hungarian and Turkish territory
2.China
3.Several Central Asian states, including but not limited to Bukhara, Khiva, Kokand
4.Persia
5.Various Caucasus territories, which never really reached the level of 'countries.' Chechnya and Dagestan are the most famous in the West, because of the writings of Tolstoy, Pushkin and Lermontov, but the deportation of the Circassians from the West Caucasus could be considered an early form of ethnic cleansing.
6.Ottoman Empire, many times (the wars are just identified by number or dates). Almost all the fighting took place in Ottoman territory in the Caucasus and Balkans.
7.[Hungary] - Russian troops attempted to assist Austrians in putting down a Hungarian uprising during the Spring of Nations in 1848
8.Napoleonic Wars
a.Over the course of the war, Russian forced invaded French-controlled territory in Italy, many German states, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and France itself.
9.Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (three times, the Partitions of Poland). Also, several times Russian troops crushed Polish-independence movements.
10.Alaska and California, at the time only held by Native American tribes
11.Siberia, at the time held by a variety of Tatar, Mongolic, Finno-Ugric and other groups/tribes/states.
12.(interestingly, there was an attempt to colonize Madagascar. Peter the Great died shortly after the expedition sailed, and the commander decided to return home to Russia rather than continue)
13.Sweden (particularly Swedish-held territory in modern Finland and Estonia and around St. Petersburg, as well as Polish territories as far south as modern Ukraine)
14.[Crimea] Catherine the Great's forces were invited in by local Crimean rulers, preferring St. Petersburg's rule to the Ottoman Porte.
15.[Georgia] the ruling house of Georgia voluntarily joined the Russian Empire. What other Georgians thought/think about it is a different issue

Duchy of Moscow
1.several successor states to the Golden [Mongol] Horde, including Kazan and Astrakhan
2.Other Russian duchies; the most powerful of these was Novgorod

you were saying!
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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


Well look at results of US/West meddling in other countries;

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Ukraine and now Venezuela.

All turned to shit.

Now give me examples of Russian/Chinese meddling ?

No countries are angels but we have to call out those that are downright evil.
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Well, where do we start?

I'm not going to go and research this shit, but China took Tibet, and now it claims huge areas of the South "China" Sea.

Russia had two wars in Chechnya, one minor war in Georgia, and on-going war in Ukraine, etc...

It's basically the same meddling (albeit, on a lesser scale) that the US engages in.
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Another initially informative GLP thread fallen into a black hole of bickering and mudslinging.
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Hey Watchout, I advise you to start deleting all the posts that complain about the narrative in this thread including the trolls. Otherwise your thread will get derailed to the point that they will shut it down like they did WW3 thread.

Shills decided to nuke it, its the best advise I can give you, if you care about the thread.
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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


Alright i give you props for seeing the light and then you proceed to ramble on like another one of these trolls.. kneelb4zd was one at the forefront when Ukraines leadership was replaced with a puesch government. As well a lot of on the ground Intel reports regarding Syria and turkey.. who are you..? Is obvious a good percentage of you are new to glp. If not new certainly not long timers...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73602008


I honestly think he was just a regular guy who bought into the whole St. Petersburg narrative, without being a paid operative. I could be wrong...

And I'm certainly not a troll. Just saying what I think.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


But the context of what your implying is completely ludicrous and irrelevant to the topic of this thread.. it'd really be a good idea if you had the time to scroll back a couple dozen pages and just briefly peruse thru this thread until you've reached back to this point. It just may give you a clearer picture of the situation and the players involved..
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Dude, I've been here for years. I know exactly what the fuck is going on.

Thanks for the advice, though (not being sarcastic).
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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


Well look at results of US/West meddling in other countries;

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Ukraine and now Venezuela.

All turned to shit.

Now give me examples of Russian/Chinese meddling ?

No countries are angels but we have to call out those that are downright evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77429748


China done pretty well as well.

Korea: there have several and repeated invasions by Chinese dynasties although it is various ethnic dynasties from China to invade them. The list started from Han conquest of Gojoseon, which Northern Korea went under Chinese subject for 400 years. The Goguryeo–Tang War turned Korea under Chinese subject for a shorter era, over 60 years until Dae Jo Young overthrew Chinese authorities and established Balhae. Some included Goryeo–Khitan War, Mongol invasions of Korea, Qing invasion of Joseon. Both of them were once referred as foreign invaders until 1911 when Sun Yat-sen considered them parts of Chinese history. The last conquest from China was Korean War which it successfully established a buffer nation named North Korea. Most Koreans are heavily resenting China due to repeat conquests from China to Korea although it differs from various dynasties as I have indicated.
2.Vietnam: Vietnam is like a cancer for China because of long history in war between two nations. Since the Qin's campaign against the Yue tribes, various Chinese dynasties invaded Vietnam. They successfully established 1.000 years of domination which it heavily influenced Vietnam in later history, only to get kicked out after Battle of Bạch Đằng (938). Chinese Empire saw Vietnam crucial not because of resources but because its location is a sea route trade and it is the heart of sea control in Asia. Taking Vietnam’d grant China full control of seas. So repeated invasions from China to Vietnam occurred. The Ming was the most successful after 1.000 years to re-dominate Vietnam until they were overthrown by Le Loi’s Lam Sơn uprising at 1427. Before that, Vietnamese also defeated the Mongols during Mongol invasions of Vietnam, which is still recorded as great achievement of Vietnamese military. The latest was Sino-Vietnamese War which ended indecisive however China suffered heavy military casualties that forced the whole Politburo of China to accept Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. Had China won this war, hardly there would be a reform.
3.India and Pakistan (prior to 1947 as British India): very rare but of course not always wonderful. While ancient China and India had no record of hostility, modern features showed a bad history. China was humiliated by India when India was still under British rule (Boxer Rebellion and British expedition to Tibet), the British expedition sometimes coined as Indian invasion to China although it largely occurred in Tibet which was under Qing China rule since most troops involved in this war were Indians. As independent nations, they fought two wars (Sino-Indian War and Nathu La and Cho La clashes), which both won 1 war and China was the invader in both conflicts.
4.Russia: both had imperial ambitions so wars between them could not be avoided. The Sino-Russian border conflicts at Qing Dynasty was a Chinese victory, but later defeats on the hand of European powers resulted with Russia’s reconquest following the Treaty of Aigun 1860. Since then, there was a lot of ambitions from China to retake, but it didn’t end well. China and USSR also fought in Sino-Soviet border conflict. In 2004, they resolved border conflict and both gave back lands to each others, thus ending border disputes.
5.Mongolia: Mongolia was traditionally viewed by China with suspicious, but China also planned to conquer Mongolia. Under Qing rule, Mongolia was under Chinese subject and later under Republic of China, the Chinese reconquered Mongolia after she declared independent, until Russian force drove Chinese troops out.
6.Japan: the Mongol invasions of Japan was the first, and perhaps, the only time China sought to invade Japan under Yuan Dynasty. Except for that, hardly we could find out any other Chinese attempts to re-invade Japan.
7.Myanmar/Burma: the Yuan First Mongol invasion of Burma was the first invasion from China to Burma. This invasion was successful in toppling Bagan dynasty. The Ming dynasty slowly drove the Burmese out of Yunnan and finally relinquished control of Burmese authority. The Qing Empire invaded Burma four times and got defeated all, but Burmese suffered a high casualties to win counting on number of population. Chinese KMT troops invaded Burma in hope using Burma as a safe route to overthrow People’s Republic of China.
8.Nepal: Nepal was invaded by Qing China at the Sino-Nepalese War as China was offered to assist Tibet. It was a failed invasion however China successfully forced Nepal to pay tributary for them and also absorbed Tibet well.
9.Taiwan: it is complicated. Taiwan was under Chinese rule at the Qing Empire following Koxinga’s Kingdom of Tungning’s defeat, however when Japan invaded the island, it made complex. Taiwan and China started hostility at 1951 when PLA Navy planned to conquer Taiwan, that lead the U.S. to deploy their fleet and threatened China with war. However, Taiwan’s question remains unclear.
10.Central Asia: I remember the war and invasions from Tang and Qing dynasties. They did invade these territory, but prior to late 20th century, they were not even forming any countries overall.
11.Indonesia: they did plan under the Yuan Dynasty, sending a naval expedition overall but the Yuan was defeated.

Two other topics are very complicated: Tibet and Xinjiang were actually once independent nations and they had a long history. However, Xinjiang, known as Turkestan, was conquered by Tang Empire until Tang’s demise. Both were later conquered at the Yuan and Qing Dynasties. The Qing dynasty put a heavy legacy that later the PRC sought to re-establish China’s border from the Qing. It worked. The Yunnanese Nanzhao Kingdom was also independent until toppled by the Mongols at 13th century. Since then, Chinese colonized the place. Manchuria located in Northern China was once heartland of Manchus but the establishment of Qing Dynasty finally made it integrated to China.

Therefore, with the name of 中国 throughout history of 2.200 years exist, China had invaded many neighbors. And it all started with the Qin Dynasty!

Again you were saying!
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Another initially informative GLP thread fallen into a black hole of bickering and mudslinging.
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Sit back and enjoy. It's quite entertaining honestly.
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The other thing is that KB4Z was never actually a paid agent, but he did get hooked on the whole spiel that was being pushed out from St. Petersburg.

Everybody is susceptible to the effects of propaganda. It's important for the average Joe to try to remain clear of this bullshit, especially here on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77422373


Well look at results of US/West meddling in other countries;

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Ukraine and now Venezuela.

All turned to shit.

Now give me examples of Russian/Chinese meddling ?

No countries are angels but we have to call out those that are downright evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77429748


Ukraine, Afghanistan, Venezuela,
Over the years
Russian Federation
1.[Syria]
2.Ukraine/Crimea
3.Georgia (allegedly on behalf of Abkhazia and South Ossetian govts, which Russia now recognizes as countries)
4.[Chechnya] - Chechnya declared independence from Russia, but that was largely not recognized

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
1.Afghanistan
2.Czechoslovakia
3.[China] - border conflict over an island in the Amur river
4.Hungary
5.WW2:
a.[Germany, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Korea, Japan, China] - Soviet forces fought their way into these countries from 1944-45, driving back occupying Axis troops and the local Axis-allied forces. After the war, the Soviet Union took territory Poland, Romania, and Hungary into the USSR's borders, and moved other borders around. Also invaded were the Baltic States and Moldova, which the Soviet Union considered its own territory at this point, whether or not the locals did; there was also fighting with anti-Soviet partisans within USSR borders, especially in Ukraine.
b.[Yugoslavia] - Soviet troops crossed this country as part of the war, but the local partisans, who had largely liberated the country, didn't let them stay and occupy.
c.Iran - invaded to provide a link to British forces in southern Iran
d.Finland 1940 - Winter War
e.Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania/Moldova - the territories the Soviet Union incorporated it into itself as a result of the Secret Protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
f.Poland 1939 - also invaded under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
6.Poland 1919 - Polish-Soviet War

Soviet Russia
1.Transcaucasian Republic - a communist state that was temporarily independent of Moscow/Petrograd
2.[Various independent Ukrainian states/governments, none of which had been around long]
3.Russian Civil War
a.[various governments claiming to be 'White,' 'Monarchist' etc. Russia]
b.[Finland, the Baltic States, the Central Asian and Caucasus states], all of which had varying strength independence movements to break out of the Russian Empire, which they had been part of before. Finland and the Baltic States managed to win independence.

Russian Empire
1.First World War
a.Germany - Russia launched the initial invasion of East Prussia, which ended in disaster at the Battle of Tannenberg. For the rest of the war, most of the German-Russian fighting would be on Russian territory
b.Austro-Hungary, Turkey - most of the war on these fronts was fought in Austro-Hungarian and Turkish territory
2.China
3.Several Central Asian states, including but not limited to Bukhara, Khiva, Kokand
4.Persia
5.Various Caucasus territories, which never really reached the level of 'countries.' Chechnya and Dagestan are the most famous in the West, because of the writings of Tolstoy, Pushkin and Lermontov, but the deportation of the Circassians from the West Caucasus could be considered an early form of ethnic cleansing.
6.Ottoman Empire, many times (the wars are just identified by number or dates). Almost all the fighting took place in Ottoman territory in the Caucasus and Balkans.
7.[Hungary] - Russian troops attempted to assist Austrians in putting down a Hungarian uprising during the Spring of Nations in 1848
8.Napoleonic Wars
a.Over the course of the war, Russian forced invaded French-controlled territory in Italy, many German states, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and France itself.
9.Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (three times, the Partitions of Poland). Also, several times Russian troops crushed Polish-independence movements.
10.Alaska and California, at the time only held by Native American tribes
11.Siberia, at the time held by a variety of Tatar, Mongolic, Finno-Ugric and other groups/tribes/states.
12.(interestingly, there was an attempt to colonize Madagascar. Peter the Great died shortly after the expedition sailed, and the commander decided to return home to Russia rather than continue)
13.Sweden (particularly Swedish-held territory in modern Finland and Estonia and around St. Petersburg, as well as Polish territories as far south as modern Ukraine)
14.[Crimea] Catherine the Great's forces were invited in by local Crimean rulers, preferring St. Petersburg's rule to the Ottoman Porte.
15.[Georgia] the ruling house of Georgia voluntarily joined the Russian Empire. What other Georgians thought/think about it is a different issue

Duchy of Moscow
1.several successor states to the Golden [Mongol] Horde, including Kazan and Astrakhan
2.Other Russian duchies; the most powerful of these was Novgorod

you were saying!
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We must all be very vigilant today, as many agent provocateurs, mainly from eastern bloc countries countries, including China, will try and push for mayhem in Venezuela, in order to derail the further push for democratization in South America and other countries.
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You are absolutely insane if you believe that bullshit you just typed.. you fucking clown
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We must all be very vigilant today, as many agent provocateurs, mainly from eastern bloc countries countries, including China, will try and push for mayhem in Venezuela, in order to derail the further push for democratization in South America and other countries.
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You are absolutely insane if you believe that bullshit you just typed.. you fucking clown
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U mad
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Another initially informative GLP thread fallen into a black hole of bickering and mudslinging.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48112806


Sit back and enjoy. It's quite entertaining honestly.
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You can thank them:
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Another initially informative GLP thread fallen into a black hole of bickering and mudslinging.
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Sit back and enjoy. It's quite entertaining honestly.
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The copy and paste fest?!

I'll pass. I'll check back in a couple hours.
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Hey Watchout, I advise you to start deleting all the posts that complain about the narrative in this thread including the trolls. Otherwise your thread will get derailed to the point that they will shut it down like they did WW3 thread.

Shills decided to nuke it, its the best advise I can give you, if you care about the thread.
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bump
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I completely disagree. As soon as neutrals or non-paid personages start to raise concerns, we hear the same thing.

Nobody should have their posts deleted because they do not agree with the general theme that seems to have been perpetuated in this thread.

Everybody's opinion is important.

If somebody is being abusive, then sure, ban them. But if somebody is trying to express a viewpoint which does not adhere to the general herd mentality which appears to be going on here, let this viewpoint remain.
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We must all be very vigilant today, as many agent provocateurs, mainly from eastern bloc countries countries, including China, will try and push for mayhem in Venezuela, in order to derail the further push for democratization in South America and other countries.
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You are absolutely insane if you believe that bullshit you just typed.. you fucking clown
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Really,

All Dictators shit in the same pot.
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Hey Watchout, I advise you to start deleting all the posts that complain about the narrative in this thread including the trolls. Otherwise your thread will get derailed to the point that they will shut it down like they did WW3 thread.

Shills decided to nuke it, its the best advise I can give you, if you care about the thread.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70229547


bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73602008


I completely disagree. As soon as neutrals or non-paid personages start to raise concerns, we hear the same thing.

Nobody should have their posts deleted because they do not agree with the general theme that seems to have been perpetuated in this thread.

Everybody's opinion is important.

If somebody is being abusive, then sure, ban them. But if somebody is trying to express a viewpoint which does not adhere to the general herd mentality which appears to be going on here, let this viewpoint remain.
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I

What I'm seeing is a lot of the vernacular I've used being picked up and adopted to the vocabulary of those trying to keep this thread off topic.. op needs to purge a good percentage of the last 10-12pages. Or moderately edit irrelevant posts.
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Hey Watchout, I advise you to start deleting all the posts that complain about the narrative in this thread including the trolls. Otherwise your thread will get derailed to the point that they will shut it down like they did WW3 thread.

Shills decided to nuke it, its the best advise I can give you, if you care about the thread.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70229547


bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73602008


I completely disagree. As soon as neutrals or non-paid personages start to raise concerns, we hear the same thing.

Nobody should have their posts deleted because they do not agree with the general theme that seems to have been perpetuated in this thread.

Everybody's opinion is important.

If somebody is being abusive, then sure, ban them. But if somebody is trying to express a viewpoint which does not adhere to the general herd mentality which appears to be going on here, let this viewpoint remain.
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clappa

That's how dictators works by deleting history if it docent benefit them.
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We must all be very vigilant today, as many agent provocateurs, mainly from eastern bloc countries countries, including China, will try and push for mayhem in Venezuela, in order to derail the further push for democratization in South America and other countries.
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You are absolutely insane if you believe that bullshit you just typed.. you fucking clown
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Really,

All Dictators shit in the same pot.
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How bout you type Venezuela in the search bar and read some older threads about how this situation had evolved and morphed into what it is now.. promise you'll be enlightened a good bit
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Again you were saying!
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I only posted stuff from 2000, as I regard us now as living in the age of information....And ignorance is no longer an excuse.
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Nothing will happen.
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Oh god the "nothing will happen" posts ended so well last night. That was some trollfest.

putin
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But it's true. This thread will eventually die. The story will be forgotten.

Don't get mad, just understand this is how it truly is.

Lots of people on here like to make a big deal about nothing.

You know I'm right.


Nothing will happen. Bank on it.
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Breaking: This thread is over 200 pages and nothing has happened. Just wanted to remind everyone
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The people of Venezuela deserve better than to have a delusional and paranoid president. They aspire to live freely and under a democratic regime. All things which will NEVER happen under Maduro.
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...

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bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73602008


I completely disagree. As soon as neutrals or non-paid personages start to raise concerns, we hear the same thing.

Nobody should have their posts deleted because they do not agree with the general theme that seems to have been perpetuated in this thread.

Everybody's opinion is important.

If somebody is being abusive, then sure, ban them. But if somebody is trying to express a viewpoint which does not adhere to the general herd mentality which appears to be going on here, let this viewpoint remain.
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clappa

That's how dictators works by deleting history if it docent benefit them.
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And that's bullshit, it's known as cleaning up a thread. And i agree a good number of my own should be purged as well.. it's called being aware of junking up an important thread with subject matter that had no relevance to the topic...
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Nothing will happen.
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Oh god the "nothing will happen" posts ended so well last night. That was some trollfest.

putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77405204


But it's true. This thread will eventually die. The story will be forgotten.

Don't get mad, just understand this is how it truly is.

Lots of people on here like to make a big deal about nothing.

You know I'm right.


Nothing will happen. Bank on it.
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Oh I agree with you. Probably cause I've been on GLP for a long time. It's just that last night the thread was completely overrun by trolls.
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bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73602008


I completely disagree. As soon as neutrals or non-paid personages start to raise concerns, we hear the same thing.

Nobody should have their posts deleted because they do not agree with the general theme that seems to have been perpetuated in this thread.

Everybody's opinion is important.

If somebody is being abusive, then sure, ban them. But if somebody is trying to express a viewpoint which does not adhere to the general herd mentality which appears to be going on here, let this viewpoint remain.
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I

What I'm seeing is a lot of the vernacular I've used being picked up and adopted to the vocabulary of those trying to keep this thread off topic.. op needs to purge a good percentage of the last 10-12pages. Or moderately edit irrelevant posts.
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And ban Suiss guy since he doesn't even have his own opinions, he is that dense he can't produce one. All he has is one liner troll posts. He doesn't contribute with news or opinions he got nothing.





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