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The only base Maduro has is the criminal officers in charge of the military. Any resistance in the past has been made to disappear with typical strongman tactics. Millions are starving and fleeing the country. The United States tries to help and gets accused of trying to colonize. That video is a joke.
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The only base Maduro has is the criminal officers in charge of the military. Any resistance in the past has been made to disappear with typical strongman tactics. Millions are starving and fleeing the country. The United States tries to help and gets accused of trying to colonize. That video is a joke.
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I get the feeling you didn't watch it all. They discuss many points there.
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The only base Maduro has is the criminal officers in charge of the military. Any resistance in the past has been made to disappear with typical strongman tactics. Millions are starving and fleeing the country. The United States tries to help and gets accused of trying to colonize. That video is a joke.
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Maduro and Chavez didn't help the situation no, but the US were influential in placing sanctions upon the nation declaring Venezualea a threat to its national security...

It snowballs from there.
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The only base Maduro has is the criminal officers in charge of the military. Any resistance in the past has been made to disappear with typical strongman tactics. Millions are starving and fleeing the country. The United States tries to help and gets accused of trying to colonize. That video is a joke.
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You say his only base is his military, but there are also the 6 million or so people that support Maduro. Yes, there are many marching against him, but there are those who support him too.

As for the US trying to help, there's a long history of US involvement in that part of the world (and other pats of the wold too of course). This article lists some of it:

[link to www.apnews.com (secure)]

That intervention is definitely motivated by more than the desire to help people.

Venezuela has a population of 30 million, they weren't all on the streets the other day, and many of them are aware, and wary, of this history of US intervention. As Paul Jay points out in that video, both Chavez and Maduro played into this wariness, by often denouncing US imperialism, and this goes down well with many people over there, people who wouldn't be happy with US intervention.

And they're not only blaming the US in that video, they discuss what's needed for there to be any chance of a solution in Venezuela. They discuss that from this point in the video:

[link to youtu.be (secure)]

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The only base Maduro has is the criminal officers in charge of the military. Any resistance in the past has been made to disappear with typical strongman tactics. Millions are starving and fleeing the country. The United States tries to help and gets accused of trying to colonize. That video is a joke.
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You say his only base is his military, but there are also the 6 million or so people that support Maduro. Yes, there are many marching against him, but there are those who support him too.

As for the US trying to help, there's a long history of US involvement in that part of the world (and other pats of the wold too of course). This article lists some of it:

[link to www.apnews.com (secure)]

That intervention is definitely motivated by more than the desire to help people.

Venezuela has a population of 30 million, they weren't all on the streets the other day, and many of them are aware, and wary, of this history of US intervention. As Paul Jay points out in that video, both Chavez and Maduro played into this wariness, by often denouncing US imperialism, and this goes down well with many people over there, people who wouldn't be happy with US intervention.

And they're not only blaming the US in that video, they discuss what's needed for there to be any chance of a solution in Venezuela. They discuss that from this point in the video:

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: Pacifica


Defusing the Crisis: A Way Forward for Venezuela

Venezuelan Sociologist Edgardo Lander and TRNN's Greg Wilpert discuss how Venezuela got into its current international, economic, and political crisis and what it might take to get out of it



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UNSC should look into US attempts for coup in Venezuela – Russian envoy

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Oh yes, that UNSC meeting is happening now, that slipped my mind as I watch all these other videos! . . . here it is live, the Russian envoy speaks right near the start, Pompeo currently speaking


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It would have been great if Communism stayed on the Asian continent. Fine, stay there. divided by seas.

With communism moving into South America that pulls the US into continental war.
All those fleeing South America will flock to North America, logically. Thus the Wall.

East and West divided by oceans. Would have been Perfect.
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It would have been great if Communism stayed on the Asian continent. Fine, stay there. divided by seas.

With communism moving into South America that pulls the US into continental war.
All those fleeing South America will flock to North America, logically. Thus the Wall.

East and West divided by oceans. Would have been Perfect.
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It sells a war too, who wants refugees pouring across the US border, and justifies the wall in the eyes of some.
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LIVE: Russia, China, Iran, Turkey stress support for Pres. Maduro in Venezuela’s power struggle - YouTube

UNSC holds emergency meeting on Venezuela - YouTube



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Thread: LIVE: Russia, China, Iran, Turkey stress support for Pres. Maduro in Venezuela’s power struggle
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Pompeo at the UNSC:

“Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem”

Does that remind anyone of another quote?

Maduro . . . . Mayhem . . . . .

Nice bit of alliteration.

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UNSC should look into US attempts for coup in Venezuela – Russian envoy

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Oh yes, that UNSC meeting is happening now, that slipped my mind as I watch all these other videos! . . . here it is live, the Russian envoy speaks right near the start, Pompeo currently speaking


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I see Jorge Arreaza, Venezuelan Foreign Minister is sat next to Russian rep Vasily Nebenzya, just waiting to hear what he says. Watching Nebenzya,speaking right now. He's talking about the history of US interference in South America. Quite an exchange between Pompeo Nebenzya, and the other countries going on here.

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Oh yes, that UNSC meeting is happening now, that slipped my mind as I watch all these other videos! . . . here it is live, the Russian envoy speaks right near the start, Pompeo currently speaking


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I see Jorge Arreaza, Venezuelan Foreign Minister is sat next to Russian rep Vasily Nebenzya, just waiting to hear what he says. Watching Nebenzya,speaking right now. Quite an exchange between Pompeo and Nebenzya going on here.
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man I am glad you posted this too, I did not see your earlier post hf like I said I was just waking up
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Oh yes, that UNSC meeting is happening now, that slipped my mind as I watch all these other videos! . . . here it is live, the Russian envoy speaks right near the start, Pompeo currently speaking


 Quoting: Pacifica


I see Jorge Arreaza, Venezuelan Foreign Minister is sat next to Russian rep Vasily Nebenzya, just waiting to hear what he says. Watching Nebenzya,speaking right now. He's talking about the history of US interference in South America. Quite an exchange between Pompeo Nebenzya, and the other countries going on here.
 Quoting: Pacifica


Russian Rep. Nebenzya:


"The internal situation in this latin American country, is not an item on the agenda of our council. We don't see any external threats coming from what is taking place in Venezuela. Venezuela does represent a threat to peace and security. If anything does represent a threat to peace, it is the shameless and aggressive actions of the USA and its allies aimed at ousting the legitimate President of Venezuela. in essence, before us, we are seeing, unceremoniously and in breech of all norms of international law, an attempt by Washington to engineer a coup d'etat in this country"
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Pompeo:

“Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem. Some countries have publicly taken former President Maduro’s side, China, Russia, Syria and Iran, are just four of them. Just this morning we tried to find a way for this council to speak in one voice in support of the Venezuelan people, and the democratic ideals through a presidential statement on the council. But our Russian and Chinese colleagues refused to let this move forward. It’s not a surprise that those who rule without democracy in their own countries are trying to prop up Maduro while he is in dire straits”

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Oh yes, that UNSC meeting is happening now, that slipped my mind as I watch all these other videos! . . . here it is live, the Russian envoy speaks right near the start, Pompeo currently speaking


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I see Jorge Arreaza, Venezuelan Foreign Minister is sat next to Russian rep Vasily Nebenzya, just waiting to hear what he says. Watching Nebenzya,speaking right now. Quite an exchange between Pompeo and Nebenzya going on here.
 Quoting: Pacifica


man I am glad you posted this too, I did not see your earlier post hf like I said I was just waking up
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No problem, actually it was Stand Sure who first posted it, but thanks hf
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Chinese Ambassador Ma Zhaoxu to the United Nations Asks people in Venezuela to “Stay rationale and keep calm.” China is against “interference in countries internal affairs.” “China is against Venezuela being added to the agenda of the UNSC. “
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Nebenzya has the floor again.
Germany responds to Russia.
Venezuela has the floor.

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China Rep. :

“Just now, the US delegate (Pompeo) made unreasonable accusations against the position of China in his statement. China is firmly opposed to such accusations. China has always been committed to the purposes and principles of the UN charter, and respects the sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity of all countries. China does not interfere in other countries internal affairs. We hope the country that accuses others, can do likewise itself”

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Pompeo at the UNSC:

“Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem”

Does that remind anyone of another quote?

Maduro . . . . Mayhem . . . . .

Nice bit of alliteration.
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Alliteration. So that's the ingenious neocon plan of persuasion this time is it.
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Pompeo at the UNSC:

“Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem”

Does that remind anyone of another quote?

Maduro . . . . Mayhem . . . . .

Nice bit of alliteration.
 Quoting: Pacifica


Alliteration. So that's the ingenious neocon plan of persuasion this time is it.
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Yes, Forces, Freedom, Maduro, Mayhem . . . . clever clever . . .
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Pompeo at the UNSC:

“Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem”

Does that remind anyone of another quote?

Maduro . . . . Mayhem . . . . .

Nice bit of alliteration.
 Quoting: Pacifica


Alliteration. So that's the ingenious neocon plan of persuasion this time is it.
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Yes, Forces, Freedom, Maduro, Mayhem . . . . clever clever . . .
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And don't forget the 'Troika of Tyranny' . .. . . genius . .

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Nebenzya has the floor again.
Germany responds to Russia.
Venezuela has the floor.
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Thanks. Watching . . .
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Spain, Germany, France and the UK have warned Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro that he must call elections within eight days - or they will officially recognise the opposition.

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WTF. Venezuela had an election only last year where the Guaido's opposition party refused to be included on the ballot... It's one thing to claim your votes are being discounted and claim unfairness that way but quite another to claim the sitting President is illegitimate when you the opposition refused to even be included on the ballot.

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...and US takes control of the floor claiming it had no intention to do so.chuckle
oh what is this Russia comes out of nowhere and now has the floor mirroring the same introductory statement the US used.
Venezuela now responds to Mr.Abrams.
Colombia speaks now.

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POMPEO CALLS ON COUNTRIES TO DISCONNECT FINANCIAL SYSTEMS FROM MADURO: PRESS BRIEF.
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UNSC should look into US attempts for coup in Venezuela – Russian envoy

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Oh yes, that UNSC meeting is happening now, that slipped my mind as I watch all these other videos! . . . here it is live, the Russian envoy speaks right near the start, Pompeo currently speaking


 Quoting: Pacifica


I see Jorge Arreaza, Venezuelan Foreign Minister is sat next to Russian rep Vasily Nebenzya, just waiting to hear what he says. Watching Nebenzya,speaking right now. He's talking about the history of US interference in South America. Quite an exchange between Pompeo Nebenzya, and the other countries going on here.
 Quoting: Pacifica


Russian Rep. Nebenzya:


"The internal situation in this latin American country, is not an item on the agenda of our council. We don't see any external threats coming from what is taking place in Venezuela. Venezuela does represent a threat to peace and security. If anything does represent a threat to peace, it is the shameless and aggressive actions of the USA and its allies aimed at ousting the legitimate President of Venezuela. in essence, before us, we are seeing, unceremoniously and in breech of all norms of international law, an attempt by Washington to engineer a coup d'etat in this country"
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Pompeo:

“Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you’re in league with Maduro and his mayhem. Some countries have publicly taken former President Maduro’s side, China, Russia, Syria and Iran, are just four of them. Just this morning we tried to find a way for this council to speak in one voice in support of the Venezuelan people, and the democratic ideals through a presidential statement on the council. But our Russian and Chinese colleagues refused to let this move forward. It’s not a surprise that those who rule without democracy in their own countries are trying to prop up Maduro while he is in dire straits”
 Quoting: Pacifica


bump
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Nebenzya has the floor again.
Germany responds to Russia.
Venezuela has the floor.
 Quoting: {/Mutariel\}


Venezuela Foreign Minister, rattling off the dates in history of US intervention in South America:

1911 - Mexico invasion
1912 - US marines invade Nicaragua
1914 - Mexico
1915 - Haiti
1916 - Dominican Republic
1918 - Panama
1924 - Honduras
1925 - Panama
1926 - Nicaragua
1930 - Dominican Republic
1933 - Nicaragua
1941 - Panama

Camera cuts to Eliot Abrams, who’s watching Venezuelan Rep, with his hand covering his mouth.

1952. - Cuba
1954 - Guatamala
1960 - Authorisation of efforts to overthrow Castro
1961 - Bay of Pigs

So, we can go on with this . .

How many died in the Dominican Republic, as a result of an invasion endorsed by the United States to ovethrow a Government that ideologically didn’t convene them?

The Monroe Doctrine. It should be the United States that should be subject to permanent analysis and examination due to its disregard of international law, its constant invasions, its being behind overthrows, including the overthrow of Salvador Allende in 1973, then Guatamala, and even in 2002 in Venezuela, President George Bush . . . etc, etc

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Pompeo is fat pathtic brainless liar
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...and US takes control of the floor claiming it had no intention to do so.chuckle

oh what is this Russia comes out of nowhere and now has the floor mirroring the same introductory statement the US used.

Venezuela now responds to Mr.Abrams.

Colombia speaks now.
 Quoting: {/Mutariel\}


Nicaragua in support of Venezuela gives a statement.

Now in the far left of the room permanent member Cuba gives it's opinion to the chamber.

Rookie St.Vincent and the Grenadines now in the spotlight lamenting the need for this meeting.

Canada showing support for Guaido both in French and English.

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