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BREAKING: Venezuela withdraws its demand that US diplomats leave the country within 72 hours
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If true , ...good , now the us has no pretext to come in ... unless they stage an incident with there own diplomats and blame it on maduro regime

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The Foreign Affairs Ministry is said to have announced this, but who is he working under? Maduro? If so, then I thought the US didn't accept Maduro as the President, so do they even accept this as real?
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YEAH AND IN YOUR COUNTRY PEOPLE DON'T LIVE ON THE STREETS IN MANY STATES ,ON FOOD STAMPS ?

the economy to collapse by maduro regime ? NO, BY YOUR SANCTIONS YEARS !!!!
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Yea, right. As though Hugo Chavez in Venezuela's past wasn't already shitting up the economy and dynamics of a previously non-leftist nation with his brand of champagne socialism---Chavez's daughter reportedly has a foreign checking account worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Your problem is you think expressions of cheap compassion by a political class somehow offsets the misery, violence, ruthlessness and cruelty that they bring to a leftwing society.

You mention homelessness and deprivation on the streets of America. You're correct. Hell, look at the wonderful smells and sights of the US's own liberal-dominated San Francisco.

Beware of liberals/leftists bearing false gifts and masturbatory compassion.


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i agree , but not the point here , the point here is , the us only blah blah about freedom and human suffering ,and thats why we have to free venezuele blah blah blah lies...


because they ONLY want the oil, gold and strategy , chaos and regime change ( again)

do you ' really " think the us, pompeo give a shit about people in venezuela ? no...
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Why not? Pompeo does not seem deficient in normal human feelings (unlike a lot of our leftists.)
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The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans.

The comments come amid worsening tensions in the country after the US and UK have backed Juan Guaido, who appointed himself “interim president” of Venezuela as hundreds of thousands marched to support him.

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Nothing we don't already know, damning nonetheless.

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The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans.

The comments come amid worsening tensions in the country after the US and UK have backed Juan Guaido, who appointed himself “interim president” of Venezuela as hundreds of thousands marched to support him.

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Nothing we don't already know is the case, damning nonetheless.

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The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans.

The comments come amid worsening tensions in the country after the US and UK have backed Juan Guaido, who appointed himself “interim president” of Venezuela as hundreds of thousands marched to support him.

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Nothing we don't already know is the case, damning nonetheless.

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So many of these UN "rapporteurs" are clearly pro-left and pro-Muslim, it's not really necessary to listen to them.
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Why not? Pompeo does not seem deficient in normal human feelings (unlike a lot of our leftists.)
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People with left-leaning biases tend to think unless a person is soaked in an "I feel your pain" ideology, they therefore have to be interested in, and can only be concerned about, money, greed, power, domination and takeovers.

Whether of the left or right, when honesty, rationality/common sense, integrity/ethics take a back seat to "I feel your pain" - as ultra-liberals in particular are experts at - that's when the inhumanity and misery are ratcheted up to high.

Not understanding the irony and contradictions of liberal feelings and leftwing biases is a major mistake in human history.


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US APPOINTS CONVICTED CRIMINAL TO LEAD DIPLOMATIC CORPS IN VENEZUELA(!)


 Quoting: Pacifica


Venezuela started the seizing first. They had invited in oil major companies to drill in Maracaibo and Orinoco, but then Chavez and Maduro tried to basically get these companies to work for free, and finally the companies left their infrastructure behind and left.

Are you surprised these companies want their stuff back?
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I'd be happy to read more about this, if you send me link/s.

So what would you say is the prime motivation for the US getting involved in Venezuela?
 Quoting: Pacifica


That story emerged over several years and I don't have links handy for it. Here's a link about the current situation in what was maybe the most prosperous part of Venezuela.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Yes, I'll watch it. Thanks.
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BREAKING: Venezuela withdraws its demand that US diplomats leave the country within 72 hours
 Quoting: Watchout

If true , ...good , now the us has no pretext to come in ... unless they stage an incident with there own diplomats and blame it on maduro regime

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[link to www.nzherald.co.nz (secure)]
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too late ...

Last Group of US Diplomats Left Venezuela - Maduro

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President Maduro given eight-day ultimatum


watch

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REJECTED by the Venezuelan Foreign Minister.


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Maduro needs to hunt-down these upitty up-starts and kill them all.
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Venezuela started the seizing first. They had invited in oil major companies to drill in Maracaibo and Orinoco, but then Chavez and Maduro tried to basically get these companies to work for free, and finally the companies left their infrastructure behind and left.

Are you surprised these companies want their stuff back?
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I'd be happy to read more about this, if you send me link/s.

So what would you say is the prime motivation for the US getting involved in Venezuela?
 Quoting: Pacifica


That story emerged over several years and I don't have links handy for it. Here's a link about the current situation in what was maybe the most prosperous part of Venezuela.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: oniongrass


Yes, I'll watch it. Thanks.
 Quoting: Pacifica


Maybe you can watch this one:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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I'd be happy to read more about this, if you send me link/s.

So what would you say is the prime motivation for the US getting involved in Venezuela?
 Quoting: Pacifica


That story emerged over several years and I don't have links handy for it. Here's a link about the current situation in what was maybe the most prosperous part of Venezuela.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: oniongrass


Yes, I'll watch it. Thanks.
 Quoting: Pacifica


Maybe you can watch this one:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Pacifica


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Sorry for double post. Not sure what happened there!
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President Maduro given eight-day ultimatum


watch

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REJECTED by the Venezuelan Foreign Minister.


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Maduro needs to hunt-down these upitty up-starts and kill them all.
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Temper temper. You forgot for a moment that he's a man of the people?
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December 3 2017:

“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will.”

--- Donald Trump
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December 3 2017:

“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will.”

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer.

The policy of intervention and chaos must come to an end."

--- Donald Trump
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do you ' really " think the us, pompeo give a shit about people in venezuela ? no...
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Yes. The worse things get in Venezuela, the worse they get regionally, and at the US/Mexico border.
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President Maduro given eight-day ultimatum


watch

[link to www.channel4.com (secure)]


REJECTED by the Venezuelan Foreign Minister.


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Maduro needs to hunt-down these upitty up-starts and kill them all.
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Temper temper. You forgot for a moment that he's a man of the people?
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he needs to purge the opposition. that's standard fare
in dictatorial politics.
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December 3 2017:

“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will.”

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer.

The policy of intervention and chaos must come to an end."

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Get out of Syria where we don't need to be, and where really only ISIS wants us to be.

Bring those troops to our own part of the world, to Venezuela, to the Caribbean basin.
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President Maduro given eight-day ultimatum


watch

[link to www.channel4.com (secure)]


REJECTED by the Venezuelan Foreign Minister.


siren2
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Maduro needs to hunt-down these upitty up-starts and kill them all.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


Temper temper. You forgot for a moment that he's a man of the people?
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he needs to purge the opposition. that's standard fare
in dictatorial politics.
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And you think he should be allowed to do that? Or are you being sarcastic?
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December 3 2017:

“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will.”

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer.

The policy of intervention and chaos must come to an end."

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Get out of Syria where we don't need to be, and where really only ISIS wants us to be.

Bring those troops to our own part of the world, to Venezuela, to the Caribbean basin.
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Racing to topple foreign regimes much?
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December 3 2017:

“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will.”

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer.

The policy of intervention and chaos must come to an end."

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Get out of Syria where we don't need to be, and where really only ISIS wants us to be.

Bring those troops to our own part of the world, to Venezuela, to the Caribbean basin.
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and so he's going to send in our Military and CIA
to topple Maduro's Government and quash the Opposition.
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President Maduro given eight-day ultimatum


watch

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REJECTED by the Venezuelan Foreign Minister.


siren2
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Maduro needs to hunt-down these upitty up-starts and kill them all.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


Temper temper. You forgot for a moment that he's a man of the people?
 Quoting: oniongrass


He is.

Wasn't Maduro's motto something like "Hope and Change"?
Or "I'm With Him"?

No way would he have cackled, "We came, we saw, he died." No way would he have been an enabler of inhumane rape and ripping off people with a foundation.

Nicolas Maduro, after all, is of the left. Wonderful people are always of the left. Always.


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Let the Venezuelans stew in their own juices.

They elected the guy originally, after they previously elected the other Socialist (forgetting about the most recent election). SOCIALISM is what Venezuelans WANTED ... let them stew in the juices of their own making!!

Let their economy collapse even further ... and widespread famine occur in a place of easy agriculture!!

Venezuelans WANTED SOCIALISM ... let them HAVE THE FULL FLAVOR OF WHAT THEY WANTED!!

(and it serves as a good example for the rest of the world as to what happens with Full Blown Socialism in a modern economy ... noting that just 15 years ago Venezuela was the richest country, with the highest standard of living, of ALL of South and Central America)

STOP!!

STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING

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OK... but ignoring the problem creates a Russian and Iranian military threat right on the USA doorstep
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Iran is going to ship troops to Venezuela? You have to be kidding!! :-) .... I can't believe YOU really believe that. How are they going to get them there? How are they going to attack the US even if they go there?

As for Russia, they aren't going to be shipping troops to Venezuela either, nor are they going to give Venezuela much if anything in the way of aid ... they have massive economic problems themselves with the low price of oil, and they want to keep their military assets close at hand because of Ukraine and potentially the Middle East. Lip service maybe, but anything in the way of HARD CASH or Military support? Furgetit!!

The ONLY thing Russia might be interested in short term with Venezuela would be a base to resupply their submarines ... but even that is highly questionable since Russia could more easily go to Cuba which actually has a functioning economy, including a stable supply of electricity!!, and good ports!! and good airports!!



Your reply reads like you are making up stuff so as to justify the US Military invading Venezuela.

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STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING!!

The Venezuelans voted for Socialism ... so let them now WALLOW IN IT'S CONSEQUENCES ... and more importantly thus SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE WORLD what Socialism really does to a society!!


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REJECTED by the Venezuelan Foreign Minister.


siren2
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Maduro needs to hunt-down these upitty up-starts and kill them all.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


Temper temper. You forgot for a moment that he's a man of the people?
 Quoting: oniongrass


He is.

Wasn't Maduro's motto something like "Hope and Change"?
Or "I'm With Him"?

No way would he have cackled, "We came, we saw, he died." No way would he have been an enabler of inhumane rape and ripping off people with a foundation.

Nicolas Maduro, after all, is of the left. Wonderful people are always of the left. Always.


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those are very fine sentiments, but right now he
has Enemies that must be dealt with.
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December 3 2017:

“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS, and we will.”

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer.

The policy of intervention and chaos must come to an end."

--- Donald Trump
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Get out of Syria where we don't need to be, and where really only ISIS wants us to be.

Bring those troops to our own part of the world, to Venezuela, to the Caribbean basin.
 Quoting: oniongrass


and so he's going to send in our Military and CIA
to topple Maduro's Government and quash the Opposition.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


Would that be a "policy of intervention" and "racing to topple a foreign regime"?

Kinda like starting a war in Iraq and racing to topple Saddam Hussein, or kinda like starting a war in Afghanistan and racing to topple the Taliban?
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US APPOINTS CONVICTED CRIMINAL TO LEAD DIPLOMATIC CORPS IN VENEZUELA(!)


 Quoting: Pacifica


Venezuela started the seizing first. They had invited in oil major companies to drill in Maracaibo and Orinoco, but then Chavez and Maduro tried to basically get these companies to work for free, and finally the companies left their infrastructure behind and left.

Are you surprised these companies want their stuff back?
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ExxonMobil is so powerful, in fact, that it hoodwinked Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez by pulling off one of the largest asset seizures ever attempted by an American oil company.

It all started in 1997 when Exxon signed a contract with Venezuela's state-run oil giant P.D.V.S.A. to extract and process heavy oil from a part of the Orinoco River Basin called Cerro...

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Chavez nationalized the oil. It was viewed that those oil companies were reaping big profits from the Venezuelan oil at the expense of the Venezuelan people. He did ask the companies there to allow for Venezuela to buy their stake in the oil business. Most agreed to do so, a couple didn't. Sure it's far from an ideal situation, but the Chavez govt. still made sure the US oil companies received financial compensation.

We can say that Chavez wasn't someone who was willing to sellout his people. He can be praised for that at least. Before he came to power a great many Venezuelans lived in desperate poverty and after he came into power the living standards for all Venezuelans increased dramatically and he made sure there were no longer second class citizens.

And since then we see the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela, which have crippled the country, as punishment for Venezuela daring to reclaim their sovereignty from the US globalists.

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Let the Venezuelans stew in their own juices.

They elected the guy originally, after they previously elected the other Socialist (forgetting about the most recent election). SOCIALISM is what Venezuelans WANTED ... let them stew in the juices of their own making!!

Let their economy collapse even further ... and widespread famine occur in a place of easy agriculture!!

Venezuelans WANTED SOCIALISM ... let them HAVE THE FULL FLAVOR OF WHAT THEY WANTED!!

(and it serves as a good example for the rest of the world as to what happens with Full Blown Socialism in a modern economy ... noting that just 15 years ago Venezuela was the richest country, with the highest standard of living, of ALL of South and Central America)

STOP!!

STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING

 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic


OK... but ignoring the problem creates a Russian and Iranian military threat right on the USA doorstep
 Quoting: BossOfThisGym


Iran is going to ship troops to Venezuela? You have to be kidding!! :-) .... I can't believe YOU really believe that. How are they going to get them there? How are they going to attack the US even if they go there?

As for Russia, they aren't going to be shipping troops to Venezuela either, nor are they going to give Venezuela much if anything in the way of aid ... they have massive economic problems themselves with the low price of oil, and they want to keep their military assets close at hand because of Ukraine and potentially the Middle East. Lip service maybe, but anything in the way of HARD CASH or Military support? Furgetit!!

The ONLY thing Russia might be interested in short term with Venezuela would be a base to resupply their submarines ... but even that is highly questionable since Russia could more easily go to Cuba which actually has a functioning economy, including a stable supply of electricity!!, and good ports!! and good airports!!



Your reply reads like you are making up stuff so as to justify the US Military invading Venezuela.

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STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING!!

The Venezuelans voted for Socialism ... so let them now WALLOW IN IT'S CONSEQUENCES ... and more importantly thus SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE WORLD what Socialism really does to a society!!

 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic

Well let's suppose Russia did what it's probably able to do, which is to seize military control of the best oil producing areas and introduce a somewhat more market oriented economy, and reinstating Chavez's policy of giving stuff away from oil revenues.

Russia has the technical expertise to do it, and it would LOVE to have a port on the Caribbean.

Do you think we're going to sit back and exploit a failing regime to establish that port on the Caribbean?
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Let the Venezuelans stew in their own juices.

They elected the guy originally, after they previously elected the other Socialist (forgetting about the most recent election). SOCIALISM is what Venezuelans WANTED ... let them stew in the juices of their own making!!

Let their economy collapse even further ... and widespread famine occur in a place of easy agriculture!!

Venezuelans WANTED SOCIALISM ... let them HAVE THE FULL FLAVOR OF WHAT THEY WANTED!!

(and it serves as a good example for the rest of the world as to what happens with Full Blown Socialism in a modern economy ... noting that just 15 years ago Venezuela was the richest country, with the highest standard of living, of ALL of South and Central America)

STOP!!

STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING

 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic


OK... but ignoring the problem creates a Russian and Iranian military threat right on the USA doorstep
 Quoting: BossOfThisGym


Iran is going to ship troops to Venezuela? You have to be kidding!! :-) .... I can't believe YOU really believe that. How are they going to get them there? How are they going to attack the US even if they go there?

As for Russia, they aren't going to be shipping troops to Venezuela either, nor are they going to give Venezuela much if anything in the way of aid ... they have massive economic problems themselves with the low price of oil, and they want to keep their military assets close at hand because of Ukraine and potentially the Middle East. Lip service maybe, but anything in the way of HARD CASH or Military support? Furgetit!!

The ONLY thing Russia might be interested in short term with Venezuela would be a base to resupply their submarines ... but even that is highly questionable since Russia could more easily go to Cuba which actually has a functioning economy, including a stable supply of electricity!!, and good ports!! and good airports!!



Your reply reads like you are making up stuff so as to justify the US Military invading Venezuela.

---------------------------

STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING!!

The Venezuelans voted for Socialism ... so let them now WALLOW IN IT'S CONSEQUENCES ... and more importantly thus SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE WORLD what Socialism really does to a society!!

 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic

Well let's suppose Russia did what it's probably able to do, which is to seize military control of the best oil producing areas and introduce a somewhat more market oriented economy, and reinstating Chavez's policy of giving stuff away from oil revenues.

Russia has the technical expertise to do it, and it would LOVE to have a port on the Caribbean.

Do you think we're going to sit back and exploit a failing regime to establish that port on the Caribbean?
 Quoting: oniongrass


and, the point now is, of course, that Maduro and his Aministration are In,
and Gweedo is not.
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OK... but ignoring the problem creates a Russian and Iranian military threat right on the USA doorstep
 Quoting: BossOfThisGym


Iran is going to ship troops to Venezuela? You have to be kidding!! :-) .... I can't believe YOU really believe that. How are they going to get them there? How are they going to attack the US even if they go there?

As for Russia, they aren't going to be shipping troops to Venezuela either, nor are they going to give Venezuela much if anything in the way of aid ... they have massive economic problems themselves with the low price of oil, and they want to keep their military assets close at hand because of Ukraine and potentially the Middle East. Lip service maybe, but anything in the way of HARD CASH or Military support? Furgetit!!

The ONLY thing Russia might be interested in short term with Venezuela would be a base to resupply their submarines ... but even that is highly questionable since Russia could more easily go to Cuba which actually has a functioning economy, including a stable supply of electricity!!, and good ports!! and good airports!!



Your reply reads like you are making up stuff so as to justify the US Military invading Venezuela.

---------------------------

STOP trying to save people from the CONSEQUENCES of THEIR OWN MAKING!!

The Venezuelans voted for Socialism ... so let them now WALLOW IN IT'S CONSEQUENCES ... and more importantly thus SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO THE WORLD what Socialism really does to a society!!

 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic

Well let's suppose Russia did what it's probably able to do, which is to seize military control of the best oil producing areas and introduce a somewhat more market oriented economy, and reinstating Chavez's policy of giving stuff away from oil revenues.

Russia has the technical expertise to do it, and it would LOVE to have a port on the Caribbean.

Do you think we're going to sit back and exploit a failing regime to establish that port on the Caribbean?
 Quoting: oniongrass


and, the point now is, of course, that Maduro and his Aministration are In,
and Gweedo is not.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


I think that this may be only partially true. We wouldnt' move without substantial support, and we clearly have the support of the east side of Caracas if not the west side.
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And since then we see the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela, which have crippled the country, as punishment for Venezuela daring to reclaim their sovereignty from the US globalists.
 Quoting: NewGeneration2019


Those weren't globalists - at least non-Venezuelan ones - ordering small business owners a few years ago in cities like Caracas to not just dress up their shops for the Christmas holiday but to also sell their merchandise at a certain price point.

However, a lot of globalists based far beyond the borders of Venezuela do have the traits of Limousine Liberals and Champagne Socialists located everywhere. So a globalist residing in Venezuela or a globalist residing in New York City, Paris, London, San Francisco or Beijing may be a distinction without all that much of a difference.


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