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ELLIOTT ABRAMS, TRUMP’S PICK TO BRING “DEMOCRACY” TO VENEZUELA, HAS SPENT HIS LIFE CRUSHING DEMOCRACY

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ELLIOTT ABRAMS, TRUMP’S PICK TO BRING “DEMOCRACY” TO VENEZUELA, HAS SPENT HIS LIFE CRUSHING DEMOCRACY

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Abrams is just one of the whole lot of them.
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#LimaGroup wants no military intervention in #Venezuela – Peruvian minister
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#LimaGroup wants no military intervention in #Venezuela – Peruvian minister
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Peru says: No Gringos.
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Venezuela is the first of many.

Russia/China are going to be booted out of South America completely.

United States is not fucking about this time.

Low yield Nukes rolling of the US production lines.

COME GET SOME YOU COMMIE FUCKS.
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Venezuela is the first of many.

Russia/China are going to be booted out of South America completely.

United States is not fucking about this time.

Low yield Nukes rolling of the US production lines.

COME GET SOME YOU COMMIE FUCKS.
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You don't have brains, do you? US is trying to control Venezuela's oil but will not launch an invasion to do so. Maybe a few strategic bombs and a few commando operations, that's it.

Anti-Maduro protesters will flip their allegiances if US launches Shock&Awe II and kills thousands of Venezuelan civilians that have nothing to do with the criminal Maduro regime. You cannot control the oil if you previously kill thousands of your so-called allies before.

Even the mega war-hawk Lindsay Graham said that US should go very slowly, and you are talking about dropping nukes!
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Venezuela is the first of many.

Russia/China are going to be booted out of South America completely.

United States is not fucking about this time.

Low yield Nukes rolling of the US production lines.

COME GET SOME YOU COMMIE FUCKS.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks


You don't have brains, do you? US is trying to control Venezuela's oil but will not launch an invasion to do so. Maybe a few strategic bombs and a few commando operations, that's it.

Anti-Maduro protesters will flip their allegiances if US launches Shock&Awe II and kills thousands of Venezuelan civilians that have nothing to do with the criminal Maduro regime. You cannot control the oil if you previously kill thousands of your so-called allies before.

Even the mega war-hawk Lindsay Graham said that US should go very slowly, and you are talking about dropping nukes!
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Pretty sure low yield Nukes are to make Crispy Chinese if needed.

i dont mention nuking poor long suffering oppressed Venezuelans. US is trying to save them from murderous illegitimate thug Maduro,not kill them

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Rumours that Russia sent a Plane to Caracas to pick up over 20 tonnes of Venezuelan Gold.

That said Plane returned to Moscow empty, after United States threatened Russia with serious consequences including harsh sanctions if it tried to steal Venezuelan Gold.

Russians are saying the empty Plane was not supposed to pick up Gold to save face.

Yet the Plane arrived empty without seating,and left empty.

GOD Bless America.

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USAF C17 Globemaster III 95-0107 RCH347 tracking over #Colombia

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this was what landed in Bogotá, Colombia a few hours ago. The C-17 Globemaster III is a large military strategic & tactical airlifter. Can carry up to 134 soldiers or alternately can transport heavy equipment such as tank/armoured vehicles


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And pallets of cash.
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Rumours that Russia sent a Plane to Caracas to pick up over 20 tonnes of Venezuelan Gold.

That said Plane returned to Moscow empty, after United States threatened Russia with serious consequences including harsh sanctions if it tried to steal Venezuelan Gold.

Russians are saying the empty Plane was not supposed to pick up Gold to save face.

Yet the Plane arrived empty without seating,and left empty.

GOD Bless America.
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:propaganda:
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Rumours that Russia sent a Plane to Caracas to pick up over 20 tonnes of Venezuelan Gold.

That said Plane returned to Moscow empty, after United States threatened Russia with serious consequences including harsh sanctions if it tried to steal Venezuelan Gold.

Russians are saying the empty Plane was not supposed to pick up Gold to save face.

Yet the Plane arrived empty without seating,and left empty.

GOD Bless America.
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propaganda
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Rumours that Russia sent a Plane to Caracas to pick up over 20 tonnes of Venezuelan Gold.

That said Plane returned to Moscow empty, after United States threatened Russia with serious consequences including harsh sanctions if it tried to steal Venezuelan Gold.

Russians are saying the empty Plane was not supposed to pick up Gold to save face.

Yet the Plane arrived empty without seating,and left empty.

GOD Bless America.
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what a bullcrap story.
the Russians got the Gold, and it's safe in St. Petersburg.
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Another article from The Gray Zone Project

Internal US Gov’t Document Admits Program of ‘Economic Warfare’ on Venezuela[/b

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Also from the Gray Zone Project


The Making of Juan Guaidó: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader[/b

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Discussed here, on the Ron Paul Liberty Report




And also here, interview with Max Blumenthal, one of the authors of the article



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I agree Venezuela is basket case at the moment - but wtf is this to do with the USA or russia or china? they should all keep their noses out and let them sort their own mess out.
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Russia and China are actually there to help.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


They are there for geopolitical reasons same as us.

All this good guy bad guy stuff is bull. Russia, China, and the US all have imperial power and that means they have "junior partners". Everybody wants the country with the largest proven oil reserves to be their junior partner.

In this particular case the US gets to side against a socialist dictator. But if embracing a socialist dictator accomplishes the goal then so be it.

And I'm not against this. Balance of power and stability can be had in such ways. And as a US citizen I desire my country to have wide influence and power.
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I agree Venezuela is basket case at the moment - but wtf is this to do with the USA or russia or china? they should all keep their noses out and let them sort their own mess out.
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Russia and China are actually there to help.
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They are there for geopolitical reasons same as us.

All this good guy bad guy stuff is bull. Russia, China, and the US all have imperial power and that means they have "junior partners". Everybody wants the country with the largest proven oil reserves to be their junior partner.

In this particular case the US gets to side against a socialist dictator. But if embracing a socialist dictator accomplishes the goal then so be it.

And I'm not against this. Balance of power and stability can be had in such ways. And as a US citizen I desire my country to have wide influence and power.
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Fair comment. However the vast majority of Venezuelans are firmly against seeing their resources and their jobs be plundered and privatized in the interest of the US corporations. They've already had that experience many years ago and it meant many had to live in desperate poverty. No doubt they're also bitter at the US' attempts to bring the country to its knees with the crippling sanctions.

If the delusional US neocons toppled Maduro, the country would enter an unending state of civil war. The US wants the oil , but they'll find it hard to benefit from Venezuela's oil in a situation like that. Plus there could very well be a refugee/migrant crisis making its way to the US. Is this what the US really wants?

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Did Russia Take the Gold?


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Spanish news agency @EFEnoticias says three of its journalists have been detained in #Venezuela.
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Neocon aggression: More politicians worldwide are speaking out against what's going on in Venezuela, here's a congressman in Spain telling it how it is. (subtitles included)

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This is how the Falcon state was this #30th January. It was the anti-imperialist and anti-interventionist march, led by @dcabellor and Governor Víctor Clark. Despite the number of people, it was an event censored by most of the media accredited in #Venezuela.

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Neocon aggression: More politicians worldwide are speaking out against what's going on in Venezuela, here's a congressman in Spain telling it how it is. (subtitles included)

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Contains Graphic Descriptions of War Crimes


War Criminal, Elliott Abrams, A "True Asset To Help The Venezuelan People"




In an ongoing effort to topple Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, Vice President Mike Pence met with members of the Venezuelan opposition at the White House Tuesday alongside Trump’s new special envoy to Venezuela, Elliott Abrams. Elliott Abrams is a right-wing hawk who was convicted in 1991 for lying to Congress during the Iran-Contra scandal, but he was later pardoned by President George H.W. Bush. Abrams defended Guatemalan dictator General Efraín Ríos Montt as he oversaw a campaign of mass murder and torture of indigenous people in Guatemala in the 1980s. Ríos Montt was later convicted of genocide. Abrams was also linked to the 2002 coup in Venezuela that attempted to topple Hugo Chávez. We look at Abrams’s track record with prize-winning investigative journalist Allan Nairn, who has closely tracked Abrams for over three decades. Nairn is two-time winner of the George Polk Award and a recipient of the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Award.
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This is how the Falcon state was this #30th January. It was the anti-imperialist and anti-interventionist march, led by @dcabellor and Governor Víctor Clark. Despite the number of people, it was an event censored by most of the media accredited in #Venezuela.

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so, actually its Victor Clark Boscan, Governor of the State of Falcon. Maduro supporters todos.
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I agree Venezuela is basket case at the moment - but wtf is this to do with the USA or russia or china? they should all keep their noses out and let them sort their own mess out.
 Quoting: raul98


Russia and China are actually there to help.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


They are there for geopolitical reasons same as us.

All this good guy bad guy stuff is bull. Russia, China, and the US all have imperial power and that means they have "junior partners". Everybody wants the country with the largest proven oil reserves to be their junior partner.

In this particular case the US gets to side against a socialist dictator. But if embracing a socialist dictator accomplishes the goal then so be it.

And I'm not against this. Balance of power and stability can be had in such ways. And as a US citizen I desire my country to have wide influence and power.
 Quoting: shovelbum


Fair comment. However the vast majority of Venezuelans are firmly against seeing their resources and their jobs be plundered and privatized in the interest of the US corporations. They've already had that experience many years ago and it meant many had to live in desperate poverty. No doubt they're also bitter at the US' attempts to bring the country to its knees with the crippling sanctions.

If the delusional US neocons toppled Maduro, the country would enter an unending state of civil war. The US wants the oil , but they'll find it hard to benefit from Venezuela's oil in a situation like that. Plus there could very well be a refugee/migrant crisis making its way to the US. Is this what the US really wants?
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The US can't outright take the oil. Not in these circumstances. I think some oil field leases to US companies and the assurance that Venezuelan oil continues to be sold in dollars would be enough.

And is that so horrible? Venezuela gets aid, gets out of debts to Russia and China (maybe), gets their oil infrastructure rebuilt, gets some foreign investments...all for some leases and a petrodollar deal.
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Russia and China are actually there to help.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


They are there for geopolitical reasons same as us.

All this good guy bad guy stuff is bull. Russia, China, and the US all have imperial power and that means they have "junior partners". Everybody wants the country with the largest proven oil reserves to be their junior partner.

In this particular case the US gets to side against a socialist dictator. But if embracing a socialist dictator accomplishes the goal then so be it.

And I'm not against this. Balance of power and stability can be had in such ways. And as a US citizen I desire my country to have wide influence and power.
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Fair comment. However the vast majority of Venezuelans are firmly against seeing their resources and their jobs be plundered and privatized in the interest of the US corporations. They've already had that experience many years ago and it meant many had to live in desperate poverty. No doubt they're also bitter at the US' attempts to bring the country to its knees with the crippling sanctions.

If the delusional US neocons toppled Maduro, the country would enter an unending state of civil war. The US wants the oil , but they'll find it hard to benefit from Venezuela's oil in a situation like that. Plus there could very well be a refugee/migrant crisis making its way to the US. Is this what the US really wants?
 Quoting: NewGeneration2019


The US can't outright take the oil. Not in these circumstances. I think some oil field leases to US companies and the assurance that Venezuelan oil continues to be sold in dollars would be enough.

And is that so horrible? Venezuela gets aid, gets out of debts to Russia and China (maybe), gets their oil infrastructure rebuilt, gets some foreign investments...all for some leases and a petrodollar deal.
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Russia and China have already got all of that under control,
thank you very much.
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They are there for geopolitical reasons same as us.

All this good guy bad guy stuff is bull. Russia, China, and the US all have imperial power and that means they have "junior partners". Everybody wants the country with the largest proven oil reserves to be their junior partner.

In this particular case the US gets to side against a socialist dictator. But if embracing a socialist dictator accomplishes the goal then so be it.

And I'm not against this. Balance of power and stability can be had in such ways. And as a US citizen I desire my country to have wide influence and power.
 Quoting: shovelbum


Fair comment. However the vast majority of Venezuelans are firmly against seeing their resources and their jobs be plundered and privatized in the interest of the US corporations. They've already had that experience many years ago and it meant many had to live in desperate poverty. No doubt they're also bitter at the US' attempts to bring the country to its knees with the crippling sanctions.

If the delusional US neocons toppled Maduro, the country would enter an unending state of civil war. The US wants the oil , but they'll find it hard to benefit from Venezuela's oil in a situation like that. Plus there could very well be a refugee/migrant crisis making its way to the US. Is this what the US really wants?
 Quoting: NewGeneration2019


The US can't outright take the oil. Not in these circumstances. I think some oil field leases to US companies and the assurance that Venezuelan oil continues to be sold in dollars would be enough.

And is that so horrible? Venezuela gets aid, gets out of debts to Russia and China (maybe), gets their oil infrastructure rebuilt, gets some foreign investments...all for some leases and a petrodollar deal.
 Quoting: shovelbum


Russia and China have already got all of that under control,
thank you very much.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


Good. Glad to know that folks aren't eating their cats.

And Russia isn't protecting Venezuelan gold you dummies. They're keeping it to cover all those bad loans.

Never loan a socialist money. A socialist can't make money. Only a capitalist can do that.
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Fair comment. However the vast majority of Venezuelans are firmly against seeing their resources and their jobs be plundered and privatized in the interest of the US corporations. They've already had that experience many years ago and it meant many had to live in desperate poverty. No doubt they're also bitter at the US' attempts to bring the country to its knees with the crippling sanctions.

If the delusional US neocons toppled Maduro, the country would enter an unending state of civil war. The US wants the oil , but they'll find it hard to benefit from Venezuela's oil in a situation like that. Plus there could very well be a refugee/migrant crisis making its way to the US. Is this what the US really wants?
 Quoting: NewGeneration2019


The US can't outright take the oil. Not in these circumstances. I think some oil field leases to US companies and the assurance that Venezuelan oil continues to be sold in dollars would be enough.

And is that so horrible? Venezuela gets aid, gets out of debts to Russia and China (maybe), gets their oil infrastructure rebuilt, gets some foreign investments...all for some leases and a petrodollar deal.
 Quoting: shovelbum


Russia and China have already got all of that under control,
thank you very much.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit


Good. Glad to know that folks aren't eating their cats.

And Russia isn't protecting Venezuelan gold you dummies. They're keeping it to cover all those bad loans.

Never loan a socialist money. A socialist can't make money. Only a capitalist can do that.
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well, both Russia and China are Capitalists, so,
maybe they'll teach Maduro a thing or 2.
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11 journalists remain under detainment by Venezuelan authorities...

- 4 from Venezuela
- 2 from Chile
- 2 from France
- 2 from Colombia
- 1 from Spain
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The US and Britain are like vultures encroaching upon Venezuela’s wealth

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Plan A) Get the military to remove Maduro.

Plan B) Ukraine 2014, ramp up civil unrest, get people on the street, possibly using provocateurs mixed in with the people, and be able to accuse the government of killing their own people, and then needing to intervene.

Plan C) To send in a guerrilla force form Columbia or somewhere else.


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Re: VENEZUELA:Outages 7/BOMBSHELL:P261/AMBUSH:6+GENERAL ZAPATA KILLED/BOMBSHELL P351/8 ARRESTS P352-53/ FLIGHTS BAN P355
NYT: GUAIDO HAS MET MILITARY OFFICERS IN SECRET TO OUST MADURO
NYT: GUAIDO SAYS THERE ARE MEMBERS WITHIN THE MILITARY THAT RECOGNIZE THAT SITUATION CANNOT GO ON INDEFINITELY
NYT: GUAIDO SAYS MOST MEMBERS IN THE MILITARY SUPPORT A CHANGE


Is a military coup coming?
Spanish_guy





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