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Pooka  (OP)

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Back is better. I'll be crashing soon. Heading to walmart at 5:30 AM.
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Very glad it's better! Why so early to Walmart?
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77501891, one of the questions I was mumbling to myself that may not have made it to a post - supposing the time comes when coms are collected. Will they be checking such places as this forum, Amazon, eBay, etc? Or, if I have only one radio, that's all I have?

I actually hit the button and bought a set, but I can surely lose one in a hurry! After it's programmed, of course. LOL Would that be a wise idea?

Regarding Baofengs being seen as the poor redheaded stepchild, a great many people I have seen online are using them, from militia to survivalist teachers and on. They can't be totally bad! I had researched the brand in the past and that's why it was on my mind.

I have no intention of broadcasting without a license. Not sure how much I will broadcast after having a license - the purpose of the radio is to be able to hear what is going on, primarily. Emergency services, LE, nat'l guard, martial law enforcers, and all like that. Not ever ever to communicate with them, only to listen. I might even glue a bead on the Send button, just out of an abundance of caution. However, I do understand it is acceptable to broadcast a plea for assistance in case of emergency.

I really enjoy that you were the only person in position to cover communications during that exercise - great job!!! Must have been a great deal of fun, as well as good experience.
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A minor point to make first, there isn't any broadcasting in ham radio. You only transmit to make contact with another person. Yes, everybody can hear you but if you want to make a news report you have to contact someone and give it to them.

Amateur radio equipment has been confiscated before so that's not out of the question. There is so much used equipment out there that it would be unlikely all of it would be found. Also, equipment can be modified - I have a wifi router that I uploaded some software to and now it transmits on amateur frequencies at amateur power levels. From the outside it just looks like a stock wifi router.

And there's also the problem that some of these hams can homebrew a radio out of garbage that other people throw out. There's even a free book on the internet that tells you how to build radios from scratch - [link to www.qsl.net (secure)]

And, for a group that is technically competent, there sure are a lot of ham pages that are distinctly Web 1.0 :)

But to finish up, I think that in the US especially it would hard to go door to door. Hams are largely law abiding so all TPTB would have to do is restrict or do away with the amateur service and make examples of any scofflaws that they catch. But you only get caught if you transmit, listening is much harder to find. (It's possible, that's how television licenses are enforced in Europe)

Keep an eye out for scanners and general coverage receivers that you might run across. Monitoring communications and shortwave is a great way for someone that has physical difficulties to make a contribution.
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A minor point to make first, there isn't any broadcasting in ham radio. You only transmit to make contact with another person. Yes, everybody can hear you but if you want to make a news report you have to contact someone and give it to them.

Amateur radio equipment has been confiscated before so that's not out of the question. There is so much used equipment out there that it would be unlikely all of it would be found. Also, equipment can be modified - I have a wifi router that I uploaded some software to and now it transmits on amateur frequencies at amateur power levels. From the outside it just looks like a stock wifi router.

And there's also the problem that some of these hams can homebrew a radio out of garbage that other people throw out. There's even a free book on the internet that tells you how to build radios from scratch - [link to www.qsl.net (secure)]

And, for a group that is technically competent, there sure are a lot of ham pages that are distinctly Web 1.0 :)

But to finish up, I think that in the US especially it would hard to go door to door. Hams are largely law abiding so all TPTB would have to do is restrict or do away with the amateur service and make examples of any scofflaws that they catch. But you only get caught if you transmit, listening is much harder to find. (It's possible, that's how television licenses are enforced in Europe)

Keep an eye out for scanners and general coverage receivers that you might run across. Monitoring communications and shortwave is a great way for someone that has physical difficulties to make a contribution.
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I meant transmit, not broadcast - my apologies. New terminology. :)

I would LOVE to be of service, make a contribution, especially if I could do so sitting right here. And if the main receiver and scanner is/are confiscated, doggone that's a shame! Oh, wait - I might have something else tucked away in the back of the closet! I will be looking for used equipment, though I won't know what I am looking at. If the price is right, I'll drag it home, describe it to you, and suddenly discover what I found via your explanation! LOL

Has equipment been confiscated due to abuse and misuse, or something else? Non-licensed I understand.

Radio Free Europe was always a Godsend to listeners who managed a tiny transistor radio and could find one of those little batteries. They never transmitted, but would learn the truth of events in the world. Great groups of people would gather, as many as could feel safe sneaking along in the night or gathering in the back of a marketplace, and try to hear this tiny radio whispering truth to them. Learning of that might have been the beginning of my interest in HAM.

Another reason for my interest is knowing of all the times, especially in disasters, when HAM radios were the only way information could be transmitted to those who needed to know. HAM and MARS have been and continue to be an incredible blessing to so many people - I would be thrilled to help in that effort.

You refer to machines cobbled together from junk as a "problem" - why is that? I think it is terribly clever to be able to do that - it is beyond my talents and abilities so I would have to just buy things. And what you did with a wifi router - amazing! Not a clue how a person would do that, and what a great idea to have a disguise! I'd be all for a disguise of any equipment. Router, stereo, microwave, LOL, whatever!

Some of these are inexpensive - well under $100 for some. Is this better than a scanner? Both needed? [link to www.ebay.com (secure)]

You are amazing! I'm so grateful for your presence here, and your willingness to be so forthcoming with every sort of assistance! Thank you 4

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Is the contribution generally relaying messages which cannot reach Point A to Point B without a boost? That probably is not phrased correctly at all, but say someone in Seattle is trying to send a message to someone in Northern California, a person halfway or with an antenna that reached half way, would grab the message and relay it on to its destination? Or maybe to another MARS station which would relay to the next step?

The communication circle I am working on for us here is similar - once I have everyone who wants to be a part of it, I'll set everyone on a map and start seeing how far cell transmitters in trouble might go, and where there are MARS sites in between. Again no doubt wrong terminology but you probably understand what I mean.

What alternate power source, if any, do most hams have that wish to be of assistance during power outages? That considering we might have a loooooongggg power outage at some point.

I could see wanting equipment for this in my car. Not necessarily being able to acquire, but wanting.

Why is the shorter antenna that comes with the radios called a "rubber duck"? I have one coming that looks like a "whip" antenna - that is, it can be bent over and loosely attached to the base part of the antenna for transport or storage. It is female or whichever was noted as being required.

Is there anything already made, for a reasonable price, that is in a deflective casing, such as your router which isn't a router? Not from a major distributor, of course, because the secret would be out, but maybe from a smaller shop or person doing the building? Just cloud-walking here. Obviously your mind has gone there, at least at times, or you would not have made the router. Is there something premade for the technologically challenged?

Another question: Does "line of sight" mean literally "line of sight"? If so, I can see that working in, say, Kansas, but not in Western Washington. We have forests, hills, mountains, and I mean every few feet. LOL Really, about the only place there would be line of sight for a little way is on the beach or the freeway.

Edit: This is an interesting article and I'm curious what you think about it: [link to quietsurvivalist.com]

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Top Ten Foods with the Longest Shelf Life

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If you're traveling by foot with nothing but what you keep in your pack, you've failed and there's a word for what you are: A Refugee... Your bag isn't to keep you alive, it's to sustain deliberate activity.

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Disaster Mythology and Fact: Hurricane Katrina and Social Attachment

In this article, we reconsider these myths and facts in relation to Hurricane Katrina, with particular emphasis on psychosocial needs and behaviors, based on data gleaned from scientific sources as well as printed and electronic media reports. The review suggests that preparedness plans for disasters involving forced mass evacuation and resettlement should place a high priority on keeping families together—and even entire neighborhoods, where possible—so as to preserve the familiar and thereby minimize the adverse effects of separation and major dislocation on mental and physical health.

THE “MYTHS”

The 10 myths and facts on disasters are as follows:

Myth #1: Foreign medical volunteers with any kind of clinical background are needed. Fact: The local population almost always provides for its own immediate health needs. Only medical personnel with skills that are not available in the affected country may be needed.

Myth #2: Any kind of international assistance is needed immediately. Fact: A hasty response, not based on an impartial evaluation, contributes to the chaos. Most needs are met by the victims themselves and their government and local agencies, not by foreign aid workers.

Myth #3: Epidemics and plagues are inevitable after every disaster. Fact: Epidemics seldom occur after a disaster, and dead bodies do not lead to catastrophic outbreaks of infectious diseases. Improving sanitary conditions and educating the public on hygienic measures are the best means of preventing disease.

Myth #4: Disasters bring out the worst in people (e.g., looting, rioting). Fact: While there are isolated cases of antisocial behavior, which tend to be highlighted by the media, most people respond positively and generously.

Myth #5: The affected population is too shocked and helpless to take responsibility for its own survival. Fact: Many people find new strength and resiliency during an emergency.

Myth #6: Disasters are random killers. Fact: Disasters strike the most vulnerable groups hardest, i.e., minorities and the poor, especially women, children, and the elderly.

Myth #7: Locating disaster victims in temporary settlements is the best solution to the housing problem. Fact: This is the least desirable option. The preferred strategy is to purchase construction materials and rebuild.

Myth #8: Food aid is always required for the victims of natural disasters. Fact: Massive food aid is not usually required; natural disasters only rarely cause loss of crops.

Myth #9: Clothing is always needed by disaster victims. Fact: Clothing is almost never needed; it is usually culturally inappropriate, and although it is accepted by disaster victims it is almost never worn.

Myth #10: Things return to normal within a few weeks. Fact: Disasters have enduring effects and major economic consequences. International interest tends to wane just as needs and shortages become more pressing.


[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Much less than 30%

I disagree with several of these "myths" but perhaps you will agree. Let's talk about it - it's a good article, long and explanatory.

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listened to this guy last night, thought I would share

he is on the mark with the reality of the situation I think

Types of People Who Will Die First When SHTF - YouTube


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Back is better. I'll be crashing soon. Heading to walmart at 5:30 AM.
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Very glad it's better! Why so early to Walmart?
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That is the time I prefer to drive to town. The drivers on the rural 2-lanes here are horrendous. All over the road, messing with their phones, etc.

WM opens at 6AM, it takes me about a half hour to get there on the back roads with zero traffic at that time of day.

I could get there in about 10 minutes on the main highway,but I will not drive that road for any reason. 14 people died in a 23-mile section here in 2017.

I take the roads less traveled.
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I take the roads less traveled.
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I'm certainly with you on that!
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Does anyone burn on their property or have a fire pit anymore?

I am going to have a fire pit I am going start using this year. After I burn a whole bunch of cardboard and get some firewood stored, I will share a picture or video.

My brother burns all the time and I was like hell I have to do this.
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Thread: GLP ALERT! I just received intel of a planned power outage in WY. W - T - F
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Another question: Does "line of sight" mean literally "line of sight"?

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Yup.

It's why you need 5 or 6 satellites in orbit in order to talk to each other.

Only 2 on opposite sides of the planet could not see each other so they couldn't communicate.
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Does anyone burn on their property or have a fire pit anymore?

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Yes. I have a burn 'pit' that is made from a section of boiler jacket from the gold rush days here.

Was a stationary steam engine, maybe from a sawmill. We have used it to burn as well as cook. Once did 4 whole chickens and 2 tri-tip on it.

There is a pic of a similar engine out there, lost in photobucket hell. Here's a pic from today with a fire ready to be started.

It has brick in the bottom.


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HIghly recommend everybody read this from start to finish because it is sounding very odd and could affect all of us. Please check it ou!!!
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I saw the planned power outage thread...I don't think I buy it.

I could be wrong...Time will tell though.
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I saw the planned power outage thread...I don't think I buy it.

I could be wrong...Time will tell though.
 Quoting: Mental Case


I thought it was interesting and have been watching the thread and not sure what to think really. If true, it is alarming.
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I think most of you can figure out how to make this without watching the video. Salt water & magnet powered light bulb.

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ALWAYS KEEP A BIC LIGHTER IN YOUR POCKET ALWAYS!

That statement could save lives!

I always do because I smoke ciggies...but FIRE ON DEMAND is an invaluable tool!

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ALWAYS KEEP A BIC LIGHTER IN YOUR POCKET ALWAYS!

That statement could save lives!

I always do because I smoke ciggies...but FIRE ON DEMAND is an invaluable tool!
 Quoting: Mental Case


I will add "even one that is out of fluid." Just pick a little bit of lint off your clothes, make a ball, and put it where the flame should be. Try it now. It might come in handy later on. Those pieces of flint last much longer than the fluid.
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I saw the planned power outage thread...I don't think I buy it.
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Don't know if I believe it, but also don't know what OP stands to gain if it is not true. Could be the start of what we don't want to see. Just very curious indeed. Heaven help us if it is the start - nobody is ready - at least I am not and some others I know are not.
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I think most of you can figure out how to make this without watching the video. Salt water & magnet powered light bulb.
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I've not seen this before and the concept is fascinating! However, I cannot watch something that drags out forever as these videos do. So the basic idea is that copper is required to be touching the threads of the bulbs, a magnet goes in the salt water, and presto? Is that all there is to it?

I love this idea, if it works, and if I never ever have to hear that "music" again or watch cups being adjusted forever! LOL

Really, this is fascinating, LI! Thank you!
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ALWAYS KEEP A LIGHTER IN YOUR POCKET ALWAYS!
That statement could save lives!
I always do because I smoke ciggies...but FIRE ON DEMAND is an invaluable tool!
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Brand name lighter isn't necessary. Any sort of lighter - I agree should be in the pocket of smokers and nonsmokers alike. And a kazillion in preps for barter goods!
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I've not seen this before and the concept is fascinating! However, I cannot watch something that drags out forever as these videos do. So the basic idea is that copper is required to be touching the threads of the bulbs, a magnet goes in the salt water, and presto? Is that all there is to it?

I love this idea, if it works, and if I never ever have to hear that "music" again or watch cups being adjusted forever! LOL

Really, this is fascinating, LI! Thank you!
 Quoting: Pooka

I haven't tried this. I prefer a more natural light. In a SHTF scenario (and when safe to do so), I will be using, candles, hurricane lamps and coleman lanterns. But I thought this DIY might be worth it's salt.
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I haven't tried this. I prefer a more natural light. In a SHTF scenario (and when safe to do so), I will be using, candles, hurricane lamps and coleman lanterns. But I thought this DIY might be worth it's salt.


If/when power goes out, I would surely try this. That's why I was asking if the basics are salt water, a copper wire touching light bulb threads, and a magnet.

I just bought about 20 heavy ceramic magnets oddly enough. They'll attach t hings to cars, like camouflage covers, mosquito netting, etc. If power was out, I'd love light bulb light, though I'm sure it's lesser in water than in a power socket.

By the way, peeps, my eyes were dilated today and still not quite right, so typos are likely - shoot me. LOL
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ALWAYS KEEP A LIGHTER IN YOUR POCKET ALWAYS!
That statement could save lives!
I always do because I smoke ciggies...but FIRE ON DEMAND is an invaluable tool!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Brand name lighter isn't necessary. Any sort of lighter - I agree should be in the pocket of smokers and nonsmokers alike. And a kazillion in preps for barter goods!
 Quoting: Pooka


edit: We've talked a lot about barter goods, and many have different ideas, which is good - variety is the spice, etc.

My determination seems to have come all the way - lighters, coffee, cigarets or tobacco. Anyone and everyone will need lighters because they are not going to be practiced in making sparks with whatever system they bought, and lighters are just easier. Also have some matches to alternate with. Lighters worth more, of course.

People will be nearly ready to kill for a cup of caffeine. I know I would be - the headache alone would be tough. Then there's the cigaret - even if they have been days or weeks without one, those accustomed to smoking will be desperate still. To be able to barter a combination of enough coffee for a cup, plus one cigaret, would gain one a year's supply of shrimp or steak or anything, darned near! LOL Harder to keep cigarets on hand, but then, a few cans or bags of tobacco and a great many cigaret papers - cheaper by far, and those desperate enough will suddenly remember they used to know how to roll marijuana cigarets and can surely manage one of tobacco.

Tea bags I will probably just keep for myself, selfishly. Can't imagine not having tea to sip - and cold is fine - it starts hot but goes along nicely when cooled. Maybe I will share a few, but only with the nicest of people, of course!

Drove across the parking lot to Walmart today from eye appt while dilated - ew. So I couldn't find any butane bottles, but still had to manage checkout and had been standing and walking a long time so I didn't look for long. Of all things I ran into an acquaintance in a cart - not sure why she uses it. She's the weight of an apricot, for pete's sake, and has no walking difficulties that I know of! That might have changed since she is on dialysis now. Told her I don't even try any more to get one because they are always either in use or charging. She said there was a whole pile of them this time. Oh well.

Found the sweetest little plants to go in my hanging baskets - like miniature sunflowers, and trailing. Have not seen those before. Overwintered the fuschias and Creeping Jenny - had a couple other things that I don't think made it. These little yellow sweeties will be adorable. I'll see what they are when I plant them or move them tomorrow. Left them on the front porch in the rain for now.

Still thinking about that power outage thread. If OP made it up, I will remember that person, but still don't see a reason. Shutting down oil wells for more than a day does seem a long step to take, doesn't it?

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A year's worth of bathroom tissue stored in less than one cubic foot of space. Hmmm
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Crunch, how's your back today after moving all that wood? And how was the zero dark thirty trip to Walmart?

I didn't get there until about four, because my exams take forever - a medication I take for lupus can cause blindness so twice a year my eyes go through the wringer. So far so good!

This must have been either a good day or a good time of the month, because it wasn't bad in there, and it wasn't hard to get a handicapped parking space, either. Usually I like Sunday mornings, or any time before 11 a.m. - an employee gave me that tip.

So tell us how you are doing, please, Crunch - hope your back didn't seize up today.
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If/when power goes out, I would surely try this. That's why I was asking if the basics are salt water, a copper wire touching light bulb threads, and a magnet.
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Copper wire isn't necessary. From what I read the salt frees up the ions so they can flow.
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If/when power goes out, I would surely try this. That's why I was asking if the basics are salt water, a copper wire touching light bulb threads, and a magnet.
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Copper wire isn't necessary. From what I read the salt frees up the ions so they can flow.
 Quoting: LookingInward


Then I wonder why the big deal about the wire? Both videos I watched used it, I think, and one used nails, which I didn't get.

I understand that to make a two-minute video probably isn't worthwhile and maybe YT wouldn't even accept that size, but I wish one had been just that brief and to the point, and without that noise in the background.

Do we have to start experimenting? LOL As if we didn't have enough to do, but it would be fun to try.
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