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BTW, I once read a book about a crazy Canadian and his son who took a canoe from the lakes of Canada down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico then around the Gulf hugging the shore to the Orinoco in Venuzuela and then to the Amazon.

It was a trip of 25,000 miles by canoe.

Crazy!

Totally true that to a starving person or animal, the slightest scent, slightest hint of food, of cooking, of fire which would suggest cooking - they will respond instantly.

The bacon grease candle is really not a bad idea, though I'm not comfortable putting it by people no matter how stupid or mean - unless of course having physically attacked me. I'd have to put it somewhere - not sure where nor how we would safely arrive there and home again.

People in warmer climates need to seriously consider the increased infection rate in the smallest of wounds, not to mention larger ones. Hygiene becomes even more critical in those conditions, as well as fanatical wound care, just because life could so quickly be lost from infection.

I so much wish she had a star, so she could receive PMs - I am positive the problem was a link she was trying to post - if only she had remained here, reading, so we could help her, tell her what the problem is.

Does anybody see whispering leaves in another thread? if so, would you send her a quick message to return, just as part of your normal post in that thread? Thank you

Darth, we are glad for you to be in such a good prepping position, geographical, familial, ready preps and all! Your options for agriculture are wonderful! Do you have the seeds stored? They'd be difficult to find "later".

I hope anyone in your general area reads your post and takes your hint very seriously. Are the winters there mild? Are snakes a big problem in and around water? Is the area densely populated so that a person doing as you mentioned would likely be running into them often?

They made it!!! WHoaaa What a trip! Their grandchildren surely were told amazing stories! Imagine -

I thought about this. You must prepare yourself for no vehicle. You will carry or you may pull with something on wheels.

I personally have two knee braces and back brace ready with a nice pack with support too. Buy or make walking sticks or even crutches if you have too.

I then prepared for portable sleeping system, fire, water, etc...

You will want one other person, a buddy system. So find one person who is like minded like yourself now and practice and talk.


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Denholm, your posts are always great and you give such wonderful suggestions! We do need to see to personal needs like laundry, hygiene, etc, but especially we need safety/protection and water. First those, then food and the rest. I agree with you.

Some of us, however, due to certain physical restrictions, will not be able to do any walking. We might walk a few steps at home, might manage one shop, but by no means could set off on a hike, not even if we knew it was only five miles.

This thread has a couple semi-divisions. One is set by available resources for purchasing and planning. The other is set by physical limitations.

Much of what we write about suits all groups, or can be adapted to suit all. If an item we believe we need is expensive, someone generally comes up with a work-around or a less expensive form for those of lesser means.

Unfortunately, the human physical restrictions may not allow for work-arounds, and we need to address these issues as well.

Certainly a person with severe physical inabilities cannot expect to have the longest life span, but still has a perfect right to do the best he or she can, extending it as far as possible while counting on a miracle, since miracles do happen. God will take care of His own. We want to be as helpful as possible to those people as to more active types.

Thus, we have to address equally those who could leave their vehicle, taking their supplies, or most of them, one way or another, and those who cannot go more than a few yards beyond their vehicle.

Love these structures, Denholm! Look so comforting, as well as comfortable - they give a semblance of a home - which will lift our spirits greatly - almost normalcy!

Just to have protection from the weather, a little protection for ourselves not just from the elements but from wildlife as well, whether winged, two-or four-legged.

These are terrific, thank you!

Yes, I hoard seeds. Every couple of years I buy one of those cans of survival seeds. However, I have found that the best crops to grow on my land are sunflowers and turnips. Will try planting wild rice this year in the swampy areas. The sunflowers grow so fast that I could get up to 3 crops per year.

My seed stores are very diverse. Could plant many acres.

Winters are mild. I see few snakes around here. I think the wild hogs love eating them. Of course, snakes are ideal survival prey.

Houston is big, but farther South along the swampy coast, density is much lower.

The bays are huge. Look up Matagorda and the Laguna Madre. There are many miles of coastal swamps to bug out in.

Bring your mosquito netting and repellent! Those salt water skeeters can stand flat footed and rape a turkey.

BTW, Matagorda Island is overrun with wild hogs.

Once again, I firmly believe in bugging in if at all possible.

Darth said: Yes, I hoard seeds. Every couple of years I buy one of those cans of survival seeds. However, I have found that the best crops to grow on my land are sunflowers and turnips. Will try planting wild rice this year in the swampy areas. The sunflowers grow so fast that I could get up to 3 crops per year.

My seed stores are very diverse. Could plant many acres.

Winters are mild. I see few snakes around here. I think the wild hogs love eating them. Of course, snakes are ideal survival prey.

Houston is big, but farther South along the swampy coast, density is much lower.

The bays are huge. Look up Matagorda and the Laguna Madre. There are many miles of coastal swamps to bug out in.

Bring your mosquito netting and repellent! Those salt water skeeters can stand flat footed and rape a turkey.

BTW, Matagorda Island is overrun with wild hogs.

Once again, I firmly believe in bugging in if at all possible.

So glad you have a good storage of seeds - with all your acreage, and possibly your neighbors' as well, you are in great agricultural shape.

How will you supplement a diet of sunflower seeds and turnips and perhaps wild rice? And how will you protect your crops? You certainly will have wonderful foods for barter if you can protect the crops from the desert. Perhaps you have cattle you can protect, as well as other sorts of seeds for salads and vegetables.

Love your humor with the skeeters and turkeys. I wrote a to a friend one time when I was in Alaska that I would love to send her a mosquito so she could see the size of it, but I couldn't afford the freight. LOL

I won't be coming your direction - I was thinking of others, perhaps closer to the area, who might need an escape plan.

Bugging in is by far my preference too - for myself as well as for anyone else, if at all possible. If I have to leave, it will be toward a forest, most likely, and I live in the PNW.

Thank you for the information - it was fun to read and may well help someone who is in or can get to that area!

They might as well stay where they are and learn to fight then JMHO

The person is going to need people too, so be prepared to negotiate and/or help others and learn to live with them.

Because when they are going have to leave, they are going to need help.

They may not wish to leave, for whatever reason, or perhaps they are going to go it alone for whatever reason, so we need to find ways that will accommodate their needs and preferences.

People, what do you think - we are including people who are "poor" - what about the disabled? What would you think about my changing the thread title to be inclusive of them?

The reason it's on my mind tonight is that I read a post in another thread today wherein someone said that anybody who takes medications might as well just die, because they have bad genes which will infect the gene pool.

This upset me - I saw it as being terribly wrong. In fact, it's upsetting me as I think about it.

So, how about we include the disabled and certainly those who require medication? We've been doing the medication thing fairly well so far, but perhaps people will speak up with needs for other medications, now that we are addressing inclusiveness.

I don't think we should assume that any group of people will just die right away. That's not fair, and does not leave room for miracles and other acts of God.

Tell me what you think, group.

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This question took me a few days to sort out but here is my take on it if I actually had to bug out. The thing that stumped me in this scenario was that if a major emergency happened more than likely Martial Law would be in effect making travel really difficult in the first place...Road blocks and checkpoints that you would run into. So getting to a destination might be futile. But, if I could, this is an escape plan that could be used.

Physically capable:

First and foremost would have to be packing cases of water.
A backpack loaded with survival gear (for when vehicle no longer useful)..Tent,Blankets,Extra Socks,Deet,Compass/Maps,Fire making material,Magnifying Glass.
Portable Food(energy bars)
Machete/Sharpening Stone.Portable Shovel/Axe
Water Filter Straws,Water Purification Tablets a must.Or packets of pool shock as I have seen mentioned many times.(Great idea)
A rifle/pistol and lots of ammo.
A crank emergency radio will be a godsend. Don't forget an ear jack so that you can stay silent while you listen.
A Bible
Camping recipes for wild game.

In vehicle I suppose it would be ok to travel by day but once having to hoof it then it's only travel by night and sleep by day.
While still having access to internet, Pull up google maps and spot locations that are next to water sources that could be off he beaten path.Away from civilization. Print these out to map form so you know where your destination will be.

For ones that cannot physically hoof it :

Pack vehicle with everything listed above like you are going to use vehicle to live out of.
Find an out of the way national forest next to a water source and camp out indefinitely.
Buddy system for either type of living will make things a lot easier but of course have to double up on supplies.

I decided to watch After Armaggedon again tonight, and notice things I had not in first watching.

We've had the scenario of a child knocking on the door for food.

According to the experts in this film, the experience, which takes place in Africa and other places, is that children become the most vicious! This is very surprising! I'd like to know if this occurred in Haiti and other countries decimated by earthquake or violent stormed. We've seen video of children in dumps in those places, picking through the garbage, with no adults present. I would guess this happens anywhere there is not parental control.

He says the children form gangs, and are more vicious than adults in getting their needs fulfilled. They will attack, kill, do anything they think necessary, in order to get food and anything else they need and want.

This will take some attitude adjustment for us, since we have the belief that children will be with parents, and under the control of parents, and that the parents will provide for the needs of the children.

The children have the energy to do almost anything, and in groups they would have great bravery and determination.

This needs serious consideration and discussion and I will say again for the record, If a child knocks on your door, DO NOT OPEN IT!

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KTee, this is absolutely wonderful! You are very wise in your suggestions! Some I had not thought of such as Deet! Boy, living in the woods a person would really need that! Especially near a water source!

In general your whole plan is terrific!I agree that if martial law is already in place, travel would be very difficult and perhaps even dangerous, since soldiers in their first assignment of martial law would likely be quite carried away with the new responsibility and a little too eager to "handle things".

I suspect we have to either be extremely "awake" and clever to leave before martial law, or sit tight after. I wouldn't want to try even driving down the street here, knowing I would be stopped and perhaps my vehicle would be searched, with items I desperately need being confiscated - any weapons - probably most of the water and food.

I couldn't recommend trying to bug out to anybody with martial law in place. I think in that case we would have to remain sheltered in place and not go out at all, not for anything, until circumstances change. It's even possible the soldiers could be called upon [by what means I am not sure - CB radio, perhaps?] to help us if we saw a roving gang or were threatened.

After martial law settles a little, we would have to reassess everything - do we still need to leave? Is civilization returning to normal, with commerce restarted and needs available? No way of knowing at this time what might happen, because we've never faced this before.

We probably should also, before long, seriously discuss signals - what are the signals to move out now, before we can't?

In KTee's recommendations - MAPS!!! Get maps or print maps of the area you expect to move out to. If you are considering more than one area, of course acquire maps for all. Perhaps the maps alone will help you decide which area will be best.

KTee, looks like you have a very good chance of survival!

I thought of something a bit ago watching this film, After Armaggedon. We need to acquire fish antibiotics or those for livestock from feed stores which require refrigeration, I believe, whereas maybe the fish sort don't. Also need to check on storage life of each. Have to investigate. We don't want to die of an infection from a hangnail, which is possible.

When the film finished, another came up, called Day after Disaster - Washington DC Gets Nuked.

Many certainly consider this possible - DC or NYC or both. At any rate, it's about surviving after, apparently. I haven't seen it yet - have to go wash dishes which I forgot all day and now have to do at one in the morning. LOL

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Whole article which could be helpful about fish antibiotics.

Sure there is more out there but this one popped up first and looks interesting.
Whole site seems to be about prepping so could be helpful as well~

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Well, look at you! Wanted to put up a "smilie" that says "You go, girl!" but don't know if you are female.

At any rate, great job! Thank you!

May we know your state or at least general area? I'm in WA state.

I'm a female in West Central Florida. *warm smiles*
(have no idea why I can't change that Canadian Flag)

The suggestion about the Deet in my previous post was cause of a fishing/camping trip I took down to the Everglades and I was shocked at the number and size of the mosquitoes there. I never forgot that trip and will always keep Deet at the ready!~ LOL

EWW! So you have already been under attack! And lived to tell about it! Nasty things - and I remain unconvinced that they do not carry diseases in addition to the ones WHO admits to.

Warm smiles for you too! So glad you are with us!

How funny to have a Canadian flag for an American! Did you ask Trinity to fix it? Or any admin? They can do magic. :)

Do you plant to shelter in place, or are there empty enough places in Florida to escape to? With industrial-size Deet, of course!

Glad to be here too, thank you~

Prepping has been a serious issue with us here as of late.
News getting scarier everyday. Downloaded the pdf "One Second After" Really opened my eyes. The afterword I wasn't to pleased with how they talked about what Florida had turned into.Seemed uninhabitable at that point one year later. Florida does have a lot of national parks but I know we would not be the only ones thinking of going to these spots so interaction would be hard to get away from.
Side note..could head south to the everglades again.. not too many peeps would want to deal with what I had to but i think if it was a survival situation I would just load up on the Deet and probably be ok. Plus, I love gatortail. Not squeamish when it comes to eating out of the ordinary things. Snakes and things that come with Swamp life.

Hubby and I would plan to bug in for the most part though.
IF we really had to go there would be a mental aspect that we would have to deal with and that would be our fur babies.
We have 2 dogs and 6 cats. The decision to set them free to fend for themselves would be heart breaking to say the least.Which is another aspect of having to bug out for anyone who has that type of extended family.Could you mentally do that? Or find a way to take them with which adds a whole new set of responsibilities to add to your survival list.
Something to think about~

I haven't asked anyone about fixing the flag issue yet.
I'll see if I can make contact. thank you for the suggestion~

Yes, the news is worse and worse almost hour by hour. Thank God for GLP being first with the news and then the in-depth details our great researchers get to.

Please do NOT set your furkin outside to fend for themselves. They cannot. Bad, bad things will happen to them. That is not the best alternative.

If I have to leave, mine go with me. They bark - this is good and bad and I have thought about it, definitely. Good to warn me of anybody near. Bad if I wanted us to stay silent. I don't know the end result, but there is no possibility I would leave them behind alive. That would be cruel in the extreme and I could not do it. I was a PAWS volunteer for seven years and I know too much about pets left to fend for themselves. I'd put them down before I'd do that, and I would beg anybody not to leave theirs.

I can't imagine surviving in the Everglades and you are very impressive for even considering it! Would you not worry that the things you are willing to eat might eat you first? Is there ANY safe place there? From what I have seen via video, no! Even if you found or made a building, slithery things can get in. Everything about it gives me the willies! WOW!

Where I would go - there could be wolves, coyotes, deer, elk, maybe bears. The only snakes here are garter snakes, which are entirely harmless, but they scare me to pieces anyway! Having barking dogs would be helpful with bears and other four-legged creatures, scaring them away.

Dogs are a great alarm system, especially mine. I have one twenty-pounder that does not sleep all the day long. She is constantly working, listening, watching out the window, checking where I am and usually being where I am. She is a tremendous alarm system. The other one, elderly and eight pounds, barks often enough, herself.

Their barking may attract people - including hungry people. I don't know the answer to that, except that a number of them will not survive to regret their decision. After that, I don't know. Don't know what it takes to make gangs or starving people to leave something alone. Bodies strewn about might be helpful, but they will attract insects and promote disease.

Leaving them was never a consideration - never entered my mind. I would never do that to them. Food and water for them are a natural part of my planning, both for sheltering in and bugging out. You'll laugh - I live in tsunami territory, and have a tsunami trunk in the car. There is probably more for them in the trunk than for me! LOL Leashes, coats, food, collapsable bowls, chewies to chase away boredom.

Cats are harder, no question. Many do not appreciate travel. They complain loudly and are annoying while traveling. They require food, water, potty boxes, and perhaps cannot last the trip without all the above. I drove from NC to WA with two dogs and a cat. The cat traveled in a cage during the day. When we parked for the night, I let her out of the cage to access food, water, potty box, and while the dogs and I slept in the back of our vehicle, she roamed around and did as she pleased. She understood in the morning it was back into her cage. That was used to prevent her getting out of the vehicle when I did, which cats always manage to do.

We all have so many questions, at least internally, about what we will do, how we will manage, what decisions we will have to make, will we survive? Will we want to survive? How will we die, if that is to happen? We are here for these reasons - to talk about them, think about them, learn about them from others, have resources to help us make decisions.

I believe as time goes on people here will feel more and more free to state what their deeper concerns are, so that we can ideally help them with ideas and solutions.

The easiest way, in my view, to contact admin or a mod is to find a thread in which they have posted. Scrump posts in most threads, and is so very kind and helpful! Lady Jane as well. Just click under their name on Private Message, and there you go.

I highly suggest everyone interested here should search and read article on the "Bosnian War survival stories". Great insight.

GLP is my first go to everyday for news. It definitely is the best over all. One day I may be to afford a membership. Times are tight right now but that's ok.

Coming right down to the brass of it I don't think I could ever part with my pets. My Blazer would have to be traded in for an upgrade to an RV of some kind to handle the extra supplies needed to travel with.And I know for certain that I could NEVER put them down.

Definitely have to stay prepared for Tsnamis for they can come up out of nowhere so I have seen. Having trunk packed with goodies for pets is a plus. Just make sure you have room for your stuff as well. *chuckles softly*

Moving to the Everglades under a survival situation would take serious resolve to say the least. The area I went should I be able to find it again (Maps *smiles*) was a rocky area off the water's edge that could be built into an area to put up a shelter. Now,besides the wildlife that could eat me first, I would have to take my chances with. Outside makeshift alarms would have to be set up. Like bells, on a perimeter line strung up around the encampment. The other real threat would be the weather. We here in Florida have to deal with the hurricane issue. Which is why the crank emergency radio would be a must. My thoughts are hordes of hungry people vs wildlife. I think taking a chance with wildlife would fare better. IMO.

As the ultimate question haunts us..Will we survive?
Well,we might not but at least you know you did your best and didn't just throw in the towel and give up.

Would we want to survive? Myself? Yes, I would try UNLESS it was a nuclear war. Then my hopes would be that I was at ground zero and not have to deal with that aftermath..cause it more than likely would be slow and painful and I would not wish that on anyone.

GLP is my first go to everyday for news. It definitely is the best over all. One day I may be to afford a membership. Times are tight right now but that's ok.

Coming right down to the brass of it I don't think I could ever part with my pets. My Blazer would have to be traded in for an upgrade to an RV of some kind to handle the extra supplies needed to travel with.And I know for certain that I could NEVER put them down.

Definitely have to stay prepared for Tsnamis for they can come up out of nowhere so I have seen. Having trunk packed with goodies for pets is a plus. Just make sure you have room for your stuff as well. *chuckles softly*

Moving to the Everglades under a survival situation would take serious resolve to say the least. The area I went should I be able to find it again (Maps *smiles*) was a rocky area off the water's edge that could be built into an area to put up a shelter. Now,besides the wildlife that could eat me first, I would have to take my chances with. Outside makeshift alarms would have to be set up. Like bells, on a perimeter line strung up around the encampment. The other real threat would be the weather. We here in Florida have to deal with the hurricane issue. Which is why the crank emergency radio would be a must. My thoughts are hordes of hungry people vs wildlife. I think taking a chance with wildlife would fare better. IMO.

As the ultimate question haunts us..Will we survive?
Well,we might not but at least you know you did your best and didn't just throw in the towel and give up.

Would we want to survive? Myself? Yes, I would try UNLESS it was a nuclear war. Then my hopes would be that I was at ground zero and not have to deal with that aftermath..cause it more than likely would be slow and painful and I would not wish that on anyone.

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We so much agree! Wildlife vs. wild life - yup, I'll take wildlife.

You can upgrade your membership with green karma - only takes 100 - that's how I do it. Times are tight in many places! :)

When you wrote of the Everglades I was so fastened on alligators and snakes I forgot the biggy - hurricanes! So I suppose where you go will depend on the season? Can't imagine trying to survive a hurricane right at hurricane central.

No, I don't think many could actually leave their pets behind when they really thought about it. That is, some will, the ones that should not have pets in the first place. In those cases, the pets just might be better off alone, although it's terrible to think of, because dogs are the only creatures that love us more than they love themselves, and they would be broken-hearted at abandonment by the cruelest of owners.

You are right, I believe, that we will want to survive or at the very least know that we did our best. At the same time I agree about a nuclear event - better to go suddenly and be done than to have radiation poisoning.

The perimeter line is a great plan - though I can't say whether more for wildlife or wild life. Six of one and half a dozen of the other, perhaps.

Your mention of a crank radio reminds me that I have to get into that trunk and check the batteries of mine - since I've had it a few years and haven't even unwrapped it. It could be ruined from leaving the batteries in place, which had not come to mind til Denholm mentioned it.

Do you have a CB radio in your vehicle? Might be a good idea as I understand people will still be communicating in that manner whatever happens. They can be found used on eBay. I ordered one for myself and later one for a friend.

Perhaps a van would be large enough for all your critters and supplies? On the other hand, an RV has camping advantages which might be very useful as part of your campsite. I'm thinking about another van - had to sell one I thought I'd keep forever, which had no computers and could be fixed with chewing gum and baling wire, but as my body changed getting in and out hurt too much. Sold it and bought a Volvo- seat wouldn't adjust enough and it hurt. Sold it and bought a Silverado - had to pull myself in via the steering wheel with right arm til that shoulder went bone on bone to match the left. Sold it and bought a minivan which is perfect for getting into and out of, but maybe there is a van that would be easier to get into. We'll see. I'd like the space and shape for driving away from here if required. Solid interior for sleeping and protection of supplies and living creatures. If not, the minivan will have to do.

Is it in your files, Denholm? I'd be very happy to read it! Also where will I find One Second After? Looked for it in your PDFs but couldn't see it.

Thank you!