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How Benzodiazepines finally kill you... (And you thought popping pills was all fun and games) | |
| DarkHorizonz Offer Upgrade  User ID: 76136189  United States01/27/2019 03:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Forget about this 'Cannabis Kills' guy, yes it's true that Cannabis can cause harmful effects, and that after a multi year habit similar alterations in metabolic and physiological processes can occur making you never feel the same without the drug again. It can also cause a pneumothorax (full lung collapse) if you're not careful with the way you smoke, and the size of the hits you're taking. It's something to definitely take seriously. However, it's not going to kill you, and neither will Opioids, although you're going to be experiencing some serious pain during Withdrawal, if you managed to get to the point of that type of physiological dependency. Benzodiazepines on the other hand, really will kill you, and they do it in a very unique way, and on a very surreptitious level. If you're a Benzo addict that just pops them like candy, just remember, as soon as you run dry, you're dead without extreme medical intervention. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than tapering how does one get over it? If someone went cold turkey on a low dose, say 1 mg per day, how long before back to normal assuming the seizure is avoided or survivable? Quoting: New Age Scam Artist A proper taper is the only way, even 1 mg will produce Seizures during the withdrawal period, especially if it was a Benzo as potent as Klonopin. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than tapering how does one get over it? If someone went cold turkey on a low dose, say 1 mg per day, how long before back to normal assuming the seizure is avoided or survivable? Quoting: New Age Scam Artist A proper taper is the only way, even 1 mg will produce Seizures during the withdrawal period, especially if it was a Benzo as potent as Klonopin. The 1 mg level is sort of a safety zone though, and your rate of survivability during the efforts to get off it, and the subsequent Withdrawal are high. It's people who take between the 4 mg - 10 mg per day range who are in EXTREME danger, if they try to quit cold turkey. Even .5 mg of Xanax or Klonopin is a significant dosage for an individual who has never used any drugs before. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can be fooled into thinking that just because you're not feeling the Euphoria anymore, which like I mentioned has a very quick deterioration, that the drug is no longer doing something to you. These drugs linger, and do stuff in the background that you're not consciously aware of. In the case of Benzos, this is the reason that you end up dying. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than tapering how does one get over it? If someone went cold turkey on a low dose, say 1 mg per day, how long before back to normal assuming the seizure is avoided or survivable? Quoting: New Age Scam Artist Don't assume that you'll ever 'be back to normal' you'll just be alive and kicking if you manage to kick the drug without having the dreaded Grand Mal Seizure that has killed so many. In this case, Medical examiners will usually shill for big pharma, because by the time you die, the standard Toxicology reports come up negative for any drugs in your system. They would have to do an extensive hair test, and they don't do that on the dead, unless dealing with a purely exclusive murder case where exotic poisons are suspected. Marijuana is similar in this regard, although it won't kill you like Benzos (at least not that we know of yet) you'll never feel the same again after forming a physiological habit that dictates your sleeping and eating patterns, as well as emotions, seratonin and dopamine levels. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75147472  Japan01/27/2019 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than tapering how does one get over it? If someone went cold turkey on a low dose, say 1 mg per day, how long before back to normal assuming the seizure is avoided or survivable? Quoting: New Age Scam Artist A proper taper is the only way, even 1 mg will produce Seizures during the withdrawal period, especially if it was a Benzo as potent as Klonopin. Prescribing this shit is so irresponsible. How long should a proper taper last at the 1 mg dose? A month? 2 months? And why don't psychiatrists tell you about this? It's fucking evil. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | During the last phases of Benzo withdrawal, you know that you're going to die. If you're in this situation, and all hell has broken loose internally, from insomnia, lack of appetite, to voices and tremors, seek medical attention immediately, because you're about to die. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than tapering how does one get over it? If someone went cold turkey on a low dose, say 1 mg per day, how long before back to normal assuming the seizure is avoided or survivable? Quoting: New Age Scam Artist A proper taper is the only way, even 1 mg will produce Seizures during the withdrawal period, especially if it was a Benzo as potent as Klonopin. Prescribing this shit is so irresponsible. How long should a proper taper last at the 1 mg dose? A month? 2 months? And why don't psychiatrists tell you about this? It's fucking evil. Since I'm not a Professional Medical Physician, I'm not really qualified to say exactly how long the taper process takes, some say up to 6 months though. What you're actually tapering off of, is not your addiction to the 'high/euphoria' it's the transition of your physiological systems back to normal so that you can sleep and eat again, and don't end up dying, and going completely insane leading up to that. As far as the Medical establishment being EVIL and hiding information from unsuspecting victims, you're absolutely right. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76136189 United States01/27/2019 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than tapering how does one get over it? If someone went cold turkey on a low dose, say 1 mg per day, how long before back to normal assuming the seizure is avoided or survivable? Quoting: New Age Scam Artist A proper taper is the only way, even 1 mg will produce Seizures during the withdrawal period, especially if it was a Benzo as potent as Klonopin. Prescribing this shit is so irresponsible. How long should a proper taper last at the 1 mg dose? A month? 2 months? And why don't psychiatrists tell you about this? It's fucking evil. Since I'm not a Professional Medical Physician, I'm not really qualified to say exactly how long the taper process takes, some say up to 6 months though. What you're actually tapering off of, is not your addiction to the 'high/euphoria' it's the transition of your physiological systems back to normal so that you can sleep and eat again, and don't end up dying, and going completely insane leading up to that. As far as the Medical establishment being EVIL and hiding information from unsuspecting victims, you're absolutely right. If anyone prescribed or taking Benzos for fun knew what they were getting into, they would have thrown them in the garbage immediately. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75147472 Japan01/27/2019 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: DarkHorizonz A proper taper is the only way, even 1 mg will produce Seizures during the withdrawal period, especially if it was a Benzo as potent as Klonopin. Prescribing this shit is so irresponsible. How long should a proper taper last at the 1 mg dose? A month? 2 months? And why don't psychiatrists tell you about this? It's fucking evil. Since I'm not a Professional Medical Physician, I'm not really qualified to say exactly how long the taper process takes, some say up to 6 months though. What you're actually tapering off of, is not your addiction to the 'high/euphoria' it's the transition of your physiological systems back to normal so that you can sleep and eat again, and don't end up dying, and going completely insane leading up to that. As far as the Medical establishment being EVIL and hiding information from unsuspecting victims, you're absolutely right. If anyone prescribed or taking Benzos for fun knew what they were getting into, they would have thrown them in the garbage immediately. Thanks for the info. Benzos are terrible. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 60944093 United States01/27/2019 04:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: New Age Scam Artist Prescribing this shit is so irresponsible. How long should a proper taper last at the 1 mg dose? A month? 2 months? And why don't psychiatrists tell you about this? It's fucking evil. Since I'm not a Professional Medical Physician, I'm not really qualified to say exactly how long the taper process takes, some say up to 6 months though. What you're actually tapering off of, is not your addiction to the 'high/euphoria' it's the transition of your physiological systems back to normal so that you can sleep and eat again, and don't end up dying, and going completely insane leading up to that. As far as the Medical establishment being EVIL and hiding information from unsuspecting victims, you're absolutely right. If anyone prescribed or taking Benzos for fun knew what they were getting into, they would have thrown them in the garbage immediately. Thanks for the info. Benzos are terrible. My pleasure, and good luck to you.  To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 60944093 United States01/27/2019 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Individuals who are prescribed extremely high dosages of potent Benzodiazepines, like Xanax and Klonopin, typically are Military Veterans suffering from extreme PTSD. The Benzo is typically mixed and moderated by other drugs as well, including SSRI's and Anti-Psychotics. These specific cases deal with individuals who don't have any intention of ever getting off the drugs, and will likely stay on them for the rest of their lifetime. An example though.... A Military Veteran who is being legally prescribed 6-10 mg per day of Xanax, or especially Klonopin, is a dead man walking if he ever even attempts to quit. With the Klonopin, you'll get around a 4 day grace period because of its extensive half-life/full-life, but after that, you're FINISHED. With Xanax, the withdrawals will start to kick in well before the 22.4 hour full life, which doesn't give you long until your nightmare starts. Don't underestimate this class of drugs, it's precisely as dangerous as Opioids, just in a different way. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
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| The ring of truth User ID: 75225152 United States01/27/2019 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by The ring of truth on 01/27/2019 06:16 AM TRUMP MAGA KAG 2020~AND BEYOND! Plus KILL THE UN,put a stake through its BLACK HEART OF DEATH! Then after that,GET RID OF THE IRS,CIA,FBI,NSA,AND SO ON... ALL WE NEED IS SHERIFFS! |
| Union Jackboot User ID: 75268697  United Kingdom01/27/2019 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just one question: can I get Klonopin on the streets? DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE! The reader is responsible for discerning the validity, factuality or implications of information posted here, be it fictional or based on real events. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77322513  Germany01/27/2019 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My first comment was ment to be sarcastic. That being said.. You can get a kidney on the 'streets' if you know where to look but in all seriousness, benzos are a very dangerous drug. Just 2mg has the ability to put you in a 12 hour blackout in which you maintain your primary motor functions perfectly. People have woken up in jail cells with a murder charge they have absolute no memory of. They are also bad for your brain. Getting off them is absolute hell and as OP stated can cause death. If you do take one do not drink(even the next day;half-life)as this can kill you and will definitely increase the likelyhood of a black out. I am not a doctor, and I would not advise anyone to try and or take benzos unless you went through something so horrific and traumatic you shake involuntarily almost constantly because of what was done to you. Even in that case it should be short term. They can ruin your life. |
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| beeches User ID: 74276477 United States01/27/2019 09:14 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | most grand mal seizures do not kill only if you go into an ongoing, unstoppable seizure state called status epilepticus untreated, that could kill. most seizures respond to Valium given IV... interesting Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 46762962 United States01/27/2019 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Luckily, an angel warned me about it in my dreams 3 weeks prior so I began a taper. Still the 2 weeks I waited before I could get my meds again was hell and I ruined some relationships with people due to my erratic behavior and not sleeping for 7 days. They tried to kill me. |
| Citizen17 OG GLP...May be habit forming! User ID: 77220092 United States01/27/2019 11:21 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, it's fun and games until as soon as you run out, and then you get to experience something you never imagined. Quoting: DarkHorizonz It should be stated before I start this little thread, that a GLP member was complaining about his Psychiatrist treating him like a drug addict over .5 mg of Xanax, and wanting to switch him over to non-controlled anti-psychotic, which is a considerably low dosage in comparison to what I'm going to address. First of all, I'm going to use some terminology that I've used in my '9/11 was a 100% inside job' threads, like parabolic trajectory. Start getting used to physics nomenclature when I make a thread. Xanax on a chemical level essentially makes a very quick upward parabolic trajectory with a Y-Max that can't even be considered a plateau, considering how quickly the general effects reach the X axis again, which is the reason people who use it are inclined to take more and more of it to obtain the Y-Max effect. (Chasing the dragon) However, it's the metabolic and other long term physiological changes that occur which is what will cause you the problems, but they only set in once you're off the drug. Klonopin on the other hand, graphically speaking does not make this same Parabolic trajectory, it follows the square root function, plateaus, and just keeps going and going. The General half-life of Xanax is about 11.2 hours, meaning it has a full life of 22.4 hours, which is a joke in comparison to Klonopin. Klonopin has a Half-life of 40 hours, and a full life of 80 hours before it truly starts to break down, and the life threatening withdrawals start. Both these drugs kill you in the same way, and the withdrawal symptoms are exactly the same. 1. It starts with Insomia and a lack of appetite 2. Severe aches and pains all over your body 3.Hearing voices and feeling death on the Horizon. and 4. After about 2 1/2 weeks of not being able to sleep or eat, you end up dying of a grand mal seizure. This class of drugs is very interesting, because it kills you once you're off them, not when you're on them. Interesting stuff, and pin worthy for sure. A lot of people are addicted to benzos and don't even know it. There are lots of places where Drs are refusing to prescribe the class of meds. Probably a good thing.   "There's no justice...just us." - Pratchett "The arid torpor of inaction will be our demise." - Prof. Graffin "Don't be afraid to pogo!" - Axxel G. Reese #atwarwithyou |
| Citizen17 OG GLP...May be habit forming! User ID: 77220092 United States01/27/2019 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As well, since someone is going to ask it, any links to data supporting the claims you report? Just curious. I don't need the data, as the real-world effects are pretty obvious in my own experience. "There's no justice...just us." - Pratchett "The arid torpor of inaction will be our demise." - Prof. Graffin "Don't be afraid to pogo!" - Axxel G. Reese #atwarwithyou |
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| Polyethylene pam User ID: 23615726 United States01/27/2019 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Took me 540 days to get off 1 mg lorazepam that I’ve been taking for about 10 yrs. I used a method called titration. It’s the only way you can get slowly off. Very simple once you get used to it. The medication is dissolved in water and then you can lower your dose by 1% . It’s holy hell but staying on the medication is zombie hell. I woke up one morning with a terrible fear, knowing that one day we will not be able to get our meds. People will be going crazy and dying like flies. Last Edited by Electric Ladyland 33 on 01/27/2019 12:28 PM |
| DiMethylTryptamine User ID: 20788273  Canada01/27/2019 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seizures only occur if you’re an idiot and quit cold turkey, or taper way too fast. If you educate yourself about benzo withdrawal, and are smart about tapering, there’s practically zero risk of dying. For people who are addicted and unable to obtain enough pharmaceutical benzos to taper properly, they can purchase ‘research chemical’ benzos legally and cheaply online. Diclazepam is good for tapering; and etizolam is also very popular, but is short-acting like Xanax. Benzo analogues are unscheduled in America, but only etizolam is legal in Canada. Last Edited by Gabriel~ on 01/27/2019 01:19 PM I LOVE GOD AND CHRIST! <3 We’re all in the same game; just different levels Dealing with the same hell; just different devils |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77191084 United States01/27/2019 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | made a topic yesterday about dopamine because i havent felt the same off of benzos and i havent taken them in 3 years and i was on low dosage. the drugs are evil and they mess up your sleep when you take them every day. they should only be used at times of great stress like when you are in a bunker and bombs are going off. stay far away from them. |
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| DarkHorizonz (OP) User ID: 76828061 United States01/27/2019 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've eaten Xanax off and on for fun for over 25 years with zero ill effects. Quoting: rebel_again It's called moderation and a strong mind and not getting hooked on it in the first place. Of course you have, that's why every honest medical doctor warns about a deathly Seizure if you go off cold turkey. What you're also not mentioning, is that you used another substance that interacts with the GABA receptor, to stop the Seizure. The Physiological takeover of your body by Benzos have nothing to do with strong mindedness, it has to do with with a physical addiction that occurs, out of the scope of your choice, or alleged strong will. To put this to the test, how about we put you on 8 mg of Klonopin per day for 1 month, and then cut you off, and still see if you're talking your bullshit, instead of begging for your life. (Yeah, I popped a couple of .25 mg Xanax pills over a weekened of drinking with friends and I was ok) that old gag. To and from the woods he came. Against All Odds. |
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