How Benzodiazepines finally kill you... (And you thought popping pills was all fun and games)

This thread is a warning to all Benzo users, but mainly to those who either just pop them for fun thinking nothing will come of it, or those who have a prescription for an absurdly high amount, like 4 mg - 10 mg per day.

At dosages beyond 4 mg per day, especially of Klonopin and Xanax, you are FUCKED.

The withdrawals are something you won't ever forget, and that's considering that you even survive, which many do not.

As I pointed out earlier though, the Medical Examiner and the state will not state that the Benzodiazepine killed you, but that you just magically had a seizure and died, and nobody knows why and case closed.

The plausible deniability level is extremely high due to the fact that the drug is no longer in your system when it kills you, only residually and via hair testing which they don't do on the majority of dead bodies that come into the morgue.

As I stated, this is just as dangerous as Opioids, but it has an inverse way of killing you in comparison.

Like another poster stated, it doesn't kill you when you take too much, it kills you when you take too little or don't take it at all.

Very few that we know of, if any. This is a very rare and exotic class of drugs with an extremely asymmetrical set of properties.

For those of you who have for whatever reason gotten yourself into a bad way, and are at the beginning or even mid-point stages of the withdrawal symptoms, here are a few tips on how you can at least get a little bit of sleep.

First of all, turn off all the lights, and make sure there's not any type of vent fan nearby going, as this will turn into a residual loop in your head, further exacerbating what you're already going through.

Step 2: Find an AUDIO, not video, that deals with some subject matter that you're interested in, like WW2 History, or some other historical/technical matter. An Audio with two people talking to each other is much better for this than a single person going on a monologue.

Step 3: Focus on the content of the audio while letting your body rest and attempting to sleep. Eventually, your mind will do an interesting trick, of putting you to sleep for at least two hours while it subconsciously listens to what you put on.

This is how you can get at least 2 hours of sleep.


You can try beer and weed and other stuff all day, it still won't help you with getting to sleep, or regaining your appetite.

What I described will not be a restful or peaceful sleep though, and you can only do this for so long, until you begin to completely break down.

This, like other techniques, only buys you time until you either sink or swim.

Survive or Die, and Withdrawal from very high dosages means you're probably going to die.

You just admitted that you have no medical license or formal education in pharmacology. Giving medical advice leaves you libel for civil and potentially criminal charges if someone is harmed by taking your advice.

When/If you start getting tremors along with everything else described, as well as a complete dissociation from reality, you have a very limited amount of time to get to the hospital before you end up having the dreaded Seizure that WILL KILL YOU without medical intervention.

The medical intervention that this entails is very unpleasant too, they stick a tube down your throat to regulate your breathing and make sure you don't choke and die on the foam and other fluids that begin to emit from your mouth during the last stages before you die.

There's been cases of people losing full control of their bodies, and slamming themselves against a wall so hard that it broke multiple bones in their body. This person as well, died.

No other class of drugs is like this.

Why do you keep posting about this subject? They are a class of pharmacological medicines that serve a purpose. One being anticonvulsants. Most people that have them, have enough of them, to taper off.

They only kill you if you take them irresponsibly and on very large doses.

No one should need more than 1mg, 2mg is high. 4mg is sometimes prescribed (way too much), and 8-10mg will kill you (what doctor would ever prescribe that much?

Now, please stfu and go away. All drugs have pharmacological effects.

If you are trying to help people, you are not. I tried 20 medications ($250/trip to doctor + prescriptions) before I figured out anticonvulsants helped, then started using Klonopin as an anticonvulsant that didn't cause any pain.

THEY ARE VERY HELPFUL TO ALOT OF PEOPLE!

If your that afraid of death, just quit drinking water...

I have an extensive education in Pharmacology and Physics, just no Medical License, nor would I want one.

As far as advice, what advice have I given that is worthy of a lawsuit? warnings about a drug that can kill you isn't medical advice.

Everything else has just been SUGGESTIONS with the intent of helping. Read the entire thread all the way through before you make a statement like this. I've recommended no drugs, nor any medical procedures to mitigate the untimely death of the Benzo addict going through Withdrawals that persist, and only get worse.

Try again.

Let me guess, Seroquel?

See the disclaimer on GLP: Do not believe a word on this site.

Anyone who takes medical advice from strangers on the net is a moron.

You'd be surprised at the amount of doctors that will put a 'patient' on 6 mg to 10 mg of Xanax or Klonopin.

It has properties that can help for your specific needs, but keep in mind that these are also drugs administered for PTSD and Anxiety, not just convulsion activity in an individual. Funny too, how these drugs themselves will cause convulsions when you stop taking them.

An anti-seizure medication that produces seizures. That old gag.

No Medical Advice has been given, only suggestions, implications, and facts concerning what these drugs do to you, and how they kill you.

You're not going to get me on a lawsuit, and I stated very clearly that I'm not a doctor, nor would I want to be. In reality, I'm not patient or friendly enough to be a doctor.

My Scientific training deals more in taking your life, not saving it.

So, what your really doing is telling people with anxiety that these drugs will kill you. So does everything....including not drinking water.

Get hydrated, man!

If "Cannabis Kills People" can make threads day and night conjecturing about the dangers of Marijuana and one of its active ingredients THC, than I am certainly free to make a few threads on Benzodiazepines, and the dangers of this class of drugs.

If there's a problem, let me know, but that would be hypocrisy don't you think? This person has free reign to make those posts day and night.

What is it that bothers some of you about warning others about the dangers of this class of drugs? what concerns you exactly about that?

Is it not concerning that Stephen Paddock shot almost 1000 people and was on a Benzo that doesn't even compare to the most potent of them, unless a lot is taken at once, which is likely what he did.

He was at total ease, with absolutely no mercy when he shot all of those people, and we know for a fact that he was on Valium, which is a 'weaker' Benzo, compared to Xanax or Clonazepam (Klonopin).

There's a problem with this class of drugs, and we're going to find out what it is.

What I'm telling you is what I've told you.

Where does Ativan fall in the order of bad to worse forms of benzos? You've said Klonopin is the worst. How does Lorazepam compare to that one, Valium, and Xanax?

what can you tell us about drug interactions between a benzo like Valium, an SSRI like Zyprexa, plus a sleep aid like Ambien?

Do Ambien and Zyprexa have any severe withdrawal warnings?

I knew a lady taking all three plus prozac AND ritalin.

She had a grand mal seizure with temporary paralysis and later six petite mal or absence seizures and rapid heart rate SVT which led to her having to take a beta blocker!

Neurologists did sleep EEGs and she passed, diagnosed with non-epileptic seizure disorder.

Why didn't the neurologist and cardiologist simply tell her to taper off the psych meds?

The drug interaction between a Benzodiazepine, an Atypical Anti-Psychotic like Zyprexa which puts you out cold for 12 hours after taking it, also known as Olanzapine, Ambien (Another sedative with properties similar to Benzos) and then also mixing in RITALIN, is absolutely fucking insane, if that is what you are saying. It's like a Heroin/Cocaine speedball cocktail.

We're talking about multiple sedatives, an anti-psychotic, and then a simultaneous stimulant.

Correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding here.

Last Edited by DarkHorizonz on 01/28/2019 06:29 AM

Here's a very interesting comment from an article titled "Klonopin: America's most dangerous drug."

From a Mr. Jay Conklin. His story goes ->

" I tried to get off my Clonazepam by myself and a week without it I was fine the 6th day I shit u not I was talking to mom cooking and 10 minutes later I woke up to ppl all around me crying and ambulance helping me so everyone thought I overdosed not knowing I been off all my meds as I said results at hospital proved I was off everything clean had all head tests done I'm fine but what about killed me is the withdrawal 6days later scary as shit"

Clanazepam is Klonopin, this is a very eye opening confession that occurred to Mr. Conklin, and it was good of him to share his story. His life almost ended from exactly what I've been describing.

The dead don't speak, at least not via normal channels. Always remember that. People who have died in this manner, aren't going to come back from the grave and warn you about what happened to them, and how it might happen to you. Only us living fleshly beings can do that.

Start getting a clue.

Last Edited by DarkHorizonz on 01/28/2019 06:49 AM

Here's another interesting story from w-bad.org, a site concerning all the odd and unique deaths from people who went off Benzodiazepines cold turkey. I've chosen this particular story specifically because it addresses the situation of the man who hurled himself against a wall so hard he broke his own bones, which I mentioned earlier.

John Patrick Walter

"John Patrick Walter was allowed to slowly and painfully expire from a benzodiazepine cold-turkey withdrawal in Fremont County jail. He had not been formally charged with a crime but was taken into custody after an altercation with an acquaintance. He could not afford to pay his bond and died in jail on April 20, 2014. His family filed a lawsuit which contends that he died of withdrawal from KLONOPIN after 18 days of suffering. On multiple occasions, Walter was strapped into a restraint chair, where he was tased and pepper-sprayed over his histrionics. But he did even greater damage to himself, kicking and hurling himself against walls with such force that it is believed he broke several bones. Walter weighed 200 pounds at the time of his incarceration and, due to the withdrawal he endured, had lost between 30 and 50 pounds during his 18-day stay in Fremont County jail.

This man died brutally and painfully. Use this as a a great example of how you DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS PLANET.

As always, I'm here to WARN people and Inform people.

Remember too, that even if you have a legal script, if you go to Jail for anything at all, you'll be receiving absolutely none of your medication, and the prison guards will gladly watch you suffer and die.

There are stories of other people on the site mentioned, who were put in jail for minor traffic offenses, unable to pay bond, completely cut off from their medication and died usually between 12 to 18 days later.

John Patrick Walter was a trooper, he took the pain for as long as he could. 18 days was a long time compared to the 6 days it took for Mr.Concklin to nearly die, who was not incarcerated, and was surrounded by friends and family.

This question as been reassessed and responded to appropriately below.

Last Edited by DarkHorizonz on 01/28/2019 07:42 AM

Ativan is still very serious, and as a GLP member stated, they had to undergo a liquid taper process for them to get their life and physiology back to normal. (Lorazepam is the more technical name for Ativan)

In comparison to Valium, I would say that Ativan is the weaker of the two.

Xanax and Klonopin are some of the very most potent though, and they really will end your life in short order. Unlike the fast acting Benzos, which both Ativan, Xanax and Valium are, Klonopin takes time to build up in your system, and then plateaus the effect for longer than any of the other drugs are capable of doing. We're not talking .5 mg dosages per day though, we're talking very high dosages that most doctors won't prescribe, aside from to PTSD suffering Combat Veterans, and other types of psychological trauma victims.

Read the confessional I posted concerning Mr. Concklin and the story about John Patrick Walter's absolutely brutal death. It only took Mr. Concklin 6 days of Withdrawal from Klonopin to nearly die, and he would have, had he not been with family and friends who got an Ambulance to him in time. That's not a bullshit confessional, and this Mr. Concklin individual went on record with his story, which was honest and brave of him.

Last Edited by DarkHorizonz on 01/28/2019 07:39 AM

I had originally addressed 73398970's question with a misunderstanding of Lorazepam and Diazepam, concerning Ativan and Valium. I cleared it all up now, and answered the question sufficiently and accurately.

Last Edited by DarkHorizonz on 01/28/2019 07:47 AM

Those who take Benzos to chase a 'high' are only chasing Ghosts. Before you know it, all Euphoria will be gone, and all that will be left is a physical dependence that you wish you never obtained.

In reality, it's a Nerve Tranquilizer that also causes severe alterations to the brain, and your overall physiological functionality.

Mr. Walters was said to lose 30-50 pounds during his 18 days of Klonopin withdrawal, before he finally died in excruciating agony.

This alone is proof that during Benzo Withdrawal your appetite really does vanish, and I guarantee you that he didn't sleep a wink either, right up until he died.

I agree, which is why I always consult with my sister before taking any new prescribed medications. She is an RN floor manager and very knowledgeable with pharmacology. I take Lisinopril (ACE inhibitor) with HCTZ (diuretic) for my high blood pressure. She discovered a prescription that another doctor had prescribed me interacts with ACE inhibitors and not to take it. I also found out Lisinopril could cause hair loss. Which explains why my hair started thinning out about a year after starting the Lisinopril.

That amount of weight loss in just 18 days is absolutely INSANE, but considering that the Atypical Anti-Psychotic Olanzapine will make you gain 50 pounds in nearly the same amount of time, I don't doubt that the inverse is possible from other chemical phenomena, especially that which occurs in the body during out of control Withdrawal Symptoms only comparable to Opioid Withdrawal.

No Medical Advice has been given, only warnings and suggestions.

I'm glad that you have someone near and dear that can advise you on your conditions, and the medications that you use to treat them.

Glad I never got into them. Many people I know take them though, unfortunately.

I have a friend who claims he is only taking either .25 or .5mg xanax a night for sleep but he has been doing this for YEARS! I told him he is a fool and needs to come off it but he won't. And I would not be surprised at all if he was taking it throughout the day too but just won't admit it.

I'd rather get 4-5 hours of natural sleep a night then get a full 8 hours on a drug like xanax! Even tho I have taken it, the after effects of just a small dose are terrible and I rarely take it at all....like once a year and only if I have MAJOR insomnia.