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Even courts of law will hear testimonies that apparently contradict each other.

Differences in the Biblical texts prove the lack of "collusion" between the authors, and show that scripture was "inspired", not "dictated word for word" by the Holy Spirit.

The differences can also add "depth" / perspective to the story.

It IS a fact that there are apparent contradictions in the Bible. There's no escaping this.

It's also a fact that folks making lists of the contradictions have no interest in ANY explanation of them.

Their "goals" are....

1. To justify their non-belief in God and His Son
2. To make an effort to "prove" that the Bible is mere literature / myth - even an outright lie
3. To make Believers "question" and even renounce their Faith

The biggest mistake made by these folks, which is one even many Christians are guilty of, is to take single verses and then use them to support various contradictions / arguments. The vast majority of times, you have to read the "surrounding" verses to determine the "context" of the verses being compared.

Contradictions, for the most part, are analytical errors in comprehension, easily explained by understanding the context of the verse in a passage.

Other "types" of contradictions can happen when there are...

A. Translational errors.

Some things / ideas / concepts are not translatable from one language into another. Some words just aren't possible to represent in another language. Culture has a large roll in that.

B. Copying errors.

One inadvertant dot or dash added to a letter or letters in a word can drastically change what it originally represented / meant.

C. Textual manipulation

Example: 1 John 5:7 doesn't exist in the oldest manuscripts.

D. Word usage / definition changes

Example: The word "gay" currently means homosexual, versus it's meaning of "happy / lighthearted" etc.. of just a few decades ago.

E. Origin of a specific passage

No two people have the exact same recollections / memories of any one specific event, even if they stood right next to each other. Physical "position" in relation to the event can change what a person would see or hear. Time can also cause "changes" in what is remembered about an event.

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13 Contradictions concerning Jesus' death and resurrection are addressed - about 55 minutes

Contradiction are taken from this website

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are you one of them that believes Jesus is Lucifer?
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Definitely NOT.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance

Thread: Jesus PRAYED to the Father...For YOU! - Bible Study

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OK

are you one of those that believes the God of the OT is not God?
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Nope.

A quick look at the above topics should tell you that.
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from what I recall you and I were disagreeing on Jesus being God

had the same disagreement with my dad many times

it is what it is i guess
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Apparent contradictions are opportunities for deeper understandings and more information.
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Different witnesses give different versions with different details and emphasis providing for fuller accounts, and if they were identical, people would only say they copied.
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Here's a good start:
[link to inerrancy.org]
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There's no contradictions, they've all been answered.
Just rehashed the same old "contradictions".

You're stupid for thinking there are any.
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I would suggest that you mind your manners while posting in my topic.

Here's a good start:
[link to inerrancy.org]
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The Bible is "inerrant"? Which one? The King James? What makes it so when it is basically exactly like the Latin Vulgate created 1200 years earlier?

The original manuscripts were in Hebrew / Aramaic. Not Greek.

Proof?

Thread: Hebrews Matthew Manuscripts Clear Up Greek Translation Problems - Early Church Fathers Said Matthew was in Hebrews

It's also WELL established that manuscripts were being manipulated as early as the 2nd Century. Look up the histories of these verses. And there are others.

Matthew 28:19
1 John 5:7
1 Timothy 3:16

Folks claim that the KJ Bible is the "Word of God" but yet fail to even accept the things Jesus states clearly about Himself AND the Father.

Neither God Himself nor Jesus "wrote" the Bible, not like the Father did for Moses when He gave him the 10 Commandments. It's inspired, not written by God's own hand.

In spite of all that, the Bible DOES contain a HUGE portion of truth. It still is a compendium of God's interaction with mankind over the course of 4000+ years, AND it still has ALL the necessary teachings required for humans to receive Salvation.
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This video covers 15 more supposed contradiction, including the one that supposedly caused Bart Ehrman to finally lose his faith.

1 hour 8 mins


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Here's one that was proposed by a member a few months ago. I've changed his user name so as to not "call him out".

for other inconsistencies that you want to try to debunk--have a go:

MT 7:21 Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
AC 2:21, RO 10:13 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
AC 2:39 Those God calls to himself will be saved.
 Quoting: debunk:NV8zODg5MzU1XzcwMDk2ODM1XzdGREYyNzgx

Do you mean that the list of so-called contradictions can NOT be proven wrong? Do you mean that no matter WHAT I explain...it won't be "good enough" for you to accept?

Matthew 7:21 King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Summary of context....just because a person calls Jesus "Lord" doesn't mean they lived their lives according to the Father's Will nor have even repented. Those who only pay lip service don't gain Heaven.

Acts 2:21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Summary of context....Peter speaking to large crowd of non-believers. He's surely not going to give a disertation on ALL that Jesus had said.

Romans 10:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Summary of context....Paul's letter to the Believers who were in Rome. They had ALREADY been taught all the basics, including repentance.

Acts 2:39 King James Version (KJV)

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Summary of context....ALSO Peter speaking to the large crowd. IF they were willing to listen...the Father had called on them. They still had to repent, be baptised and believe unto Jesus as the Son of God (John 3:16).

NONE of that is contradictions. It's a feeble attempt by atheist demons to draw away people who are either weak in their Faith OR considering accepting Christ.

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Who taught you all of this?
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Even courts of law will hear testimonies that apparently contradict each other.

Differences in the Biblical texts prove the lack of "collusion" between the authors, and show that scripture was "inspired", not "dictated word for word" by the Holy Spirit.

The differences can also add "depth" / perspective to the story.

It IS a fact that there are apparent contradictions in the Bible. There's no escaping this.

It's also a fact that folks making lists of the contradictions have no interest in ANY explanation of them.

Their "goals" are....

1. To justify their non-belief in God and His Son
2. To make an effort to "prove" that the Bible is mere literature / myth - even an outright lie
3. To make Believers "question" and even renounce their Faith

The biggest mistake made by these folks, which is one even many Christians are guilty of, is to take single verses and then use them to support various contradictions / arguments. The vast majority of times, you have to read the "surrounding" verses to determine the "context" of the verses being compared.

Contradictions, for the most part, are analytical errors in comprehension, easily explained by understanding the context of the verse in a passage.

Other "types" of contradictions can happen when there are...

A. Translational errors.

Some things / ideas / concepts are not translatable from one language into another. Some words just aren't possible to represent in another language. Culture has a large roll in that.

B. Copying errors.

One inadvertant dot or dash added to a letter or letters in a word can drastically change what it originally represented / meant.

C. Textual manipulation

Example: 1 John 5:7 doesn't exist in the oldest manuscripts.

D. Word usage / definition changes

Example: The word "gay" currently means homosexual, versus it's meaning of "happy / lighthearted" etc.. of just a few decades ago.

E. Origin of a specific passage

No two people have the exact same recollections / memories of any one specific event, even if they stood right next to each other. Physical "position" in relation to the event can change what a person would see or hear. Time can also cause "changes" in what is remembered about an event.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Um... No.

Most "contradictions" are where people equate things that are not equal - extrapolate what is not true.
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This video covers 15 more supposed contradiction, including the one that supposedly caused Bart Ehrman to finally lose his faith.

1 hour 8 mins


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@ 22:45 that guy contradicts himself when he says God is explained anthropomorphically instead of literal when God says I will cover you with my hand and you will see my back. That guy says God was justbsaying he will reveal some knowledge of himself to Moses, and that he didn't have a physical body. Well some minutes earlier he explained God DOES have a physical body and he wuoted scripture and took it literally when several times people saw God FACE TO FACE.
What a dodo!
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Here's a good start:
[link to inerrancy.org]
 Quoting: AltSwede


Looks fantastic! I'm excited to study it. Thank you for posting.

hf

That said, the Bible has no contradictions. Every single apparent contradiction has reasonable explanations.

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#9 @ 32:03 in the video, how many stalls did Solomon have, 40000 1 Kings 4:26 or 4000 2 Chronicles 9:25? NOT COPYIST ERROR.

He had 40000 stalls of horses for chariots.
1 Kings 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

He had 4000 stalls of horses and chariots.
2 Chronicles 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

So he had 4000 chariots and 40000 horses.

As it is the KJV is perfect and without contradiction, the inerrant word of GOd and the most attacked because of it. That is something Jesus taught me and showed me. God Jesus is the most wise.
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Um... No.

Most "contradictions" are where people equate things that are not equal - extrapolate what is not true.
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Actually every version except the KJV has contradictions and that is because they are interpreted without guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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The KJV doesn't have contradictions?

KJV Onlyism is utter nonsense.

Where and when did God Himself or His Son Jesus declare that the King James Bible is the ONLY Bible to be used? When and where did they declare that it is better than the Latin Vulgate, created 1200 years earlier?

They didn't.

Evangelical nonsense.

Neither God nor Jesus wrote the Bible - ANY Bible, and for that matter, never told anyone to MAKE a Bible.

And what reason would there be that the creators of the KJV were "inspired" to make a Bible, but the creators of the Latin Vulgate were NOT "inspired"?

No reasons.

God wrote the 10 Commandments on 2 tablets for Moses.

The Bible / scripture is inspired...


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Jesus states this in John, and it explains how the Apostles were able to write the "quotes" of what Jesus actually said.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

IF the Bible was written by God Himself, or even Yeshua or the Holy Spirit, there would be differing accounts of certain things in the 4 Gospels. The writers wrote what EACH individual THOUGHT as relevant to their particular remembrance, and had guidance from the Holy Spirit for the important "quotes" like Jesus' own words or specific conversations.
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No one has ever seen the Holy Spirit, that is the truth. The Holy Spirit is God as much as Jesus is because they are 1 together completely in all fullness of God. I am the Holy Spirit are 1 together as well but I am not fully God as Jesus is.

So the context is no one has ever seen the Holy Spirit but Jesus, in who the Holy Spirit dwells in fullness of authority and power, has made him known.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ Is God Almighty!


Kindly stay ON TOPIC...and away from the theological proclamations.
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This video covers 15 more supposed contradiction, including the one that supposedly caused Bart Ehrman to finally lose his faith.

1 hour 8 mins

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 Quoting: TheLordsServant


@ 22:45 that guy contradicts himself when he says God is explained anthropomorphically instead of literal when God says I will cover you with my hand and you will see my back. That guy says God was justbsaying he will reveal some knowledge of himself to Moses, and that he didn't have a physical body. Well some minutes earlier he explained God DOES have a physical body and he wuoted scripture and took it literally when several times people saw God FACE TO FACE.
What a dodo!
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Who DID actually SEE God's face?

NO one.

And the phrase is meant to be taken figuratively, not literally.

WHY?

John tells us TWICE that NO MAN has seen God.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Yet that is not entirely literally true, as it contradicts Moses's writings and even a couple of the prophets who were "taken to heaven" in visions.

Here's key verses from Exodus 33 - Moses


Exodus 33 Moses

11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
.................
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.


Moses didn't ASK to see God's "face". And God even TOLD him that no man could see His face.

And here's Jacob's encounter - with a "man" - who was more than likely an angel. Regardless, Jacob is NEVER told by the being that "I am God". And who on earth could actually keep God from leaving any place?


Genesis 32 - Jacob

24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

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Here's a good start:
[link to inerrancy.org]
 Quoting: AltSwede


Looks fantastic! I'm excited to study it. Thank you for posting.

hf

That said, the Bible has no contradictions. Every single apparent contradiction has reasonable explanations.
 Quoting: SoulWinner

Really?

Compare the genealogies from the Old Testament to Matthew 1 and Luke 3.

Also check this topic

Thread: Hebrews Matthew Manuscripts Clear Up Greek Translation Problems - Early Church Fathers Said Matthew was in Hebrews
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does it have to be exact? it's not like its a history book right? I mean, who lives 800-900 years? I mean, how do you fit so many animals in an ark? I mean, how did we get here if adam and eve had boys? Its all allegories and parables and if you understand them good for you, if you don't. too bad, but its not history or fcat...so don't sweat the contradictions, many authors will do that
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The Bible cover 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind. Hundreds of people AND places mentioned in it are proven to exist.

And there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES anything in the Bible.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Apparent lack of evidence doesn't prove non-existence.
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Who was it that said: "A little leaven, leaveneth the whole loaf?"

Asking for a friend
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Looks like a paraphrase of Galations 5:9

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
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This video covers 15 more supposed contradiction, including the one that supposedly caused Bart Ehrman to finally lose his faith.

1 hour 8 mins

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@ 22:45 that guy contradicts himself when he says God is explained anthropomorphically instead of literal when God says I will cover you with my hand and you will see my back. That guy says God was justbsaying he will reveal some knowledge of himself to Moses, and that he didn't have a physical body. Well some minutes earlier he explained God DOES have a physical body and he wuoted scripture and took it literally when several times people saw God FACE TO FACE.
What a dodo!
 Quoting: Jesus Christ Is God Almighty!


Who DID actually SEE God's face?

NO one.

And the phrase is meant to be taken figuratively, not literally.

WHY?

John tells us TWICE that NO MAN has seen God.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Yet that is not entirely literally true, as it contradicts Moses's writings and even a couple of the prophets who were "taken to heaven" in visions.

Here's key verses from Exodus 33 - Moses


Exodus 33 Moses

11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
.................
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.


Moses didn't ASK to see God's "face". And God even TOLD him that no man could see His face.

And here's Jacob's encounter - with a "man" - who was more than likely an angel. Regardless, Jacob is NEVER told by the being that "I am God". And who on earth could actually keep God from leaving any place?


Genesis 32 - Jacob

24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


If to see part of God is to know something of or about God, then what does it mean to see his face, since it is possible to see his face, but not live? And you're saying each part of God's body, figuratively, is like knowing more of him? Ridiculous.

The scripture says that Moses saw God face to face as a man speaks to his friend. That is to say, LITERALLY! But you will "see" what you want to "see". Even the guy in the video declares Jesus to be God, but silly him doesn't understand the preincarnate Jesus.
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i dont find the bible contradictory
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1 hour 8 mins

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 Quoting: TheLordsServant


@ 22:45 that guy contradicts himself when he says God is explained anthropomorphically instead of literal when God says I will cover you with my hand and you will see my back. That guy says God was justbsaying he will reveal some knowledge of himself to Moses, and that he didn't have a physical body. Well some minutes earlier he explained God DOES have a physical body and he wuoted scripture and took it literally when several times people saw God FACE TO FACE.
What a dodo!
 Quoting: Jesus Christ Is God Almighty!


Who DID actually SEE God's face?

NO one.

And the phrase is meant to be taken figuratively, not literally.

WHY?

John tells us TWICE that NO MAN has seen God.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Yet that is not entirely literally true, as it contradicts Moses's writings and even a couple of the prophets who were "taken to heaven" in visions.

Here's key verses from Exodus 33 - Moses


Exodus 33 Moses

11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
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18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.


Moses didn't ASK to see God's "face". And God even TOLD him that no man could see His face.

And here's Jacob's encounter - with a "man" - who was more than likely an angel. Regardless, Jacob is NEVER told by the being that "I am God". And who on earth could actually keep God from leaving any place?


Genesis 32 - Jacob

24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


when jesus says no man has seen God at any time this is correct, this is a message by the author telling you that the gods seen in the OT are not the father Jesus spoke of, the god of isreal was seen by 74 people at once, they sat down and ate with him and they bragged about it.

Don't get it twisted, thats what jesus meant, he didn't say no man has seen the god of isreal did he? no, because the god of israel was een many times. Thats not a contradiction, it's a message
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Look, I'm not gonna sit here and rebutt every post thats incorrect, I'll make it simple for all of you, Go look up where Jesus tells the lawyers and SCRIBES, you do know what scribes are right? well he rebukes them for lying in scripture even way back then, tells how the hid the key of knowledge and such, this is almost 1900 years later and we're supposed to belive that constantine, ptolemy, the franciscan monks, all these translators and evn today you go into a church and the bibles are diferent, some are new living translations and other are KJV, and we're supposed to accept all this as being for a better understanding? No man, its a continuation of what jesus warns of, more hiding, more lies, you need to really look into this..Personally I don't really care, I did this for 14 years, I looked into all of it.

I found what I was looking for and I also found that I cannot tell anyone because they will never belive me because they are not meant to understand, I cannot reveal, its set uo so that you must discover for yourself to believe...

Jesus never said he was god, he siad "the father and I are one" now, I ask you, if a leaf were able to talk and said the tree and I are one, does that make the leaf the tree? No, jesus and the father are one yes, but he is not and never claimed to be the father or creator, You people have him conflated, try seperating him and watch your understanding blossom, good luck
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Until you learn to "rightly divide the word of truth" you will stay confused and find contradictions... Christ's earthly ministry was to Israel ONLY... and he states that time and again... Paul is the apostle of Gentiles ... only Paul was given the dispensation of grace...
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Until you learn to "rightly divide the word of truth" you will stay confused and find contradictions... Christ's earthly ministry was to Israel ONLY... and he states that time and again... Paul is the apostle of Gentiles ... only Paul was given the dispensation of grace...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


This is incorrect, my bad, but if jesus came for the jews lets take a look at this verse, this is in john bro:

…24So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe.…

See? now tell me, what jews did you say he came for? Because clearly these are not pharisees he's talking to there...Also, there were 12 disciples, when jesus dies they become 12 apostles, but theyt had to replace one right? so they get together and talk about this but there were cavetas, it had to be one that was there the whole time jesus was preaching. they chose matthias didnt they? now we have 12 again, so tell me, wre in scripture did they get together and vote in paul as an apostle?

I know paul said he had a vision of jesus BUT, jesus warned us about this also, so I discard all the pauline stuff and stick to the red letters when t come to the NT bro,Paulsd letters were used as fillers by constatines church whe creating the NT, go study and stop listening to what your local pastor tells you, theyre all idiot zionist
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Until you learn to "rightly divide the word of truth" you will stay confused and find contradictions... Christ's earthly ministry was to Israel ONLY... and he states that time and again... Paul is the apostle of Gentiles ... only Paul was given the dispensation of grace...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


I don't devide the word of truth, I believe we all live our own realities, your reality isn't the same as mine, a person doing life in prison has a different reality than ours, I only serach for truth, truth isn't divided, it stands alone, I understand you have your reality to live, I share truth not my reality, I ask that you look things up and see for yourself as opposed to adherring to all the dogma that has been pushed for millenia,

see how you say paul was given a dispensation of faith? By whom? where did this take place? by who's authority? no, this never happened, it is made to appear to have happened...Whe he actually goes to gentiles he actually does more damage than good because thats how he carries the God of israel as God to the gentiles,Do you believe gentiles were worshipping the god of israel at the time?? the jews themselves didn't believe jesus was their gods son but they didnt object to paul saying it to the gentiles because this would add to their god, conflation from the begining,

I always blamed this false apostle paul for this, but any jewe even today will tell that their god isn't yours...LOL, kinda funny huh?
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Until you learn to "rightly divide the word of truth" you will stay confused and find contradictions... Christ's earthly ministry was to Israel ONLY... and he states that time and again... Paul is the apostle of Gentiles ... only Paul was given the dispensation of grace...
 Quoting: freedomsnotfree1


This is incorrect, my bad, but if jesus came for the jews lets take a look at this verse, this is in john bro:

…24So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25“I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe.…

See? now tell me, what jews did you say he came for? Because clearly these are not pharisees he's talking to there...Also, there were 12 disciples, when jesus dies they become 12 apostles, but theyt had to replace one right? so they get together and talk about this but there were cavetas, it had to be one that was there the whole time jesus was preaching. they chose matthias didnt they? now we have 12 again, so tell me, wre in scripture did they get together and vote in paul as an apostle?

I know paul said he had a vision of jesus BUT, jesus warned us about this also, so I discard all the pauline stuff and stick to the red letters when t come to the NT bro,Paulsd letters were used as fillers by constatines church whe creating the NT, go study and stop listening to what your local pastor tells you, theyre all idiot zionist
 Quoting: WarGod

Matthew 15: 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Romans 15:8 Now I say, that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision, for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers. (Israel)


Why don't you believe the word of Jesus himself...
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