Bible Study - Biblical Contradictions Do Not Invalidate the Narrative

Ephesians 3:2 For this cause, I Paul am the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles. If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God, which is given me to youward,

But as you say... you don't divide the word of truth...which we are called to do for understanding... hence your belief in your own reality...

lost sheep of israel is not "israel only" and remember he spoke in parables, and in romans there you got a little liberal and quote paul

Yet Jesus denied NO ONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

He ALSO told the Apostles to "teach the gospel throughout the world".

You folks know the verses.

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IF you folks actually read the last half of Acts you will see that Paul went into nope synagogues in his travels. Even in ROME.

Verses to prove my point about synagogues.

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Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19

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If you don't believe in God, His Son Jesus and the Bible then WHY are you commenting in my topics?

ephesians is paul writing man!!! How you he gonna witness himself??? Please, Paul was an asshole period, a murderer, do you notice how his profile fits more into a yawist mold than a jesus mold? yawist mold being david the adulterer murdere, moses the murderer, yawist warriors, as opposed to fishermen and such which are the people jesus actually chose...Perhaps I should post the following verses is john 24...LOL, there are called, and there elect, you believe that jesus came to lead to lost sheep of israel back to yahweh then? LMAO ok man, we can agree to disagree but I am not Jacob and so I worship El Elyon not yahweh,

which is what I learned from Jesus, Why does jesus never say yahwehs name? the tetragrammatton does not appear in the original greek text. The bible has many contradictions, this is fact...It is not pure, a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump means that a cup of piss will mess up a whole bucket of drinking water, you can drink it but its not all water bruh, In fact I don't even know if this is a priority issue being that the entire story is fantastic to start ith, the question should be which parts are real...It don't look good from a historical perspective and then you have all this mystical stuff...But taking it all into account, we have to be really narrow minded to believ its a perfectly written book and as I said the narrative is ridiculous to say the least

No... he isn't speaking in a parable... he came to establish the priesthood...under the law...

Exodus 29:9 and fasten caps on them. Then tie sashes on Aaron and his sons. The priesthood is theirs by a lasting ordinance.

Exodus 40:15 Anoint them just as you anointed their father, so they may serve me as priests. Their anointing will be to a priesthood that will continue throughout their generations.”

Numbers 25:13 He and his descendants will have a covenant of a lasting priesthood, because he was zealous for the honor of his God and made atonement for the Israelites.”

Luke 1:9 he was chosen by lot, aaccording to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense.

1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.


Israel rejected the Christ and the priesthood... and the gospel of grace came into the world through Paul...

3 If the Gospel be then hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds, that is, of the infidels, that the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, which is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

The word of GOD says you have been blinded and are lost...

why were the people in Jerusalem not called Christians... the first Christians were in Pauls church...

"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch: and it came to pass that a whole year they were conversant with the Church, and taught much people, insomuch that the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."

This was AT LEAST 10 years AFTER the Crucifixion... what were Peter and the 11 preaching during that time?... it wasn't the gospel of Grace... THAT was one of the mysteries, and completely unknown to the 12... it was only given to Paul..

When Jesus said his message was to Israel only, why don't you believe him?
When the Holy Spirit tells us, through Paul, that Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles, why don't you believe it?

Paul Paul Paul

Do you follow Paul...or Jesus and the Father?

Grace is the RESULT of forgiveness.

Forgiveness that is brought about by REPENTANCE.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance

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John:20 and Acts:2 cover the two conditions that had to be in place before the 4 Gospels could be written. One was a perfect recollection of what Jesus said, the other was they could write it out in perfect Greek as early as the end of the 40 days Jesus was with them after His resurrection. The last book was written down by 100AD.
The translators of the 1611KJV used that Greet NT and they would be 'professionals' so the translation was perfect. That Bible has a copyright so any other English Bible has to alter the text considerably, that alone makes all of them flawed.
That Bible also uses the Hebrew OT and the translation was verified by Jews in Jerusalem. With the Torah being an oral book if any errors exist it would be when that was translated from oral to written on Babylon. I'm willing to believe that Daniel and his 3 friends were the Scribes used and all the books are as perfect as they were when God originally dictated them.


Doctrine cannot be based in a single verse or even a single passage. To understand the term 'day of the lord' you have to consider about 24 passages and let them define what the term means and what it does not.
'Land of the enemy' in prophecy has a certain meaning and is misused more often than not.

M't:2:16-18:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
M't:2:16-18:
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
Jer:31:15-17:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.
Eze:39:27-28:
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.

That is different from being scattered into the Nations.


The Gospel of Matthew was written by the Apostle Peter, The Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of Luke were written the the brothers James and John. The Gospel of John was written by the Beloved Disciple of John the Baptist, aka Mary of Bethany. She also wrote Revelations so she alone hot the complete version of what the Bible meant. She was given the knowledge that was kept from Daniel.
All the word errors can be overcome by using one Bible only and taking context from the passage rather than overworking the verse. This example shows that two prophecies are what holds backs their gathering, the throne one can only take place when the two witnesses are in the grave.

2Th:2:1-6:
Now we beseech you,
brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
or be troubled,
neither by spirit,
nor by word,
nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
Remember ye not,
that,
when I was yet with you,
I told you these things?
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.


God uses short sentences because a child has a better chance at understanding what is being said. Any questions about what these ones are saying.

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isa:55:11:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.

The 4 Gospels were written shortly after the resurrection and they had the same holy spirit helping them that all 40 Scribes had.
If the Churches cannot admit the beloved Disciple was a woman they should put the book down and walk away.

Ge:3:15 is the two bruises, Re:12 is an expansion on that verse alone. The group in Re:1 would be somebody from our generation and we have the ability to understand the whole book as being a single work and using the thinking we do today. That would include accepting the old earth creation theory which puts the end of say1 at 4M years ago.

I have lots of examples including the two just mentioned.

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GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

((The sun was the source of the light that created the first day/night cycle on earth. Time was created on day4 and the sun and moon were given names. The old earth theory has the end of day1 being 4BYA and the end of day4 was 4MYA. Science today would promote the day was much shorter that long ago yet it has not changed in the last 4MY that can be measured by observation.))

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

((Ge:1 covers the planet called Eden and Ge:2 covers the garden area only as it was left without water so it was always barren. Ge:1 is God's witness of creation starting at the beginning of day1, Ge:2 is the witness of the Holy Spirit and it is through the eyes of Adam and it only covers the 6th day. Old earth has it being 4BYA and 400,000BC respectively.))

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

((Birds are the highest form of life in a forest, they were not mentioned when forests were because trees and plants were the important part, birds were mentioned later when they were many millions of them))

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

((animals began outside the garden at the same time the garden first got rain. By the time it was ready for animals God brought them in from outside the garden area to be named. It is quite possible that the same ones were the one taken into the Ark, no verses for that theory))

GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.

((Dominion means building pastures so none would ever die of hunger. Flesh was created as eternal beings, you have to eat food to stay alive. In the new earth we will be flesh that does not have to eat to remain alive, the other flesh will still need to eat as they are still eternal beings, immortal but lacking the knowledge of good and evil. New earth era))

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

((Adam was created at the beginning of day6 as the first act, Eve was created as the last act of that same day. Re:20:4-5 do the same thing. The ones in verse:4 are gathered at the very beginning of the 1,000 year reign and 'the rest' gathered as the last act of that same era on the next verse. Many Saints were resurrected the same morning, they now serve in the role of the 24 Elders in the Re:4 Temple))
1Co:15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co:15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Re:20:4-5:
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

DN 5:1 (Gives the title of "king" to Belshazzar although Belshazzar was actually the "viceroy.")

DN 5:2 (Says that Nebuchadnezzar was the father of Belshazzar, but actually, Nebonidus was the father of Belshazzar.) (Note: Some versions attempt to correct this error by making the verse say that Nebuchadnezzar was the grandfather of Belshazzar.)

((Neb was the 'head of God; and when he died he was still the King, it also meant that Babylon had to fall and it fell with the 1st one to take the throne, The Da:7 vision has him as being the 3rd rib and the other two kings are from the silver kingdom while Neb was the gold))

RE 8:7 All of the grass on earth is burned up, and then ...
RE 9:4 An army of locusts, which is about to be turned loose on the earth, is instructed not to harm the grass.

((the fire helps the elite take control of all the food, the land recovers fast from a grass fire and the locusts are on the scene 4 days after the fire and remain for 5 months. That is long enough for grass to fully recover. The 5 months is taken away from a period of 42 months so a lit more has to happen in the remaining 1110 days))

What are you talking about??

In courts contradicting testimonies are seen as evidence for FRAUD and lying!

Inspired does necessitate no contradictions!

Your gospels are filled with them, no wonder you lie about what the standard of truth is!

I answered this over at this link.

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No contradictions in the Old Testament? Really?

Check this out...

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Just because the writers were inspired doesn't mean they didn't use their own words.

No Bible is perfect. KJV has verses added / manipulated by trinitarians, dating back to the 2nd Century.

We don't have the original manuscripts that any of the authors wrote.



But yet it happens...

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Utter NONSENSE.

No REAL proof of any of that.

Sometimes, it helps to look at a different version of the Bible to resolve an apparent contradiction.

I use these websites to compare translations.

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Here's another one that was proposed by a member a few months ago. I've changed his user name so as to not "call him out".



Such as what?

This is a "Bible Contradictions" website. It lists the below verses as such.

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GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

How are these truly "contradictions"?

Pretty much looks like a list of various "emotions" that humans can / do have, EXCEPT for the fact that the list conveniently leaves out Old Testament verses to show God as being Pleased, Merciful and Loving.

We were made in His "image", so ALL those "single" descriptions of God...and humans...are accurate.

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This is a vid with Jordan Maxwell talking about the translation of certain words in the book of Genesis.

Interesting...about 35 mins

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1. Newer Bibles are based on OLDER manuscripts that were not known of in King James' time or before that.

2. Many newer Bibles attempt to reword things into "modern language" in an attempt for better understanding.

3. Some words and even concepts are pretty much impossible to convey / translate into the language of another society.

4. Scribes sometimes made copying errors, or even THOUGHT that they personally could ADD a word or two for create a "better understanding".

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I also use these websites to compare translations.

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[link to biblehub.com (secure)]

[link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)]

[link to bible.knowing-jesus.com (secure)]

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 01/02/2020 02:25 PM

The problem is two-fold.

English translators can take liberty with certain
Greek words because they have multiple usage & meaning.

On top of that, the Greek sometimes doesn't
convey what the original Yebrew said.

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Confustion based on lack of context, incorrect interpretation or even poor translations.

1. Some words and verses have been poorly translated - even deliverately mis-translated.

2. Some verses have been altered or even added.

3. Verses are "singled out" and taken out of context in relation to the passage.

OK.

Much of scripture does NOT NEED interpretation.

It's straight and "to the point".

Men try to use "interpretation" to get scripture
to FIT whatever DOCTRINE they need it for.

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Jehovah / Yahweh is NOT Satan.

We don't need to 'go within'.

Genesis, Job and Revelation CLEARLY show a distinction between Father God and Satan.

One more point. 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles are written by 2 different people with 2 perspectives. Most folks of the Hebrews culture would understand that Father God didn't 'incite' David Himself. God used Satan to do the 'dirty work'.

All you people who are pushing this 'narrative' are doing so for ONE reason.

And that's to invalidate the historicity and accuracy of the Bible - the Hebrews texts.

14 posts?

5 full pages of posts are 150 posts.

You rapture tards don't even have straight-forward verses that support your false doctrine.

You're forced to do 'interpretations' to get your 'story'.

Any doctrine that has substantial scripture that refutes the doctrine invalidates said 'doctrine' into a false teaching.

You can't ignore solid scripture that goes against your 'theory'.