I don't understand why JFK is such a hero on GLP

Because he spoke out against the Fed and got killed for it.

At least that is my guess.

Democrats then vs now are completely different.

There are people who believe that democrats and republicans are two sides of the same coin, and that the ones who really control things do it from the shadows. In that case, the platform that JFK ran on does not matter. That platform was given to him along with a "script" that he was to follow. JFK decided not to follow that script. Instead, he attempted to warn the people about the powers that control us in his famous "secret societies" speech. That is why he was killed.

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Nothing like Clinton and the democratic party was not the same back then as now.

It has been said that JFK would be a conservative if he was alive today. Based on everything that I have read about him, I tend to agree with that statement.

:bohs1: that's why. Exposed Deep State and they exposed his brain. Hero. :wrongwithyou:

^^^This, folks^^^
JFK (and his bro') turned against their installers/handlers.

Not quite the way I remember him [and yeah I'm that old!].

The federal Reserve had nothing to do with his murder but revenge did.

In reality, JFK was a major fuck up and it was only his assassination that cemented his place in history as too few people remember an even greater pile of genuine cement - the Berlin Wall- which he personally CAUSED to be built! The entire Camelot bullshit was carefully crafted by Jackie post-Dallas and that's what's stuck in the American conscience... and it couldn't be further from the truth!

Kennedy was a light-weight from day one as his rich bootlegger daddy Joe wheedled and connived to secure the Presidency for his sons - as in plural! The Kennedy dream was for big brother Joe to first ascend the political ladder followed by Jack, Bobby and eventually Teddy. But Joe was killed in WWII so Jack was groomed to step in. Literally. Even his much-publicized marriage to the wealthy Jackie Bouvier was carefully orchestrated.

He breezed into the Senate like a White Knight but offered up no substantial legislation.... served on LOTS of committees though, as he shored up his powerbase! And he made some serious enemies along the way.

And then there was his pathological whoring around - that J. Edgar Hoover had monitored from his Navy days . Hoover knew old Joe Sr really well from his bootlegging years and already had a file on him when Jack was still a wet-dream [Joe Sr. also was a horndog, bedding his way through early Hollywood with the likes of Gloria Swanson and Joan Crawford]. So Hoover wasted no time in opening a file on cocksman Jack. And, when Sam Giancana [through Daddy Joe] got Jack the POTUS nomination/election that file really started to grow!

But Jack's dirty-hands and assignations with Maryilyn Monroe and Judith Campbell [Exner] were NOTHING compared to what else Hoover had on him: JFK also bedded Russian/Chinese spies -THREE of them in total- who most certainly carried their bedroom talk right back to the KGB and Krusuchev.. who REALLY hated Kennedy!

The KGB had already conducted a successful "Honey-pot" operation against the British government via the Profumo Affair [look it up - it's a DANDY!] and it wasn't long before they installed new operatives in D.C.

The first one was Ellen Rometsch, an East Germany spy. JFK met her through Bobby Baker's "Quorum Club" - which was commonly called simply "the "Q" [how's THAT for a contemporary coincidence?]. Next was Mariella Novotny followed by Suzy Chang. This all started to go down in October of '61 and he continued to fuck Rometsch in and out of the White House up until later summer, 1963. She was a regular at his legendary nude pool parties.

By then it was an open secret what was going on and the press were thisclose to finally releasing the story they had sat upon for years. After all: sleeping with the enemy amounted to Treason and Hoover had ample proof of what had been going on... and he was ready to use it.

The historical assumption is that Hoover cut a deal with LBJ to sabotage Kennedy's '64 re-election if Johnson appointed him as Attorney General [so Hoover could then install his lover Clyde Tolson as FBI Director]. Of course, Hoover had the goods on LBJ as well and they were really tight: Johnson lived just across the street from Hoover/Tolson in Georgetown and they hung out together swapping info.... and future plans.

Bottomline: if JFK hadn't been assassinated just a few months later, early in 1964 impeachment proceedings would've been started against him and he would've been booted right out of office in a scandal that would've made Clinton's later BJ look like kids fumbling around at recess out behind the swings!

Understand these are just a few highlights of Kennedy's debauchery. Politically, his mistakes were even greater as his poor-judgement [and Brother Bobby's stupid advice] nearly got D.C and NYC nuked off the map via the Gary Powers U-2 incident [which Eisenhower had green-lighted], the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the Cuban Missile Crisis. And that's why there are so many theories about who actually killed him: there were so many who wanted to see him dead today it's become a crapshoot in a very dark alley.

I could easily go on and on and on about Kennedy's drug addiction and other deficiencies [even when fucking he just laid there -due to his bad back- with the whores doing all the work on top; they did agree that he was an "oral Master" though!] - but this post is already far too long.

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Surely you jest, OP. You well know why.

Wtf do you mean hero?
If anything, it's one of the oldest conspiracy theories out there. GLP is a truth seeking site, so it's been discussed countless times... for truth.

OP can't even choose a single gender to put his love churro into, but has a hard time understanding the dichotomy of JFK?

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I get SO tired of people dragging up that old "ask not" quote. Kennedy did NOT write that speech; Ted Sorenson wrote virtually every word Kennedy uttered in formal settings. Those stirring speeches are just more of the whole Camelot mystique that is fabricated bullshit.

When in office, JFK was manipulated by many people from his brother Bobby to lifelong friend/advisor Kenny O'Donnell; but the ones who really crafted his administration's official policies and public image were Clark Clifford, Ted Sorenson and Pierre Salinger. Those three were the genuine Knights of Camelot!

But, I DO see your point... and agree with it.

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He fought against foreign infiltration and control of the U.S. government and all Americans who would betray the U.S. people.

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A democrat, liberal, serial cheater and fornicator, and pro-welfare. Are you saying JFK was none of this? He was also hooked on the drugs his Dr. Feelgood pumped into him.

Oh, and he was also the one who got us mired in the Vietnam war. He didn't dare to pull the plug on the Bay of Pigs fiasco, either, because Ike, the great general, had initiated it whereas he was a mere PT boat captain during the war.

Hey, maybe you are right. Clinton didn't fuck up in the geopolitical arena as much as JFK did. The latter almost got the entire world nuked.

You've obviously accepted the warm/fuzzy perspective of JFK - which is what Camelot was all about: a young, dashing idealistic President who thought only of others... and it was all a sham.

I remember those endless clips of Caroline and toddler John-John playing on the East lawn, of JFK sailing his boat hair blowing in the breeze and wearing his leather POTUS bomber jacket; I watched Jackie give a tour of the White House live on TV. I read the LIFE and LOOK magazines my Mom eagerly brought home just to gaze upon the fabulousness of America's first King and Queen. And, I watched the entire three days of assassination idolization [John-John's Jackie-prompted salute and all] including seeing Oswald get blown away by Jack Ruby as it happened live.

But, please get this: Kennedy was not as has been historically portrayed. He was a dangerously flawed leader whose words [and frequently decisions] were not his own and a man who nearly caused the utter destruction of the United States. John F. Kennedy was no King Arthur and Jackie was no Quenevere - although today all four are equally fictional.

But, I can't hold you responsible for your thoughts/feelings; back in 1961 I wrote a fan letter to the White House and the auto-penned reply with JFK's signature I got back was a treasured keepsake for many, many years. I wish I still had it; even that letter with it's fake signature is valuable today on the autograph market, Such is the power of a legacy - even a false one!

And then I started discovering the truth. And it wasn't nearly as pretty as I remembered Jackie being as she steered Charles Collingwood through the Blue Room on our little b/w set.

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He cheated Nixon out of the presidency and people wonder why Nixon was so paranoid! If there had been decent press back in those days , there wouldn’t have been the illusion of Camelot that is so often quoted!!

The days of "decent", honest reporting by the press ended when Edward R. Murrow left broadcasting [Ironically, JFK appointed him to direct the Voice of America radio network]. Murrow left behind media sharks like Walter Cronkite and Chet Huntley and David Brinkley. And they kept JFK's personae afloat, even though they all knew the truth behind the phony image... especially Uncle Walter who enjoyed special access to JFK as they happily sailed their boats and smoked cigars together off Nantucket Sound.

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JFK prevented the annihilation of the planet!

Gen Curtis Lemay, and the Pentagon wanted to settle the differences with the USSR in one "glorious battle". The nuclear fallout would have poisoned the whole world.

Kennedy solved the problem through diplomacy.

He realized that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers


illegally stole the US federal reserve bank out from

under the US citizens

It was actually Clark Clifford who began the dialogue with JFK to follow that line of diplomacy, but it was through Adali Stevenson -and back channels involving ABC's John Scali- who had to take it at the UN to finally stop the Cuban missle crisis. We literally dodged a big-assed bullet by about 36 hours.

But during this time, Gen Curtis LeMay was FAR more concerned with expanding our presence in VietNam than he was in going after the Soviets [as they were called at the time]. He wanted to first establish bases closer to the final targets of China and Russia, while still crowing about our "superiority". LeMay was a hothead and a dangerous one, at that.

You're also overlooking the fact that it was Kennedy HIMSELF who antagonized the Soviets and tried -unsuccessfully- to back them into a corner. The sequence of events was this:

-May 1960 Eisenhower authorises civilian pilot Gary Powers [under CIA control so the U.S. military was not directly involved] to fly a U-2 spy mission over Russia; Powers is shot down, captured and sentenced to ten years in Soviet prisons; Kennedy finally springs him in a prisoner exchange in '62 after lengthy negotiations that the Soviets largely ignored. It was Powers' U-2 flight that lit the first fuse of the mutual annihilation scenario. JFK steps up nuclear testing.

-April, 1961 Kennedy authorizes [on brother Bobby's advice] the invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs; this was also a CIA Op with few U.S. military taking part - again for "plausible deniability" ... a term that was coined during the Truman administration but that was allegedly resurrected by Bobby Kennedy himself. This was the second fuse.

-June, 1961 Kennedy meets with Khruschev in Vienna and royally pisses him off with his arrogant, immature atittude and demands. Khruschev already hated JFK by then but this meeting really wiped out any possiblity of detente between the two. The fuse gets much shorter.

-Two months later -in August, 1961- concrete foundations for the Berlin Wall are poured in direct retaliation for Kennedy's reckless foreign policy and snotty actions in Vienna.

-Everything simmers over the next 11 months to a slow boil as both Kennedy and Khruschev ramp up nuclear testing to demonstrate to the world who has the biggest balls. This sets the stage for what came thisclose to being the final confrontation we would ever face as a nation:

-October 22, 1962 Kennedy [again following Bobby's idiotic advice] recklessly threatens the Soviets on national TV [I was watching that night and had never seen my parents more frightened] with a "full retaliatory response" if missles are launched at any country in the western hemisphere. In the following six days that single sentence took us to the brink of all-out nuclear war with the Soviets.

The man who strongly suggested that JFK dig in his heels wasn't Gen Curtis LeMay, but former President Dwight D. Eisenhower... who started the whole mess in the FIRST place back in late 1959 when he green-lighted the Gary Powers spy-flight!

And while all of this was going on, the hawks in the Pentagon -led by Curtis LeMay- were jockeying for superiority in SE Asia with their ultimate goal an all-out war with China and the Soviets who were ready to back any Communist regime against the U.S.


Unsanitized History is your friend!

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