Altered Bible not Holy Bible

AltSwede,

Do you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ?

From 14-16, I read the New Living Bible. Never liked it even then.

From 17-20, I read the New International Version.

From 21-40, I read and studied only in the King James Version.

From 30-40, I started getting copies of the most common other translations, including NKJV, NASB, and ESV.

For the last dozen years, I have primarily used the NKJV for all regular reading and study

but in deeper studies, I always compare and contrast all versions and reference the original Greek and Hebrew languages frequently.

All versions and the original languages are easily available at our fingertips

for richest and fullest studies made easy.

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KJV only people are often almost cultlike in their unreasonable devotion to a text with many known difficulties of its own.

There are differences between English and the original Greek and Hebrew that simply do not always make for simple, direct and perfect translations.

All I need is a Textus Receptus...

over the years I learned all the others contradict the deity of Christ, the meaning of the Gospel and Salvation, The Holy Ghost guides me in truth within the Word and out...works for me :) :hf:

Im with you on that I think its good to look at the others line by line so then it becomes clear how so many others are such a major deception

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I know what ya mean thats why I love what Paul said in 1 Cor 14:24

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two (Hebrew,Greek), or at the most by three (Aramaic), and that by course; and let one interpret (English).

I added the brackets

I wish there was a full original text that was all in Hebrew, rather than the limited collection of Dead Sea scrolls, but we dont sadly...

Im so grateful that God preserves his Word in all languages...its really amazing isnt it :)

As for the perversions that satan's manufactured...not so much, but they are pretty easy to spot....

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The "hike" I took was to get groceries and do errands...and watch a movie.

You think your arrogant hater attitude is making any points with the Father?

Just take a look back at your ancestors.

You know...the ones that Jesus lambasted countless times....the Pharisees.



Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 02/02/2019 07:53 PM

Jesus is God's SON in the flesh.

Son....OF....God

You people just don't get it.

YOUR version of God Jesus the Father....

...I SENT Myself.
...I am GREATER than Myself.
...I will ASCEND to Myself.
...I do ONLY My OWN Will.
...I PRAY to Myself.
...I give THANKS to Myself.
...I will TELL Myself when to return.
...ask ME in MY name.
...I go to sit at at My OWN right hand.
...I have given Myself authority.

I didn't get spanked by anyone...especially an arrogant Pharisee.

I don't need to prove Jesus.

You too will bow your knee to Him.

how is this creation not perfect

Textus Receptus...written 1500 YEARS AFTER the original manuscripts?



From here...

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Truly major differences between the KJV and modern translations of the New Testament are primarily due to the inaccuracy of the so-called Textus Receptus [TR], the Greek text upon which the KJV's New Testament was based. According to Bruce Metzger (The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration, Third Edition, Oxford University Press, 1992, pages 95-118), the TR primarily resulted from the work of a Dutch Roman Catholic priest and Greek scholar by the name of Desiderius Erasmus, who published his first Greek New Testament text in 1516. The first edition of Erasmus' text was hastily and haphazardly prepared over the extremely short period of only five months. (ibid., page 106) That edition was based mostly upon two inferior twelfth century Greek manuscripts, which were the only manuscripts available to Erasmus "on the spur of the moment" (ibid., page 99).

KJV IS a good Bible...but it's not perfect.

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I believe Jesus is God

I believe the Textus Receptus vine o manuscripts is the Inerrant Word of God

You can question my faith and belief in your disagreement.

Do you also question my salvation ?

that is all

NIV derived from comparing several MSS. you need understand meaning of 'prayer' in in Greek in Mark 9.

I question none of those...but I do wonder what Jesus will do with you folks who deny the existence of the Father.

Do you REALLY believe Jesus?

He SAID ALL of these...yet you do NOT believe WHAT He said...

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. Matthew 7:21
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

According to scripture....where does Jesus sit in Heaven?




Manuscripts written over a thousand years AFTER the originals are more accurate then DATED MS's from the 1st & 2nd centuries?

You are so wrong.

Matthew 28:19 isn't stated as such in the oldest manuscripts.

Even the Catholics ADMIT that the verse was "changed".

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And 1 John 5:7 was "added".

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Acts 2:38 proves that Matthew 28:19 is not correct:

19 Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let every one of you ]b]be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

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"godhead" - Sure is funny how that word isn't used in most translations....and wasn't used in the earliest manuscripts.

Acts 17:29

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Romans 1:20

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Colossians 2:9

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39) Abram's

62) Abraham

199) Abram

262) Abraham

275) Abram

301) Abraham

351) Abram

395) Abraham

446) Abraham Abraham


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IF you do not question my salvation then perhaps where i am wrong you could leave to Jesus to correct me when the time comes for a correction to be made. I have made my positions and beliefs exceedingly clear many times, I dont play games about it... I tell you what I believe, I tell you what I believe I know, and I tell you what I know I do not know.

I would hope that you are also open to correction at such time as well. Or Would you rather argue these points ad nauseam? I know what it is you believe...you have done your due diligence...thank you I disagree

AMEN

First i nee to understand greek.

People today have trouble reading modern English.

Old English is much too much to ask of many.

Better they read any modern translation and grow in faith

than drop the KJV after their first baffling...

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Yes you do.
You just cant.

Watering the seed of doubt.

I prefer the reasoning given in the pre-face to the 1611KJV as the best explanation why that edition is better than any other English Bible. The two documents it used was the Greek NT and Hebrew OT and because it has a copyright all other Bibles had to be quite different. That is not good when you are relying on the words you are reading are as close to actual quotes as possible.

THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER
Preface to the King James Version of 1611

THE BEST THINGS HAVE BEEN CULMINATED

Zeal to promote the common good, whether it be by devising anything ourselves, or revising that which hath been laboured by others, deserveth certainly much respect and esteem, but yet findeth but cold entertainment in the world. It is welcomed with suspicion instead of love, and with emulation instead of thanks: and if there be any hole left for cavil to enter, (and cavil, if it do not find a hole, will make one) it is sure to be misconstrued, and in danger to be condemned.
(in part)

Yeah thats true...I agree, but I would also say, "is that a problem with the Bible, or with peoples individuals willingness to learn"? I started with an American Standard and when I switched over it took a little while but soon it was natural. Its kind of funny how people say oh the older English and then in the same sentence say that they have to go back to the Hebrew and Greek... which they dont speak at all... Where is the logic in that? or is it something deeper than that?

Questionz...?

This reads as if it were a play, with someone taking notes or writing it down word for word as spoken.


Who was the note taker of every word spoken by Jesus?

If your worried about a misplaced word, changed word.
Who wrote the word down as if there was a biblical note taker?

That is part of the reason there are 4 Gospels by 4 individuals who were there... this is their account...you will notice little details are included in one Gospel and perhaps not covered in another, but that the bulk of and context of the whole experience is captured. When all 4 are put together we get the whole of these mens walk with Jesus... What is captured is what God intents for us to know. It doesnt mean Jesus may have not said other things, He most probably did, but because it was not recorded should not be an issue as what God wanted recorded is...exactly as God intended for it to be.

I dont know, it leaves alot to chance
Alot to these four men to decide what was important and what wasnt.

Maybe Jesus said a bunch of stuff that they just didnt think had relevance.

Perhaps it didnt make since in their time, or their frame of mind.

I personally would like to sit and talk to Jesus directly.

I dont trust any man, preacher, monk, or any of the apostles who denied Jesus to tell me the truth.

I DONT TRUST THE EMPEROR CONSTANTINE to cannonize the bible.

I dont trust the roman catholic church.

The oldest continually inhabited christian church on the planet in turkey has bibles with gospels not even in modern bibles.

Too much has been left up to man to trust it completely

You either believe AND ACCEPT what scripture says or you don't.

Answer the question...

According to scripture....where does Jesus sit in Heaven?

Romans 8:34
“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”

Mat 22
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Yes I do I believe and accept what scriptures say...

Jesus and God are one...why because he said so... also the Pharisee say so because that is precisely why they had him killed

John 10:30 Context

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one. 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

and this seals it

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Who is the Word? Jesus and the Word is God...Is Got the Father? Yes...is Jesus God...Yes... is Jesus God come in the flesh...check

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Your right hand sits on the right side of your body
It is still you, you and your hand are one...if you cut off your hand it is still your hand...although now it is separated

Also if you open the Bible at the center where the Old Testament is on the left and the New Testament on the Right.. in other words the Book is open... Jesus is on the right hand...The story of God in the flesh (Jesus) sits on the right side (new testament or covenant or new contract) The Gospels...The good news... praise God :)

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Jesus sits AT the FATHER's RIGHT HAND - NOT His OWN right hand.

Sure is CONVENIENT for you to leave out the DEFINING verses of "right hand" isn't it?

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luk 22:69 - 70 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Eph 1:17 - 20

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.


Whose RIGHT HAND? The Father's.

NOT His own.

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