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Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?

 
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If one of their "spaceships" accidentally blows up then they have to pretend everyone died of course.



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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
there are 6 LM descent stages sitting on the lunar surface, surrounded with footprints, surface experiments, laser reflectors (still in use today), s few rovers and associated tracks, flags and assorted other items. They're there now, and will be there for a very long time.

...deal with it or prove they hoaxed those 6 landings...
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Ok no need to post any current pictures of that I'll take your word for it for and NASA's honor system sake, after all who says landing rocket thrust makes blast caters in the power soft 'lunar' surface?
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If one of their "spaceships" accidentally blows up then they have to pretend everyone died of course.



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ok, prove they are still alive..you have pictures of...somebody. Now, prove it's them. Your claim, your burden of proof. Just posting some similar looking folks isn't enough.

and who took that picture? The only person there who could have...the
CMP.
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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
you are also obligated to prove otherwise and none of you have done so.
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Wrong. NASA makes the claim: they must prove it.
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The CSM/LM was tracked/spotted by amateur astronomers enroute to the Moon on some missions. The Soviets tracked them too.
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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
So, here's a question...

Who went back to get the tape? They took off, leaving the camera filming them behind.

Don't tell me they had wireless video technology in 1972.
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Clearly, SoberLife is not what you practice...

There has been this thing called TV and radio way before 1972.
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My question was in reference to WIRELESS technology.
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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
there are 6 LM descent stages sitting on the lunar surface, surrounded with footprints, surface experiments, laser reflectors (still in use today), s few rovers and associated tracks, flags and assorted other items. They're there now, and will be there for a very long time.

...deal with it or prove they hoaxed those 6 landings...
 Quoting: hotdogg


Ok no need to post any current pictures of that I'll take your word for it for and NASA's honor system sake, after all who says landing rocket thrust makes blast caters in the power soft 'lunar' surface?
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After all, Harrier Jump Jets make blast craters everywhere they take off and land... and that's in an atmosphere, no less!
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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
So, here's a question...

Who went back to get the tape? They took off, leaving the camera filming them behind.

Don't tell me they had wireless video technology in 1972.
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Clearly, SoberLife is not what you practice...

There has been this thing called TV and radio way before 1972.
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My question was in reference to WIRELESS technology.
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Two words: rabbit ears.

The wireless t.v. was around way before cable was.
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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A few years back I remember seeing a photo from either the Chinese or Russians taken by a lunar orbiting satellite that showed one of the lunar landing sites and you could see the tracks from the rover on the moon. You'd think it there was nothing to see at the landing sites they would have definitely mentioned that.


Nevermind. It was NASA who released the pics.
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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Just looking at it, without seriously analyzing it; it really does look fake.

How did they claim to get that perfect shot anyway. No astronaut was there to film it right? Remote controlled camera? Who was controlling the camera? I would think the astronauts would be busy blasting off from the moon. 60’s-70’s tech giving remote controlled commands from the Earth to the Moon? I guess whoever was in orbiter could’ve been controlling it if he wasn’t busy getting in position to capture the two astronauts.

If it was controlled from Earth, What would be the lag time on communications? You’d only get one chance at that shot too
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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A few years back I remember seeing a photo from either the Chinese or Russians taken by a lunar orbiting satellite that showed one of the lunar landing sites and you could see the tracks from the rover on the moon. You'd think it there was nothing to see at the landing sites they would have definitely mentioned that.
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So you didn't post the pictures, just said 'trust me'?
Maybe you can photo shop some nice blast craters under all the LEMS to?
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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A few years back I remember seeing a photo from either the Chinese or Russians taken by a lunar orbiting satellite that showed one of the lunar landing sites and you could see the tracks from the rover on the moon. You'd think it there was nothing to see at the landing sites they would have definitely mentioned that.
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Also, Japanese took close up high-def images. Russia was supposed to have been tracking all missions on radar and communications. So, if it is a conspiracy or coverup; we are talking worldwide at this point.

I’d like for a die-hard skeptic to refute this other evidence

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

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I guess you could say many nations and independent bodies would also have motive to help cover for or back up NASA but it just seems highly unlikely.

Could they have sent this stuff up without astronauts to fake it? It seems like NASA would have the capability to send things up there unmanned.

Say they figured out they couldn’t send a manned mission because of the radiation belts but had the capability to send unmanned probes and put pretty much any object up there. Where would you go from there? You’d send the shit up there unmanned and fake the manned part.

Not saying that’s what happened. I’m on the fence

Maybe they faked part of it even though they actually went there for some unknown reason. I mean I believe we went there but there are so many weird pieces of evidence that make it seem like a lie

Seems like there is overwhelming evidence we went there and very good evidence that we did not

So weird
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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
That theory actually makes a lot of sense. It would explain a lot of the seemingly fake shit they did while at the same time explaining all the hard evidence that we went.

You fake the manned part and have a mission to plant evidence on the moon. They could’ve even collected legit rocks that way among other things that would back up the story.

Seems like the manned parts are the fakest parts of the story while every other aspect has pretty good evidence
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I guess you could say many nations and independent bodies would also have motive to help cover for or back up NASA but it just seems highly unlikely.

Could they have sent this stuff up without astronauts to fake it? It seems like NASA would have the capability to send things up there unmanned.

Say they figured out they couldn’t send a manned mission because of the radiation belts but had the capability to send unmanned probes and put pretty much any object up there. Where would you go from there? You’d send the shit up there unmanned and fake the manned part.

Not saying that’s what happened. I’m on the fence

Maybe they faked part of it even though they actually went there for some unknown reason. I mean I believe we went there but there are so many weird pieces of evidence that make it seem like a lie

Seems like there is overwhelming evidence we went there and very good evidence that we did not

So weird
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So, I was looking at this pic (click on the link) from the wikipedia article about 3rd party evidence. It is under SELENE pics so it is supposed to be from the Japanese program. You click on the pic and it says “Source: NASA”. Of course, that might mean that NASA got it from Japan and whoever got the pic then got it from NASA. But I just thought that’s odd that the pic came from NASA and not the Japanese. You would think for an article about third party evidence and refuting claims with that pic; that they would get it directly from the source and not NASA
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Oh oops disregard, I should’ve read lol

The clear pics came from NASA. Only one of the pics showing seemingly nothing came from the Japanese. Seems very misleading if one just skins the info like I did
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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A few years back I remember seeing a photo from either the Chinese or Russians taken by a lunar orbiting satellite that showed one of the lunar landing sites and you could see the tracks from the rover on the moon. You'd think it there was nothing to see at the landing sites they would have definitely mentioned that.
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Also, Japanese took close up high-def images. Russia was supposed to have been tracking all missions on radar and communications. So, if it is a conspiracy or coverup; we are talking worldwide at this point.

I’d like for a die-hard skeptic to refute this other evidence

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.google.com (secure)]
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Nice stage photos of the Hollywood 'moon' extravaganza but the reason no country has presented radar tracking of the trajectory of ANY 'cow jumping over the moon' trips thru the Van Allen Belt is because they never went more than 350 miles up.1rof1
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bert-facepalm
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you are also obligated to prove otherwise and none of you have done so.
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Wrong. NASA makes the claim: they must prove it.
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The CSM/LM was tracked/spotted by amateur astronomers enroute to the Moon on some missions. The Soviets tracked them too.
 Quoting: hotdogg


No amateur was in possession of any equipment that could track Apollo so I don't see how your assertion is possible, and neither do you.
Even today it's a struggle for radio hams to bounce signals off the moon, your claim that 50 years ago they could track a tiny object all the way to the moon is ridiculous. Even if they could get a signal it would only give them direction, there's no distance information there and they wouldn't know if the signal came from the roof of their radio shack or from Jupiter.

There is also NO evidence that the soviets tracked it, it's noticeable how you have failed to produce any evidence they did" this is because there IS no evidence.

However I'm still waiting for you to disprove the existence my giant clockwork boat I ran in the 1970s that crossed the atlantic and pacific a few times. I can prove this as the soviets tracked it, and so did radio hams from all over the world. You'll have to admit that it was a great boat and that you admire the way I wound up the giant 5 metre wide brass key with the help of 200 seagulls that I specially trained for the job, when they were not nesting in my cone shaped thermos flask that protected them from cosmic rays.
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bert-facepalm
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This is brilliant, around 5 minutes in she completely drops the pretense that they are trying to shield the equipment (which is simple - same as in geostationary satellites) and starts blabbing on about water shields etc, something Apollo never had.

This is the 'brilliance. of the Apollo story, it's not one false thing that doesn't work, NOTHING about Apollo works. Even the hatches were too small in the LM, the footsteps are not possible in vacuum dried dust, the photography is impossible with the gear taken, the CM gear was too big to fit into the CM - let alone with pilots and parachutes, the LRO never behaves like it's in 1/6th g, the 'still visible' flags would have crumbed to dust long ago, the shadows are wrong, the photo's have pool-of-light errors and too short horizons (early MGM Borehamwood shots), the film is totally unfogged, the invisible stars and planets, the astronauts ignorance of the Van Ellen belts, the orange juice stains on the films (Apollo 15 I think) from a sealed suit, the cavorting careless manner in a deadly environment, the crying at the press conference, the special escape chute they built for Saturn V, the dud engines, the lack of continuous footage of any take off of any Apollo, the precise spashdown sites even of Apollo 13, the total lack of evidence anything was left on the moon, the daft water cooled suits - we add antifreeze in our car engines but not for the cold vacuum of space?, the unrealistic plaster cast moon, the silent main descent engine, the LM's stability and reliability, the list is endless.

This is why NASA's Apollo wasn't just a subtle fake, it was a very poor fake even by 1969 standards. Not only is the story a non-starter, they couldn't even fit through the LM's door: that's why there are no photos of an astronaut ever half way out...

And still no single piece of decent evidence from the faithful. It's sad when the best they can do is claim the soviets tracked it or that Bertie in his shed with a crystal set and a WWII rotating aerial tracked it so that's 'proof'.

ETA: Here is the BBC showing the REAL CM the crew entered at lift-off that made them so happy about their amazing voyage to the AFB to await the splashdown military transport plane they all returned from, enjoy!

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Re: Which do you enjoy more, NASA forgetting to rake out the LEM landing blast crater, or the exploding, no thrust no dust take off?
you are also obligated to prove otherwise and none of you have done so.
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Wrong. NASA makes the claim: they must prove it.
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The CSM/LM was tracked/spotted by amateur astronomers enroute to the Moon on some missions. The Soviets tracked them too.
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No amateur was in possession of any equipment that could track Apollo so I don't see how your assertion is possible, and neither do you.
Even today it's a struggle for radio hams to bounce signals off the moon, your claim that 50 years ago they could track a tiny object all the way to the moon is ridiculous. Even if they could get a signal it would only give them direction, there's no distance information there and they wouldn't know if the signal came from the roof of their radio shack or from Jupiter.

There is also NO evidence that the soviets tracked it, it's noticeable how you have failed to produce any evidence they did" this is because there IS no evidence.


However I'm still waiting for you to disprove the existence my giant clockwork boat I ran in the 1970s that crossed the atlantic and pacific a few times. I can prove this as the soviets tracked it, and so did radio hams from all over the world. You'll have to admit that it was a great boat and that you admire the way I wound up the giant 5 metre wide brass key with the help of 200 seagulls that I specially trained for the job, when they were not nesting in my cone shaped thermos flask that protected them from cosmic rays.
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Thankfully someone knowledgeable and with a great (British) sense of humour :)

NASA apollo-getics are so dull

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No More of This Bullshit

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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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Just looking at it, without seriously analyzing it; it really does look fake.

How did they claim to get that perfect shot anyway. No astronaut was there to film it right? Remote controlled camera? Who was controlling the camera? I would think the astronauts would be busy blasting off from the moon. 60’s-70’s tech giving remote controlled commands from the Earth to the Moon? I guess whoever was in orbiter could’ve been controlling it if he wasn’t busy getting in position to capture the two astronauts.

If it was controlled from Earth, What would be the lag time on communications? You’d only get one chance at that shot too
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controlled by Ed Fendell in Houston. Same guy that controlled the camera during all the EVAs.
He knew the launch time and the lag due to the speed of light. Not hard then to start the pan up a couple seconds early.
As for the picture in the thumbnail of the video, that was taken in orbit from the CM.

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No amateur was in possession of any equipment that could track Apollo so I don't see how your assertion is possible, and neither do you.

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A 23-second search later...

[link to www.arrl.org]

[link to pages.astronomy.ua.edu]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.svengrahn.pp.se]

Have a nice day.
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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Just looking at it, without seriously analyzing it; it really does look fake.

How did they claim to get that perfect shot anyway. No astronaut was there to film it right? Remote controlled camera? Who was controlling the camera? I would think the astronauts would be busy blasting off from the moon. 60’s-70’s tech giving remote controlled commands from the Earth to the Moon? I guess whoever was in orbiter could’ve been controlling it if he wasn’t busy getting in position to capture the two astronauts.

If it was controlled from Earth, What would be the lag time on communications? You’d only get one chance at that shot too
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A remote-controlled camera operated by Ed Fendell is certainly feasible. The pictures of the astronauts leaving is not mission critical, so it wouldn't matter if it wasn't a perfect shot. So, it is a rather weak argument against the landings.

There are better photographs to choose to show evidence of fakery.
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Shouldn't they have gradually lifted the model to simulate rocket thrust rather than blowing it up with explosives, and throw some dust under it?


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Just looking at it, without seriously analyzing it; it really does look fake.

How did they claim to get that perfect shot anyway. No astronaut was there to film it right? Remote controlled camera? Who was controlling the camera? I would think the astronauts would be busy blasting off from the moon. 60’s-70’s tech giving remote controlled commands from the Earth to the Moon? I guess whoever was in orbiter could’ve been controlling it if he wasn’t busy getting in position to capture the two astronauts.

If it was controlled from Earth, What would be the lag time on communications? You’d only get one chance at that shot too
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A remote-controlled camera operated by Ed Fendell is certainly feasible. The pictures of the astronauts leaving is not mission critical, so it wouldn't matter if it wasn't a perfect shot. So, it is a rather weak argument against the landings.

There are better photographs to choose to show evidence of fakery.
 Quoting: Neil WeakLlegs 77355539


The quality of the photo is irrelevant, the fact there were no Rover tracks to and from the camera is, as is the fact they couldn't convincingly fake a fireworks flare/thrust slowly lifting off so they blew the toy up with an M80.
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I guess you could say many nations and independent bodies would also have motive to help cover for or back up NASA but it just seems highly unlikely.

Could they have sent this stuff up without astronauts to fake it? It seems like NASA would have the capability to send things up there unmanned.

Say they figured out they couldn’t send a manned mission because of the radiation belts but had the capability to send unmanned probes and put pretty much any object up there. Where would you go from there? You’d send the shit up there unmanned and fake the manned part.

Not saying that’s what happened. I’m on the fence

Maybe they faked part of it even though they actually went there for some unknown reason. I mean I believe we went there but there are so many weird pieces of evidence that make it seem like a lie

Seems like there is overwhelming evidence we went there and very good evidence that we did not

So weird
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It was a mixture of real and fake.

It seems that the photographs shown to the public on TV, etc, were fake.

The USA and USSR were cooperating behind the scenes. Look at the 1972 Russian grain deals and the joint Apollo–Soyuz in 1975.

In other words, the "Space Race" was not designed to dupe the Russians; it was to dupe the American tax payer and increase profits for big gov't and cooperations.

Today, the economies of China and Japan are dependent on the USA being a happy customer. Those countries are not going to stir the pot by disputing the landings.
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No amateur was in possession of any equipment that could track Apollo so I don't see how your assertion is possible, and neither do you.

 Quoting: Drone#6


A 23-second search later...

[link to www.arrl.org]

[link to pages.astronomy.ua.edu]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

[link to www.svengrahn.pp.se]

Have a nice day.
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I should hope you did find some nice anecdotes and of course the establishment favourite, good old Wikipedia to back the official story up!

50 years of top quality american state sponsored propaganda SHOULD be easy to find, if it wasn't I'd expect quite a few people would be fired.

What did you expect? It proves nothing, it's hearsay.

Today I picked up Radio Saturn on my radio ham antenna at 12.345Mhz exactly, they were on the LSB SSB, the whole family were enjoying the syncopating beats that won 'Best Of Outer Planets' award of 106782 galactic time. I got my daughter to fine-tune the dial as she has perfect pitch.

Now prove me wrong, oh and thanks, have a nice day!
In the meantime perhaps you have a single piece of EVIDENCE or PROOF that they went to the moon you'd like to share?