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If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?

 
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Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374108


That scripture alone prove Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. The Flesh man
That housed God, known as the "son of man" died and was resurected. God himself did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


Notice the scripture. God and the son of man are represented as one.

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall HE not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall HEnot make it good?

If the Son of man was separate and not God in the flesh, it would have said "THEY" can not lie or repent.

The word of God came FORTH out OF GOD. God manifested in "the flesh" the Flesh died. )Not the Word that was with God and WAS GOD.) and was resurrected.

The Word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Revelation 1:8

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

That is God Almighty. The Alpha (first) and the Omega ( Last )

Revelation 1 17:18 the living one who was once dead and now lives. The FIRST (ALPHA) AND THE LAST (OMEGA)

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

No way around it.
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Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77374108


That scripture alone prove Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. The Flesh man
That housed God, known as the "son of man" died and was resurected. God himself did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


Notice the scripture. God and the son of man are represented as one.

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall HE not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall HEnot make it good?

If the Son of man was separate and not God in the flesh, it would have said "THEY" can not lie or repent.

The word of God came FORTH out OF GOD. God manifested in "the flesh" the Flesh died. )Not the Word that was with God and WAS GOD.) and was resurrected.

The Word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
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Believe what you want I don't care. But it contradicts each other clearly.
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Only if one has a preconceived agenda and is above learning/honoring God.
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Believe what you want I don't care. But it contradicts each other clearly.
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Only if one has a preconceived agenda and is above learning/honoring God.
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Why did you make the thread then!?
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That scripture alone prove Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. The Flesh man
That housed God, known as the "son of man" died and was resurected. God himself did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


Notice the scripture. God and the son of man are represented as one.

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall HE not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall HEnot make it good?

If the Son of man was separate and not God in the flesh, it would have said "THEY" can not lie or repent.

The word of God came FORTH out OF GOD. God manifested in "the flesh" the Flesh died. )Not the Word that was with God and WAS GOD.) and was resurrected.

The Word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805

No Jehovah never took human form Jesus did.
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." jo1
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Notice the scripture. God and the son of man are represented as one.

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall HE not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall HEnot make it good?

If the Son of man was separate and not God in the flesh, it would have said "THEY" can not lie or repent.

The word of God came FORTH out OF GOD. God manifested in "the flesh" the Flesh died. )Not the Word that was with God and WAS GOD.) and was resurrected.

The Word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805

No Jehovah never took human form Jesus did.
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." jo1
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No man has seen God at anytime. That is correct. Only one was privileged to see the back part of God in scripture.

That is Why God was manifested in Human form. The "flesh man" was just that. Mortal Flesh. Not God. It was a medium im which God used to dwell amongst mankind.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD. Not a lesser god.

And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt amongst men.
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The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805

No Jehovah never took human form Jesus did.
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." jo1
 Quoting: DGN


No man has seen God at anytime. That is correct. Only one was privileged to see the back part of God in scripture.

That is Why God was manifested in Human form. The "flesh man" was just that. Mortal Flesh. Not God. It was a medium im which God used to dwell amongst mankind.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD. Not a lesser god.

And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt amongst men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


If Jesus is God who is Jehovah?
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Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805

No Jehovah never took human form Jesus did.
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." jo1
 Quoting: DGN


No man has seen God at anytime. That is correct. Only one was privileged to see the back part of God in scripture.

That is Why God was manifested in Human form. The "flesh man" was just that. Mortal Flesh. Not God. It was a medium im which God used to dwell amongst mankind.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD. Not a lesser god.

And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt amongst men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


If Jesus is God who is Jehovah?
 Quoting: DGN



"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
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No Jehovah never took human form Jesus did.
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." jo1
 Quoting: DGN


No man has seen God at anytime. That is correct. Only one was privileged to see the back part of God in scripture.

That is Why God was manifested in Human form. The "flesh man" was just that. Mortal Flesh. Not God. It was a medium im which God used to dwell amongst mankind.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD. Not a lesser god.

And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt amongst men.
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If Jesus is God who is Jehovah?
 Quoting: DGN



"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
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No man has seen God at anytime. That is correct. Only one was privileged to see the back part of God in scripture.

That is Why God was manifested in Human form. The "flesh man" was just that. Mortal Flesh. Not God. It was a medium im which God used to dwell amongst mankind.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD. Not a lesser god.

And the WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt amongst men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


If Jesus is God who is Jehovah?
 Quoting: DGN



"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

"I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well"
If the blasphemy of predestination is true who is accountable for sin/crime genocides?
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It does say that...it says that he was the originator of Gods creation. Meaning that all things were created they him
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
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Jesus was sent forth from God
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If Jesus is God who is Jehovah?
 Quoting: DGN



"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

"I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well"
If the blasphemy of predestination is true who is accountable for sin/crime genocides?
 Quoting: DGN


I think you might be confusing predestined with predetermined.
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"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

"I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well"
If the blasphemy of predestination is true who is accountable for sin/crime genocides?
 Quoting: DGN


I think you might be confusing predestined with predetermined.
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What's the difference?
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
 Quoting: DGN


finally! someone dares to say the truth! there was never a jesus
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DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

"I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well"
If the blasphemy of predestination is true who is accountable for sin/crime genocides?
 Quoting: DGN


I think you might be confusing predestined with predetermined.
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What's the difference?
 Quoting: DGN


If my life is predetermined, I function as no more than a robot. I do exactly as I have been programmed to do. If predetermination is real, then the entire premise of the Bible is false.

If my life is predestined, it means that there is a laid out purpose for my life that, to fulfil, I first have to repent of my sin and thus aved from it. I am also saved for a purpose. That is what I have been predestined for.

Hope that helps
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"I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well"
If the blasphemy of predestination is true who is accountable for sin/crime genocides?
 Quoting: DGN


I think you might be confusing predestined with predetermined.
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What's the difference?
 Quoting: DGN


If my life is predetermined, I function as no more than a robot. I do exactly as I have been programmed to do. If predetermination is real, then the entire premise of the Bible is false.

If my life is predestined, it means that there is a laid out purpose for my life that, to fulfil, I first have to repent of my sin and thus aved from it. I am also saved for a purpose. That is what I have been predestined for.

Hope that helps
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Responding to God's invitation to be spiritually educated, reformed, to qualify for serving him is his wish for everyone. Sin was never predestined.
"9 That is also why from the day we heard of it, we have never stopped praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, 10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God; 11 and may you be strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may endure fully with patience and joy, 12 as you thank the Father, who made you qualify to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light." Col1:9
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I think you might be confusing predestined with predetermined.
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What's the difference?
 Quoting: DGN


If my life is predetermined, I function as no more than a robot. I do exactly as I have been programmed to do. If predetermination is real, then the entire premise of the Bible is false.

If my life is predestined, it means that there is a laid out purpose for my life that, to fulfil, I first have to repent of my sin and thus aved from it. I am also saved for a purpose. That is what I have been predestined for.

Hope that helps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74896242


Responding to God's invitation to be spiritually educated, reformed, to qualify for serving him is his wish for everyone. Sin was never predestined.
"9 That is also why from the day we heard of it, we have never stopped praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, 10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God; 11 and may you be strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may endure fully with patience and joy, 12 as you thank the Father, who made you qualify to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light." Col1:9
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Being a sinner is not predestined, it is a simple truth of Scripture ‘for all have sinned and falllen short of the glory of God’

A person cannot be saved unless they repent of their sin, and walk in obedience to Jesus, as he walked in obedience to the Father. Jesus said we remaini in his love if we keep his commandments. He that ensures to the end will be saved. Thankfully it is not Gods will that any should perish.
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What's the difference?
 Quoting: DGN


If my life is predetermined, I function as no more than a robot. I do exactly as I have been programmed to do. If predetermination is real, then the entire premise of the Bible is false.

If my life is predestined, it means that there is a laid out purpose for my life that, to fulfil, I first have to repent of my sin and thus aved from it. I am also saved for a purpose. That is what I have been predestined for.

Hope that helps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74896242


Responding to God's invitation to be spiritually educated, reformed, to qualify for serving him is his wish for everyone. Sin was never predestined.
"9 That is also why from the day we heard of it, we have never stopped praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, 10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God; 11 and may you be strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may endure fully with patience and joy, 12 as you thank the Father, who made you qualify to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light." Col1:9
 Quoting: DGN


Being a sinner is not predestined, it is a simple truth of Scripture ‘for all have sinned and falllen short of the glory of God’

A person cannot be saved unless they repent of their sin, and walk in obedience to Jesus, as he walked in obedience to the Father. Jesus said we remaini in his love if we keep his commandments. He that ensures to the end will be saved. Thankfully it is not Gods will that any should perish.
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A person cannot be saved unless they repent of their sin, and walk in obedience to Jesus, as he walked in obedience to the Father. Jesus said we remaini in his love if we keep his commandments. He that ensures to the end will be saved. Thankfully it is not Gods will that any should perish.


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Salvation by works BS!

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Because God created him in "the beginning"?
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If Jesus is God who is Jehovah?
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"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
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DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
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"I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well"
If the blasphemy of predestination is true who is accountable for sin/crime genocides?
 Quoting: DGN


Let's let the scriptures answer.

Romans 11:32

"For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."

So I ask you DGN. Who is responsible for bounding EVERYONE over to disobedience, so the he may have mercy on THEM ALL ?

Further:

Romans 8:29-30


29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

So, now talk to us about how Paul taught blasphemy of predestination.
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Revelation 1:8

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

That is God Almighty. The Alpha (first) and the Omega ( Last )

Revelation 1 17:18 the living one who was once dead and now lives. The FIRST (ALPHA) AND THE LAST (OMEGA)

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

No way around it.
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I already addressed Revelation 2 pages ago.

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That scripture alone prove Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. The Flesh man
That housed God, known as the "son of man" died and was resurected. God himself did not die.
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Notice the scripture. God and the son of man are represented as one.

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall HE not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall HEnot make it good?

If the Son of man was separate and not God in the flesh, it would have said "THEY" can not lie or repent.

The word of God came FORTH out OF GOD. God manifested in "the flesh" the Flesh died. )Not the Word that was with God and WAS GOD.) and was resurrected.

The Word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD.
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The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
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Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
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IF Jesus is God Himself, then the phrase "Son of God" should not even exist.

God Himself has no need for the words or phrases...

"the Father"
"my Father"
"our Father"
"your Father"

God Himself wouldn't refer to His Kingdom as "the kingdom of God"...it would be "My Kingdom".
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Son of God

John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;


"the Father"

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

John 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

2 John 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.



"my Father"

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

John 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

John 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

John 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


"your Father"

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.


"Father"

John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name.
Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

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Notice the scripture. God and the son of man are represented as one.

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall HE not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall HEnot make it good?

If the Son of man was separate and not God in the flesh, it would have said "THEY" can not lie or repent.

The word of God came FORTH out OF GOD. God manifested in "the flesh" the Flesh died. )Not the Word that was with God and WAS GOD.) and was resurrected.

The Word was with God AND the Word WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73015805


The Son OF God was manifested in the flesh.

Read the opening to Revelation.

And God cannot die. Yet Jesus died, albeit in human form.

Have you read any of the other posts in this thread?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes. I've read all your post. The reality is that the "flesh" died that housed God himself. God did not die. Just the flesh died that housed the word of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was and the word BECAME FLESH.

The Flesh died that housed the word of God that WAS GOD. God did not die.
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IF Jesus is God Himself, then the phrase "Son of God" should not even exist.

God Himself has no need for the words or phrases...

"the Father"
"my Father"
"our Father"
"your Father"

God Himself wouldn't refer to His Kingdom as "the kingdom of God"...it would be "My Kingdom".
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"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
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So was Jesus created by God or what?
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No.
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DGN is a Jehovah's witness, and TheLordsServant may be as well. No use arguing with them since they adamantly deny the deity of Christ. I'm sure they denounce the doctrine of predestination as well and believe they have saved themselves with their own ability to believe.

If God chooses to reveal the truth to them, He will in His time.
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The deity and divinty of Jesus is that He is the Son OF God.

Only-begotten - utterly unique in all of creation.

"the Christ"
"the Messiah"
"the Lamb OF God"
"the Son OF God"
"Holy One OF God"
"advocate to the Father for sinners" "advocate with the Father"
"a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec"
"one mediator between God and men"
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"the Father is GREATER than Me"
"I learned FROM the Father"
"I do ONLY the Father's Will, NOT mine"

To me, THESE are the "defining statements", made by Jesus Himself, that tell us who He is.
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Predestination?

The bible does not teach predestination exclusively.

BOTH "choosers" AND "the chosen" (elect) are represented in the Bible, and it's most easily seen in Acts 2:14 - 42, where Peter (elect / chosen) preaches to and converts 3000 new Believers (choosers).

Some folks ARE "pre-chosen".

Samuel is probably the easiest one to point out. hf

How about the 12 Apostles?

They seem to be a mix of folks that Jesus specifically went to and some who were "drawn" to Jesus by the Father.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
IF Jesus is God Himself, then the phrase "Son of God" should not even exist.

God Himself has no need for the words or phrases...

"the Father"
"my Father"
"our Father"
"your Father"

God Himself wouldn't refer to His Kingdom as "the kingdom of God"...it would be "My Kingdom".
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"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
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What part of "Son OF God" is it that you can't comprehend?

God Himself didn't come to earth.

He SENT His SON.

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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
IF Jesus is God Himself, then the phrase "Son of God" should not even exist.

God Himself has no need for the words or phrases...

"the Father"
"my Father"
"our Father"
"your Father"

God Himself wouldn't refer to His Kingdom as "the kingdom of God"...it would be "My Kingdom".
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


"Jesus" was the "man/flesh" that Housed God. The "man" Christ was just that. A man. Flesh that was mortal and experienced pain, sorrow and death. A flesh in which God himself took on dwelling amongst men and experiencing that which humanity lives.

The being in which he created that Housed God, that died and resurected, now sits at the right hand of the father.

In the beginning the Word was with God (not the flesh man that housed God) AND THE WORD (Not the flesh that housed God) WAS GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73759913


What part of "Son OF God" is it that you can't comprehend?

God Himself didn't come to earth.

He SENT His SON.

iamwith
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


What part of the man/flesh of the mortal man called "Jesus" that housed God himself, that was referenced as the "Son OF God" as mortal flesh. Also known as "The son of man" do you not understand?

You are confusing the carnal with the spiritual. But, then again, that is expected from the carnally minded...