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If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?

 
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It's sad that you folks ignore what Jesus actually states in favor of what humans stated.

Jesus said all of these. Did He lie?

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19
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Why is such simple truth beyond understanding, even for 'believers'?
" If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5 For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is the one who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate them with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ." 2Cor4;3
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An "image" isn't the original. It's like a picture.

Yet, as Christ is the Son of God, it's far more complicated than a mere picture.

Jesus stated He was "SENT" 47 different times.

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Only someone with authority OVER Him could "Send Him".

The Father!
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
So was Jesus created by God or what?
 Quoting: DGN


Yes. Anybody who says Jesus is the same person as God the Father or that he always co-existed with God is in error.
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Also in error are those who say God took on human form and was born on earth through Mary.

That concept is straight out of Hinduism, i.e., they believe that every few thousand years the formless God takes on human form (called an 'avatar') and lives on earth as a human being.
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Good point.
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Jesus is NOT God. The Bible makes that 100% clear!
John 3:16
John 14:28
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Jesus is a God and since there is only one God...

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


Ephesians 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;


2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Romans 8:10-11
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


Exodus 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.



Psalm 81:9
There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.


Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Hebrews 1:8-9
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.



1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


1 Corinthians 8:4
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.


James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

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Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
 Quoting: DGN


Are you seriously asking? Because Jesus the Lord is that Spirit, the Creator, the uncreated God ("was God"). Then he made for himself a creation, a body, and dwelled therein ("was with God").
 Quoting: Jesus Christ Is God Almighty!


I agree that he made for himself a form to dwell in.
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And I quote, "I bind my blood in Satan's hands, All this that lieth betwixt my hands, To thee, the Beast, and thy control, I pledge me; body, mind, and soul. (Aleister Crowley, Satanic Extracts, 1991)"





Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
Jesus is a God and since there is only one God...

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


Ephesians 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;


2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Romans 8:10-11
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


Exodus 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.



Psalm 81:9
There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.


Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Hebrews 1:8-9
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.



1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


1 Corinthians 8:4
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.


James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 Quoting: Issac


Excellent scriptural summary. Unfortunately that just went right over their heads. They only can see and understand with a carnal mind. They are spiritually blind. Not until God heals them from their spiritual blindness, can they see. God will heal them though in his due time.
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God is invisible, dwelling in unapproachable light. So could the below be the Word that was with him in the beginning? The beginning of creation?


Genesis 3:8
And when they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in paradise at the afternoon air, Adam and his wife hid themselves from the face of the Lord God, amidst the trees of paradise.

Genesis 4:16
And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth, at the east side of Eden.

Genesis 13:13
And the men of Sodom were very wicked, and sinners before the face of the Lord, beyond measure.

Genesis 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Phanuel, saying: I have seen God face to face, and my soul has been saved.

Exodus 3:3
And Moses said: I will go and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

Exodus 3:6
And he said: I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Moses hid his face: for he durst not look at God.

Exodus 19:21
He said unto him: Go down, and charge the people: lest they should have a mind to pass the limits to see the Lord, and a very great multitude of them should perish.

Exodus 33:11
And the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man is wont to speak to his friend. And when he returned into the camp, his servant Josue the son of Nun, a young man, departed not from the tabernacle.

Exodus 33:13
If therefore I have found favour in thy sight, shew me thy face, that I may know thee, and may find grace before thy eyes: look upon thy people this nation.

Exodus 33:14
And the Lord said: My face shall go before thee, and I will give thee rest.

Exodus 33:20-23
And again he said: Thou canst not see my face: for man shall not see me and live. And again he said: Behold there is a place with me, and thou shalt stand upon the rock. And when my glory shall pass, I will set thee in a hole of the rock, and protect thee with my right hand, till I pass: And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face thou canst not see.

Numbers 6:25
The Lord shew his face to thee, and have mercy on thee.

Numbers 12:8
For I speak to him mouth to mouth: and plainly, and not by riddles and figures doth he see the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak ill of my servant Moses?

Numbers 14:14
And the inhabitants of this land, (who have heard that thou, O Lord, art among this people, and art seen face to face, and thy cloud protecteth them, and thou goest before them in a pillar of a cloud by day, and in a pillar of fire by night,)

Numbers 14:21-23
As I live: and the whole earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord. But yet all the men that have seen my majesty, and the signs that I have done in Egypt, and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now ten times, and have not obeyed my voice, Shall not see the land for which I aware to their fathers, neither shall any one of them that hath detracted me behold it.

Deuteronomy 5:4
He spoke to us face to face in the mount out of the midst of fire.

Judges 5:5
The mountains melted before the face of the Lord, and Sinai before the face of the Lord the God of Israel.

Judges 6:22
And Gedeon seeing that it was the angel of the Lord, said: Alas, my Lord God: for I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face.

Judges 13:22
And he said to his wife: We shall certainly die, because we have seen God.

1 Samuel 2:18
But Samuel ministered before the face of the Lord: being a child girded with a linen ephod.

1 Chronicles 16:11
Seek ye the Lord, and his power: seek ye his face evermore.

2 Chronicles 7:14
And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land.

2 Chronicles 34:27
And thy heart was softened. and thou hast humbled thyself in the sight of God for the things that are spoken against this place, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and reverencing my face, hast rent thy garments, and wept before me: I also have heard thee, saith the Lord.

Job 19:26-27
And I shall be clothed again with my skin, and in my flesh I will see my God. Whom I myself shall see, and my eyes shall behold, and not another: this my hope is laid up in my bosom.

Psalm 23:6
This is the generation of them that seek him, of them that seek the face of the God of Jacob.

Psalm 26:8-9
My heart hath said to thee: My face hath sought thee: thy face, O Lord, will I still seek. Turn not away thy face from me; decline not in thy wrath from thy servant. Be thou my helper, forsake me not; do not thou despise me, O God my Saviour.

Psalm 30:17
Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; save me in thy mercy.

Psalm 41:3
My soul hath thirsted after the strong living God; when shall I come and appear before the face of God?

Psalm 50:13
Cast me not away from thy face; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Psalm 79:4
Convert us, O God: and shew us thy face, and we shall be saved.

Psalm 79:8
O God of hosts, convert us: and shew thy face, and we shall be saved.

Psalm 79:20
O Lord God of hosts, convert us: and shew thy face, and we shall be saved.

Psalm 87:15
Lord, why castest thou off my prayer: why turnest thou away thy face from me?

Psalm 101:17
For the Lord hath built up Sion: and he shall be seen in his glory.

Psalm 104:4
Seek ye the Lord, and be strengthened: seek his face evermore.

Psalm 118:58
I entreated thy face with all my heart: have mercy on me according to thy word.

Psalm 118:135
Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: and teach me thy justifications.

Psalm 138:7
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy face?

Psalm 142:7
Hear me speedily, O Lord: my spirit hath fainted away. Turn not away thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.

Isaiah 6:5
And I said: Woe is me, because I have held my peace; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people that hath unclean lips, and I have seen with my eyes the King the Lord of hosts.

Isaiah 9:2
The people that walked in darkness, have seen a great light: to them that dwelt in the region of the shadow of death, light is risen.

Isaiah 60:2
For behold darkness shall cover the earth, and a mist the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Jeremiah 12:3
And thou, O Lord, hast known me, thou hast seen me, and proved my heart with thee: gather them together as sheep for a sacrifice, and prepare them for the day of slaughter.

Jeremiah 23:18
For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath seen and heard his word? Who hath considered his word and heard it?

Daniel 3:41
And now we follow thee with all our heart, and we fear thee, and seek thy face.

Baruch 3:36-38
This is our God, and there shall no other be accounted of in comparison of him. He found out all the way of knowledge, and gave it to Jacob his servant, and to Israel his beloved. Afterwards he was seen upon earth, and conversed with men.

Hosea 5:15
I will go and return to my place: until you are consumed, and seek my face.

Jonah 1:10
And the men were greatly afraid, and they said to him: Why hast thou done this? (for the men knew that he fled from the face of the Lord: because he had told them.)

Micah 3:4
Then shall they cry to the Lord, and he will not hear them: and he will hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved wickedly in their devices.

Zephaniah 1:7
Be silent before the face of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is near, for the Lord hath prepared a victim, he hath sanctified his guests.

Malachi 1:9
And now beseech ye the face of God, that he may have mercy on you, (for by your hand hath this been done,) if by any means he will receive your faces, saith the Lord of hosts.
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Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
 Quoting: DGN


Are you seriously asking? Because Jesus the Lord is that Spirit, the Creator, the uncreated God ("was God"). Then he made for himself a creation, a body, and dwelled therein ("was with God").
 Quoting: Jesus Christ Is God Almighty!


I agree that he made for himself a form to dwell in.
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Utter NONSENSE. Your calling Jesus a liar.

Jesus is the Son OF God - SENT by the FATHER.
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I've been doing a "research" of KJV Bible verses that support "Jesus as the Son of God" - Son of the Father.

There's around 400 of them. horn2
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The word "Father" occurs 250 times in 212 verses in Matthew thru John in the KJV.

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Of those 250 times, there are 224 verses where either Jesus or the Apostles refer to the "Father" - God.
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The phrase "my Father" occurs 56 times in 53 verses, all in the 4 Gospels & Revelation in the KJV.

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The phrase "the Father" occurs 143 times in 125 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

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Jesus uses the phrase "the Father" 59 times
The Apostles use it another 50 times
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The phrase "our Father" 19 verses in the KJV

The phrase "your Father" 15 verses in the 4 Gospels

The phrase "thy Father" 3 verses in Matthew

The phrase "heavenly Father" 6 verses in the 4 Gospels

Jesus uses just the word "Father" 19 verses in the 4 Gospels

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Jesus states that He was "SENT" 47 times in the 4 Gospels

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The phrase "Son of God" is used 28 times in the 4 Gospels
The phrase "Son of God" is used 19 times in Acts thru Revelation

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The phrase "kingdom of God" (NOT "MY kingdom") is used 54 times in the 4 Gospels

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The phrase "kingdom of heaven" 32 times - NOT "MY kingdom" - (ALL in Matthew)

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Jesus is a God and since there is only one God...

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
 Quoting: Issac


One God - the Living Father - who Jesus declares.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Jesus also said all of these

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19
I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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The fire fight of scriptural bullets being shot at each other on this thread is hilarious! Seriously, it's like I'm in a fox hole watching a hail of scriptural ammunition being fired back and forth.
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The fire fight of scriptural bullets being shot at each other on this thread is hilarious! Seriously, it's like I'm in a fox hole watching a hail of scriptural ammunition being fired back and forth.
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Yeah good stuff ain't it? It's like this;
"Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world" 1Jo4

I like your observation.
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”…



22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…



Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”…



22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…



Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
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He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”…



22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…



Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”…



22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…



Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is identified here as the son of man, Gods Glory would be the Son of God

45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life


And how did they hear the Father? from his WORD who became Jesus Christ
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”…



22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…



Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
 Quoting: DGN


and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

Now, there is a difference between the "Son OF man" and the Word of God that became flesh.

Tell us the difference please. Because there is a distinct difference in the Son Of Man and who God is. Go!
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John 1 says it all, anyone who can not discern it is blind.
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It seems you fail to understand that God is a family, Father, Son and many future "sons and daughters" (Romans 8).
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”…



22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…



Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is identified here as the son of man, Gods Glory would be the Son of God

45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life


And how did they hear the Father? from his WORD who became Jesus Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


Told you he would look to belittle the true essence of God. They litteraly hate and cringe to think God himself would have come, taking on the form of a mortal flesh, to dwell and live amongst humanity experiencing the pain, sorrow, and death that humanity does.
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He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is identified here as the son of man, Gods Glory would be the Son of God

45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life


And how did they hear the Father? from his WORD who became Jesus Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


Told you he would look to belittle the true essence of God. They litteraly hate and cringe to think God himself would have come, taking on the form of a mortal flesh, to dwell and live amongst humanity experiencing the pain, sorrow, and death that humanity does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." Jo1
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And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.” 18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.” 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—before you. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”...

22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24By its light the nations will walk, and into it the kings of the earth will bring their glory.…

Moses ask to see Gods Glory. what or whom did he see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037

Who's "twisting scripture"? You folks ignore scripture that doesn't match your doctrine.

We are not "belittling" God's Glory. God's Glory is His own. John 17:5 shows us that Jesus is ASKING the Father to "have His own glory RETURNED to Him (Jesus)".

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 17:22 reaffirms that Jesus had gotten His glory FROM THE Father.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;

What part of "Lamb OF God" is it that you folks can't understand?

He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is identified here as the son of man, Gods Glory would be the Son of God

45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life

And how did they hear the Father? from his WORD who became Jesus Christ
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"God's Glory" is His own as I proved above.

"hear the Father"? The Father SPOKE to Moses and the prophets in various ways. "learned FROM Him" - learned from the Father.

What does Jesus specifically tell us?

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

Now, there is a difference between the "Son OF man" and the Word of God that became flesh.

Tell us the difference please. Because there is a distinct difference in the Son Of Man and who God is. Go!
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EXACTLY. The Son OF God also calls Himself the Son OF Man. Standing at the "right hand of God" is the key phrase here.

John 1 says it all, anyone who can not discern it is blind.
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No it doesn't. John 1 is more important than John 3:16? HOGWASH.

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It seems you fail to understand that God is a family, Father, Son and many future "sons and daughters" (Romans 8).
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And yet the Father is the "Patriarch" of all.

The Father states several times that Jesus is His "beloved Son".

Jesus acts just like a loving, obedient Son. It's as plain as daylight.

Told you he would look to belittle the true essence of God. They litteraly hate and cringe to think God himself would have come, taking on the form of a mortal flesh, to dwell and live amongst humanity experiencing the pain, sorrow, and death that humanity does.
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Father God is FAR to Holy and pure to ever come to earth as a "human". This is the "true essence" of God Himself.

God didn't come to earth. He SENT His Son.

The word "sent" occurs 130 times in 125 verses in Matthew thru John in the KJV.

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Of those 130 times the word was used, Jesus SAID He was sent 47 times. Who SENT Him? The Father, who has authority to do such.

It's a shame that you folks don't even bother post book & chapter info when you post verses. This is a serious disrespect to others who are reading this thread

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The word "sent" occurs 130 times in 125 verses in Matthew thru John in the KJV.

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Jesus states that He was "SENT" 47 times

Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Luke 9:48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
John 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.
John 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
John 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you
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you know how to twist things.
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He saw the Lamb. The light of God himself. Jesus.

DGN and the others who desperately want to belittle Gods Glory, will of course attack and twist the scriptural reality to this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77391037


"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
 Quoting: DGN


Jesus is identified here as the son of man, Gods Glory would be the Son of God

45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life


And how did they hear the Father? from his WORD who became Jesus Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70501380


Told you he would look to belittle the true essence of God. They litteraly hate and cringe to think God himself would have come, taking on the form of a mortal flesh, to dwell and live amongst humanity experiencing the pain, sorrow, and death that humanity does.
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I don't think posting a scripture falls into looking to belittle. God himself? not sure if you mean the Heavenly Father that is eternal no begining no end so couldn't have suffered death


I see it this way

GOD in completeness before there was anything else SPOKE(WORD) LET THERE BE LIGHT(GODS GOODNESS) AND THERE WAS LIGHT! The LIGHT came to be by GODS active force (HOLY SPIRIT) and this LIGHT was sent into the universe to bring Life. Let the creation begin by the creator!

This Light(Life) was breathed into Adam

26A wise king separates out the wicked and drives the threshing wheel over them. 27The spirit of a man is the lamp of the LORD, searching out his inmost being. 28Loving devotion and truth preserve a king; by these he maintains his throne.

Adam fell from sin and lost the active force of GOD at the moment of sin,he did not loose the Lamp of the LORD but he was cut off from the active force


After this evil flourished without the active force, so much that that GOD was sorry he had made man


45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.…

this life giving spirit is the lamp of GOD in mankind

Jesus the man is a restoration or reunion of the Son of GOD to the Son of man by means of the Heavenly Fathers Active force(HOLY SPIRIT)
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Jesus is NOT God. The Bible makes that 100% clear!
John 3:16
John 14:28

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Liar!
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DGN is a card carrying member of the jehovahs witness cult...linked to abuse for decades.This guy has no clue.
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Jesus is NOT God. The Bible makes that 100% clear!
John 3:16
John 14:28

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Your discernment is not from the Lord.
All of the below verses prove Yeshua is God.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit = Elohim plural

Unless you have been born again and filled with
Holy Spirit you cannot see it.


Isaiah 9:6

Titus 2:13

Hebrews 1:8
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
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"Well, at hearing these things, they were infuriated in their hearts and began to grind their teeth at him. 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” 57 At this they cried out at the top of their voices and put their hands over their ears and rushed at him all together. 58 After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul. 59 As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death.
" Ac7:54
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Jesus is identified here as the son of man, Gods Glory would be the Son of God

45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I tell you, he who believes has eternal life


And how did they hear the Father? from his WORD who became Jesus Christ
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Told you he would look to belittle the true essence of God. They litteraly hate and cringe to think God himself would have come, taking on the form of a mortal flesh, to dwell and live amongst humanity experiencing the pain, sorrow, and death that humanity does.
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"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." Jo1
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Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Man seen the Father via " The Son of Man" the Father was inside the mortal flesh that he "sent" God in the flesh.
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Re: If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
"God's Glory" is His own as I proved above

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was

this shows he had that glory with the father before the world was. How does it show it was The Heavenly Fathers own?





It's a shame that you folks don't even bother post book & chapter info when you post verses. This is a serious disrespect to others who are reading this thread

disrespect? it usually only takes some of the words of a scripture copied and pasted into a search engine to get its location in the word. If we were just working with the Bible and didn't have search engines then yes, but then we wouldn't be reading it here