If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?

So was Jesus created by God or what?

Yes. Anybody who says Jesus is the same person as God the Father or that he always co-existed with God is in error.

Also in error are those who say God took on human form and was born on earth through Mary.

That concept is straight out of Hinduism, i.e., they believe that every few thousand years the formless God takes on human form (called an 'avatar') and lives on earth as a human being.

I testify against you that this Jesus is God
incarnate.You will give an account for
leading souls into deception.You are a
card carrying member of the Jehovah's witness
cult. It's hard for you to kick against the pricks.


Titus 2:13

"Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious
appearing of the Great God and Savior Jesus Christ"

Isaiah 9:6 might help you "see"

Flattery is a transparent cheap shot idolatrous merry-go-round that will lead you right back where you started
"Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, 2 just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him. 3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Jo17:3

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Men are stupid.

Men seek not to believe.

Flood.

Fire.

The life of Jesus is just an allegory for the movement of the stars/constellations and the Sun.

God is without physical form and is therefore is sexless. What we call God is just a universal consciousness through which our closest connection to is within our own conscious.

So what's with the movement of stars?

Are you seriously asking? Because Jesus the Lord is that Spirit, the Creator, the uncreated God ("was God"). Then he made for himself a creation, a body, and dwelled therein ("was with God").

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Just a theory but I believe it has a lot to do with humans being created in the image of God. Body, Soul, and Spirit. Along with everything else.

Ok 10-4 thanks for the bible correction heads up, now brief Jesus.

The Sun rises under the constellation of Pices, more so during Winter, and is why there are a lot of references to feeding people with loaf of bread and 2 fish, he came across 2 fishermen, he is the Fisher of Men, etc within the bible.

December 22; Sun moves to its lowest point in the sky during High Noon and doesn't move for 3 days(death), perceivably, before moving up on December 25th(resurrection). When this happens, the Sun is near the constellation called the Southern Crux and is why it is said that Jesus died on the cross. In any event, we pass the middle point of Winter on Dec 25th and can assume more light, warmth, and the revitalizing conditions of Life that come during Spring is on its way. More Light to defeat the Dark, so to speak.

At the beginning of the Age of Pices, there were 3 kings/merchants that visit the birthplace of Jesus. They are merely the 3 stars in Orion's belt that point to the North Star(Sirius) which ultimately points to where the Sun will rise on Dec 25th(or every morning for that matter) during the Age of Pices.

These Ages last about 2050+ years. So, if the life of Jesus was the signaling of us moving from the Age of Aries into the Age of Pices, then we can extrapolate that Pices is coming to an end and a new change in the rift of time will compel us to move on to Aquarius with a new solar deity.

Ok thanks, I hope stars don't hypnotize/control me from the beyond,according to their personal agenda.

It doesn't, the word translated as beginning in the Greek is "Arche' - Every single time that the word 'Arche' is used in Reference to a person in the New Testament, it is translated as principality / (A Ruler!!!)

Rev 3:14
And unto the angel of the Congregation of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Arche G746 of the creation of God;

Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Arche G746 against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Col 1:16
For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or Arche G746 or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:

Col 2:10
And ye are complete in Him, which is The Head of all Arche G746 and power:

Col 2:15
And having spoiled "Arche G746 " and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Tit 3:1
Put them in mind to be subject to Arche G746 and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Every time.

Rev 3:14
And unto the angel of the Congregation of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, The Ruler of the creation of God;

The wrath of God abides upon you, you are dead in sin!!!

The worst sin, preaching another Gospel!!!

Anathema

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Bookmarked - And five stars, so that more people might see how deceptive the 'scholars' are that make up WBTS theology, there is no Truth in them!!!

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Jde 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Adonai rebuke thee.

Archangel - Chief / One of the ruling Angels - And he is not YESHUA like WBTS doctrine of demons says, Michael dared not bring an accusation against satan, YESHUA rebuked him, no problem.

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It says this in the New World Translation because Freemason Charles Taze Russell was a masonic deceiver, who wrote and butchered his own translation of the KJV. Russell admitted in court that he neither knew Hebrew nor Greek.

A more accurate rendering of the Greek passage:

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation." Revelation 3:14

You can't dismiss one part of the Bible in favor of another. I see people do this all the time because they find something that supports their position and it's wrong.

The bible says Jesus created EVERYTHING that was created so He could not be created.

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Adam, the first human, was created perfect from the dust of the ground. But Adam disobeyed and brought sin into the world. Jesus is the "last Adam" in the sense that He was the last man who did not have a sin nature. Although He was like Adam in that He did not have a sin nature He was different from Adam in that Jesus was from heaven. Consequently Jesus was able to be the sinless sacrifice for the sins of the world.

" He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens" Col1:13

Firstborn does not mean first created. Firstborn is a title denoting inheritance

He made it all, and is the heir, everything belongs to Him.

Israel is His son, His Firstborn.

Exo 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith YHWH, Israel is my son, even My firstborn:

Ephraim is His son, His firstborn

Jer 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.

David is His firstborn

Psa 89:27
Also I will make him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

And like pharaoh you might have hardened yourself beyond redemption - hardened permanently as you desired.

A creator creates
His own creation
In which he as creator comes into his creation and does the work of creation

Jesus is still uncreated, yet He is the beginning of all creation.

The Father created all things through the personage of Jesus, and made everything yield to Jesus. Everything is His, whether thrones, principalities, thrones, or dominions... all serve Jesus.

He is the firstborn over creation. Not that He has a beginning, but that He has the birth right, the first born.

"So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." Jo1;14

Yahweh is coming...pack your things its cold in HELL.. for now

The GOSPEL in the First Word of the Bible

Genesis 1:1

First Word

B'reshyt - Bet Resh Aleph Shin Yad Taw Six letters that spell the first Word/Phrase in the scriptures, that is translated in English as "In the beginning."

Enlarged Bet in the Torah Scrolls_ The Pictograph (P.) is a House/Family

Bet-Resh The first two letters spell Bar - Son H1247 (P.) the head of man - *First

Bet-Resh-Aleph The first three letters spell Bara - Created H1254 (P.) Ox Strength (The 2nd Word in the Scriptures)

The First three ~ House Son Created

The 4th letter is a Shin; Sharp, Press, and Two H8127 (P.) two front teeth, the Root is H8150 c. Pierce

The 4th and 5th, Shin-Yad spell, Shay Gift or Present H7862 (P.) Arm

The 4th, 5th and 6th, Shin Yad Taw spell Shiyt Set, Appointed H7896 (P.) Cross

House Son created, two pierced arm(s) gift appointed cross

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Pictographicly

YHWH - Arm Behold Nail Behold

The Son

Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Bar/Son

All in One

Bet ~ Bar ~ Son

Resh ~ Ruach ~ Spirit

Aleph ~ AB ~ Father

Let Us make man in Our Image

Shema Yisrael YAHUWAH Eloheinu YAHUWAH Echad