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Message Subject If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
 Quoting: DGN



just because he is the beginning of creation doesn't mean he was created

others have shown here with scripture how he WAS before creation

2 keys to understanding. 1 what he was? 2 what he is?



John said he WAS (past tense) the WORD! if he WAS(past tense) GOD or a God is a diff subject. We should all agree he was the WORD with GOD


Jesus himself said in John chapter 8 that he was the Light of the world


Do we have a place in scripture where the 2 intersect,or what are the first 2 instances we see GOD Speaking(His WORD) and Light

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

so his spoken WORD became the light of the world

John 8:12 12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.

light of life?

prov2027The spirit of a man is the lamp of the LORD, searching out his inmost being.

mat621For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 22The eye is the lamp of the body. If your vision is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your vision is poor, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.

Did Adam follow that light that was within him?
Did he lose that light at the moment of sin or did he lose the active force(HOLY SPIRIT)?

3So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”

Did these men have the active force in there life?
Did Noah have the active force?

Hebrews 13:5 5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."
Deuteronomy 31:8 8The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."
Joshua 1:5 5No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.

Is it the Father,his son,or the active force that will never leave us?
 
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