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Message Subject If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
Poster Handle TheLordsServant
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Who did Jesus say is his God and his disciples God?

"Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew: “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher!”) 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene came and brought the news to the disciples: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them what he had said to her." Jo20:16
 Quoting: DGN

Don't you realize that Jesus is the living Word of God, and that The living Word of God became a man? Do you realize that every single time the Old Testament says, "and the Word of the Lord came unto...." that THAT was Jesus? Jesus IS God's Words come to life. They cannot be separated in that sense.

When Jesus speaks, it's God who speaks.

John 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus tells Philip that by seeing Him (Jesus) you have seen the Father:

John 14:7-9
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus says in John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

If you had the power to cause your very words, which come from your brain in the form of thoughts, to be embodied in human form, would that human who speaks your words not still be YOU? Or would he be someone else? Answer that question truthfully and you'll understand.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld


Yes God's only begotten son is his word or spokesman.
 Quoting: DGN


Correct, which makes Him God, the I Am.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The Pharisees understood what Jesus was claiming because right after he said that:

John 8:59
Then took they up stones to cast at him......
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld


Jesus is NOT the "I Am".

At NO POINT in scripture does Jesus proclaim "I AM GOD".

All you are doing is parroting a couple of others in this topic. Have you read any of the responses to their posts?

Who forgives our sins? Jesus TELLS us.

Matthew 6

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


Jesus also said all of these

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19
 
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