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Message Subject If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
Poster Handle yesterdays dust
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
 Quoting: DGN


YOUR IF.....is not based on Bible.....

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Word = LOGOS not Jesus


Amen is not Jesus.... amen means 'so be it'.....

LOGOS is the beginning........IT is the 'so be it'...verified in Gen. 1 when it is written.....

God said, 'let there be light' ...... let as in 'so be it' ....
 Quoting: yesterdays dust


Whose Jehovah?
 Quoting: DGN


The question 'who is Jehovah?' ..... assumes that we think at our lowest capability as men. Thinking at its lowest ability is a collection of fractured thoughts.... or individual things unrelated to each other and not part of a whole or ONE...... this is a collection of KNOWLEDGE.....which is BOTH useful for GOOD and EVIL.

The BIBLE is all about ONE being......and all words are always PLURAL....

The beginning speaks of GOD....ELOHIM.....(plural)....explained as US for simplification.

The Bible explains the progress of US from a dead image to a living being. For the knowledge collectors it uses WORD(s)/LOGOS to speak about US as the stories about Them...the actors in the story.

The Bible refers to the names of the activity of the Divine in this world as the names of God....to show US how we change from a dead image to a living being.

God as the WORD/LOGOS in the beginning is like US who develop our vocabulary of WORDs to build our world as we grow from babies.

HERE what for it..........

LORD/Jehovah is the 2nd reference to the activity of the DIVINE on/IN earth.

GOD/Elohim 'creates' everything with LOGOS/WORD. A bag full of fractured knowledge.

Jehovah/LORD 'FORMS' all LOGOS/Word(s) into an understanding of info useful in the maturing the creations of God (males and females) into mature MAN and WOMAN.

God/Elohim is plural .....Lord/Jehovah is plural.....describing the growth of US.

God created everything that degrades and dies.

Lord forms everything by killing everything.

more to the story!

Thus the need for JESUS to follow and CHRIST coming.
 
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