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They Used To Say Politics Has No Place In Business...

 
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dude you know how many things came about due to underhanded means and not naturally though a free market? Again, corruption in business and political bias in business IS NOTHING NEW. IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AGES.

if you think there is no free market anymore, then tell me, in your opinion, when was the market actually free and what evidence do you have to support it ACTUALLY was free?

Again, you struggle with basic reading comprehension, I have never said you can topple the elite by starting up a company… all I have said is if you do not like a particular business and how they run their business, you have every right to start up a competing one.

And again I have not once branded ANY kind of solution as socialism, I have branded THE ONE solution offered so far in this thread and regarding this subject, of asking the government to intervene, socialism, because that is WHAT IT IS… and I bring it up because of the hypocrisy of conservatives saying they want to bring down socialist BY USING A SOCIALIST POLICY OF GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN PRIVATE BUSINESS…that it why I bring it up because you are being a hypocrite if you want to stop socialism through the use of socialism… apparently I need to spell out the obvious for you.

the fact that you, like so many these days, think anyone who does not share your IDENTICAL opinions MUST BE SHILLING is proof you are not using critical thinking… who am I shilling for? who is paying me? According to the internet these days ANY person who says something that another persons disagrees with proves that other person is a shill… this is a irrational, unfounded, asinine argument to make when talking to someone who does not share your IDENTICAL thoughts on an issue
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


You are being intellectually dishonest. I never said that corruption was "new", but corruption on this scale certainly is "new" for most western countries. Today, evil walks openly and good is forced to hide. In the past, it was the other way around.

We mostly certainly have had free markets in the west, for a very short time. Eventually they come under varying degrees of control. Once again, the difference between now and the past is of scale. It should be obvious that the controlling elite have more control today than they did a decade ago, and back then they had more control than they did a decade before that.

When did I say that you claimed that you could topple the controlling elite by starting a company? You are deflecting hard. You proposed starting up a new business as a solution to the current problem knowing full well that the left has a stranglehold on the market and that underhanded means will be used to destroy anybody who attempts to compete.

This is not a problem that can be solved by playing into their corrupt system and you know it. If the government were to break up the widespread leftist stranglehold over the media, then I could not care less if you call it "socialism". It would be a good thing.

There is no hypocrisy in wanting to wield the government against the left because the primary reason I would want to wield the government against the left would not be to stop "socialism", but to fight back against the evil forces that have infiltrated an taken hold of our republic. I believe we are in a state of emergency.

You come on here and try to tell people that the left and right are "the same". You pretend that there are no issues and complications in just openly competing against a system of corruption. You are not woke.

People like you are the reason why AC posting was disabled. Thankfully, most ACs are not like you.
 Quoting: WalrusRider


you keep sayingI am saying it is a simple solution to defeat the elite leftist running the world by starting a company

when all i have said is if you do not like paypal stop using it and/or start up a competitor

I am not talking abotu toppling the powers that be, YOU ARE

All i have been saying is if you do not like the way a company does business or that companys politics, then stop using them and/or start your own

and if you do not understand how wanting the government to regulate private business and how tha tis a socialist ideal, and how it is hypocritical to say you are against socialism and then in the same breath ask for a socialist solution, then you need a dictionary and a history book.

the left and right want different things… one likes guns, one does not…one is okay with abortion, one is not… but int he end the two parties are controlled by the same power.

here you too can read this simple quote from carrol quigley and see exactly what the powers that be think about the two parties:

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
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The most amazing thing, and still the most amazing thing, is most of the Never Trumpers weren't liberals, left wing or Hillary tards, but "conservatives" shitting on other conservatives worse than Hillary tards.

Conservatives don't shit on other conservatives especially when the presidential race is with a flaming Bolshevik liberal like Hillary Clinton.
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Some anti-Trumpers in 2016 were legitimate conservatives/rightwingers concerned that Trump was a closeted liberal New Yorker. Today, however, anti-Trumpers, although a handful of them may be coming at the president from the right, are often liberals masquerading as rightists. People who are actually unhappy about Trump because he isn't a flaming liberal as his predecessor was.


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Not sure if you'd wave off the issue if it were rightwing people being casually dishonest and happily unethical about aspects of society that didn't stroke and soothe their conservative biases.

There was some of that decades ago during the McCarthy era when ultra-liberals - in Hollywood - were being singled out for criticism and censure. The blacklisting of leftists did occur.

The moral equivalency of left and right - then and now - would be correct and fair if most shitted-up American cities were dominated by the right, not the left---then and now.

Treating the sociopolitical left as somehow no worse than the right would make sense if most of the ruthless tyrants and misery-laden societies over the past 100 years had been of the right, not the left.

Even Hitler, who the left has liked hanging on the right, had a lot of traits of a leftist, not a rightist.

That's why today's leftist counterpart to the McCarthy era isn't parallel. Not when nations like Venezuela today or the Soviet Union/Red China/Cuba in the past have been of the left, not the right.





 Quoting: CSnow


.dude, again, I do not subscribe to a left or right ideology like you all.

You are on a conspiracy site.

Conspiracy 101, both parties are two sides of the same coin, two wings of the same bird.

the powers that be use polarizing subjects like conservative vs liberal, or capitalism vs socialism, or shia vs sunni to control and steer the masses

it is alarming that on a so-called conspiracy site the majority of glpers cant seem to figure out conspiracy 101
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


There is clearly a left/right ideology. Its just that it has little to do with the two American political parties, which pre-Trump were effectively one party.

Here's a clue. Conspiracy 101 doesn't substitute for reading and studying history and politics. For example, Jay's Analysis did a multi-hour exhaustive review of Dr. Carol Quigly's "Tragedy and Hope."

If you want to claim conspiracy points, then put some effort in that classic 800 page tome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77357261


I have it on my book shelf you tardand Tragedy and Hope EXPLAINS how the elite use the two parties to divide the people, something you would know if you actually read it

but here you go in one simple quote from that 1311 page book, not 800 pages

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.


the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


So what? This is elementary. Quigley reveals what every one should already know or suspect.

That hardly means that there aren't real ideological difference nor does it mean that an entrenched establishment cannot be challenged by rival, competing elements within that establishment.

Not all dissent or competition is planned or fake or just theater for the masses.
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The president of the US, be it Donald Trump, or anyone, does not have the same issues as the billions of other people who are not high officials of national governments, there are many different elements to how a president or prime minister of a nation uses social media and what that all entails.

But look at your argument, in the same breath you are saying it is wrong for twitter or platforms to ban people they do not like, you are making the case that trump should be allowed to block or ban people he does not like.

Everyone online censors. How many people who use twitter, block people? How many people who have a youtube channel censor the comments and block people? How many people on Facebook block and remove comments? On glp in threads users make, they have the right to ban users from commenting in the thread and deleting the comments

Twitter and Youtube are not the public square. They are PRIVATE BUSINESSES that offer the service of a public square for free. But it is not a public square,it is a website built by a private individuals, who retain the right to do what they please with the thing THEY BUILT AND OWN.

If the government wants to create a social media platform that is a public square, then you would have a public square, same as if a city has a public square that is run by the city and not an individual business

the question is, do you want private businesses offering the service of a public square or the government? And if you say the government should run the public square then you are getting into socialism and suggesting the government has the right to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in the public square.

If a private company runs a public square service and decides to dictate what can and cannot be discussed and starts to censor, then the people have every right to abandon that and start a competing public square service

if the government runs a public square service and decides to dictate what can and cannot be discussed and start to censor, then you are fucked and have just handed the government the right to dictate what can and cannot be discussed

I am amazed that so-called conservatives are regularly calling for the intervention of the government into private business, it is a call to socialism, which according to glp and trump is something to be avoided at all costs and yet whenever this topic comes up, conservatives are leading a rallying charge for socialist regulation of private property and busniess
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I never said it was 'wrong' for Twitter to ban people (other than noting I didn't think it was a good business model) and I never said TRUMP should be able to block people. I merely stated that the issues are still largely unresolved.

Twitter is a publicly traded company. It is legally defined as a public company, not a private company. The rest of your post can be dismissed.
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it may be legally defined as a public company, that does not mean the public OWNS it, it means share holders have stock in it. You and I do not own twitter nor receive any profits from it… it is not owned by the public, does the public reap the financial benefits of twitter? Does all the money twitter makes go to the public?

glad to see you are fine dismissing the fact that calling for government regulation of private property and private business is socialism… just side step past all that and ignore it right, nothing to see here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


I do have stock in Twitter and many other social media companies. I do share in their success when the stock price goes up. I share in their failure when the stock price goes down.

The Constitution - specifically the First Amendment - provides Americans with the right to free speech. If a public company like Twitter restricts that right, the government ensuring their right to free speech is not socialism.
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how is twitter restricting anyones free speech? All the people kicked off twitter sure seem still able to speak freely and tell people they were kicked off twitter

all the people kicked off twitter are still free and able to say whatever they want, just not on twitter.

it is no different then being kicked out of bar for talking about politics the bar owner does not care for. You get kicked out of the bar and not allowed back in, but you can still say whatever you were saying, just not in that bar

and cool you own stock in twitter and benefit from it… the stock holders of twitter are NOT the public of the globe or the US. SO you may have stock, but how many of say the 300+ million of the US do? How many of the people of Canada do? Or Brazil?

x number of twitter stock holders do not equal the mass that is the public of the planet.

and if you are so against twitter banning people and think i tis wrong, then sell your fuckin stock otherwise you are fucking hypocrite who has a problem with how tiwtter does business, but no problem taking profit from how they do business
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Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
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You overly downplay the nature of the left in today's America. I'd sense you really were apolitical or sincerely into "pox on both their houses" if liberals/leftists throughout society in 2019 were similar to the way they were decades ago. But this is not your father's liberalism/leftism.

By not expressing more disgust with Obama-loving, Hillary-loving liberals in today's America is a weird form of damning the rightwing (or leftwing?) with faint praise.


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.dude, again, I do not subscribe to a left or right ideology like you all.

You are on a conspiracy site.

Conspiracy 101, both parties are two sides of the same coin, two wings of the same bird.

the powers that be use polarizing subjects like conservative vs liberal, or capitalism vs socialism, or shia vs sunni to control and steer the masses

it is alarming that on a so-called conspiracy site the majority of glpers cant seem to figure out conspiracy 101
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


There is clearly a left/right ideology. Its just that it has little to do with the two American political parties, which pre-Trump were effectively one party.

Here's a clue. Conspiracy 101 doesn't substitute for reading and studying history and politics. For example, Jay's Analysis did a multi-hour exhaustive review of Dr. Carol Quigly's "Tragedy and Hope."

If you want to claim conspiracy points, then put some effort in that classic 800 page tome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77357261


I have it on my book shelf you tardand Tragedy and Hope EXPLAINS how the elite use the two parties to divide the people, something you would know if you actually read it

but here you go in one simple quote from that 1311 page book, not 800 pages

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.


the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


So what? This is elementary. Quigley reveals what every one should already know or suspect.

That hardly means that there aren't real ideological difference nor does it mean that an entrenched establishment cannot be challenged by rival, competing elements within that establishment.

Not all dissent or competition is planned or fake or just theater for the masses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77357261


quigley reveals what everyone should already know and suspect, as you then support one of the two parties and spend all day and night supporting one fo the two parties on glp and ignore that trumps cabinet is full of the same agencies Quigley talked about that run every presidential admin

so if it is so elementary, why do you still fall for it and push that one of the two parties is better then the other and that the trump admin is somehow different from other admins, despite his cabinet full fo the same globalist banksters as every admin?
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this isn't really politics... it is religion... the left has convinced people that speech should not be free... that speech can cause harm to others or enable others to cause harm because it implicitly can support bad behavior...

somehow the idea that speech should be controlled and governed has been made mainstream... people are afraid to allow it, to be a part of it, to show that they actually think for themselves... I always wondered how the Jews in the Old Testament could have experienced God directly and then only a two or three generations later lose everything...fall off into paganism and eventual enslavement... our fallen condition it prone to this...

it is wrong-mindedness... it is insanity... but most of all it is a strong delusion due to increased godlessness and the consequences that play out...the creep of darkness into light.
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they sold out, money and power makes life more pleasant and easier and more fun! But it comes as a cost.

Faust was a lesson that few read or understood.

soon they will force most others to comply.. accept your socialist easy life which limits your ability to ascend or achieve your potential in place of security.. a security they determine believed acceptable to you based on decades of programming, testing and observation.

they understand how we think, work and operate but there is still that spark which they cannot control in some of us that dare to hope and dream for freedom, true freedom. Not without responsibility but embracing it willingly.
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Indeed, about Faust... what's interesting is how free will is always tantamount... just like how truth must out, free will is always required, even though how it is done often does not seem fair or straightforward... like this move to take away funding options from inconvenient internet voices.

I think that if the Christians on GLP start to pray about this issue, some even better form of funding will step up...which may come in the form of another controlled vendor, but it will happen.
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i think that christians on GLP need to explain why it is okay for Trump to be an adulterer who cheated on his wife with a porn star and playmates

kinda breaks one of the 10 commandments does it not?

thou shall not covet another mans wife?

and how about all this talk of family values amongst christians… since when is it a good christian family value to cheat on your wife with a porn star a few months after she gives birth to your son?
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Are you not familiar with the story of the adultress woman who the Pharisees brought to Jesus and asked him if she should be stoned for her sin of adultery?

Jesus' response was 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

Are you suggesting that Christians should follow Mosaic Law rather than the teachings of Jesus Christ?

...because that is just dumb.
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Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


You overly downplay the nature of the left in today's America. I'd sense you really were apolitical or sincerely into "pox on both their houses" if liberals/leftists throughout society in 2019 were similar to the way they were decades ago. But this is not your father's liberalism/leftism.

By not expressing more disgust with Obama-loving, Hillary-loving liberals in today's America is a weird form of damning the rightwing (or leftwing?) with faint praise.


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dude suck a dick, you do this every fuckin time… because you did not express more hate for obama and hillary, this proves you are a leftist… again, go suck a dick, you broken record

how is calling them war criminals who committed horrendous crimes against humanity not expressing more disgust, dipshit?
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they sold out, money and power makes life more pleasant and easier and more fun! But it comes as a cost.

Faust was a lesson that few read or understood.

soon they will force most others to comply.. accept your socialist easy life which limits your ability to ascend or achieve your potential in place of security.. a security they determine believed acceptable to you based on decades of programming, testing and observation.

they understand how we think, work and operate but there is still that spark which they cannot control in some of us that dare to hope and dream for freedom, true freedom. Not without responsibility but embracing it willingly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77359215



Indeed, about Faust... what's interesting is how free will is always tantamount... just like how truth must out, free will is always required, even though how it is done often does not seem fair or straightforward... like this move to take away funding options from inconvenient internet voices.

I think that if the Christians on GLP start to pray about this issue, some even better form of funding will step up...which may come in the form of another controlled vendor, but it will happen.
 Quoting: in spirit and in truth


i think that christians on GLP need to explain why it is okay for Trump to be an adulterer who cheated on his wife with a porn star and playmates

kinda breaks one of the 10 commandments does it not?

thou shall not covet another mans wife?

and how about all this talk of family values amongst christians… since when is it a good christian family value to cheat on your wife with a porn star a few months after she gives birth to your son?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


Are you not familiar with the story of the adultress woman who the Pharisees brought to Jesus and asked him if she should be stoned for her sin of adultery?

Jesus' response was 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

Are you suggesting that Christians should follow Mosaic Law rather than the teachings of Jesus Christ?

...because that is just dumb.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


no I am suggesting it makes no sense for christians to think a man who admitted he purposefully walks in on young women getting dressed at amiss america pageant because he can get away with it because he owns it, and a man who admitted he would sleep with his daughter if he could, and a man who bragged he can sexually assault women a and get away with it because he is famous, a man who admitted he paid off a pornstar he cheated on his wife with so his wife would not find out, I am suggesting it makes no sense why christians would support a man like that who calls himself a christian

everybody sins right, but the whole idea about a religion is you are supposed to abide by the moral standards established by the religion you claim to serve.

otherwise why not just do all kinds of immoral things and say hey forgive me
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It used to be that a business would intentionally NOT choose a side (at least publicly) because they didn't want to alienate half of their customer base..

It's really fucked up what this world has turned into.
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I seen this concept die in real time. When the population boom began in the late 70's early 80's, businesses realized they didn't have to cater to repeat business anymore. Suddenly if they lost one customer five more new ones walked through the door. Then this was piled on with the advent of the disposable product, now you had built in repeat bitness along with unlimited customer base, a businessman's wet dream.
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trin is just mad it is happening to him

if it was happening to some libtard, like say a kathy griffin, he would LOVE IT and say she deserves it

but when the same policies he enacts on glp happen to him, it is an outrageous offense of rights and freedom
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


I think that is the point many are trying to make. Trinity reflexes 'digs in' and accuses people of hating on GLP.

Perhaps we want to make the site better and are pointing out some of the ridiculous censorship that has occurred here in the past and present?

I disagree with de-platforming. I think it is a terrible business model. Does it deprive people of 'rights' they are entitled to? Probably not.
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No one is entitled to ANY platform.

Social media, GLP, these are PRIVATE PROPERTY built and maintained by PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS

no one has a right to social media, no where is that written anywhere on the planet

Private businesses like GLP or Youtube have every right to remove people from their PRIVATE PROPERTY for any reason they want

Does deplatforming suck, sure, but so does being kicked out of a bar or being asked to leave a party.

Now if the state came in and jailed Alex Jones and threw him in a cage for the rest of his life for speaking his mind, that is another issue

but kicking someone off your private property is an expression of the rights of the private property owner

Jones is still free to say whatever he wants to his millions of followers on HIS property, on HIS site

I cannot say a bar is taking away my free speech rights if they kick me out because they do not like my politics that I am talking about in their bar… they say get the fuck out and then I have the right to stand on the street outside the bar and protest that bar and say this business is anti-this or that
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¡¿Rilly people?! So "Private Companies" have the right to shut you down from their "proprietary goods and services" because they don't like you, what you say, what you stand for, what you are??

Yeah, ya know, like the diners in the south that refused to serve blacks-- they were "Private Companies" with the right to do exactly that!! /s


So yeah, them "deplatforming" truly independent expression is their right, B-cuz their "Private Companies" /s

And when all those "Private Companies" won't allow you to engage in any commerce to include buying food, that's their right, because they're "Private Companies" /s

And you've really thought this through so much, that this is how it could and would (if not "should"?) turn out, because the bank that issues our "legal tender" money just happens to be a "Private Company." /s


another doGoofy Thumanother do
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so if it is so elementary, why do you still fall for it and push that one of the two parties is better then the other and that the trump admin is somehow different from other admins, despite his cabinet full fo the same globalist banksters as every admin?
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Your point would have more strength if Obama hadn't been the most leftwing president in US history, both culturally/socially and politically. But his "goddamn America" ethos went way beyond where any of his predecessors had ever been.

I would be more passive about politics in the US today if many signs of socioeconomic corruption and decline weren't so evident. But when I see stories about corporations being happily unethical and dishonest in the way they deal with customers, hear about incidents like flaming-liberal-homosexual transvestites reading books to children in public libraries, and learn that the former Boy Scouts of America wants to hand out condoms at its upcoming national gathering, I know we've gone one step too far.


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You used to trust the news too.
Now all you have is fake news to trust.
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They literally legalized weaponized propaganda against the American Citizen during the Obama admin.
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Yes. This needs to be overturned and the Telecom Act of 1996 revisited. Monopolies are not allowed in business, it should be illegal for just 6 media companies to deliver all news. (And it's probably more consolidated than that if you dig deeper.)
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you keep sayingI am saying it is a simple solution to defeat the elite leftist running the world by starting a company

when all i have said is if you do not like paypal stop using it and/or start up a competitor

I am not talking abotu toppling the powers that be, YOU ARE

All i have been saying is if you do not like the way a company does business or that companys politics, then stop using them and/or start your own

and if you do not understand how wanting the government to regulate private business and how tha tis a socialist ideal, and how it is hypocritical to say you are against socialism and then in the same breath ask for a socialist solution, then you need a dictionary and a history book.

the left and right want different things… one likes guns, one does not…one is okay with abortion, one is not… but int he end the two parties are controlled by the same power.

here you too can read this simple quote from carrol quigley and see exactly what the powers that be think about the two parties:

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
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If you are acknowledging that starting a company is not a viable solution to the problem, then you're not proposing a solution at all. You're just telling people that if the left has a stranglehold on payment services due to underhanded means, that they should just start their own company even though you know that is not a viable solution. That's a bit like Marie-Antoinette saying "let them eat cake".

We are in a state of emergency. Our system has been infiltrated on a scale never before seen, and you are telling people that trying to get the government to intervene and fight back is bad because that would be "socialism", and apparently that is worse than letting the left continue to have that stranglehold over society. So we should all just let the left continue to brainwash our youth and poison the minds of people while they squelch us on a massive scale....riiight.

I told you in my previous response that my primary reason for wanting government intervention is not to fight "socialism", but rather to fight against the forces that have taken control of our republic. So, there's nothing hypocritical about my stance.

You continue to push the narrative that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin, and if you were only saying that politicians from both sides are owned by the elite, then you would have a point, but you are going beyond that.

Leftist ideology exists, and it is leftist ideology that the elite wield to push their agenda. Without widespread acceptance of leftist insanity, the elite could not do what they are doing. Leftism is the weapon that is being used to destroy our people.

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dude suck a dick, you do this every fuckin time… because you did not express more hate for obama and hillary, this proves you are a leftist… again, go suck a dick, you broken record

how is calling them war criminals who committed horrendous crimes against humanity not expressing more disgust, dipshit?
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Struck a chord?

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

If you truly were disgusted with sleazy liberals, you wouldn't react so defensively to claim you really were.


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I never said it was 'wrong' for Twitter to ban people (other than noting I didn't think it was a good business model) and I never said TRUMP should be able to block people. I merely stated that the issues are still largely unresolved.

Twitter is a publicly traded company. It is legally defined as a public company, not a private company. The rest of your post can be dismissed.
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it may be legally defined as a public company, that does not mean the public OWNS it, it means share holders have stock in it. You and I do not own twitter nor receive any profits from it… it is not owned by the public, does the public reap the financial benefits of twitter? Does all the money twitter makes go to the public?

glad to see you are fine dismissing the fact that calling for government regulation of private property and private business is socialism… just side step past all that and ignore it right, nothing to see here
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I do have stock in Twitter and many other social media companies. I do share in their success when the stock price goes up. I share in their failure when the stock price goes down.

The Constitution - specifically the First Amendment - provides Americans with the right to free speech. If a public company like Twitter restricts that right, the government ensuring their right to free speech is not socialism.
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how is twitter restricting anyones free speech? All the people kicked off twitter sure seem still able to speak freely and tell people they were kicked off twitter

all the people kicked off twitter are still free and able to say whatever they want, just not on twitter.

it is no different then being kicked out of bar for talking about politics the bar owner does not care for. You get kicked out of the bar and not allowed back in, but you can still say whatever you were saying, just not in that bar

and cool you own stock in twitter and benefit from it… the stock holders of twitter are NOT the public of the globe or the US. SO you may have stock, but how many of say the 300+ million of the US do? How many of the people of Canada do? Or Brazil?

x number of twitter stock holders do not equal the mass that is the public of the planet.

and if you are so against twitter banning people and think i tis wrong, then sell your fuckin stock otherwise you are fucking hypocrite who has a problem with how tiwtter does business, but no problem taking profit from how they do business
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How about we do a Mueller style investigation of Twitter, its management, foreign owners and determine if foreign nationals are using Twitter to influence American elections.

Sorry. A fucking bar room doesn't effect national politics. A Saudi multi-billionaire owning large blocks of Twitter stock likely can, does and has through ban policies.
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Now a days they say you can't do business unless you adhere to our politics.

This is just crazy.

It used to be that a business would intentionally NOT choose a side (at least publicly) because they didn't want to alienate half of their customer base..

But now?

They are saying, "Your money is no good here".

It's fucking discrimination is what it is.

You couldn't do that to a black man or a gay man..

But a man who practices free speech, protected by the United States Constitution?

That's fair game.

We'll allow discrimination against he who dares speak against the propagandized main stream agenda...

We really are in uncharted territory here guys.

They control everything, the media, the payment processors, advertising, you name it they control 95% of the market in it.

Sure you can go underground and use 2nd and 3rd tier alternatives but by that time you've been marginalized to such a degree that you're out of the game.

And that's what they want..

They want us out of the game.

They want to limit our sphere of influence and prevent another propaganda failure like they had with Hillary Clinton in the last election.

These people are dirty rotten scumbags who hold no moral compass yet pretend to be the most moral among us.

It's really fucked up what this world has turned into.
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It's definitely all the love for President Trump around here that's triggering this.

However, discussions about topics like Flat Earth truth, the Moon Landing Hoax, the Mandela Effect, Spirituality/Enlightenment, etc. are also problematic for [Them] because these topics are Awakening people to ideas beyond the force-fed agenda.
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There is clearly a left/right ideology. Its just that it has little to do with the two American political parties, which pre-Trump were effectively one party.

Here's a clue. Conspiracy 101 doesn't substitute for reading and studying history and politics. For example, Jay's Analysis did a multi-hour exhaustive review of Dr. Carol Quigly's "Tragedy and Hope."

If you want to claim conspiracy points, then put some effort in that classic 800 page tome.
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I have it on my book shelf you tardand Tragedy and Hope EXPLAINS how the elite use the two parties to divide the people, something you would know if you actually read it

but here you go in one simple quote from that 1311 page book, not 800 pages

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.


the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


So what? This is elementary. Quigley reveals what every one should already know or suspect.

That hardly means that there aren't real ideological difference nor does it mean that an entrenched establishment cannot be challenged by rival, competing elements within that establishment.

Not all dissent or competition is planned or fake or just theater for the masses.
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quigley reveals what everyone should already know and suspect, as you then support one of the two parties and spend all day and night supporting one fo the two parties on glp and ignore that trumps cabinet is full of the same agencies Quigley talked about that run every presidential admin

so if it is so elementary, why do you still fall for it and push that one of the two parties is better then the other and that the trump admin is somehow different from other admins, despite his cabinet full fo the same globalist banksters as every admin?
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No. Don't tell me what I do. Because you don't know.

Tell me your candidate, your plan, your path forward. You ain't my motherfucking judge, biotch.

Put your own cards on the table. Lets see what you got and if what you got is any better than trusting Trump to do what is right.

If you ain't got shit, but doom and despair, then say so.
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trin is just mad it is happening to him

if it was happening to some libtard, like say a kathy griffin, he would LOVE IT and say she deserves it

but when the same policies he enacts on glp happen to him, it is an outrageous offense of rights and freedom
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I think that is the point many are trying to make. Trinity reflexes 'digs in' and accuses people of hating on GLP.

Perhaps we want to make the site better and are pointing out some of the ridiculous censorship that has occurred here in the past and present?

I disagree with de-platforming. I think it is a terrible business model. Does it deprive people of 'rights' they are entitled to? Probably not.
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No one is entitled to ANY platform.

Social media, GLP, these are PRIVATE PROPERTY built and maintained by PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS

no one has a right to social media, no where is that written anywhere on the planet

Private businesses like GLP or Youtube have every right to remove people from their PRIVATE PROPERTY for any reason they want

Does deplatforming suck, sure, but so does being kicked out of a bar or being asked to leave a party.

Now if the state came in and jailed Alex Jones and threw him in a cage for the rest of his life for speaking his mind, that is another issue

but kicking someone off your private property is an expression of the rights of the private property owner

Jones is still free to say whatever he wants to his millions of followers on HIS property, on HIS site

I cannot say a bar is taking away my free speech rights if they kick me out because they do not like my politics that I am talking about in their bar… they say get the fuck out and then I have the right to stand on the street outside the bar and protest that bar and say this business is anti-this or that
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¡¿Rilly people?! So "Private Companies" have the right to shut you down from their "proprietary goods and services" because they don't like you, what you say, what you stand for, what you are??

Yeah, ya know, like the diners in the south that refused to serve blacks-- they were "Private Companies" with the right to do exactly that!! /s


So yeah, them "deplatforming" truly independent expression is their right, B-cuz their "Private Companies" /s

And when all those "Private Companies" won't allow you to engage in any commerce to include buying food, that's their right, because they're "Private Companies" /s

And you've really thought this through so much, that this is how it could and would (if not "should"?) turn out, because the bank that issues our "legal tender" money just happens to be a "Private Company." /s


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yeah they had civil rights cases to stop private businesses for discriminating against a person for their race

so far there have been no case saying a pirvate business cannot discriminate against someones politics.

you choose your political views, you do not choose your race.

you choose to define who you are by a political ideology, so believe it our not your beliefs are not who you are, cause guess what, your belief schange all the time. You once believe in santa claus… did that belief define you as who and what you are? NOPE it is just a belief, the only weight it has is what you give it and what it means to you.

they can deplatform anyone same as a bar can kick you out… if alex jones went into a bar and did his schtick ranting and raving an dpounding the table… the bar could ask him to leave, and if he did not, theyd call the cops and he would be removed.

truly independent expression is not truly independent if it IS DEPENDENT on some platform in order to be expressed. If you need youtube or twitter to express, you are DEPENDENT upon the platform that YOU DID NOT MAKE NOR MAINTAIN AND DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU

truly independent expression happens INDEPENDENT OF NEEDING SOME PLACE TO EXPRESS IT…. hence it being truly independent

and nice straw man there bringing up the fed is privately owned… no shit sherlock
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Saying the two parties and leftwing and rightwing are similar - or more alike than different - in 2019 America is a joke. A total joke unless the claim is the two groups are both ending up too liberal/leftwing.

Claiming liberals and conservatives are the opposite sides of the same coin is similar to saying that a drugged-out, hooking, shoplifting mother is as bad as a mother who doesn't vacuum and wash the dishes everyday.


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I never said it was 'wrong' for Twitter to ban people (other than noting I didn't think it was a good business model) and I never said TRUMP should be able to block people. I merely stated that the issues are still largely unresolved.

Twitter is a publicly traded company. It is legally defined as a public company, not a private company. The rest of your post can be dismissed.
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it may be legally defined as a public company, that does not mean the public OWNS it, it means share holders have stock in it. You and I do not own twitter nor receive any profits from it… it is not owned by the public, does the public reap the financial benefits of twitter? Does all the money twitter makes go to the public?

glad to see you are fine dismissing the fact that calling for government regulation of private property and private business is socialism… just side step past all that and ignore it right, nothing to see here
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I do have stock in Twitter and many other social media companies. I do share in their success when the stock price goes up. I share in their failure when the stock price goes down.

The Constitution - specifically the First Amendment - provides Americans with the right to free speech. If a public company like Twitter restricts that right, the government ensuring their right to free speech is not socialism.
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how is twitter restricting anyones free speech? All the people kicked off twitter sure seem still able to speak freely and tell people they were kicked off twitter

all the people kicked off twitter are still free and able to say whatever they want, just not on twitter.

it is no different then being kicked out of bar for talking about politics the bar owner does not care for. You get kicked out of the bar and not allowed back in, but you can still say whatever you were saying, just not in that bar

and cool you own stock in twitter and benefit from it… the stock holders of twitter are NOT the public of the globe or the US. SO you may have stock, but how many of say the 300+ million of the US do? How many of the people of Canada do? Or Brazil?

x number of twitter stock holders do not equal the mass that is the public of the planet.

and if you are so against twitter banning people and think i tis wrong, then sell your fuckin stock otherwise you are fucking hypocrite who has a problem with how tiwtter does business, but no problem taking profit from how they do business
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For starters, I am not declaring that Twitter cannot suspend accounts. It is a question that is likely to be resolved thru the courts.

...but if Donald TRUMP can't block people from his Twitter account because it is a 'public forum' then it stands to reason that Twitter should not be banning any user for that same reason.

You claim Twitter is not violating anybody's right to free speech because they can still have free speech elsewhere. How does that not apply to Donald TRUMP blocking users?

Courts already ruled on TRUMP blocking users and declared he cannot block them because it is a PUBLIC FORUM. If it is a public forum, then Twitter should not be banning users.

Twitter may argue that 'violations of TOS' are the reason they are suspending people - but IMO they are clearly not enforcing the TOS fairly and evenly.
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I have it on my book shelf you tardand Tragedy and Hope EXPLAINS how the elite use the two parties to divide the people, something you would know if you actually read it

but here you go in one simple quote from that 1311 page book, not 800 pages

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.


the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy

the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy
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So what? This is elementary. Quigley reveals what every one should already know or suspect.

That hardly means that there aren't real ideological difference nor does it mean that an entrenched establishment cannot be challenged by rival, competing elements within that establishment.

Not all dissent or competition is planned or fake or just theater for the masses.
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quigley reveals what everyone should already know and suspect, as you then support one of the two parties and spend all day and night supporting one fo the two parties on glp and ignore that trumps cabinet is full of the same agencies Quigley talked about that run every presidential admin

so if it is so elementary, why do you still fall for it and push that one of the two parties is better then the other and that the trump admin is somehow different from other admins, despite his cabinet full fo the same globalist banksters as every admin?
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No. Don't tell me what I do. Because you don't know.

Tell me your candidate, your plan, your path forward. You ain't my motherfucking judge, biotch.

Put your own cards on the table. Lets see what you got and if what you got is any better than trusting Trump to do what is right.

If you ain't got shit, but doom and despair, then say so.
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you just couldnt resist loretta, you were doign so good there having what appeared to be a real conversation but theloretta in you was too strong

go to bed loretta, youre drunk
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Now a days they say you can't do business unless you adhere to our politics.

This is just crazy.

It used to be that a business would intentionally NOT choose a side (at least publicly) because they didn't want to alienate half of their customer base..

But now?

They are saying, "Your money is no good here".

It's fucking discrimination is what it is.

You couldn't do that to a black man or a gay man..

But a man who practices free speech, protected by the United States Constitution?

That's fair game.

We'll allow discrimination against he who dares speak against the propagandized main stream agenda...

We really are in uncharted territory here guys.

They control everything, the media, the payment processors, advertising, you name it they control 95% of the market in it.

Sure you can go underground and use 2nd and 3rd tier alternatives but by that time you've been marginalized to such a degree that you're out of the game.

And that's what they want..

They want us out of the game.

They want to limit our sphere of influence and prevent another propaganda failure like they had with Hillary Clinton in the last election.

These people are dirty rotten scumbags who hold no moral compass yet pretend to be the most moral among us.

It's really fucked up what this world has turned into.
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Yeah Trin, well as I was an independent voice that got banned from your "proprietary forum" for what I said that you and your "echo chamber crew" didn't dig, well I do have to pipe up to say that karma can be a bitch........ ohyeah

Awright, now that I've said that, perhaps we can focus on solutions.

Here's my take: Get to know folks in your localities that are people of power-- they can be local politicos, state level pols, national level politicians, local business players, bigger time king makers, big business types, even to big-time biz corporate magnates. Figure out who is with you and who is likely against you and your values--put those folks on a list to TAKE THEM OUT!!!

I'm talking take them and their family members out to, you know, a nice lunch or outing or something, not anything bad or nefarious or illegal like killing 'em!!!

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I think that is the point many are trying to make. Trinity reflexes 'digs in' and accuses people of hating on GLP.

Perhaps we want to make the site better and are pointing out some of the ridiculous censorship that has occurred here in the past and present?

I disagree with de-platforming. I think it is a terrible business model. Does it deprive people of 'rights' they are entitled to? Probably not.
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No one is entitled to ANY platform.

Social media, GLP, these are PRIVATE PROPERTY built and maintained by PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS

no one has a right to social media, no where is that written anywhere on the planet

Private businesses like GLP or Youtube have every right to remove people from their PRIVATE PROPERTY for any reason they want

Does deplatforming suck, sure, but so does being kicked out of a bar or being asked to leave a party.

Now if the state came in and jailed Alex Jones and threw him in a cage for the rest of his life for speaking his mind, that is another issue

but kicking someone off your private property is an expression of the rights of the private property owner

Jones is still free to say whatever he wants to his millions of followers on HIS property, on HIS site

I cannot say a bar is taking away my free speech rights if they kick me out because they do not like my politics that I am talking about in their bar… they say get the fuck out and then I have the right to stand on the street outside the bar and protest that bar and say this business is anti-this or that
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¡¿Rilly people?! So "Private Companies" have the right to shut you down from their "proprietary goods and services" because they don't like you, what you say, what you stand for, what you are??

Yeah, ya know, like the diners in the south that refused to serve blacks-- they were "Private Companies" with the right to do exactly that!! /s


So yeah, them "deplatforming" truly independent expression is their right, B-cuz their "Private Companies" /s

And when all those "Private Companies" won't allow you to engage in any commerce to include buying food, that's their right, because they're "Private Companies" /s

And you've really thought this through so much, that this is how it could and would (if not "should"?) turn out, because the bank that issues our "legal tender" money just happens to be a "Private Company." /s


another doGoofy Thumanother do
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yeah they had civil rights cases to stop private businesses for discriminating against a person for their race

so far there have been no case saying a pirvate business cannot discriminate against someones politics.

you choose your political views, you do not choose your race.

you choose to define who you are by a political ideology, so believe it our not your beliefs are not who you are, cause guess what, your belief schange all the time. You once believe in santa claus… did that belief define you as who and what you are? NOPE it is just a belief, the only weight it has is what you give it and what it means to you.

they can deplatform anyone same as a bar can kick you out… if alex jones went into a bar and did his schtick ranting and raving an dpounding the table… the bar could ask him to leave, and if he did not, theyd call the cops and he would be removed.

truly independent expression is not truly independent if it IS DEPENDENT on some platform in order to be expressed. If you need youtube or twitter to express, you are DEPENDENT upon the platform that YOU DID NOT MAKE NOR MAINTAIN AND DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU

truly independent expression happens INDEPENDENT OF NEEDING SOME PLACE TO EXPRESS IT…. hence it being truly independent

and nice straw man there bringing up the fed is privately owned… no shit sherlock
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75061471


Is a private internet company engaged in interstate commerce?

Is this private company using the common public square which is the internet?

Clearly we can't have a working principle that foreign countries (Russia) influencing American presidential elections is a major crime, while having foreign owned social media companies influencing American elections.

Something has to give.
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So what? This is elementary. Quigley reveals what every one should already know or suspect.

That hardly means that there aren't real ideological difference nor does it mean that an entrenched establishment cannot be challenged by rival, competing elements within that establishment.

Not all dissent or competition is planned or fake or just theater for the masses.
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quigley reveals what everyone should already know and suspect, as you then support one of the two parties and spend all day and night supporting one fo the two parties on glp and ignore that trumps cabinet is full of the same agencies Quigley talked about that run every presidential admin

so if it is so elementary, why do you still fall for it and push that one of the two parties is better then the other and that the trump admin is somehow different from other admins, despite his cabinet full fo the same globalist banksters as every admin?
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No. Don't tell me what I do. Because you don't know.

Tell me your candidate, your plan, your path forward. You ain't my motherfucking judge, biotch.

Put your own cards on the table. Lets see what you got and if what you got is any better than trusting Trump to do what is right.

If you ain't got shit, but doom and despair, then say so.
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you just couldnt resist loretta, you were doign so good there having what appeared to be a real conversation but theloretta in you was too strong

go to bed loretta, youre drunk
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Well hell Nancy. If you are drunk go to bed. Or better, eat shit and die.
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you choose your political views, you do not choose your race.
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Tell that to liberals who want to make the GLBT as somehow similar to race-ethnicity, even among homosexuals who have straight relationships during one part of their life, same-sex relationships during another part of their life.

However, I agree that free expression cuts both ways. So private companies can either submit to public opinion or go against it. It's their choice.

All the more reason people in general have to start focusing on one another's political orientation (not their racial, ethnic, national, sexual, gender or religious one) when dealing with today's America.

That's why last year's Congressional hearings on bias and censorship in social media and the internet were such a joke. The idiotic liberalism/leftism of people and companies wasn't even discussed or emphasized.

Then a national discussion needs to occur that points out that liberalism, because it often takes a shit on honesty, rationality and integrity, is anything but "I feel your pain."


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This is exactly what they have been doing to Alex Jones, taking away his ability to collect money. I heard on Fox news the name Godlike productions and they called it a right wing conspiracy site. They were taking about the black faced pic of the Viginia governer being posted on here first. I bet that's why they took your payment processor away.
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it may be legally defined as a public company, that does not mean the public OWNS it, it means share holders have stock in it. You and I do not own twitter nor receive any profits from it… it is not owned by the public, does the public reap the financial benefits of twitter? Does all the money twitter makes go to the public?

glad to see you are fine dismissing the fact that calling for government regulation of private property and private business is socialism… just side step past all that and ignore it right, nothing to see here
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I do have stock in Twitter and many other social media companies. I do share in their success when the stock price goes up. I share in their failure when the stock price goes down.

The Constitution - specifically the First Amendment - provides Americans with the right to free speech. If a public company like Twitter restricts that right, the government ensuring their right to free speech is not socialism.
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how is twitter restricting anyones free speech? All the people kicked off twitter sure seem still able to speak freely and tell people they were kicked off twitter

all the people kicked off twitter are still free and able to say whatever they want, just not on twitter.

it is no different then being kicked out of bar for talking about politics the bar owner does not care for. You get kicked out of the bar and not allowed back in, but you can still say whatever you were saying, just not in that bar

and cool you own stock in twitter and benefit from it… the stock holders of twitter are NOT the public of the globe or the US. SO you may have stock, but how many of say the 300+ million of the US do? How many of the people of Canada do? Or Brazil?

x number of twitter stock holders do not equal the mass that is the public of the planet.

and if you are so against twitter banning people and think i tis wrong, then sell your fuckin stock otherwise you are fucking hypocrite who has a problem with how tiwtter does business, but no problem taking profit from how they do business
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For starters, I am not declaring that Twitter cannot suspend accounts. It is a question that is likely to be resolved thru the courts.

...but if Donald TRUMP can't block people from his Twitter account because it is a 'public forum' then it stands to reason that Twitter should not be banning any user for that same reason.

You claim Twitter is not violating anybody's right to free speech because they can still have free speech elsewhere. How does that not apply to Donald TRUMP blocking users?

Courts already ruled on TRUMP blocking users and declared he cannot block them because it is a PUBLIC FORUM. If it is a public forum, then Twitter should not be banning users.

Twitter may argue that 'violations of TOS' are the reason they are suspending people - but IMO they are clearly not enforcing the TOS fairly and evenly.
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donald trump, or barack obama, a president using twitter, obviously does nto have the same issues as the average citizens. That should not even need to be explained… everything a president does, gets treated different… they do not shut down streets when you or I drive to work and get a motorcade procession speeding us to our job… but they do for presidents. And that is just one obvious example why a sitting president should not get the same treatment as the citizen.

the idea would be the president is the servant of all the citizens of the US, that is the theory on paper anyone right. So no politician be they president or governor or senator can say they will not hear the voice of any of the citizens they work for. So the same applies to trump on twitter as it would any place the public can address a politician, it would be unamerican to say a politician working for all americans will refuse or block the voice of any of those people.

as a politician you are a public servant and therefore, again, on theory on paper, hear every single person who has something to say to you if you make yourself available in spaces where people are.


twitter is considered a public forum, but currently it actually is not. A public square would be provided by a government, by a city, a town, a state, a country. SO far, that is not who provides twitter to the public. It is provided by people who built and created it and started a private company and were able to profit from that service they provided and then took the private compnay public and sold stock, but again that still does not make it a public forum the way a park is a public space… the government provides parks, public spaces that are free for all to use

once twitter is something the government provides, then and only then is it an actual public forum and then and only then would it actually be censorship because the government is saying this or that person is not allowed to say this or that… if a private business says we do not like it when you say these things, please leave… they get to do that the same way you get to kick out a person if they walked into your bar or business and started talking about politics that you do not care for.
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WELL!

GLP turned in to a political weapon itself when everything started to be about Trump!


So I can't say I am really surprised or anything!!



You guys turned GLP into a "tool of political change"!


And now this is the result!



I say.......


You did it to urselves :)
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Your reasoning doesn't even make sense...
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Well, from a certain standpoint, GLP is a business

And it's been largely focused around politics



I'm simply saying is that when you play with fire, you get burned
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Well, since MOST of the people on here are sane and decent, it was only natural that we gravitated towards Donald Trump.

You are proving Trinity's point that we are being targeted for our political beliefs and I'm wondering if you really meant that we shoiuld all just keep our mouths shut to avoid all this...
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trump-HRYK
"What you think, you become." - Buddha
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I worked at a large company (7500 employees) years ago, and the company would send out a draft e-mail to everyone, you just had to hit send and it would go to your state and federal reps and such. to encourage them to vote yes/no any proposed law that might affect the company.

I know they monitored the messages, but if I didn't agree with their opinion/point of view, I would change the message to my point of view.

Needless to say, I no longer work there.

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"and nice straw man there bringing up the fed is privately owned… no shit sherlock" --not a strawman, THE KEY FACT ABOUT "PRIVATE COMPANIES" (especially the ELITE ones) driving everything we're witnessing today.

OK folks, take a breather and enjoy 2 minutes of some "comedy"--




And after that "comic relief" if ya want to talk solutions, let's hear it.......