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You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.

 
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I've never gotten loyalty from any employer.
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Here's the thing that bugs me on top of everything else...

My dad's oldest brother and his..wife.

She has been on disability since the 90s for some knee issue.. From the first time I met her in my teens, I thought she resembled a bridge troll.
 Quoting: Seer777


rofl5
 Quoting: nimmerfall

I said they very same to my mother, the first day.


My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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This is why I hate unions. A union works to sabotage their employer.
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Yup free market is the only way to operate so that the operation stays healthy, be it business or staff.
"Specialization is for insects"
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Here's the thing that bugs me on top of everything else...

My dad's oldest brother and his..wife.

She has been on disability since the 90s for some knee issue.. From the first time I met her in my teens, I thought she resembled a bridge troll.
 Quoting: Seer777


rofl5
 Quoting: nimmerfall

I said they very same to my mother, the first day.


My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Seer777


Maybe God said fuck it to his children
"Specialization is for insects"
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How many houses does the average Boomer you know have?

4? 5? 6?
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You're joking, right?
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Here's the thing that bugs me on top of everything else...

My dad's oldest brother and his..wife.

 Quoting: Seer777


yah, when this shit hits you at home, it gets real. Real ugly.

I guess that's one reason that I learned early on to have 'arms lengths' relationships with everyone except my wife/children. The outside world has gone to hell...for the most part anyways.
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I only found out about the 'stolen valor' and statutory rape thing, 2 weeks ago and suddenly my decades long hatred of him..came into perfect focus.
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Here's the thing that bugs me on top of everything else...

My dad's oldest brother and his..wife.

She has been on disability since the 90s for some knee issue.. From the first time I met her in my teens, I thought she resembled a bridge troll.
 Quoting: Seer777


rofl5
 Quoting: nimmerfall

I said they very same to my mother, the first day.


My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Seer777


Maybe God said fuck it to his children
 Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic


It does feel like that.

I cry about it a lot.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.
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No you don't.

Loyalty is earned, not bought.

The only person you need to be loyal to is yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659

Exactly you moron, he earned your loyalty by hiring you.
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I don't owe Gossamer the flying carpet jockey jack shit.
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02/09/2019 09:39 PM
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Money is just pieces of paper, worth nothing. work is actual toil, sweat, blood. you owe the person paying you money nothing

your employer owes you for exploiting you with satan's gimmick and con game.

that money was issued by satan himself, to other satanists and it eventually trickled down to an evil person they knew, who eventually got to use it to fuck you in the ass every minute of your life
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rofl5
 Quoting: nimmerfall

I said they very same to my mother, the first day.


My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Seer777


Maybe God said fuck it to his children
 Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic


It does feel like that.

I cry about it a lot.
 Quoting: Seer777


I have said for a long time, in regards to trials and tribulations, you have two choices. Choose to over come it and for it to make you stronger or allow it to pull you deeper into the void.

I wish you luck and hope the best for you and your family.
"Specialization is for insects"
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Money is just pieces of paper, worth nothing. work is actual toil, sweat, blood. you owe the person paying you money nothing

your employer owes you for exploiting you with satan's gimmick and con game.

that money was issued by satan himself, to other satanists and it eventually trickled down to an evil person they knew, who eventually got to use it to fuck you in the ass every minute of your life
 Quoting: ChiChiChis


That's bullshit.

I will agree the current money is a shadow of what it once was but true money, or wealth, is the best way to show that you have brought value into this world by others acknowledging you for your work by exchanging money for it.
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My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Seer777


Maybe God said fuck it to his children
 Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic


It does feel like that.

I cry about it a lot.
 Quoting: Seer777


I have said for a long time, in regards to trials and tribulations, you have two choices. Choose to over come it and for it to make you stronger or allow it to pull you deeper into the void.

I wish you luck and hope the best for you and your family.
 Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic


No one in the world deserves this..less than her.

And it challenges my faith..and my anger..every day.


Thank you. I hope to. My only wish..is for a cure.

I wish nor want, for anything else more..


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Money is just pieces of paper, worth nothing. work is actual toil, sweat, blood. you owe the person paying you money nothing

your employer owes you for exploiting you with satan's gimmick and con game.

that money was issued by satan himself, to other satanists and it eventually trickled down to an evil person they knew, who eventually got to use it to fuck you in the ass every minute of your life
 Quoting: ChiChiChis


I presume someone else pays for your upkeep.
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You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.
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No you don't.

Loyalty is earned, not bought.

The only person you need to be loyal to is yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


I retired at 37. Went back to work at 43 out of boredom. How are you doing? I could probably retire you too.

I hear and see young guys fretting all the time. If only they realize there boss NEEDS them.
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retired for you = laid off

sat around had to go back to work @43
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Re: You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.
Money is just pieces of paper, worth nothing. work is actual toil, sweat, blood. you owe the person paying you money nothing

your employer owes you for exploiting you with satan's gimmick and con game.

that money was issued by satan himself, to other satanists and it eventually trickled down to an evil person they knew, who eventually got to use it to fuck you in the ass every minute of your life
 Quoting: ChiChiChis


That's bullshit.

I will agree the current money is a shadow of what it once was but true money, or wealth, is the best way to show that you have brought value into this world by others acknowledging you for your work by exchanging money for it.
 Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic


when the FEd issues 20 trillion in QE, when the pentagon prints up and spend 20 trillion black budget money, ...

who do you think is getting that money? the catholic church? or a bunch of baby raping, mass murdering,drug dealing, lying, scum of the earth shitbag devil worshippers?

so after it goes to them, who is next in line to get it?? the next most evil people. and so on, and so on, until it gets...TO YOU. you are the LAST ONE TO GET IT, and the MOST SHIT ON PERSON ON EARTH. because you are the LEAST EVIL humans.
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Here's the thing that bugs me on top of everything else...

My dad's oldest brother and his..wife.

She has been on disability since the 90s for some knee issue.. From the first time I met her in my teens, I thought she resembled a bridge troll.
 Quoting: Seer777


rofl5
 Quoting: nimmerfall

I said they very same to my mother, the first day.


My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Seer777


I'm sorry to hear it. I had an uncle with Parkinsons... he trembled for as long as I knew him. He gave it a good run, lived a good life, but I know it had to be frustrating at times.
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Brown nodded. "I think this is it."
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You may get moved to other bosses, but ultimately, who ever is your direct manager or direct report has hired you or accepted you as part of their team. If there is weirdness there or his policy is not to your liking then YOU should move on if you cannot work it out.

This person accepted you to their team, they have put their own success partially, maybe wholeheartedly in your hands.

They owe you nothing, they could chose thousands of other people, yet they chose or choose you every day.

Ultimately you should mold your own work ethics, style and performance to their expectation. You two are a team, like it or not. He/she will take the pain and sometimes the heat from your failure or NOT. The not times come when you have disrupted the trust.

This is how you move ahead. Make your boss believe you are essential to their success and get THEM promoted. They will almost always bring you along. They were likely there where you are at some point, and they likely have a boss too. Help your boss make his boss happy.

This rant is n case no body ever opened your eyes before.

Feel free to thank me with your next promotion.
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The only thing you owe them is to work when you are on the clock
Sounds like you are in a supervisory position and it has gotten to your head
Everybody has a boss and nobody is going to remember your contribution or status in the history books
People don’t even remember the name of kings and genius inventors
You don’t own anybody
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Re: You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.
Here's the thing that bugs me on top of everything else...

My dad's oldest brother and his..wife.

She has been on disability since the 90s for some knee issue.. From the first time I met her in my teens, I thought she resembled a bridge troll.
 Quoting: Seer777


rofl5
 Quoting: nimmerfall

I said they very same to my mother, the first day.


My mom on the other hand..was beautiful, never fat, went to church, did everything right, and spent 45 years of her life nursing sick children and babies born before their time in the NICU.

She was diagnosed with Parkinson's two months before she retired..and there is almost nothing they can do for her..


That, on top of these new 9 month abortion laws..is like God puking on her face.

And I'm pissed.
 Quoting: Seer777


I'm sorry to hear it. I had an uncle with Parkinsons... he trembled for as long as I knew him. He gave it a good run, lived a good life, but I know it had to be frustrating at times.
 Quoting: nimmerfall


Thanks.

It's not so much life expectancy than quality of life, left to live.

So instead of putting money into finding a cure..we're housing a 30 year, disability bridge troll and stolen valor, statutory rapists.. as they who get the $$$$$$$$$.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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once again I must register simply for one fact, to IGNORE this moron 'Truth Reaper"
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You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.
 Quoting: Xeven


No you don't.

Loyalty is earned, not bought.

The only person you need to be loyal to is yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


I retired at 37. Went back to work at 43 out of boredom. How are you doing? I could probably retire you too.

I hear and see young guys fretting all the time. If only they realize there boss NEEDS them.
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In the OP, you say "
They owe you nothing, they could chose thousands of other people, yet they chose or choose you every day.
"

So... If employers NEED the employees, doesn't it stand to reason that the employers OWE the employees loyalty??

Your logic is fucked. It doesn't matter how many times you delete this response, your logic is plain fucking wrong.
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You think because you have the power to be a gatekeeper and you hired someone that they just just constantly blow you?
Typically, you hire the best candidate for the job which means they deserve it and got it because they busted their ass to get to that point;they didn’t get it just because YOU decided to hire them.

Sounds like you are drunk off just a tiny bit of power over others
Thank God you aren’t in a more powerful position
Find some humility and give other credit for their own successes for God’s sakes
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Loyalty, in a professional organization, is a two way operation. That is to say, it should be higher to lower as well as lower to higher.

Adding to the direction of "loyalty", the responsibility for communication is higher to lower. Communication lower to higher should be spelled out in official policy so employees know clearly what they are suppose too communicate.

It seems to be a major problem with newby managers or bosses that think the sun rises and sets in their ass. Almost as bad are the fools give condescending speeches to grown up people.

Employees have an obligation to give a good day's work for their day's pay--no question about that. However, if a boss wants 100% all the time, it would be a good idea to show respect and loyalty for those that work under them. Many people do not understand basic principles of good people management.


Loyalty in large corporations is superficial-at best. Does not matter if you are white or blue collar.
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To say a union sabotages employers that's just fucking stupid. Obviously you never trained or had to pay payroll. Unions have the best trained skilled labor that's why southern states are lacking in trained labor. Do the math on it before you come at me.
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Totally agree.

Except I've worked my way up from PT dishwasher to FT head of kitchen prep, and I haven't gotten a raise since in four years.

It's still "just around the corner"

The owner is a multi-millonaire, and now I make 25 cents more than minimim wage.

So.... no, fuck that.

In some instances, fuck that.
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Not necessarily so now a days, especially so with women. Many manager/ bosses use their employees like doormats and are very unappreciative of them.

Furthermore, if you help out a women to get promoted, beware, especially if you are a female too, she will pull the ladder up and forget you were ever friends. Women after all much rather work with a team of men themselves, rather than other females who tend to play a lot of head games.

Trust no one, have the perception of but, no true loyalties, and above all else take care of yourself first. I can guarantee you, you are totally replaceable and your employer could care less about you too. So if something better comes along, don't be afraid to give a days, notice and go. This is the truth now a days.
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I've had some great bosses that I will always respect and miss working with and some really, really bad ones.
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The more money you make your employer, the more he will pay you. Every time you chew you should thank your boss for putting food in your mouth.
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You are cool!
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You owe the person who hired you, loyalty.
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No you don't.

Loyalty is earned, not bought.

The only person you need to be loyal to is yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


Loyalty is not earned nor bought, it's learned and ingrained.
The real question is, do you even doodle Bro?
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The only way you should be in a company is with an ownership share. 6 month vesting at most so no one's time is wasted. Equity should increase the longer you are there. If not, work at walmart.
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The only way you should be in a company is with an ownership share. 6 month vesting at most so no one's time is wasted. Equity should increase the longer you are there. If not, work at walmart.
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If you believe in the company and the work you do, always negotiate equity, not salary.