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Same-sex marriage and acceptance of LGBTQ clergy are issues that will be voted at a special sessions of the general conference of the United Methodist Church on February 23-26, 2019.

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At first I read your title "Self-Sex Marriages ... may be prophetic and the "the self-marriages" will be next.
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lets ask the black israelites how they feel shall we?



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Hilary Clinton is a Methodist, which should tell you all you need to know about the Methodist Church.

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I don’t think they can hold it together much longer. They basically punted three years ago and their big problem is 80+% of their clergy is leftist while 60-70% of their membership is traditional. The bishops won’t be able to help themselves this time and anything less than formally affirming the traditional stance of the church will end in a schism. Traditional lay members won’t stand for a policy that leaves a traditional church on one side of town and one performing trans-weddings on the other.

I just hate that they didn’t bring this to a head three years ago because, in the interim, my family bailed and became Baptists.
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Their founders were two gay guys, what is the hold up?
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fugettabout it people, its all ov3r a long time ago, the church thing, who cares what fake chruches think.
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I don’t think they can hold it together much longer. They basically punted three years ago and their big problem is 80+% of their clergy is leftist while 60-70% of their membership is traditional. The bishops won’t be able to help themselves this time and anything less than formally affirming the traditional stance of the church will end in a schism. Traditional lay members won’t stand for a policy that leaves a traditional church on one side of town and one performing trans-weddings on the other.

I just hate that they didn’t bring this to a head three years ago because, in the interim, my family bailed and became Baptists.
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Interesting take, but I wonder what exactly will happen to the Methodist Church on every Main Street, USA?

Crazy times we in...
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The fact that they even allow it to come up to vote tells me all I need to know about their interpretation of scripture.
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Why do libtards want to engage in an REPRESSIVE, CONSERVATIVE institution such as marriage ???? I asked a lesbo i worked with this and she said, well I wanted to prove that she could trust me; I said why not just co-sign a car loan with her ?
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People love there lies of self righteousness no matter how it goes against their faith.

Methodist, like Catholics, are communist. They are secretly open to all things immoral, having the appearance of being godly, but denying there of. They are mostly a charity organization for the recruitment of free labor/ human trafficking. However, I bet you can say that is the case for most religion and political organizations. I swear you can hardly tell the difference sometimes.

Anyhow, good for them. We all only have one life to live, and might as well make it the happiest and most productive you can. However, I don't think it is natural to push it so much in society.
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I don’t think they can hold it together much longer. They basically punted three years ago and their big problem is 80+% of their clergy is leftist while 60-70% of their membership is traditional. The bishops won’t be able to help themselves this time and anything less than formally affirming the traditional stance of the church will end in a schism. Traditional lay members won’t stand for a policy that leaves a traditional church on one side of town and one performing trans-weddings on the other.

I just hate that they didn’t bring this to a head three years ago because, in the interim, my family bailed and became Baptists.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Interesting take, but I wonder what exactly will happen to the Methodist Church on every Main Street, USA?

Crazy times we in...
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They are being forced to either cave in to their demands, or carry on under a different name. It is happening to the local Methodist church where I live in Podunk, USA.
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I don’t think they can hold it together much longer. They basically punted three years ago and their big problem is 80+% of their clergy is leftist while 60-70% of their membership is traditional. The bishops won’t be able to help themselves this time and anything less than formally affirming the traditional stance of the church will end in a schism. Traditional lay members won’t stand for a policy that leaves a traditional church on one side of town and one performing trans-weddings on the other.

I just hate that they didn’t bring this to a head three years ago because, in the interim, my family bailed and became Baptists.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Interesting take, but I wonder what exactly will happen to the Methodist Church on every Main Street, USA?

Crazy times we in...
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What will ultimately happen is 20% of the clergy and 60% of the members will split off and form their own new denomination. Same thing that happened to the Presbyterians.
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Marriage is really for the financial good of women and their children as well character/ spiritual development of children. It was never even intended for childless couples even.

It evolved into business and political partnerships later and then an upper class contract later on. So of coarse, to keep up with "The Jones," marriage was open to older couples too. After all you never knew when a women could conceive given the short life span of women back then.
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Methodist Church fan or not, it has been a part of every local community across the USA the last 100 years.

I guess same thing can be said about Boy Scouts of America.

Such an agenda...
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I don’t think they can hold it together much longer. They basically punted three years ago and their big problem is 80+% of their clergy is leftist while 60-70% of their membership is traditional. The bishops won’t be able to help themselves this time and anything less than formally affirming the traditional stance of the church will end in a schism. Traditional lay members won’t stand for a policy that leaves a traditional church on one side of town and one performing trans-weddings on the other.

I just hate that they didn’t bring this to a head three years ago because, in the interim, my family bailed and became Baptists.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Interesting take, but I wonder what exactly will happen to the Methodist Church on every Main Street, USA?

Crazy times we in...
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They are being forced to either cave in to their demands, or carry on under a different name. It is happening to the local Methodist church where I live in Podunk, USA.
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The dirty secret is the pastor of the Podunk church is most likely a leftist not currently talking about it until he feels he can fully come out of the closet. There is just one traditional Methodist seminary left in the country, it’s in Kentucky, and a very small number of active Methodist ministers were educated there. The vast majority of them went to places like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Princeton, and those seminaries have been leftist since the 60s.
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Oh, it’s happening sweetheart. Under the church’s Book of Discipline it would never happen because apparently the rest of the world is against homosexuality in general. Not sure why they feel that way. Oh wait, this is a religion based on the Bible!

What is being presented as a “path forward” is basically a don’t ask don’t tell where this new rule will only be applied to UMC in the United States. So basically this is splitting the church.

A committee of 32 lay members, clergy and church leaders came up with originally 2 plans. The don’t ask don’t tell approach where each church can decide whether it wants gays married or not. However, this plan doesn’t allow for a vote by the congregation because votes are divisive. 18 members of the committee VOTED in favor of this. The second option was make every church in the US flaming faccot marrying dens. Then a couple of days before the committee wrapped up its work, one member pushed forward a third option of leaving the issue alone and keeping the rules we already have in order. No gays. That option got very little support but is on the ballot for this conference as well.

I’m not sure how most churches will survive once this goes into effect. I’m a top ten donor in our church and I will go back to being a Lutheran. Many others will leave too. They won’t get new members because there are already gays that are members and are pushing this.

Church suicide.

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Oh, it’s happening sweetheart. Under the church’s Book of Discipline it would never happen because apparently the rest of the world is against homosexuality in general. Not sure why they feel that way. Oh wait, this is a religion based on the Bible!

What is being presented as a “path forward” is basically a don’t ask don’t tell where this new rule will only be applied to UMC in the United States. So basically this is splitting the church.

A committee of 32 lay members, clergy and church leaders came up with originally 2 plans. The don’t ask don’t tell approach where each church can decide whether it wants gays married or not. However, this plan doesn’t allow for a vote by the congregation because votes are divisive. 18 members of the committee VOTED in favor of this. The second option was make every church in the US flaming faccot marrying dens. Then a couple of days before the committee wrapped up its work, one member pushed forward a third option of leaving the issue alone and keeping the rules we already have in order. No gays. That option got very little support but is on the ballot for this conference as well.

I’m not sure how most churches will survive once this goes into effect. I’m a top ten donor in our church and I will go back to being a Lutheran. Many others will leave too. They won’t get new members because there are already gays that are members and are pushing this.

Church suicide.
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On the upside, the new traditional church that will rise from the ashes will be the most orthodox Methodist Church since the Wesley brothers walked the earth. I’m going to have a tough decision when that happens. My family loves the Southern Baptist Church, but I am a Methodist at heart and this is what I wanted to happen three years ago.
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I don’t think they can hold it together much longer. They basically punted three years ago and their big problem is 80+% of their clergy is leftist while 60-70% of their membership is traditional. The bishops won’t be able to help themselves this time and anything less than formally affirming the traditional stance of the church will end in a schism. Traditional lay members won’t stand for a policy that leaves a traditional church on one side of town and one performing trans-weddings on the other.

I just hate that they didn’t bring this to a head three years ago because, in the interim, my family bailed and became Baptists.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Interesting take, but I wonder what exactly will happen to the Methodist Church on every Main Street, USA?

Crazy times we in...
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They are being forced to either cave in to their demands, or carry on under a different name. It is happening to the local Methodist church where I live in Podunk, USA.
 Quoting: MaxHeadroomIntrusion


The dirty secret is the pastor of the Podunk church is most likely a leftist not currently talking about it until he feels he can fully come out of the closet. There is just one traditional Methodist seminary left in the country, it’s in Kentucky, and a very small number of active Methodist ministers were educated there. The vast majority of them went to places like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Princeton, and those seminaries have been leftist since the 60s.
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Yes, in my experience, the local Methodist churches have always seemed much more liberal than the other local churches.
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The fact that they even allow it to come up to vote tells me all I need to know about their interpretation of scripture.
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judethe that is a good point.
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This is so troubling... I have witnessed homosexuals setting themselves up in prominent positions in the Church. If not clergy, perhaps a greeter, usher, committee head etc but more and more... Agenda?

My take is I'm no less a sinner than a homosexual but I don't ask my Church to "bless" my sin in a ceremony...

Everyone knows the Methodist Church has the open door policy but the wedding ceremony is a brick wall for me personally.

I do ask for Prayer for the Church over the next week about this as the outcome WILL effect many, many people across this great County and the World.

Very sad about all of this...

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Same-sex marriage and acceptance of LGBTQ clergy are issues that will be voted at a special sessions of the general conference of the United Methodist Church on February 23-26, 2019.

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Marriage is not the issue... bad sex that harms IS.. and that bad sex is widely practiced in hetero marriages too.
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I can say without flinching that Brite Divinity school is the most hardcore leftist gay joke of a theology school in the United States right now. And it is Methodist.

The Methodists aren't following anyone in leftist liberation theology. They're leading the charge.

Of course, Methodism is just a Trojan Horse for Jesuit ecumenicism and globalism. Ever wonder why Hilary is comfy cozy there?

Methodism is the poster child for fake churchianity in America today.

The idea of the Reformation was to lead the church back to first century apostalic New Testament Christianity. Methinks it took a turn for the worse. I'm actually not sure which is worse - Methodism or Catholicism.

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I would straight up refuse to marry two men or two women no matter what the ramifications are. Don't fear what can kill you but fear what can destroy your soul. There is no middle ground as far as I'm concerned.
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Go get married in a satanic church where you belong!
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This is so troubling... I have witnessed homosexuals setting themselves up in prominent positions in the Church. If not clergy, perhaps a greeter, usher, committee head etc but more and more... Agenda?

My take is I'm no less a sinner than a homosexual but I don't ask my Church to "bless" my sin in a ceremony...

Everyone knows the Methodist Church has the open door policy but the wedding ceremony is a brick wall for me personally.

I do ask for Prayer for the Church over the next week about this as the outcome WILL effect many, many people across this great County and the World.

Very sad about all of this...
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That's exactly right. No other type of sinner goes to God and demands to be accepted as he is. As Christians, we go to God on our knees begging forgiveness, not telling God what parts of His Holy Bible we accept and what parts we reject. By doing this, the LGBTQ types are effectively demanding that their lifestyles be recognized, by the church, as no longer considered sinful. It would be like a group of organized adulterers going to the church and demanding that their practice be deemed no longer sinful. It's heresy.
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This is so troubling... I have witnessed homosexuals setting themselves up in prominent positions in the Church. If not clergy, perhaps a greeter, usher, committee head etc but more and more... Agenda?

My take is I'm no less a sinner than a homosexual but I don't ask my Church to "bless" my sin in a ceremony...

Everyone knows the Methodist Church has the open door policy but the wedding ceremony is a brick wall for me personally.

I do ask for Prayer for the Church over the next week about this as the outcome WILL effect many, many people across this great County and the World.

Very sad about all of this...
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Do you get updates from the people at the Confessing Movement? They have pretty much resigned themselves to the fact that it's going either "One Church," the don't-ask-don't-tell route, or straight up recognizing gay marriage/clergy across the denomination, and they follow this very closely. That will be the end of the denomination as we know it as many lay members have been waiting these three years to decide whether to stay in the UMC. Once the Church makes a formal declaration that it is changing the Book of Discipline, these people will split, and it's about damn time. The UMC is too far gone.

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Marriage is not the issue... bad sex that harms IS.. and that bad sex is widely practiced in hetero marriages too.
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Your issue is irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion. The issue being decided is the gay marriage issue and whether the United Methodist Church will officially bless these unions.
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I can say without flinching that Brite Divinity school is the most hardcore leftist gay joke of a theology school in the United States right now. And it is Methodist.

The Methodists aren't following anyone in leftist liberation theology. They're leading the charge.

Of course, Methodism is just a Trojan Horse for Jesuit ecumenicism and globalism. Ever wonder why Hilary is comfy cozy there?

Methodism is the poster child for fake churchianity in America today.

The idea of the Reformation was to lead the church back to first century apostalic New Testament Christianity. Methinks it took a turn for the worse. I'm actually not sure which is worse - Methodism or Catholicism.
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Original Wesleyan Methodism was the farthest thing from what the current UMC practices. When the schism happens, there will be a new church born that will adhere to first principles. The pastors that will lead it were mostly educated at Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, KY.

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