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Why You Should Never Use Stripe To Process Your Recurring Subscriptions. (Stripe Responds To GLP)

 
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It's a horrible feeling to be suddenly cut off for something completely arbitrary and ridiculous, and to lose everything you built for years and years, isn't it?

At least they gave YOU a response.
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Ugh! I wish I had not sold my business, just so I could not utilize their services. I’ll do my part & spread the word that Stripe is anti freedom of speech.
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This is a full blown attack on all sides at once. You stood your ground, Trinity. Thank you !
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Keep this permanently pinned

GLP has millions of daily visitors and thousands of business owners.
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Sounds like setting up a payment processor could be a business opportunity.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I talked to CCBILL this morning.

We are good to go with them.

Also trying to get ahold of second amendment processing but cannot get a response.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


CCporn, I mean bill probably won't have any problems with chip, but they did drop storm front iirc forever ago. So who knows.
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On Feb 10, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Stripe Support <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello xxxxxxx,

Kevyn with Stripe, stepping in to assist here.I appreciate your reply.

To clarify, Stripe is legally required to complete what's called a KYC (Know Your Customer) Survey for every user that signs up, regardless of how many transactions they've processed. We may conduct further reviews over the life of the account as well, and you can see more on this here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

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Additionally, per our Service Agreement, we can terminate an account at any time and for any reason. You can see more on this under Section A here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

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That said, we do have to impose strict limits on the types of businesses we can and can't support. We're unable to work with any business that we believe poses elevated financial risk, or violates our own policies; in this case, after a thorough review of your account, we have determined that your business falls within these guidelines.

I can assure you that we have done a thorough review of your account, and we will be unable to reverse our decision. We are unable to provide any further details regarding the reason for your account's closure.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Legally required? By whom? Using what guidelines?

This SHOULD read as - "violates our political views"

This is ALL legalese for....

..."if what you do hurts our feelings or TRIGGERS us, we won't do business with you"

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you used 'lol' in an official response?


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Sounds like setting up a payment processor could be a business opportunity.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I talked to CCBILL this morning.

We are good to go with them.

Also trying to get ahold of second amendment processing but cannot get a response.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


CCporn, I mean bill probably won't have any problems with chip, but they did drop storm front iirc forever ago. So who knows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72633222


Storm Front was a site centered around white supremacy.

GLP is NOT.

Really more than anything else GLP is centered around REALISM.

We allow open discussion on sensitive topics that other sites won't even allow you to mention.
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Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
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02/11/2019 11:19 AM
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So should we descend on Stripe like the plague, in support of this site Trinity?

We could inundate them with emails, phone calls, etc, bringing their hypocrisy to their own doorstep, and most of us would be HAPPY to do so.

Please advise.
 Quoting: wishiwas


I was thinking the same.

Is there a mail bomb technique to drown Stripe mailboxes?
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This is neither a pro- nor anti-gay post. It is a post about hypocrisy.

Anyway, I don't get why bakers can be fined for not serving gay couples while at the same time, you are being refused business for no reason at all. (They probably have a prejudicial reason, but they are hiding behind their cancel at any time for any reason policy).

I think this cop out any reason cancellation policy is anti-freedom in nature.
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They do all business via email. They apparently supplied BBB with a telephone number as it is listed there. however, one complainant said they tried calling the number and no one will answer. Stripe replied they were under no obligation to speak to anyone on the telephone.
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02/11/2019 11:21 AM
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So you spend years building up a subscriber base and then your payment processor decides to destroy your business overnight and you're left with no recourse?

YES!

Stripe can and will terminate your account without notice and without reason.

For the original communications regarding this issue see this thread:
Thread: Stripe Just Canceled Payment Processing For GLP...

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On Feb 10, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Stripe Support <[email protected]> wrote:


Hello xxxxxxx,

Kevyn with Stripe, stepping in to assist here.I appreciate your reply.

To clarify, Stripe is legally required to complete what's called a KYC (Know Your Customer) Survey for every user that signs up, regardless of how many transactions they've processed. We may conduct further reviews over the life of the account as well, and you can see more on this here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

With this in mind, I do understand your frustration and wish I could give you better news. You're welcome to take whatever steps you deem necessary to protect yourself and your business, however, I do encourage you to review our Service Agreement as your business does fall under our list of Restricted Businesses and Activities: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

Additionally, per our Service Agreement, we can terminate an account at any time and for any reason. You can see more on this under Section A here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

Should you wish to proceed via legal channels, your legal team can reach out to us here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

That said, we do have to impose strict limits on the types of businesses we can and can't support. We're unable to work with any business that we believe poses elevated financial risk, or violates our own policies; in this case, after a thorough review of your account, we have determined that your business falls within these guidelines.

I can assure you that we have done a thorough review of your account, and we will be unable to reverse our decision. We are unable to provide any further details regarding the reason for your account's closure.

I understand this is not what you were hoping for. If you need an alternative payment processor, we recommend considering PaymentCloud, who are able to work with many businesses we're not able to support: [link to paymentcloudinc.com (secure)]

Please feel free to reach out with any other questions you may have.

Best,
Kevyn

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On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:51 AM, xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx <[email protected]> wrote:

Kevyn,

What is your position with Stripe?

I demand this situation be escalated to the highest level.

Basically, you refuse to show me exactly how we violated your terms of service and instead are telling me you have the right to terminate an account for no reason at all?

lol

Do you really think people would use your service to build up recurring subscription revenue if they knew this?

We both know this is an issue of free speech.

You won’t specify how we violated your terms of service because you know we did not.

A third party post on our website is not content published by us. It is published by the user. Further, there is a reporting and removal system on our website for questionable posts.

Would you terminate twitter, facebook, or youtube because someone posted something you didn’t like on there?

It’s outrageous and the world will know where you stand.

You’re on the wrong side of history here.

XXXXXXXX
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


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They do all business via email. They apparently supplied BBB with a telephone number as it is listed there. however, one complainant said they tried calling the number and no one will answer. Stripe replied they were under no obligation to speak to anyone on the telephone.
 Quoting: Deplorable AmberJean


That's because people would hear how gay they all are.
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I'll never use stripe again. In fact, if I find out a company uses them for payment processing, I'll email them to let them know I'll make my purchases through another merchant. One that supports free speech.

We all know what it's about. If they're trampling on your livelihood, you would think there would be some recourse. They are hurting you financially. I'm not sure but I know numerous people who would since I've worked with judges, DA's, and attorneys for nearly a decade. I'm going to enquire about this with my neighbor since he's a state judge.
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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
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On Feb 10, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Stripe Support <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello xxxxxxx,

Kevyn with Stripe, stepping in to assist here.I appreciate your reply.

To clarify, Stripe is legally required to complete what's called a KYC (Know Your Customer) Survey for every user that signs up, regardless of how many transactions they've processed. We may conduct further reviews over the life of the account as well, and you can see more on this here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

-----------------------------------------

Additionally, per our Service Agreement, we can terminate an account at any time and for any reason. You can see more on this under Section A here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

-----------------------------------------

That said, we do have to impose strict limits on the types of businesses we can and can't support. We're unable to work with any business that we believe poses elevated financial risk, or violates our own policies; in this case, after a thorough review of your account, we have determined that your business falls within these guidelines.

I can assure you that we have done a thorough review of your account, and we will be unable to reverse our decision. We are unable to provide any further details regarding the reason for your account's closure.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Legally required? By whom? Using what guidelines?

This SHOULD read as - "violates our political views"

This is ALL legalese for....

..."if what you do hurts our feelings or TRIGGERS us, we won't do business with you"

1doh1
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


KYC is a legal thing with credit, fraud, etc laws and regs.

Just Google KYC and it comes right up.
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This is exactly what I expect from someone named Kevyn spelled with a y.


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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
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Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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Guess STRIPE is ran by snowflakes
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you could make a subforum with all the corporations and companies we are boycotting
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by the way boycotts are sexist
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KYC is a legal thing with credit, fraud, etc laws and regs.

Just Google KYC and it comes right up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47897094


It's called know your CLIENT not "customer" as the stripe tard said and they did that before we were ever approved in the first place.
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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Trin, I am assuming it falls under:

any business or organization that a. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence or physical harm to persons or property, or b. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence toward any group based on race, religion, disability, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, or any other immutable characteristic
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Join Spot then?.

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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
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Maybe you should consider a $10 bill in a plain envelope in the mail (a PO box). Lots of ac's claim they would join, but they're paranoid about anonymity and this would help them.
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So should we descend on Stripe like the plague, in support of this site Trinity?

We could inundate them with emails, phone calls, etc, bringing their hypocrisy to their own doorstep, and most of us would be HAPPY to do so.

Please advise.
 Quoting: wishiwas


dox them all !
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Sounds like setting up a payment processor could be a business opportunity.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I talked to CCBILL this morning.

We are good to go with them.

Also trying to get ahold of second amendment processing but cannot get a response.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


CCporn, I mean bill probably won't have any problems with chip, but they did drop storm front iirc forever ago. So who knows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72633222


Storm Front was a site centered around white supremacy.

GLP is NOT.

Really more than anything else GLP is centered around REALISM.

We allow open discussion on sensitive topics that other sites won't even allow you to mention.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


GLP is not, agreed. Some of the admins are though. Appearances being everything... like my post on the first page of this thread being deleted and getting me banned? But this one getting a reply, just weird. Can I say things about chip or not?
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
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Maybe you should consider a $10 bill in a plain envelope in the mail (a PO box). Lots of ac's claim they would join, but they're paranoid about anonymity and this would help them.
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Would be a man hour pain the ass. Someone would have to go through thousands of envelopes then go on the computer and activate and deactivate accounts constantly trying to keep up with all the cash payments. It would be a full-time job.


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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Maybe you should consider a $10 bill in a plain envelope in the mail (a PO box). Lots of ac's claim they would join, but they're paranoid about anonymity and this would help them.
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Would be a man hour pain the ass. Someone would have to go through thousands of envelopes then go on the computer and activate and deactivate accounts constantly trying to keep up with all the cash payments. It would be a full-time job.
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Not to mention the nasty shit people would mail to the address...
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.