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Why You Should Never Use Stripe To Process Your Recurring Subscriptions. (Stripe Responds To GLP)

 
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Tough love bitch!

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You guys banned Stripe admins from GLP one too many times!!!!

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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


How about looking into Zelle, Venmo, etc. Hell, even Walmart will allow you to send money. It may be a bit more tedious but the monies would still be flowing in.
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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


bingosign

Those audits would be a nightmare. I'd imagine places like paypal and authorize pay people big bucks to internally perform these full-time.

Yikes.
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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


:bingosign:

Those audits would be a nightmare. I'd imagine places like paypal and authorize pay people big bucks to internally perform these full-time.

Yikes.
 Quoting: GTB


Which is why you let another provider do that. And you just provide the custom gateway... duh.
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Have you considered like a bulletproof moldovian payment processor or something? Like there are adult/high-risk/pharm processors that give literally zero fucks and been around for ages, you just have to find them.
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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


:bingosign:

Those audits would be a nightmare. I'd imagine places like paypal and authorize pay people big bucks to internally perform these full-time.

Yikes.
 Quoting: GTB


Which is why you let another provider do that. And you just provide the custom gateway... duh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35391179


Quoted wrong person. I apologize.
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I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


bingosign

Those audits would be a nightmare. I'd imagine places like paypal and authorize pay people big bucks to internally perform these full-time.

Yikes.
 Quoting: GTB


Which is why you let another provider do that. And you just provide the custom gateway... duh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35391179


Quoted wrong person. I apologize.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35391179


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Guess STRIPE is ran by snowflakes
 Quoting: WaistBandWiener


Snowflakes, normies and NPCs.
Bootlicker squadron.
 Quoting: AltSwede


STRIPE refers to the big Yellow Stripe down their back.
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


and I read the agreement there is not a single thing on there that we are in violation of..
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Anyway we can get a list of companies that use stripe so we can hit them where it hurts?
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KYC is a legal thing with credit, fraud, etc laws and regs.

Just Google KYC and it comes right up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47897094


It's called know your CLIENT not "customer" as the stripe tard said and they did that before we were ever approved in the first place.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


All I was saying is that it is a legal thing, not that GLP had any issues with it. I really doubt the members of GLP are fraud perpetrators. Like the chargebacks thing. You said you have none which is statistically amazing.
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Sounds like setting up a payment processor could be a business opportunity.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I talked to CCBILL this morning.

We are good to go with them.

Also trying to get ahold of second amendment processing but cannot get a response.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Here's the issue I see with what they did. Didn't you specifically ask Stripe to review your business when you started using them, particularly in light of what had just happened with Paypal? What has fundamentally changed about your business or this site between now and then? To my eye, nothing at all. Regardless of their statement that they reserve the right to terminate an account for any reason at all, they have specifically given a reason in that email, one which contradicts their original review of your site when you signed up, even though you directly inquired about it when signing up.
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Maybe you should consider a $10 bill in a plain envelope in the mail (a PO box). Lots of ac's claim they would join, but they're paranoid about anonymity and this would help them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77021014


Would be a man hour pain the ass. Someone would have to go through thousands of envelopes then go on the computer and activate and deactivate accounts constantly trying to keep up with all the cash payments. It would be a full-time job.
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Not to mention the nasty shit people would mail to the address...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


I hadn't thought of that lmao


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Have you considered like a bulletproof moldovian payment processor or something? Like there are adult/high-risk/pharm processors that give literally zero fucks and been around for ages, you just have to find them.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


One of the people I buy my Kratom from kept getting their credit card system revoke for no apparent reason. We all know it's because they don't want people taking a natural painkiller. It hurts big pharma.

They switched to Zelle and it worked out great. They finally went with an offshore credit card processing company and have had zero problems. I get my order and I haven't had any CC issues. I get a text alert for every transaction made on my account immediately.
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What gets me is didn't they look at this forum BEFORE they approved your account setup? Why did they wait well over a month or so before doing so? Something fishy in that.
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


and I read the agreement there is not a single thing on there that we are in violation of..
 Quoting: Jake



Check it again.
In the agreement under "Restricted Businesses":


"any business or organization that a. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence or physical harm to persons or property, or b. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence toward any group based on race, religion, disability, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, or any other immutable characteristic"
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Maybe you should consider a $10 bill in a plain envelope in the mail (a PO box). Lots of ac's claim they would join, but they're paranoid about anonymity and this would help them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77021014


Would be a man hour pain the ass. Someone would have to go through thousands of envelopes then go on the computer and activate and deactivate accounts constantly trying to keep up with all the cash payments. It would be a full-time job.
 Quoting: Merit


Not to mention the nasty shit people would mail to the address...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


And maybe literal shit knowing some of our GLP friends poop
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According to their own restricted business list, there's nothing here that violates that TOS.

Any copyrighted materials definitely fall under Fair Use.

These people are retards.

We need to find another way to do this, using crypto.
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


and I read the agreement there is not a single thing on there that we are in violation of..
 Quoting: Jake



Check it again.
In the agreement under "Restricted Businesses":


"any business or organization that a. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence or physical harm to persons or property, or b. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence toward any group based on race, religion, disability, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, or any other immutable characteristic"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70812861


There is nothing on the site that has anything to do with unlawful violence. The people here are AGAINST the unlawful violence.
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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


There's always that. Just store the CC#'s in highly secure location, not the forum database/etc, data is one way in, only payment module can access/etc. But I understand and generally agree, but these days seems like payment gateway companies have too much leverage over business.
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How stupid of Stripe, unto themselves. It must be really important to someone in Stripe to try to stop free speech.
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Why. Not make our own ?
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I use stripe for all of my ecommerce businesses as they have an amazing api. They are the best solution for processing subscriptions, bar none. With that said, I am going to look for a viable alternative immediately.
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Sounds like anyone starting a subscription based service should collect and manage their own subscribers list and not depend on a 3rd party.

That is, collect and maintain credit card #'s yourself and that way if a payment gateway decides to screw you, you can go elsewhere no problem.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


I don't want the liability of holding peoples credit card numbers in a database.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


There's always that. Just store the CC#'s in highly secure location, not the forum database/etc, data is one way in, only payment module can access/etc. But I understand and generally agree, but these days seems like payment gateway companies have too much leverage over business.
 Quoting: DarthPaulson


Also with credit cards, customer is generally protected. Can easily dispute any charges.
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You should sue tf outta them! Not like you asked them to cook a straight couple's wedding cake, (them being a trans gay business)
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For the record we have not had one single chargeback since we've been using Stripe.

NOT ONE
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


and I read the agreement there is not a single thing on there that we are in violation of..
 Quoting: Jake



Check it again.
In the agreement under "Restricted Businesses":


"any business or organization that a. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence or physical harm to persons or property, or b. engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence toward any group based on race, religion, disability, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, or any other immutable characteristic"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70812861


There is nothing on the site that has anything to do with unlawful violence. The people here are AGAINST the unlawful violence.
 Quoting: Crypto-Tard


Well you know, there are constant threads and posts talking about violence, civil war, etc. The mods do a pretty good job staying on top of it, but it does happen.
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Trinity,

Thank you for this!

I am in the process of deciding on a processing provider for an e-commerce, web/app subscription platform in the training space.

This just helped with my decision. While Stripe is the cheapest for us at 1.2% and my web developer recommended them.l, I can’t wait to tell them to fuck off at 2:30pm PST today.

I now have a call this afternoon with Flagship and one in the morning with First data. We will only process between 980k-3m a year on this project so we aren’t by any means even a small player. This is “micro” in their world making us subject to a who gives a shit mentality from these vendors.

I am hearing of other payment platforms coming, but I think they all in the crypto realm.

Thanks again for the heads up.

TCSK
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Re: Why You Should Never Use Stripe To Process Your Recurring Subscriptions. (Stripe Responds To GLP)
So you spend years building up a subscriber base and then your payment processor decides to destroy your business overnight and you're left with no recourse?

YES!

Stripe can and will terminate your account without notice and without reason.

For the original communications regarding this issue see this thread:
Thread: Stripe Just Canceled Payment Processing For GLP...

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On Feb 10, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Stripe Support <[email protected]> wrote:


Hello xxxxxxx,

Kevyn with Stripe, stepping in to assist here.I appreciate your reply.

To clarify, Stripe is legally required to complete what's called a KYC (Know Your Customer) Survey for every user that signs up, regardless of how many transactions they've processed. We may conduct further reviews over the life of the account as well, and you can see more on this here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

With this in mind, I do understand your frustration and wish I could give you better news. You're welcome to take whatever steps you deem necessary to protect yourself and your business, however, I do encourage you to review our Service Agreement as your business does fall under our list of Restricted Businesses and Activities: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

Additionally, per our Service Agreement, we can terminate an account at any time and for any reason. You can see more on this under Section A here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

Should you wish to proceed via legal channels, your legal team can reach out to us here: [link to stripe.com (secure)]

That said, we do have to impose strict limits on the types of businesses we can and can't support. We're unable to work with any business that we believe poses elevated financial risk, or violates our own policies; in this case, after a thorough review of your account, we have determined that your business falls within these guidelines.

I can assure you that we have done a thorough review of your account, and we will be unable to reverse our decision. We are unable to provide any further details regarding the reason for your account's closure.

I understand this is not what you were hoping for. If you need an alternative payment processor, we recommend considering PaymentCloud, who are able to work with many businesses we're not able to support: [link to paymentcloudinc.com (secure)]

Please feel free to reach out with any other questions you may have.

Best,
Kevyn

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On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:51 AM, xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx <[email protected]> wrote:

Kevyn,

What is your position with Stripe?

I demand this situation be escalated to the highest level.

Basically, you refuse to show me exactly how we violated your terms of service and instead are telling me you have the right to terminate an account for no reason at all?

lol

Do you really think people would use your service to build up recurring subscription revenue if they knew this?

We both know this is an issue of free speech.

You won’t specify how we violated your terms of service because you know we did not.

A third party post on our website is not content published by us. It is published by the user. Further, there is a reporting and removal system on our website for questionable posts.

Would you terminate twitter, facebook, or youtube because someone posted something you didn’t like on there?

It’s outrageous and the world will know where you stand.

You’re on the wrong side of history here.

XXXXXXXX
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


A bakery is sued n later closes its doors bc THEIR religious beliefs were under scrutiny bc they wouldnt make a fag cake.

Then theres chikfilet

This company is hiding behind vague textbook policies n NOT narrowing down the violation. Typical of comps who know ppl wont do shit about it

Venmo terminated my acct just telln me I violated policy. I had to verify who I was. ID sent. Still terminated. Hiding behind bc textbook TOS never telln me the reason. But a little birdie told me they look u up on social media. Venmos in deep shit now. I breached no written tos.

The right to limit or refuse svc only serves the opposition. The dem agenda to put it bluntly.

We gotta take a stand or we may as well handed the keys to the car n walk home

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All of these politically-motivated 'businesses' need to BURN TO THE GROUND.

I will never use Stripe.

I will never use Paypal.

I will never advertise on Twitter.

FUCK THEM ALL.
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