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A 2017 article quotes Hartford Hospital trauma director Lenworth Jacobs as being angered after he observed that children injured in the Sandy Hook shootings died unnecessarily from survivable wounds.

"Dr. Jacobs took it upon himself to review each of the autopsies, and what he found was that they each died from bleeding to death. Dr. Jacobs was angered and wanted to find a solution..."

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You’ll recall Jacobs had actually been telephoned by the ME's office—most likely by Carver himself.

According to a new statement from Jacobs' colleague:

"My mentor who created this program [Stop the Bleed], Lenworth Jacobs, developed it because he saw that...those injuries, if treated appropriately at the scene, could have saved a few lives."
(Dr. Suresh Agarwal, Chief of Trauma, UW Hospital, Oct 2017)

1:08 here: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

And finally:

“When they analyzed [the victims], they realized that some of them had survivable injuries but had bled to death before they could be treated." (Dr. Jeffrey Kerby, director, UAB Division of Acute Care Surgery)

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Contrast today's overdue frankness with the oft-cited 2013 bulletin from the American College of Surgeons, attributed to Carver and Jacobs: "Dr. Jacobs, the Chair of the State of Connecticut Committee on Trauma, who was deputized to participate in the review – revealed injuries in 26 victims that were immediately lethal."

[link to bulletin.facs.org]

Note the lawyerese: "revealed injuries in 26" implies injuries in all 26, without committing to it (two of these patients are in fact in the record as transported to the hospital breathing and with a pulse).

More important is the subtle choice of "immediately lethal" instead of "immediately fatal."

Iindications are clearer than ever that Connecticut state officials lied when they said no children injured at Sandy Hook could have been saved.

According to Dr. Wayne Billups (Anderson & Rush) "a lot of these children" could have lived.

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"A lot" is a staggering word. Note again Jacob's attributed 2017 statement that each died from bleeding to death. Even if only a few could have survived--and it seems clear the number is greater than a few--we absolutely must know why children died who could have lived.* We must expose as false the claim that "It doesn't matter, because no one could have been saved." Finally, we must call out those officials who have worked to keep the fatal law enforcement mistakes of December 14, 2012 hidden from the public, and from the parents.

Jacobs just retired; maybe he's speaking more openly now?

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*It's not enough to say they died "because EMTs didn't reach them in time." Given the unprecedented fatality rate, we must know exactly why EMTs didn't reach them in time. Children should be at least as worthy of study as gunshots, which were analyzed by an audio expert to the 1000th of a second. Where was the $6000 expert working to determine how each child could have been saved, or working to show that most died simply because there were only two ambulances present in the first hour of the response? Where, in fact, is ANY medical component of the CSP's Sandy Hook investigation?
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"Dr. Jacobs took it upon himself to review each of the autopsies, and what he found was that they each died from bleeding to death. Dr. Jacobs was angered and wanted to find a solution..."
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Ponder that for a minute.

Clearly, we are not talking about only a "few" children, but many.

The fact that children at Sandy Hook School died as a result of police mistakes should have been shouted from the hilltops.

NOT because we want to shame people, but because without that level of shouting, the average American had--and still has--no idea that the most critical failure in the Sandy Hook response has gone completely unaddressed.

YES we are re-training, nationwide, on hemorrhage control. That's because many medical professionals know Sandy Hook kids died unnecessarily.

YES we are re-training on evacuation and reunification procedures, because emergency response administrators know the Sandy Hook evac and reunification was a train wreck.

We are NOT retraining on how exactly police failed to declare an MCI, a failure which set in motion a catastrophic chain reaction resulting in only two ambulances being sent for 29 gunshot wound victims in the first hour.
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Re: Hartford Hospital trauma director "angered" after finding Sandy Hook children had survivable wounds
No one died at Sandy Hook.
It was a false flag.
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No one died at Sandy Hook.
It was a false flag.
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Incorrect.
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1:08 here:

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Carver’s testimony that Pozner survived for eighty minutes after being repeatedly shot by Lanza stands in stark contrast with his remarks at a December 15, 2012 press conference.

When asked if the children suffered before dying, Carver responded, “If so, not for very long.”

Yet by Carver’s own admission Pozner suffered for quite some time.

Who attended to Pozner in his distress?

Who pronounced Pozner and his classmates dead?

According to the document it was Carver.

Yet he was not yet on the scene at 11:00AM, and many first responders were likewise denied access to the crime scene.





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This is interesting

In the autopsy report Noah’s eyes are listed as brown


He has huge blue/green eyes

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Odd that no first responders were allowed to enter the school until the giant jackass of all jackasses Carver arrived.
His performance for the cameras was astronomically stupid and odd.
NO parents were allowed to actually see their dead children according to the official story.
If I was a parent you would have to shoot me to keep me out.

The entire thing was faked.
Where was the school video of Lanza shooting his way into the school? Where was the video of him in the hallways?
They don't exist because it didn't happen. NOT ONE PERSON actually saw Lanza in the school alive.

It's all BS.
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The "no first responders were allowed to enter" is early disinfo.


There weren't any first responders on scene TO allow to enter.

They weren't even toned out until after 10:03 a.m. That's a full half hour after patients began bleeding.
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The "no first responders were allowed to enter" is early disinfo.


There weren't any first responders on scene TO allow to enter.

They weren't even toned out until after 10:03 a.m. That's a full half hour after patients began bleeding.
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No sorry - that is the truth.
They have since changed the narrative.
Why were parents not allowed to see their children and had to ID their children from photos?
Why was the school shut down with armed guards stationed at it for months afterward? Why was no one allowed to enter the crime scene?
Why was the building torn down?

Destroy the evidence of the faked shooting.
Again, no one actually saw Lanza. No video was released.
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The "no first responders were allowed to enter" is early disinfo.


There weren't any first responders on scene TO allow to enter.

They weren't even toned out until after 10:03 a.m. That's a full half hour after patients began bleeding.
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No sorry - that is the truth.
They have since changed the narrative.
Why were parents not allowed to see their children and had to ID their children from photos?
Why was the school shut down with armed guards stationed at it for months afterward? Why was no one allowed to enter the crime scene?
Why was the building torn down?

Destroy the evidence of the faked shooting.
Again, no one actually saw Lanza. No video was released.
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The first layer cover up began within minutes (if not seconds) after a Newtown police officer accidentally shot a child.

The first efforts toward panicked suppression of this fact included Newtown police keeping K-9 units OUT of the building even as state police were requesting them INSIDE the building.

Thread: Sandy Hook: Were K-9 units barred from entering the school?
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Robbie Parker getting into his acting mode acting as a grief stricken father whose daughter was just killed.
He has to try to stop smiling and laughing first.
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This is the chain reaction of failure:

1. After 5 minutes of silence, shooting erupted again in the school as NPD officers fired on plainclothed state police

2. This eruption of shooting led NPD officers Chapman and Smith to think a suspect was firing again

3. Seconds later a boy burst out of Room 10 and either Chapman or Smith shot him

4. Police panicked trying to deal with this, and no one told the dispatcher there were 29 wounded.

5. The dispatcher had been told there were 2 wounded, and sent the appropriate number of ambulances for 2 wounded: 2.

6. The dispatcher did not declare an MCI i.e. call for more than 2 ambulances, because 2 wounded is not an MCI.

7. By the time dispatch found out there were 27 additional patients, half an hour had passed.

8. Dispatch now called for more ambulances; by the time they got there, patients had bled a full hour.
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This is the chain reaction of failure:

1. After 5 minutes of silence, shooting erupted again in the school as NPD officers fired on plainclothed state police

2. This eruption of shooting led NPD officers Chapman and Smith to think a suspect was firing again

3. Seconds later a boy burst out of Room 10 and either Chapman or Smith shot him

4. Police panicked trying to deal with this, and no one told the dispatcher there were 29 wounded.

5. The dispatcher had been told there were 2 wounded, and sent the appropriate number of ambulances for 2 wounded: 2.

6. The dispatcher did not declare an MCI i.e. call for more than 2 ambulances, because 2 wounded is not an MCI.

7. By the time dispatch found out there were 27 additional patients, half an hour had passed.

8. Dispatch now called for more ambulances; by the time they got there, patients had bled a full hour.

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9. Connecticut and the town of Newtown still pay people to come to GLP and lie to you about all of this.
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No one died at Sandy Hook.
It was a false flag.
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Incorrect.
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Then how do you explain this.

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Are there any stories about people applying pressure to wounds or putting tourniquets on children?

I'd like to read such stories of how teacher tried to save children who were bleeding to death etc.

Were the cops stopping regular, everyday people from helping?

As they sometimes have been known to do?

Because a regular, everyday person with some basic skills is sure better than just lying there bleeding out.

And a person may still die. But at least someone might have been there trying to keep them alive. With pressure etc.

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This is the chain reaction of failure:

1. After 5 minutes of silence, shooting erupted again in the school as NPD officers fired on plainclothed state police

2. This eruption of shooting led NPD officers Chapman and Smith to think a suspect was firing again

3. Seconds later a boy burst out of Room 10 and either Chapman or Smith shot him

4. Police panicked trying to deal with this, and no one told the dispatcher there were 29 wounded.

5. The dispatcher had been told there were 2 wounded, and sent the appropriate number of ambulances for 2 wounded: 2.

6. The dispatcher did not declare an MCI i.e. call for more than 2 ambulances, because 2 wounded is not an MCI.

7. By the time dispatch found out there were 27 additional patients, half an hour had passed.

8. Dispatch now called for more ambulances; by the time they got there, patients had bled a full hour.

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So according to you cops went into the school and began shooting at other cops and there was a big old western shootout and 29 kids got shot by cops.

OK.
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No one died at Sandy Hook.
It was a false flag.
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Incorrect.
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Then how do you explain this.

Thread: Sandy Hook Breakthrough folks !!! !!!! - Debunk this if you can
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Buy a Ridgefield HS yearbook and find the kids in that photo in the yearbook.
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Odd that no first responders were allowed to enter the school until the giant jackass of all jackasses Carver arrived.
His performance for the cameras was astronomically stupid and odd.
NO parents were allowed to actually see their dead children according to the official story.
If I was a parent you would have to shoot me to keep me out.

The entire thing was faked.
Where was the school video of Lanza shooting his way into the school? Where was the video of him in the hallways?
They don't exist because it didn't happen. NOT ONE PERSON actually saw Lanza in the school alive.

It's all BS.
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hesright

Op is either stupid or a shill
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Are there any stories about people applying pressure to wounds or putting tourniquets on children?

I'd like to read such stories of how teacher tried to save children who were bleeding to death etc.

Were the cops stopping regular, everyday people from helping?

As they sometimes have been known to do?

Because a regular, everyday person with some basic skills is sure better than just lying there bleeding out.

And a person may still die. But at least someone might have been there trying to keep them alive. With pressure etc.
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Absolutely - that is the exact focus of the Stop the Bleed program going around the nation (you may have had a team come through your town).

It was initiated by Lenworth Jacobs - the subject of the OP.

The injured children were in two rooms for sure - 8 and 10 - and these rooms had no teachers (they had been hit).

It is very likely that room 12 also had wounded children, but the only teacher in that room was in the bathroom with uninjured children; it is unknown whether she heard injured children outside of her door, but it seems likely, given the amount of effort poured into covering up that possible scenario.

The injured teacher in Room 1 left her shoe on and didn't apply pressure; the injured teacher in Room 9 was bleeding pretty badly but staff and parents in her room were too afraid to move and help her (people were being shot right outside their door, some of them by police).
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This is the chain reaction of failure:

1. After 5 minutes of silence, shooting erupted again in the school as NPD officers fired on plainclothed state police

2. This eruption of shooting led NPD officers Chapman and Smith to think a suspect was firing again

3. Seconds later a boy burst out of Room 10 and either Chapman or Smith shot him

4. Police panicked trying to deal with this, and no one told the dispatcher there were 29 wounded.

5. The dispatcher had been told there were 2 wounded, and sent the appropriate number of ambulances for 2 wounded: 2.

6. The dispatcher did not declare an MCI i.e. call for more than 2 ambulances, because 2 wounded is not an MCI.

7. By the time dispatch found out there were 27 additional patients, half an hour had passed.

8. Dispatch now called for more ambulances; by the time they got there, patients had bled a full hour.

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So according to you cops went into the school and began shooting at other cops and there was a big old western shootout and 29 kids got shot by cops.

OK.
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No - there were about 6-8 shots in the back of the school, mostly likely by NPD firing on state police they mistook for perps. Hearing gunfire got everyone even more on edge again, so that when the child burst out of the classroom, two uninvolved cops who had just entered the school were more likely to fire in self defense (which they did).
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This is the chain reaction of failure:

1. After 5 minutes of silence, shooting erupted again in the school as NPD officers fired on plainclothed state police

2. This eruption of shooting led NPD officers Chapman and Smith to think a suspect was firing again

3. Seconds later a boy burst out of Room 10 and either Chapman or Smith shot him

4. Police panicked trying to deal with this, and no one told the dispatcher there were 29 wounded.

5. The dispatcher had been told there were 2 wounded, and sent the appropriate number of ambulances for 2 wounded: 2.

6. The dispatcher did not declare an MCI i.e. call for more than 2 ambulances, because 2 wounded is not an MCI.

7. By the time dispatch found out there were 27 additional patients, half an hour had passed.

8. Dispatch now called for more ambulances; by the time they got there, patients had bled a full hour.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69950254


So according to you cops went into the school and began shooting at other cops and there was a big old western shootout and 29 kids got shot by cops.

OK.
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No - there were about 6-8 shots in the back of the school, mostly likely by NPD firing on state police they mistook for perps. Hearing gunfire got everyone even more on edge again, so that when the child burst out of the classroom, two uninvolved cops who had just entered the school were more likely to fire in self defense (which they did).
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This is very important:

It is almost certainly the resumption of gunfire (aka NPD firing on state police) that drove the child out of the classroom he'd been safely hiding in.

This is why lawyers are making such a big deal about school staff "failing to announce lockdown." They're trying to argue that if staff had announced a lockdown, Jesse Lewis would have remained in his hiding place instead of running into the hall.

The school had been quiet for 5 minutes; Jesse was safely hiding. Then NPD open fire on state police, and Jesse thought a perp was shooting again, this time further away from him, so he thought he could run (like a bunch of his buddies did).

Unfortunately, when he ran into the hall, police fired on him.
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It is for all of these reasons that Connecticut State Police were mad as hell at Newtown police for years after 2012 (and perhaps still are today).

They even held an awards ceremony for first responders; Newtown was not invited.
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No one died at Sandy Hook.
It was a false flag.
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Incorrect.
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Then how do you explain this.

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Buy a Ridgefield HS yearbook and find the kids in that photo in the yearbook.
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I already found a photo. Its shows nine girls all standing together. Looks real to me.
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I asked anyone to debunk that photo and they can't. Ridgefield is strangely silent on the matter. Isn't that interesting.
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If memory serves me they weren't even transported to hospital. They were left in building until later that night or next day. They never happens period. If if person is dead after injury or in critical condition they attempts are made to save them in the ambulance or at the hospital before being pronounced dead at the scene when it has just happened.
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This is the chain reaction of failure:

1. After 5 minutes of silence, shooting erupted again in the school as NPD officers fired on plainclothed state police

2. This eruption of shooting led NPD officers Chapman and Smith to think a suspect was firing again

3. Seconds later a boy burst out of Room 10 and either Chapman or Smith shot him

4. Police panicked trying to deal with this, and no one told the dispatcher there were 29 wounded.

5. The dispatcher had been told there were 2 wounded, and sent the appropriate number of ambulances for 2 wounded: 2.

6. The dispatcher did not declare an MCI i.e. call for more than 2 ambulances, because 2 wounded is not an MCI.

7. By the time dispatch found out there were 27 additional patients, half an hour had passed.

8. Dispatch now called for more ambulances; by the time they got there, patients had bled a full hour.

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This is all you honey!:
9. Connecticut and the town of Newtown still pay people to come to GLP and lie to you about all of this.
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