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The Truth About The Secret Rapture

 
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The Truth About The Secret Rapture
Will there be rapture?

Yes. Rapture means "to be carried away with power."

"Then we, which are alive and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1Thessalonians 4:17.

Will it be a secret rapture?

"No! The Bible tells us that Christ's return will be:

Literal
"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11.

Heaven-sent messengers told the disciples that Jesus would return to this earth in the same manner as He left. Christ left in the clouds and He will come back in the clouds.

Spectacular
"Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." Luke 21:26, 27.

"And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." Isaiah 25:9.

Visible
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him." Revelation 1:7.

Christ was visible when He left and He will be visible when He comes again.

"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matthew 24:27.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:30.

The Bible is very clear that when Jesus comes back, His feet will not touch the ground. The righteous will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1Thessalonians 4:17). This is why Jesus warns us: : "Therefore if they say to you, "Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or "Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." Matthew 24:26, 27.

Audible
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1Thessalonians 4:16, 17.

"The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout." Jeremiah 25:30.

"Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him." Psalms 50:3.



Why is Christ coming?

To resurrect His dedicated people who are dead: "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:40.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." 1Corinthians 15:22, 23.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1Thessalonians 4:16, 17.

This is the Bible's description of the rapture. The dead in Christ will rise by His power and will meet Him in the air. Afterward the faithful who are still alive will also be caught up. It will not be a secret!

To reward His dedicated people: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matthew 16:27.

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12.

It is at Christ's return that we will receive our final reward. Each person's destiny will have already been decided.

What will happen to the earth?

"The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again."Isaiah 24:19, 20.

"And the heaven [sky] departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:14.

"And there were voices, and thunders, and lightings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." Revelation 16:18-20.

If that is what the Bible teaches, how then did the idea of a secret rapture arise?

Here are a few verses used to support the Secret Rapture theory:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night" 2Peter 3:10.

Many conclude that this means that there will be a secret rapture. But if we continue the passage:
"in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat; the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2Peter 3:10.

"If the good man of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." Luke 12:39, 40

Here Christ is using a parable to point out the unexpectedness of His return, and admonishes us to therefore watch and pray.

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Luke 17:34-36.

This verse simply implies that at the end, there will be just two groups of people living upon the earth the lost and the saved.

Why is the Secret Rapture belief popular?

Many have come to believe that the Secret Rapture will take place quietly and faithful Christians around the world will suddenly disappear while life here on earth will continue for a seven-year period of tribulation. During this time, they say, many will be converted and have a "second chance" at salvation before Christ's final coming, but we know that Satan would have us believe that so that we can delay our conversion to Christ.

This belief is popular because it teaches that the dedicated people of God will not have to go 'through tribulation' and the wicked will have a second chance; but the Bible does not teach that:

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.

But the Lord will be with His children during tribulation Praise His Name.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
John 16:33.
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too bad it's not broken down more for us brain dead people.
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Re: The Truth About The Secret Rapture
There will be NO 'rapture' - secret or other wise.



This is the subject Paul is adressing: Where are the dead?

((1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (dead), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.))

1Th 4:14 For ((if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.))
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,

and with the trump of God:
(What is GOD'S trump? It is the last one, the 7th trump. Read Revelation. It is the end of all things. EVERYONE ON EARTH IS CHANGED AT THIS TIME.)

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(They will rise first BECAUSE they are already gone - when they died)


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(Again, it said 'we which are alive and remain'. Did it say all us Christians? NO.)



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Thank you for the essay!

Keep in mind, in 4:17 there is no article 'THE' in the original Greek. It should read "in Clouds" NOT 'in [the] clouds. Interestingly, only the JW's Bible, the Weymouth, and Youngs Literal interprets it properly.

Why is this in important? Because in Acts 1, Jesus ascended the same way and the angels said to look for Him to return the SAME way - further crushing the erroneous rapture doctrine.
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Also, there are two Greek words that describe 'air' in the NT

1.) AERA - local air, kick the dust into air
2.) OURANEOUS - the heavenlies, way up

in 4:17 the word used is AERA.

So yes, His feet will touch the ground and the overcomers of the past 2000 years and current will receive the honor of the 1st resurrection to life (Rev 20:6) ON EARTH
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If you meant to say the "truth about the rapture" then your right but it will not be secret! The bible says every eye shall see him when he comes. When the bible says it will come as a thief in the night it's not talking about his second coming it's talking about when he comes to our name to be judged. That is why it's so important not to put off making a decision to give your life to him till you start to see things really turning for the worse. I guess the main reason is cause no one even knows if they will be alive tomorrow!

When he says he comes back and his feet touch the mount of olives it's talking about after the 1000 years and when that happens it will be with the saved that went with him when he came the first time and all the righteous were caught up to meet him in the air. For the 1000 years the earth has been desolate but the devil will be loosed from his chains. Not a real chain but a chain of circumstance meaning that there will be no one left on the earth to tempt for the 1000 years that the righteous will be in heaven with the Lord.

Don't get tricked into thinking it's a Secret" event. The bible says the wicked will cry for the rocks and hills to fall on them to shield their eyes from seeing the holy man of God. Sin cannot live in the presence of a pure sinless and holy being.

The saved will not be taken away b4 trouble starts but they will be protected during it.

People get ready there's a train a comin
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People get ready there's a train a comin
 Quoting: beemerben 180196


People Get Ready...

Jesus(God) Is Coming...

SOON!!!
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I think the only ones saved will be those that have not been tainted by religion.
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If you meant to say the "truth about the rapture" then your right but it will not be secret! The bible says every eye shall see him when he comes. When the bible says it will come as a thief in the night it's not talking about his second coming it's talking about when he comes to our name to be judged. That is why it's so important not to put off making a decision to give your life to him till you start to see things really turning for the worse. I guess the main reason is cause no one even knows if they will be alive tomorrow!

When he says he comes back and his feet touch the mount of olives it's talking about after the 1000 years and when that happens it will be with the saved that went with him when he came the first time and all the righteous were caught up to meet him in the air. For the 1000 years the earth has been desolate but the devil will be loosed from his chains. Not a real chain but a chain of circumstance meaning that there will be no one left on the earth to tempt for the 1000 years that the righteous will be in heaven with the Lord.

Don't get tricked into thinking it's a Secret" event. The bible says the wicked will cry for the rocks and hills to fall on them to shield their eyes from seeing the holy man of God. Sin cannot live in the presence of a pure sinless and holy being.

The saved will not be taken away b4 trouble starts but they will be protected during it.

People get ready there's a train a comin
 Quoting: beemerben 180196



One major problem. John 6:44 says "No one can come to me (Jesus) unless the Father 'draws' him.

1.) "No one can come to me" No person can simply make a decision one day or at an alter call to 'come to Christ', the REAL Christ. If you were coerced through a religious ceremony or an alter call, you have likely been led to the WRONG Jesus.

2.) "Unless the Father draws him" The actual Greek work where 'draw' was inserted is HELKUO which means DRAG like one would drag a fishing net, not draw. So, if you have not been literally DRAGGED to Jesus through Divine revelation you likely worship the WRONG Jesus.

3.) The earth will NOT be desolate for 1000 years. In fact this thousand year period is the millenial rule and reign of Christ and His overcomers. Heaven was never intended for man (John 3:13) Earth is.

Believe the scriptures
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Hey BH I do believe the scriptures and no where in the bible does it say that during the 1000 years it's on the earth. I do believe that this earth will be the final home but that is not until the 1000 years has past.

The Lord does not come back to this earth at the second coming the bible says that the saved are caught up to meet him in the air. It also says that the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of his coming.

"Then we, which are alive and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1Thessalonians 4:17.
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Hey BH I do believe the scriptures and no where in the bible does it say that during the 1000 years it's on the earth. I do believe that this earth will be the final home but that is not until the 1000 years has past.

The Lord does not come back to this earth at the second coming the bible says that the saved are caught up to meet him in the air. It also says that the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of his coming.

"Then we, which are alive and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1Thessalonians 4:17.
 Quoting: beemerben 180196


Once again, it's 'in clouds' and local air.

Careful with literal interpretation, especially English converted from Greek.

Rev. 20:4 tells us that those who inherit the first resurrection are those who have been "beheaded." So does John imply a literal beheading? Being crucified with Christ has to do with an inner process of the heart. It involves losing one's own "head" (i.e., mind and will) and receiving a new Head, which is Jesus Christ. If it were not so, then Jesus Himself would have had to die by beheading, rather than by crucifixion, for He established the pattern death.





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