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Duality deserves ignorance and vice-versa

 
gus
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I recently said that duality should be destroyed in a response and received some bad reviews about it. It was fair enough because I was being emotional at that time, and forgot about the paradoxical nature of duality that somehow makes it necessary but at the same time unnecessary. I was not clear enough about what I meant by "destroyed". It was basically the same as the other posters: to be transcended, left aside and ignored.

But there is something that remains unclear in most people's heads and in this particular aspect, I consider myself more through.

The ones praising duality as important and "necessary" are the same ones that consider evil as necessary to maintain some kind of "universal balance", that is also part of dual thinking.

OK, suddenly you become enlightened and start to think that all is in place, that the conflicts of duality will continue to exist forever and there is nothing that we can do. then you sit down and meditates away..because all is already Love...all is peace...

cool? no, stupid. I don't think all is in place. I think there is work to do.

duality and evil demand respect, but they should be destroyed sooner or later.

when I say destroyed, i mean left aside. through conscious desire to be one, evil and duality are left aside. and so they are destroyed. the nature of duality is to be temporary. if we don't destroy it, it will commit suicide anyway.

the fact that we still acknowledge duality as something important is a sign of dumb fascination for something that should be left aside. by even saying this word "duality", we are empowering this abstract concept named by it. duality exists through everyday contrasts, isolation and separation. by giving something a name, such as "duality", you give it a body, a contrast, and you bring it into existence. duality should not have a name and should not even be mentioned at all. i mean, it is dangerous: duality represents non-existence. do we want to bring non-existence into existence?

"time" is another word which i don't like, but this is another story.

how could duality be necessary. absolutely not. this is hypocrisy. Unity has all that duality has and more. duality will never be necessary. duality will never be anything. it represents all that deviates from truth and freedom. duality is backwards thinking. it can not and never will be necessary.

I repeat: duality is not necessary because Unity already includes it and much more.

Ok, deep inside we all know that there is a necessary but painful course in our lifes that must be traversed in order to build experience and understanding. ok...and in this sense, duality is necessary for you and for your eyes only.

However, I would never recommend duality to someone else. It is the same as desiring the person's death. I would never tell a person that she is suffering because of her Karma or because of some fucking "universal balance", which are expressions of causalistic duality. For me, cause and effect is the most dangerous abstraction that one can have about the world he lives in. No wonder we are sunken into deep shit. The great Western culture is all about CAUSE AND EFFECT.

Now you know how I feel.









this is ridiculous. if you see duality, aniquolate it. don't leave it lingering.

in fact conciosu duality is nto duality anymore. duality exists by unconscious,
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last two phrases are junk, ignore it.
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obs.: i'm OP
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06/11/2007 01:53 PM
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Stop being a drama queen.

This earthly existence is pathetically short.

Accept it for what it is and work within the overt guidelines.

But by all means, ignore the existence of "bad" and experience the consequences for yourself.

You are free to, you know.
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06/13/2007 03:36 PM
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Here's an example of what I mentioned:

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AC says

"if there was no evil, good would not be a difference
if there was no cold, warm would not be a difference
if there was no -insert anything-, -insert the counterpart- would not be a difference

duality gives richness of experience"

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this is the kind of thing that suits an all-encompassing God better. for us, it does not make any sense whatsoever. duality in this planet represents evil and evil must be destroyed. end of story.

only when you are at the top of the Universe will you consider duality to be necessary.

at the fourth dimension I believe duality to have a more balancing aspect. yet it still embodies evil.

only at the last dimension, in the place of God is that duality becomes somehow part of the Whole. until there, duality is the NEGATION of the Whole.
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06/13/2007 03:43 PM
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Here's an example of what I mentioned:


this is the kind of thing that suits an all-encompassing God better. for us, it does not make any sense whatsoever. duality in this planet represents evil and evil must be destroyed. end of story.

only when you are at the top of the Universe will you consider duality to be necessary.

at the fourth dimension I believe duality to have a more balancing aspect. yet it still embodies evil.

only at the last dimension, in the place of God is that duality becomes somehow part of the Whole. until there, duality is the NEGATION of the Whole.
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Gus, by calling duality evil you are judging duality using duality. If you want to judge duality from the place that would be "above" duality, you find that you have no need to judge it. For, the place above duality does not judge; only duality brings on judgement. Only duality allows one to be able to discern any need for judgement. Above duality, all just is. You are calling the kettle black, my son.
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06/13/2007 03:49 PM
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lol Jodido, Throw some Tao at him why don't ya!

The raindrop that becomes the sea, then the cloud, then the sea again will always be a tear in the eye of a child.-Phoenix
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06/13/2007 03:51 PM
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But I know what you are attempting to say. Let me give you are picture of what is happening:

God is white light; one color. What we have here is that white light, after it is put through a prism. It is god seperated.

My first mental bout with duality, though I did not use that word, was in my thoughts about Jesus vs. the Devil. One represents good, the other bad. They both say; "Come to me, I will make it better." I said; "No; I will be myself." Divide and conguer...

You know, God's chosen one is chosen because he is the most balanced.
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06/13/2007 03:58 PM
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bring it on.
Gus, by calling duality evil you are judging duality using duality. If you want to judge duality from the place that would be "above" duality, you find that you have no need to judge it. For, the place above duality does not judge; only duality brings on judgement. Only duality allows one to be able to discern any need for judgement. Above duality, all just is. You are calling the kettle black, my son.
 Quoting: Jodido


good try but you lost it. your perception span is limited because your answers never take into account the whole thing I said, only small bits where your ego perceives to be inconsistent but would make sense if you respected me enough to see the context of what i'm saying. i made myself very clear when saying that I was against the word duality being even mentioned or discussed because it brings judgement into play and empowers it.

By bringing this word into play, judgment becomes immediately apparent.

exatcly what you said now. DUH?

in fact i was never at ill with you. your answers on the other thread were correct about the need to transcend duality. i never opposed you in particular. the AC's were much worse with their "duality is necessary" talk.

for me duality is IRRELEVANT for all I see is the Point.

but now you come here trying to "oppose" something.

my conclusion is that you have revealed the limits of your perception.

i'm at work , but bring it on.
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06/13/2007 04:03 PM
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Duality is like duel tires on a semi. It's a back up in case one fails.
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06/13/2007 04:07 PM
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The OP speaks of the Middle Pillar.

A blending of the extremes to find harmony.
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06/13/2007 04:09 PM
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bring it on.
Gus, by calling duality evil you are judging duality using duality. If you want to judge duality from the place that would be "above" duality, you find that you have no need to judge it. For, the place above duality does not judge; only duality brings on judgement. Only duality allows one to be able to discern any need for judgement. Above duality, all just is. You are calling the kettle black, my son.


good try but you lost it. your perception span is limited because your answers never take into account the whole thing I said, only small bits where your ego perceives to be inconsistent but would make sense if you respected me enough to see the context of what i'm saying. i made myself very clear when saying that I was against the word duality being even mentioned or discussed because it brings judgement into play and empowers it.

By bringing this word into play, judgment becomes immediately apparent.

exatcly what you said now. DUH?

in fact i was never at ill with you. your answers on the other thread were correct about the need to transcend duality. i never opposed you in particular. the AC's were much worse with their "duality is necessary" talk.

for me duality is IRRELEVANT for all I see is the Point.

but now you come here trying to "oppose" something.

my conclusion is that you have revealed the limits of your perception.

i'm at work , but bring it on.
 Quoting: gus 224683

If something is IRRELEVANT to you, why bother posting so much about it. You seem to have a big opinion about something that is totally IRRELEVANT to you; starting your own thread on it even, and even calling it evil.
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06/13/2007 04:18 PM
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"duality and evil demand respect, but they should be destroyed sooner or later."



This spiritual and physical realm of duality we live in was designed as such to allow us free will to choose either/or...for the reason that when there is no duality of right and wrong, there is no choice.

So you're right, there are some dualties that are necessary, such at hot and cold water, day and night.

But when it comes to the spiritual plane we are NOT to embrace or choose evil.

why?


because evil is a destroyer.
gus (OP)
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06/13/2007 04:20 PM
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Look jordido, I'm just being silly. Forget my last post.
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06/13/2007 04:27 PM
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I'm just reinforcing the other side, Jodido. Informing people about this trap. I see too much blind fascination for duality nowadays, as if it was the last stop before total enlightenment. I think that understanding the intrinsic two sides of everything is a small step towards seeing how these two sides operate as one, or were never separated at all..
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"No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lamp stand, that those who come in may see the light. The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, the whole body will be full of light, as when the bright shining of a lamp gives you light."

Luke 11:33-36




Gospel of Thomas

verse 22

"Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."
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06/13/2007 04:42 PM
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the white light analogy is very good indeed.
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06/13/2007 05:28 PM
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I'm just reinforcing the other side, Jodido. Informing people about this trap. I see too much blind fascination for duality nowadays, as if it was the last stop before total enlightenment. I think that understanding the intrinsic two sides of everything is a small step towards seeing how these two sides operate as one, or were never separated at all..
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Thanks Gus, re white light. I am responding to this post, though, because I think you may have hit the nail on the proverbial head when you said; "as if it was the last stop." Do you know about the Mayans? They seemed to think that we have been going through something. By their reckoning, the end of this thing we are going through is 2012. They were kinda specialists in counting time. It is their opinion that what we are going through increases, on a logarithmic scale (like: 1, 5, 10, 15 ...). As we have been going througgh time, to the end of this thing, we have been also increasing in something. Creation speeding up? Anyway, the way they count down to the end of things, in a logarithmic kinda way, has reminded me of a pyramid.

Maybe its like we have been building a pyramid? The way a pyramid is built... You start with many stones on the bottom. As you go up you get less and less stones. The world is fast becoming a smaller and smaller place. At the top of the pyramid, the final destination, is one stone. The level before that last and final stop, is two stones. Duality...
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Maybe its like we have been building a pyramid? The way a pyramid is built... You start with many stones on the bottom. As you go up you get less and less stones. The world is fast becoming a smaller and smaller place. At the top of the pyramid, the final destination, is one stone. The level before that last and final stop, is two stones. Duality...
 Quoting: Jodido


The nine stepped Pyramids were designed for that exact reason.... depicting each level or age of consciousness that leads upward to the ascension of humanity.
eth
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more information about it...

[link to www.soultravel.nu]
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06/13/2007 06:17 PM
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yea i've studied the mayan calendar.

your analogy makes sense. have you seen Terence Mackenna's Time Wave theory? He sees a pyramid to, I think, and we are approaching singularity at the top of it.

so many things to study..lol
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yea i've studied the mayan calendar.

your analogy makes sense. have you seen Terence Mackenna's Time Wave theory? He sees a pyramid to, I think, and we are approaching singularity at the top of it.

so many things to study..lol
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No, never heard of it. But maybe the important thing here to see is the rise of polarity. First there was the rise of East vs. West after WW2. In the 90's people noticed that the younger generation was becoming more polarized. Is that a sign that we reached the step before the top step? I tell ya, next to the increase in "civilization", weather (in this planet and in the other planets in this solar system), UFO's, and religions or peoples all over the world having prophesies about THIS time frame, this 2012 thing is looking better and better.
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The real duality...

[link to video.google.com]
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This is a good video:
[link to video.google.com]
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This is a good video:
[link to video.google.com]
 Quoting: Jodido

It is VERY interesting that the 1st Baktun (a Mayan span of 20 years) after 2012 says it is the end of the word of god.
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Reup the videos if possible plz
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But I know what you are attempting to say. Let me give you are picture of what is happening:

God is white light; one color. What we have here is that white light, after it is put through a prism. It is god seperated.

My first mental bout with duality, though I did not use that word, was in my thoughts about Jesus vs. the Devil. One represents good, the other bad. They both say; "Come to me, I will make it better." I said; "No; I will be myself." Divide and conguer...

You know, God's chosen one is chosen because he is the most balanced.
 Quoting: Jodido


He is with us now.





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