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NASA Thrust Equation gets destroyed.

 
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Something that shows an equal and opposite force from gas movement due due to pressure gradient force.
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Like *WHAT?* Spell out every step of an experiment you would accept. *WHAT* would show an equal and opposite force from gas movement due due to pressure gradient force *TO YOU?*
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That is up you to discover ain’t it mate?
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That's not the way science works. I am asking a pretty straightforward question. After all, if there is *no evidence* that will change one's mind at all; if there is quite literally nothing that can do it, the conversation is kind of at an end, isn't it?

So, I ask again: Spell out every step of an experiment you would accept. *WHAT* would show an equal and opposite force from gas movement due due to pressure gradient force *TO YOU?* If you can't answer this straightforward question rationally, just admit it.
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Plenty of evidence has been provided that rockets do not work in space. Now the ball is in your court to prove that they do.

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Good stuff OP. Near 10 pages and no one is touching your claims. Only shills with nasa videos

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one video was a screenshot of him plying Starcraft. The second video the rocket didn’t leave earth

How about a simple experiment?
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Bullshit in both accusations. The Falcon Heavy boosters reached 100 km altitude, they had no problem reversing course using their rocket engines in a vacuum better than a laboratory vacuum chamber. The other video is not a video game, it's real footage too.

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 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

What bollocks.
The thing didn’t even go to
Space
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77441030


That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The evidence shows that the thing went to space, it was witnessed by thousands of people, and Astro filmed it, firsthand, uncut from takeoff to landing. If that isn't acceptable evidence to you, pray, what is?

By comparison, you offer *nothing* in the way of evidence that the Falcon Heavy 'didn't even go to space.' See how that works?
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Astro be like watch my vid of rocket stil visible in the blue sky. I can also see airplanes in the blue sky.
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Bullshit in both accusations. The Falcon Heavy boosters reached 100 km altitude, they had no problem reversing course using their rocket engines in a vacuum better than a laboratory vacuum chamber. The other video is not a video game, it's real footage too.

[link to russianspaceweb.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

What bollocks.
The thing didn’t even go to
Space
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77441030


That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The evidence shows that the thing went to space, it was witnessed by thousands of people, and Astro filmed it, firsthand, uncut from takeoff to landing. If that isn't acceptable evidence to you, pray, what is?

By comparison, you offer *nothing* in the way of evidence that the Falcon Heavy 'didn't even go to space.' See how that works?
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Astro be like watch my vid of rocket stil visible in the blue sky. I can also see airplanes in the blue sky.
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I can also see ISS in the "blue sky" but that doesn't mean it's not in space.

It most certainly is in space, which is a fact I've verified myself.

It does not follow that just because something is visible "in the blue sky" that it means it must not be in space. The moon, sun and Venus can all be seen by naked eye in broad daylight. What, did you expect the blue sky to turn black as it went into space? That only happens from the perspective of the rocket, not a ground observer watching it!
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Plenty of evidence has been provided that rockets do not work in space. Now the ball is in your court to prove that they do.

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Sigh. One step forward, two steps back. You ALSO avoid my challenge altogether. When Astro provided motion captures of a satellite firing a thruster in space taken by a telescope, it is called fake (with no evidence to, of course, back that up). When one can see the ISS in orbit with your OWN naked eye, and Space X docking with it YOURSELF, fake is yelled again. Believers won't even be arsed to go to sites identifying satellites you can see from your very spot on Earth and *look up.* There is *no evidence* you'll accept that rockets work in space. None. If you want to prove me wrong, spell out *exactly* what evidence you WOULD accept. And imagine my shock when you don't.
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Astro is like I can t disprove any of op’s claims so here is some video that is ambiguous
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Astro is like I can t disprove any of op’s claims so here is some video that is ambiguous
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Yeah, he be like, shit man this dude’s right, I better derail this motherfucker and post some obscure shit about the ISS being visible in a blue sky.

Shit nigg*r, I rock.
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Astro is like I can t disprove any of op’s claims so here is some video that is ambiguous
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72591242

What particular type of neurological dysfunction would compel a human being to make such a statement?

Is it
A - sociopathy
B - retardation
C - wilful ignorance (i.e. you're not actually human)
D - insanity
or E - a combination of the above?
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Astro is like I can t disprove any of op’s claims so here is some video that is ambiguous
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72591242

What particular type of neurological dysfunction would compel a human being to make such a statement?

Is it
A - sociopathy
B - retardation
C - wilful ignorance (i.e. you're not actually human)
D - insanity
or E - a combination of the above?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Science is reproducible and verifiable. If you can’t verify that rocket can work in a vacuum in earth, it doesn’t work no matter how may alleged videos there are.
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Nice find

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No reply to my challenge but ad hominems of Astro?

How typical.
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Astro is like I can t disprove any of op’s claims so here is some video that is ambiguous
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72591242

What particular type of neurological dysfunction would compel a human being to make such a statement?

Is it
A - sociopathy
B - retardation
C - wilful ignorance (i.e. you're not actually human)
D - insanity
or E - a combination of the above?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Science is reproducible and verifiable. If you can’t verify that rocket can work in a vacuum in earth, it doesn’t work
no matter how may alleged videos there are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77429764

Your hysterical blindness to the evidence is of no concern to the sane people.

By your logic, since YOU CAN'T PROVE that these videos are faked they must be genuine.

Logic much?
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OP, please explain the ISS and other satellites seen in the sky per published sighting schedules....how did they all get up there...and stay up there?
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Prove that satellites exist in space and you’re not just seeing a plane flying by.
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people 50 miles apart also see the ISS, in generally the same azimuth and elevations...an aircraft at cruising altitude wouldn't allow this, only an object vastly higher.
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two people, 200 miles apart, see the same object in orbit above them, simultaneously (slightly different azimuths).

Dude, there's only 11,000 or so objects in Earth orbit, nice clear night you might see a couple or few after sunset...some do polar orbits, others more low inclination orbits. Some are living about 100 miles up, others in geosynch around 24k miles out.. it's quite possible you're using one right now.....I am, watching DTV.

believe what you want, it's what you really know that matters.. and without satellites in orbit around Earth, we'd be in the 50s again...no instant internet, news, wireless international calls, real time satellite weather, phone calling China from Colorado...try that with ground systems, pal...had a great conversation with my niece...

I know what's real....you're just "uh-uh"...
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None of those things work by satellite, those signals are transmitted by towers or cables.
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in the middle of the Pacific Ocean???
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In a vacuum I do not think that you can even have combustion.
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What you think is irrelevant.

If your reasoning based on your interpretation of scientific principles leads you to a DEMONSTRABLY wrong conclusion than your reasoning or your understanding of the relevant scientific principles (or both) must be wrong too.

In science observation beats theory every time.
Rocket propulsion works in space, why it does is secondary.
You not understanding the why, or being very confused about it, doesn't change the facts.
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Give this demonstration then that disproves it.
 Quoting: Norwegian Tard 69278179

You are aware that there are man-made objects orbiting the Earth?

If you're going to post some space video from NASA then go fuck yourself. Fuckwit.
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Proposing a complicated conspiracy involving millions of people just so you can hang on to your delusion that one of the simplest machines imaginable doesn't work is and irrational and not parsimonious.

The most parsimonious explanation of this kerfuffle is obviously you being and stupid and ignorant and paranoid.
IOW just another typical conspiritard, the modern day iteration of a village idiot.
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It doesn't involve millions of people.

All the millions of scientists engineers and workers who build the spacecraft all think they are really flying in space.

They are watching the same CGI we are and thinking they are doing something great, when they are being lied to.

Imagine the rage from the millions of "space employees" ( who don't actually go to space ) and they find out they have been lied to all these years???
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What bollocks.
The thing didn’t even go to
Space
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That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The evidence shows that the thing went to space, it was witnessed by thousands of people, and Astro filmed it, firsthand, uncut from takeoff to landing. If that isn't acceptable evidence to you, pray, what is?

By comparison, you offer *nothing* in the way of evidence that the Falcon Heavy 'didn't even go to space.' See how that works?
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Astro be like watch my vid of rocket stil visible in the blue sky. I can also see airplanes in the blue sky.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77441821


I can also see ISS in the "blue sky" but that doesn't mean it's not in space.

It most certainly is in space, which is a fact I've verified myself.

It does not follow that just because something is visible "in the blue sky" that it means it must not be in space. The moon, sun and Venus can all be seen by naked eye in broad daylight. What, did you expect the blue sky to turn black as it went into space? That only happens from the perspective of the rocket, not a ground observer watching it!
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ISS just a projector mounted on a plane.
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That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The evidence shows that the thing went to space, it was witnessed by thousands of people, and Astro filmed it, firsthand, uncut from takeoff to landing. If that isn't acceptable evidence to you, pray, what is?

By comparison, you offer *nothing* in the way of evidence that the Falcon Heavy 'didn't even go to space.' See how that works?
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Astro be like watch my vid of rocket stil visible in the blue sky. I can also see airplanes in the blue sky.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77441821


I can also see ISS in the "blue sky" but that doesn't mean it's not in space.

It most certainly is in space, which is a fact I've verified myself.

It does not follow that just because something is visible "in the blue sky" that it means it must not be in space. The moon, sun and Venus can all be seen by naked eye in broad daylight. What, did you expect the blue sky to turn black as it went into space? That only happens from the perspective of the rocket, not a ground observer watching it!
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ISS just a projector mounted on a plane.
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Even if low earth orbit was real, ISS was real and satellites were real, that doesn't prove the earth is a ball.

The existence of an area where we can supposedly float above the earth without the affects of gravity really doesn't make sense on a ball earth either.

So it is possible that low earth orbit exists.

But the earth is still flat.
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Good stuff OP. Near 10 pages and no one is touching your claims. Only shills with nasa videos

bump
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...that's refreshing to see...down to Earth, hard hitting facts...NOT! Phone service in the middle of the Atlantic, weather satellite photos, GPS in the middle of nowhere....ICBMs. OP is running on ignorance and lack of interest in spaceflight...probable a chemtrail shill as well. Ignorance is bliss...he doesn't know anything about spaceflight, and doesn't care...
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Absolute :bs2:.
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you can't bs math
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what are the dots of light going over at night, matching the sighting guides for various satellites/space stations...and can be seen from widely separated viewing sites 100 miles away at the same time (at a different angle, of course)?

you can't bs orbital mechanics either...
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It could be plane or balloons. The night sky was sparkling with start and lights before satellites

Still can’t bs math
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You're a fucking idiot. You use flawed math. You can go down to any amateur rocket launches, and it will prove to your FACE, you're wrong. Dumbass.
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The real question is, after nearly 70 years, propulsion rockets are still all we have? No advancements at all except more efficient fuels but same basic technology? Whats up with that?
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No viable evidence has been presented which refutes spaceflight. Misunderstanding a simple equation is not evidence of anything except ignorance.

action/reaction.. proportionally...that's why Aldrin had such a hard time on his EVA with the docked Agena. It's why there are tether attachment points and handholds all over the exterior of the ISS...you touch something big, and it's mass pushes back.
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Even if low earth orbit was real, ISS was real and satellites were real, that doesn't prove the earth is a ball.

The existence of an area where we can supposedly float above the earth without the affects of gravity really doesn't make sense on a ball earth either.

So it is possible that low earth orbit exists.

But the earth is still flat.
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How can you ORBIT a flat Earth? What keeps you up? Orbital Mechanics can't work over a flat surface.
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No viable evidence has been presented which refutes spaceflight. Misunderstanding a simple equation is not evidence of anything except ignorance.

action/reaction.. proportionally...that's why Aldrin had such a hard time on his EVA with the docked Agena. It's why there are tether attachment points and handholds all over the exterior of the ISS...you touch something big, and it's mass pushes back.
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Why don’t you point out the misunderstanding?
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Why don’t you point out the misunderstanding?
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The vacuum cleaner provides an external source of flow going through two holes in the pipe. Why should there be a force on the pipe as would happen if gas contained inside it was expelled from one end? These are entirely different systems. The one example has no bearing on the other.

Similarly, your conclusion is incorrect with the equations. Velocity is inherent to both mass flow rate and volumetric flow rate. But I don't see how this has anything to do with your vacuum cleaner example and conclusion.

Force is proportional to mass flow rate, yes. And? There is nothing here.
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Why don’t you point out the misunderstanding?
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The vacuum cleaner provides an external source of flow going through two holes in the pipe. Why should there be a force on the pipe as would happen if gas contained inside it was expelled from one end? These are entirely different systems. The one example has no bearing on the other.

Similarly, your conclusion is incorrect with the equations. Velocity is inherent to both mass flow rate and volumetric flow rate. But I don't see how this has anything to do with your vacuum cleaner example and conclusion.

Force is proportional to mass flow rate, yes. And? There is nothing here.
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can vacuum cleaners fly?
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Why don’t you point out the misunderstanding?
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The vacuum cleaner provides an external source of flow going through two holes in the pipe. Why should there be a force on the pipe as would happen if gas contained inside it was expelled from one end? These are entirely different systems. The one example has no bearing on the other.

Similarly, your conclusion is incorrect with the equations. Velocity is inherent to both mass flow rate and volumetric flow rate. But I don't see how this has anything to do with your vacuum cleaner example and conclusion.

Force is proportional to mass flow rate, yes. And? There is nothing here.
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The vacuum cleaner simply creates low pressure, that is all.

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

The equation stated that there is force due to mass flow rate exiting a pipe. There is flow rate exiting the pipe. Where is the force observed?
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Why don’t you point out the misunderstanding?
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The vacuum cleaner provides an external source of flow going through two holes in the pipe. Why should there be a force on the pipe as would happen if gas contained inside it was expelled from one end? These are entirely different systems. The one example has no bearing on the other.

Similarly, your conclusion is incorrect with the equations. Velocity is inherent to both mass flow rate and volumetric flow rate. But I don't see how this has anything to do with your vacuum cleaner example and conclusion.

Force is proportional to mass flow rate, yes. And? There is nothing here.
 Quoting: syncro


The vacuum cleaner simply creates low pressure, that is all.

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

The equation stated that there is force due to mass flow rate exiting a pipe. There is flow rate exiting the pipe. Where is the force observed?
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Air is moving due to difference in pressure caused by the vacuum cleaner. We have mass and acceleration, force.
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Why don’t you point out the misunderstanding?
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The vacuum cleaner provides an external source of flow going through two holes in the pipe. Why should there be a force on the pipe as would happen if gas contained inside it was expelled from one end? These are entirely different systems. The one example has no bearing on the other.

Similarly, your conclusion is incorrect with the equations. Velocity is inherent to both mass flow rate and volumetric flow rate. But I don't see how this has anything to do with your vacuum cleaner example and conclusion.

Force is proportional to mass flow rate, yes. And? There is nothing here.
 Quoting: syncro


The vacuum cleaner simply creates low pressure, that is all.

[link to www.quora.com (secure)]

The equation stated that there is force due to mass flow rate exiting a pipe. There is flow rate exiting the pipe. Where is the force observed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77446242


Air is moving due to difference in pressure caused by the vacuum cleaner. We have mass and acceleration, force.
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The acceleration caused by pressure differential is pressure gradient force, not because the rocket pushes it out. Just like gravity, it doesn’t need to push off anything.
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IOW just another typical conspiritard, the modern day iteration of a village idiot.
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It doesn't involve millions of people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Tard 42079668

Only someone utterly ignorant of space travel could possibly think that.

You know the drill: what can be asserted without evidence can, and will be, rejected without evidence.

You are rejected.
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