NASA Thrust Equation gets destroyed.

How small does a chunk have to be to no longer have mass? Liquid or gas is kind of like a bunch of chunks.

Im going to destroy the wife tonight with my own thrust equation.

Solids are not fluids. There are three different states of matter you know

Solids are not fluids. There are three different states of matter you know

Vacuum doesn’t apply a force you idiot. It simply creates a low pressure area and thus a pressure gradient. How the hell is a metal pipe gonna collapse?

Ok. The pipe TENDS to collapse due to external atmospheric pressure. Happy? The vacuum FORCE is created by the MOTOR of the vacuum that you attached to the pipe. It actually exerts force on the gases within the pipe, but I simplified the explanation for the simple minded. Apparently you still didn't get it. The force on the gases within the pipe is transferred to gases OUTSIDE the pipe.

In a rocket, all the forces are INTERNAL. A force, created by burning the fuel pushes the gas away. The gas pushes back because it has mass.

Not that you, lacking a capacity for abstract concepts,
will be able to understand any of this.

Not sure who's trying to prove what here, but conservation of momentum applies to solids, liquids, gases, plasmas ... every state of matter. Total momentum is conserved unless an external net force is applied. That's why rockets work.

Ok. The pipe TENDS to collapse due to external atmospheric pressure. Happy? The vacuum FORCE is created by the MOTOR of the vacuum that you attached to the pipe. It actually exerts force on the gases within the pipe, but I simplified the explanation for the simple minded. Apparently you still didn't get it. The force on the gases within the pipe is transferred to gases OUTSIDE the pipe.

In a rocket, all the forces are INTERNAL. A force, created by burning the fuel pushes the gas away. The gas pushes back because it has mass.

Not that you, lacking a capacity for abstract concepts,
will be able to understand any of this.

Gravity does explain this.
Air has weight, IOW it falls down.


How do those happen without gravity?
Without gravity air has no weight, without weight density would be zero, without density there is no buoyancy.


Gravity is an observed phenomenon.


Irrelevant, it is an observed phenomenon.
Not understanding how something works doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Chemical rocket thrust does not work in the vacuum of space.
Near the Earth, rocket thrust pushes against the atmosphere around the rocket.
In space, rocket thrust pushes against NOTHING.

If Chemical rockets can push against nothing, you should
be able to fly if you pull hard enough on your shoe laces.

No computer or maybe ALL the computers in the world
working together can not resolve a 3 body space problem.

All bodies in the conventionally accepted space model are claimed to be
moving through the universe between 800,000 mph to 2.2 million mph.
No body knows the exact speeds so nobody can calculate the movement
of a third body to go from on moving mass to another moving mass.

I do not KNOW the nature of those lights in the sky.
People through mass indoctrination ASSUME that the lights are
satellites created and launched by man.

Fluids move due to pressure gradient force. The pressure broke apart the soda can and physically pushed it. If there is nothing to push she. The gas moves to low pressure, there is no opposite force

I'd bereal careful how you throw that "simple minded" term around: the vacuum motor doesn'"transfer the force to the gases outside:"

The atmosperic pressure at sea level is 14.7lb/sq in. the vacuum motor( fan) creates a lower pressure by moving the air (bernoulis law)(velocity creates lower pressure)and the atmosphere (14.7 lb/sqin.)rushes into fill the "vacuum".

Yes rapidly expanding gases push on the inside of the rocket thrust chamber evenly except over the hole in the thrust chamber( the nozzle). The saturn5 f-1 engines consumed fuel (MASS )at 15 TONS/SECOND EACH.

These threads rank right up there with "flat erf"

Your problem is that you're thinking of force.

F = ma is what Newton said. So one could conclude that with no external force, there's no acceleration. But he was wrong in the case of masses that change. That conclusion would be wrong.

Actually it's

F = dp/dt = ma + v dm/dt

so with no external force, momentum is conserved. And that's why rockets work. Because of the nonzero v dm/dt term.

Take an unloaded CO2 powered airgun with a full gas cylinder in place and tape it to skateboard. Rig the trigger with servo to be activated by remote control. Fire the gun. What happens to the skateboard? Now do the same experiment with the gun loaded. Notice the difference? By increasing the expelled mass the reaction is greatly enhanced. WHY?

So Newton was wrong? Do you have any evidence of this?

Yeah, here are two proofs.

(1) Look at any modern physics textbook that deals with rocketry. Or just look up "conservation of momentum" and see that it's considered a fundamental principle of physics.

(2) Rockets work.

That would be explained by density and buoyancy inside a fishbowl. Gravity is still just a theory. Not even your god Neil Degrasse Tyson can explain what it is.

Dude that’s not proof

as usual NASA is just cutting and pasting.

the Original Thrust Equation was derived by the Russian Physicist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, in 1903.

something like this:

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Fluids move due to pressure gradient force. The pressure broke apart the soda can and physically pushed it. If there is nothing to push she. The gas moves to low pressure, there is no opposite force

Yeah. Start from what I wrote already

F = dp/dt = ma + v dm/dt

and set F=0 (no net external forces)

a = -(v/m) dm/dt

= -v d (ln m) / dt

where v is the nozzle ejection speed and a is the acceleration of the rocket body. Then just integrate that to get the formulas you gave.

Oh gawd. Can't believe this one dimensional thinking.

Dude, here's a foolproof test you can do to prove you're wrong.

You can do it with a hose and water under pressure. Turn the hose on and feel the thrust back caused by the water being expelled under pressure.

Got that?

Now, place your hand a couple of inches in front of the flow. You will feel no change in the thrust.

You can do it with an air compressor too if you want to test it for gas.

Don't blow your hand off.

Astro will not be pleased.

Dude that’s not proof

Chemical rocket thrust does not work in the vacuum of space.
Near the Earth, rocket thrust pushes against the atmosphere around the rocket.
In space, rocket thrust pushes against NOTHING.

If Chemical rockets can push against nothing, you should
be able to fly if you pull hard enough on your shoe laces.

No computer or maybe ALL the computers in the world
working together can not resolve a 3 body space problem.

All bodies in the conventionally accepted space model are claimed to be
moving through the universe between 800,000 mph to 2.2 million mph.
No body knows the exact speeds so nobody can calculate the movement
of a third body to go from on moving mass to another moving mass.

I do not KNOW the nature of those lights in the sky.
People through mass indoctrination ASSUME that the lights are
satellites created and launched by man.

This is simply wrong. You can easily test it on earth. Vacuum chambers are easy to create and chemical rockets absolutely DO work in the vacuum.