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TRAITOR RAND PAUL TO VOTE AGAINST TRUMP EMERGENCY

 
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You know NOTHING about the Constitution. I want that wall as bad as anyone else but we have to be careful and not let any of the 3 branches have more power than any other.
 Quoting: Random NiNe


yeah like obama, overthrowing, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?

without congressional approval
 Quoting: Jake


You DON’T subvert the Constitution because others have. You don’t. Rand is a STRICT Constitutionalist and knows it better than 99.9999% of the population. Emotion must be removed and intellect guided by our Founding Fathers has to be the map we follow.
 Quoting: Random NiNe


The Founding Fathers wanted whatever it took to protect our own borders, and they didn't want foreign entanglements.
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Jefferson sent troops 1/3 the way around the planet to fight islamic pirates in 1801, didn't he?
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But they all have distinct powers as well. The President doesn't have to confer with Congress or the Judicial system about commander in chief-military-national security measures.
 Quoting: Far Away


Nor does he on National Emergencies, the act is very clear

that he does not need congress.
 Quoting: Jake


Well, I just think of an national emergency as something like shutting down the border, but obviously it has been used for really off the wall stuff by other Presidents. President Trump should ignore them all on this issue- it is his domain anyway. I just think it was his issue to deal with as he saw fit without congress and without a national emergency. Seems simple and absolute to me.
 Quoting: Far Away


Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake



Well, just let them bluster and ignore them. I don't mean ignore in all situations- like a dictator- but this is not their business. It is military and national security. I think it should have been treated that way from the beginning and they should not have been asked for specific money for it.
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if republicans fuck this up, its over for them in 2020
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You know how I know you're gay?
You have a cat as an avatar.
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its a picture of my wife's cat
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Even gayer!
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I have been reading this thread with a sadness. Schools definitely need to teach civics, and many of you are so pro-government you'd stick people in FEMA camps. A distrust of ALL government, including Trump, is necessary.
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some people are cool with tyrants, as long its their own favorite tyrant.
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yeah like obama, overthrowing, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?

without congressional approval
 Quoting: Jake


You DON’T subvert the Constitution because others have. You don’t. Rand is a STRICT Constitutionalist and knows it better than 99.9999% of the population. Emotion must be removed and intellect guided by our Founding Fathers has to be the map we follow.
 Quoting: Random NiNe


The Founding Fathers wanted whatever it took to protect our own borders, and they didn't want foreign entanglements.
 Quoting: Far Away


Jefferson sent troops 1/3 the way around the planet to fight islamic pirates in 1801, didn't he?
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Actually no he went to get our captured ships and people back.
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yeah like obama, overthrowing, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?

without congressional approval
 Quoting: Jake


You DON’T subvert the Constitution because others have. You don’t. Rand is a STRICT Constitutionalist and knows it better than 99.9999% of the population. Emotion must be removed and intellect guided by our Founding Fathers has to be the map we follow.
 Quoting: Random NiNe


The Founding Fathers wanted whatever it took to protect our own borders, and they didn't want foreign entanglements.
 Quoting: Far Away


Jefferson sent troops 1/3 the way around the planet to fight islamic pirates in 1801, didn't he?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76460002


Well, they had been kidnapping the crews of American military and merchant vessels for ransom, so it did involve our people.
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Nor does he on National Emergencies, the act is very clear

that he does not need congress.
 Quoting: Jake


Well, I just think of an national emergency as something like shutting down the border, but obviously it has been used for really off the wall stuff by other Presidents. President Trump should ignore them all on this issue- it is his domain anyway. I just think it was his issue to deal with as he saw fit without congress and without a national emergency. Seems simple and absolute to me.
 Quoting: Far Away


Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake



Well, just let them bluster and ignore them. I don't mean ignore in all situations- like a dictator- but this is not their business. It is military and national security. I think it should have been treated that way from the beginning and they should not have been asked for specific money for it.
 Quoting: Far Away


I think the leadership of the Republican party are

all democrats that have infiltrated the party.
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Foreign is agent is more like it and should be deported but allowed to bring his family if he wishes.
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Well, I just think of an national emergency as something like shutting down the border, but obviously it has been used for really off the wall stuff by other Presidents. President Trump should ignore them all on this issue- it is his domain anyway. I just think it was his issue to deal with as he saw fit without congress and without a national emergency. Seems simple and absolute to me.
 Quoting: Far Away


Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake



Well, just let them bluster and ignore them. I don't mean ignore in all situations- like a dictator- but this is not their business. It is military and national security. I think it should have been treated that way from the beginning and they should not have been asked for specific money for it.
 Quoting: Far Away


I think the leadership of the Republican party are

all democrats that have infiltrated the party.
 Quoting: Jake


They have infiltrated EVERYTHING.
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Doesnt mean shit as long as trumps in office its all about the veto power
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But they all have distinct powers as well. The President doesn't have to confer with Congress or the Judicial system about commander in chief-military-national security measures.
 Quoting: Far Away


Nor does he on National Emergencies, the act is very clear

that he does not need congress.
 Quoting: Jake


Well, I just think of an national emergency as something like shutting down the border, but obviously it has been used for really off the wall stuff by other Presidents. President Trump should ignore them all on this issue- it is his domain anyway. I just think it was his issue to deal with as he saw fit without congress and without a national emergency. Seems simple and absolute to me.
 Quoting: Far Away


Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake


But to FUND activities related to the emergency, he needs congress to be broadly behind him or congress can challenge him, which is what is happening now.
Isn't the constitution and the separation of powers great?
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Mitch McConnell keeps setting Trump up over and over again

and Trump keeps falling for it.
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Nor does he on National Emergencies, the act is very clear

that he does not need congress.
 Quoting: Jake


Well, I just think of an national emergency as something like shutting down the border, but obviously it has been used for really off the wall stuff by other Presidents. President Trump should ignore them all on this issue- it is his domain anyway. I just think it was his issue to deal with as he saw fit without congress and without a national emergency. Seems simple and absolute to me.
 Quoting: Far Away


Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake


But to FUND activities related to the emergency, he needs congress to be broadly behind him or congress can challenge him, which is what is happening now.
Isn't the constitution and the separation of powers great?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76460002


Yes and I agree, but there are discretionary funds

the POTUS can use where he doesn't need congressional Approval.

And it's 100% legal and doesn't circumvent the constitution.

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just goes to prove that he hasn't got a clue either.
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The President does not have the power to sign an executive order in order to spend money on whatever he wants.

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Then where did obama get 1.7 billion in cash to give to iranian terrorists?

It sure as fuck wasn't "appropriated by congress"!

 Quoting: Mental Case


I like Rand but he's wrong on this. I don't believe Congress playing politics with national security is what the founders had in mind when they gave them the power of the purse.
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The President does not have the power to sign an executive order in order to spend money on whatever he wants.

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Then where did obama get 1.7 billion in cash to give to iranian terrorists?

It sure as fuck wasn't "appropriated by congress"!

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I like Rand but he's wrong on this. I don't believe Congress playing politics with national security is what the founders had in mind when they gave them the power of the purse.
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the founding fathers would arrest rand paul as a traitor
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Well, I just think of an national emergency as something like shutting down the border, but obviously it has been used for really off the wall stuff by other Presidents. President Trump should ignore them all on this issue- it is his domain anyway. I just think it was his issue to deal with as he saw fit without congress and without a national emergency. Seems simple and absolute to me.
 Quoting: Far Away


Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake


But to FUND activities related to the emergency, he needs congress to be broadly behind him or congress can challenge him, which is what is happening now.
Isn't the constitution and the separation of powers great?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76460002


Yes and I agree, but there are discretionary funds

the POTUS can use where he doesn't need congressional Approval.

And it's 100% legal and doesn't circumvent the constitution.
 Quoting: Jake


Whatever fag. You are persuading 0 people. You are gay(and that's ok) And may God have mercy on your soul. Fag.
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how would you have felt if Obama signed an executive order to spend money to build 10,000 new planned parenthood locations?

The fact is that the Constitution says all government spending must be appropriated by Congress.

The President does not have the power to sign an executive order in order to spend money on whatever he wants.

Allowing a President to do this just because you agree with what he wants to spend the money on is a terrible precedent and an unconstitutional expansion of executive power.

The expansion of the President's power is what caused all of our problems such as endless war, Obamacare, etc.


You want to give the president more power? wait until a fucking libtard gets in office. then you will see your own stupidity.
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Obama did it many times. Many more than Trump. But you are right.

It is the federal government's responsibility to defend the US borders. It's not unconstitutional. That is a President's job. Defend our country. Just because we have a bunch of traitors that are representing non citizens, doesn't mean Trump can't defend our fucking country.
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just goes to prove that he hasn't got a clue either.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


A clue about what?

Going against the constitution?

Conservatives crap on the constitution just as much as libs.

You guys ain't no better!

hesright
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how would you have felt if Obama signed an executive order to spend money to build 10,000 new planned parenthood locations?

The fact is that the Constitution says all government spending must be appropriated by Congress.

The President does not have the power to sign an executive order in order to spend money on whatever he wants.

Allowing a President to do this just because you agree with what he wants to spend the money on is a terrible precedent and an unconstitutional expansion of executive power.

The expansion of the President's power is what caused all of our problems such as endless war, Obamacare, etc.


You want to give the president more power? wait until a fucking libtard gets in office. then you will see your own stupidity.
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s0p-lafr22
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If there was ever a more appropriate time to us this old meme this was it. Good job I LMAO as that is exactly what I thought when I read that cucktard reply that ignored the emergency - invasion aspect.

btw - F Rand Paul.
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Trump does not need Congress to declare a national emergency.

Its written right in the law itself.
 Quoting: Jake


But to FUND activities related to the emergency, he needs congress to be broadly behind him or congress can challenge him, which is what is happening now.
Isn't the constitution and the separation of powers great?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76460002


Yes and I agree, but there are discretionary funds

the POTUS can use where he doesn't need congressional Approval.

And it's 100% legal and doesn't circumvent the constitution.
 Quoting: Jake


Whatever fag. You are persuading 0 people. You are gay(and that's ok) And may God have mercy on your soul. Fag.
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Piss off troll. Maybe if you'd get your mother's dick out of your mouth, people would take you more seriously.
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just goes to prove that he hasn't got a clue either.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


A clue about what?

Going against the constitution?

Conservatives crap on the constitution just as much as libs.

You guys ain't no better!

hesright
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you dont even know what is in the constitution

The POTUS does not need congressional Approval to

declare a national emergency.. It is specifically

written that way in the National Emergency Act.
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We promise you if Rand Paul does this; he will not be reelected. Kentucky is fed up with him anyway. We aren't foolish.
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The expansion of the President's power is what caused all of our problems such as endless war, Obamacare, etc.


You want to give the president more power? wait until a fucking libtard gets in office. then you will see your own stupidity.
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Trump mentioned this at the CPAC conference. He said he has heard forewarnings from Republicans that if he declares a NE for the border, liberal/Democrat presidents in the future will evoke the NE for their own issues. He said they'll do it anyway. He's correct.

Miss-Manners etiquette and Marquis of Queensbury Rules no longer exist in a post-Obama "Goddamn America" nation.

If conservatives play goody-two-shoes about nuances of the US Constitution in 2019, they'll be easier mincemeat for the left in the future.

100 PERCENT CORRECT GROW A PAIR AND REALIZE THEY ARE GONNA DO THIS KINDA SHIT ANYWAYS

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just goes to prove that he hasn't got a clue either.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


A clue about what?

Going against the constitution?

Conservatives crap on the constitution just as much as libs.

You guys ain't no better!

hesright
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76770412


There are millions of fucking non citizens in our fucking country. We have been invaded and they have representation in our government. We are in a crisis state and you are a fucking pussy. We need to secure the fucking border.

Just because a bunch of traitorous assholes like illegals more than citizens, doesn't mean we can't protect this country. If you do not do anything about these assholes, America is fucked. Along with the Constitution.
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The expansion of the President's power is what caused all of our problems such as endless war, Obamacare, etc.


You want to give the president more power? wait until a fucking libtard gets in office. then you will see your own stupidity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77030671


Trump mentioned this at the CPAC conference. He said he has heard forewarnings from Republicans that if he declares a NE for the border, liberal/Democrat presidents in the future will evoke the NE for their own issues. He said they'll do it anyway. He's correct.

Miss-Manners etiquette and Marquis of Queensbury Rules no longer exist in a post-Obama "Goddamn America" nation.

If conservatives play goody-two-shoes about nuances of the US Constitution in 2019, they'll be easier mincemeat for the left in the future.

100 PERCENT CORRECT GROW A PAIR AND REALIZE THEY ARE GONNA DO THIS KINDA SHIT ANYWAYS

.
 Quoting: CSnow

 Quoting: The Deplorable AnthraX


That is right, dems are gonna do it anyways
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Trump CAN still deploy as many US military personnel to the border as he likes.
He could stand them shoulder to shoulder 24/7 for the rest of his presidency.
He could call it training.
NOTHING congress could do about that except complain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76460002


repeat.

IF THERE IS A REAL emergency, why hasn't he deployed enough military to the border to do the job until the wall is built?

He could order all Ft. Sill and Ft Hood and Ft Polk soldiers to the border.
They could call it training.
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The President does not have the power to sign an executive order in order to spend money on whatever he wants.

---------

Then where did obama get 1.7 billion in cash to give to iranian terrorists?

It sure as fuck wasn't "appropriated by congress"!

 Quoting: Mental Case


I like Rand but he's wrong on this. I don't believe Congress playing politics with national security is what the founders had in mind when they gave them the power of the purse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53054793


the founding fathers would arrest rand paul as a traitor
 Quoting: Jake


You know nothing about our country’s founding our Founding Fathers and the Constitution. I would recommend you stop talking like you are so that you do not embarrass yourself any further.

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You know NOTHING about the Constitution. I want that wall as bad as anyone else but we have to be careful and not let any of the 3 branches have more power than any other.
 Quoting: Random NiNe


yeah like obama, overthrowing, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq?

without congressional approval
 Quoting: Jake


You DON’T subvert the Constitution because others have. You don’t. Rand is a STRICT Constitutionalist and knows it better than 99.9999% of the population. Emotion must be removed and intellect guided by our Founding Fathers has to be the map we follow.
 Quoting: Random NiNe


The Founding Fathers wanted whatever it took to protect our own borders, and they didn't want foreign entanglements.
 Quoting: Far Away


We're pretty dang entangled with a lot of countries. Trump might mention he wants to end some of it, but it never happens, because he's not calling the shots. And he seems more into the idea of an American Empire with a global reach than a constitutional republic. You can't have both. And you can't have a constitutional republic as long as we have a corporate government and its many criminal affiliates, e.g. the fed.

The problems that many of these illegals face in their countries has a lot to do with the meddling and influence from within our gov (drug trade, trafficking, bankers, politicians' closet deals). You don't suppose it was a purposeful effort to destabilize these countries therefore sending waves of illegals here to bring us down? A wall will not fix any of that; our problems are far bigger.
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just goes to prove that he hasn't got a clue either.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


A clue about what?

Going against the constitution?

Conservatives crap on the constitution just as much as libs.

You guys ain't no better!

hesright
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76770412


you dont even know what is in the constitution

The POTUS does not need congressional Approval to

declare a national emergency.. It is specifically

written that way in the National Emergency Act.
 Quoting: Jake


NOPE!

The president should get congressional approval before he blows any of the taxpayers money (especially on pet projects).

I thought the Mexicans waz gona pay 4 it?