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Here's why...

In Matt 16: 17-19

Jesus changes Simon's name (means little grain of sand in Aramaic) to Kepha (means massive rock in Aramaic; Peter) and says "upon Kepha I will build my Church and the gates of hell will never overpower it." - though hell is trying very hard to overpower it in today's world! Jesus then gives Peter (1st Pope) the keys to the kingdom of heaven and says, "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

The Church has binding and loosing authority. Think about that for a minute. If it is bound in heaven it has to be perfect because heaven is perfect. This is the basis for authority and infallibility of the Church.

Now... to how all christians FOLLOW the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church:

The Catholic Church compiled the New Testament of the Bible in 382AD during the Council of Rome (see link below). The Church leaders under Pope Damasus I used the binding and loosing authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church to vote on what books and letters should be in the Bible or not. They voted out the gospel of Hebrews for example but voted in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There were thousand of books and letters that the Church had to review which many authors thought were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

If you don't believe in the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church that compiled the New Testament then you will have to claim the New Testament is invalid and wrong.

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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
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and how did you learn about Jesus Christ? Only through the Bible bro

God Bless!
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Thank God the true saints of God who stood up for His Word against the catholics, all recorded in Foxe Book of Martyrs for all history to see how many millions Christians the catholics tortured and killed because they would not bow down and worship the popes.
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Shred that damn book already.
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You can quote as many scriptures as you'd like.

The fact is, scriptures were there before the demonic Catholic church.

Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. The Catholic church has been persecuting the true true since very early on.

The Catholic church did canonize the bible, but I almost every book that was used in the Original church was included, minus 2. Why you ask?

1. Because they could not be verified
2. Because they did not line up with the rest of the bible.

There were many counterfeits.

You can argue all you want, but the fact is God created everything and He most certainly can preserve His word.

Many have proven that He has done exactly that.

Look outside, see the grass, the tree's and the sky?

If God can sustain all those things, He most certainly can sustain his written word...

And nobody, not even you can change that. :)

God is almighty, and men are not.
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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
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^THIS!
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The only way to salvation is thru a relationship with the Lord himself, not with any man!

Repent of your sins, learn to hear God's voice, obey Him, and endure until the end!
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You can quote as many scriptures as you'd like.

The fact is, scriptures were there before the demonic Catholic church.

Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. The Catholic church has been persecuting the true true since very early on.

The Catholic church did canonize the bible, but I almost every book that was used in the Original church was included, minus 2. Why you ask?

1. Because they could not be verified
2. Because they did not line up with the rest of the bible.

There were many counterfeits.

You can argue all you want, but the fact is God created everything and He most certainly can preserve His word.

Many have proven that He has done exactly that.

Look outside, see the grass, the tree's and the sky?

If God can sustain all those things, He most certainly can sustain his written word...

And nobody, not even you can change that. :)

God is almighty, and men are not.
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King Henry VIII left the Catholic Church because the Church did not approve his marriage. Foxe believes this is the true church and not the Catholic Church. The Church of England was created because the Catholic Church would not approve a marriage. Think about that...
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I believe Jesus Christ.

What do you say I need the men of Rome for?
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King Henry VIII left the Catholic Church because the Church did not approve his marriage. Foxe believes this is the true church and not the Catholic Church. The Church of England was created because the Catholic Church would not approve a marriage. Think about that...
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You don't even know or understand what the word "church" means,

so of course you don't know what the church is.
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King Henry VIII left the Catholic Church because the Church did not approve his marriage. Foxe believes this is the true church and not the Catholic Church. The Church of England was created because the Catholic Church would not approve a marriage. Think about that...
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You don't even know or understand what the word "church" means,

so of course you don't know what the church is.
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I just follow what Jesus says His Church is in Matthew 16 my friend.
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I believe Jesus Christ.

What do you say I need the men of Rome for?
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I didn't say anything. Jesus did in Matt 16
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Ekklesia is church, a group of called out or chosen ones. They are called and chosen by Father God Himself, not man.
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I believe Jesus Christ.

What do you say I need the men of Rome for?
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I didn't say anything. Jesus did in Matt 16
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Jesus did not say I need the men of Rome.

Why do you play these games?

Are you a deceiver?
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Ekklesia is church, a group of called out or chosen ones. They are called and chosen by Father God Himself, not man.
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The ekklesia, the called-out ones, those called out of this world and into The Faith in Jesus Christ, are believers in Jesus Christ.
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I believe Jesus Christ.

What do you say I need the men of Rome for?
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I didn't say anything. Jesus did in Matt 16
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Jesus did not say I need the men of Rome.

Why do you play these games?

Are you a deceiver?
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St Peter of Rome is what I mean. I don't mean to offend people. I'm just stating the facts. God Bless
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I believe Jesus Christ.

What do you say I need the men of Rome for?
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I didn't say anything. Jesus did in Matt 16
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


Jesus did not say I need the men of Rome.

Why do you play these games?

Are you a deceiver?
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St Peter of Rome is what I mean. I don't mean to offend people. I'm just stating the facts. God Bless
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Peter was a J-w from Jerusalem.

Do you know what a "saint" is?
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Jesus did not die to tell us that we need to believe in men.

Do you understand this?
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...


I didn't say anything. Jesus did in Matt 16
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Jesus did not say I need the men of Rome.

Why do you play these games?

Are you a deceiver?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77441930


St Peter of Rome is what I mean. I don't mean to offend people. I'm just stating the facts. God Bless
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Peter was a J-w from Jerusalem.

Do you know what a "saint" is?

Yes. And it was the Catholic Church that declared him a saint.
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OP: What you are overlooking is that the fall of the Roman Empire was not due to widepsread immorality as many believe, but in fact the collapse only began when Chrisitanity replaced Polythesism under Constantine I; for 750 years the Romans built a civilisation unmatched even by today's standards and then in only 175 years the Christians completely destroyed it.

And, before you start to proclaim Theodosius I as some ersatz Holy man, you'd better know that he was excommunicated in 390 by Ambrose Bishop of Milan. True: he did ban all pagan worship -in public or private- and closed all their temples, but after diminishing them in a 4-year war, he also allowed the Visigoths to settle onto Roman territory which only allowed them to return to attack years later and destroy what little he had accomplished. When Theodosius I died in 395, he left what remained of the eastern Empire to his 17yr old son Arcadius and the western portion to his 10-yr old son Honorius. They were both feckless rulers who in turn passed Rome on to their own young wildly incompetent sons. They also chose not to engage those same Visigoths their Daddy had stupidly not banished and in 410 the Visgoths sacked Rome itself.

Many people are under the impression that Constantine was a noble Emperor dedicated to Christianity. The Church itself promotes this endlessly, but it is utter bullshit! In reality, he saw in the Christians an easily-led power bloc that would help him seize control of the Empire and once he attained the throne of Rome he only tossed them crumbs in return. He raised taxes to inordinant levels, prompting the Christians to rebel - they thought that since they shared the same beliefs as the Emperor they should get special treatment and demanded same! Instead, Constantine spent those taxes on bejewelled robes/slippers and built a new, massive and lavish capitol city -Constantinople- which he vainly named after himself. Should I also mention that he murdered his own wife and son?

Further -in spite of his public worship of Christianity- Constantine refused to be baptized into that faith until he was virtually on his deathbed and even then only wanted to have it done in the Jordan River as a PR stunt; he never made it and was killed enroute at the hands of a disgruntled Christian; this occurred shortly after his baptism by devoted acolyte/ass-sniffer Eusebius - who was a wealthy Priest, self-proclaimed religious historian and propagandist... he was nothing more a shameless brown-noser whose sole purpose was to establish himself as the only authority on the Catholic Church. It was Eusebius who wrote all the texts that proclaimed Constantine a legendary Christian ruler when in fact they were both nothing more than a couple of con artists! Eusebius was likewise instrumental in assembling those Biblical scriptures at the Council of Rome, even though he too had been previously excommunicated for heretical beliefs... but to this day, the Catholic Church holds him aloft in near-Sainthood!

There were 25 Emperors after Constantine and all but one of them were "Christians" - the sole holdout was Julian who was immediately branded an Apostate when he attempted to return Rome to it's earlier religious practices. Julian was a very popular ruler because the average Roman citizen was already weary of the constantly restrictive Christian tenets and because Julian lowered those high taxes that Constantine and his immediate followers had levied. The other 24 Christian Emperors ran Rome right into the ground and that's what caused the Dark Ages where your preciously omnipotent Church banned all formal study outside of itself and in so doing marched civilisation back a couple of hundred years in the process.

One final thought: your greatest mistake is in believing that the Catholic Church is infallible when history has proven endlessly the exact opposite. This renders your final sentence above the most ludicrous of all: that a Church is authoritative and infallible just because it claims to be and that this magically somehow makes it true. And for you to further suggest if you do not accept that declaration as fact then you must then dismiss the entire New Testament only adds insult to your thoughtless philosophical injury.

You Sir, are a fool of the greatest magnitude who clearly knows very little of the documented, ancient history that your Church has ardently supressed for 1500 years.

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inquisitions and kiddy fiddlers?

no thanks
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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
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Something isn't right with your comments?
The second comment doesnt make sense after he first.
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OP: What you are overlooking is that the fall of the Roman Empire was not due to widepsread immorality as many believe, but in fact the collapse only began when Chrisitanity replaced Polythesism under Constantine I; for 750 years the Romans built a civilisation unmatched even by today's standards and then in only 175 years the Christians completely destroyed it.

And, before you start to proclaim Theodosius I as some ersatz Holy man, you'd better know that he was excommunicated in 390 by Ambrose Bishop of Milan. True: he did ban all pagan worship -in public or private- and closed all their temples, but after diminishing them in a 4-year war, he also allowed the Visigoths to settle onto Roman territory which only allowed them to return to attack years later and destroy what little he had accomplished. When Theodosius I died in 395, he left what remained of the eastern Empire to his 17yr old son Arcadius and the western portion to his 10-yr old son Honorius. They were both feckless rulers who in turn passed Rome on to their own young wildly incompetent sons. They also chose not to engage those same Visigoths their Daddy had stupidly not banished and in 410 the Visgoths sacked Rome itself.

Many people are under the impression that Constantine was a noble Emperor dedicated to Christianity. The Church itself promotes this endlessly, but it is utter bullshit! In reality, he saw in the Christians an easily-led power bloc that would help him seize control of the Empire and once he attained the throne of Rome he only tossed them crumbs in return. He raised taxes to inordinant levels, prompting the Christians to rebel - they thought that since they shared the same beliefs as the Emperor they should get special treatment and demanded same! Instead, Constantine spent those taxes on bejewelled robes/slippers and built a new, massive and lavish capitol city -Constantinople- which he vainly named after himself. Should I also mention that he murdered his own wife and son?

Further -in spite of his public worship of Christianity- Constantine refused to be baptized into that faith until he was virtually on his deathbed and even then only wanted to have it done in the Jordan River as a PR stunt; he never made it and was killed enroute at the hands of a disgruntled Christian; this occurred shortly after his baptism by devoted acolyte/ass-sniffer Eusebius - who was a wealthy Priest, self-proclaimed religious historian and propagandist... he was nothing more a shameless brown-noser whose sole purpose was to establish himself as the only authority on the Catholic Church. It was Eusebius who wrote all the texts that proclaimed Constantine a legendary Christian ruler when in fact they were both nothing more than a couple of con artists! Eusebius was likewise instrumental in assembling those Biblical scriptures at the Council of Rome, even though he too had been previously excommunicated for heretical beliefs... but to this day, the Catholic Church holds him aloft in near-Sainthood!

There were 25 Emperors after Constantine and all but one of them were "Christians" - the sole holdout was Julian who was immediately branded an Apostate when he attempted to return Rome to it's earlier religious practices. Julian was a very popular ruler because the average Roman citizen was already weary of the constantly restrictive Christian tenets and because Julian lowered those high taxes that Constantine and his immediate followers had levied. The other 24 Christian Emperors ran Rome right into the ground and that's what caused the Dark Ages where your preciously omnipotent Church banned all formal study outside of itself and in so doing marched civilisation back a couple of hundred years in the process.

One final thought: your greatest mistake is in believing that the Catholic Church is infallible when history has proven endlessly the exact opposite. This renders your final sentence above the most ludicrous of all: that a Church is authoritative and infallible just because it claims to be and that this magically somehow makes it true. And for you to further suggest if you do not accept that declaration as fact then you must then dismiss the entire New Testament only adds insult to your thoughtless philosophical injury.

You Sir, are a fool of the greatest magnitude who clearly knows very little of the documented, ancient history that your Church has ardently supressed for 1500 years.
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The Church only uses its authority of infallibility on things like the Eucharist, confession, etc.. that has to do with salvation. Not all doctrine is infallible. They don't abuse the power of binding and loosing authority that "Jesus" gave the Church. Yes, there is evil in the Church and there always will be evil in the Church. Jesus invites sinners to the Church; He's a physician for sinners not the righteous. The Apostles were sinners, St Paul was a murderer of people, Judas gave Jesus over for 30 pieces of silver, etc... Did Jesus tell other apostles to stop preaching? Did He tell St. Paul to stop writing? Unfortunately the Church has done some really evil things! But, if you were satan and you know Jesus started the Catholic Church to "help" souls get into heaven, who are you going to attack? The Catholic Church.

Good quick video: [link to www.catholic.com (secure)]

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True. But not the Catholic Church you're probably thinking of. The Roman Catholic Church left the Catholic Church in 1059. The original Catholic Church (the one who compiled and canonized the scriptures)is now called the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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True. But not the Catholic Church you're probably thinking of. The Roman Catholic Church left the Catholic Church in 1059. The original Catholic Church (the one who compiled and canonized the scriptures)is now called the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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^ No Jesus. Men's Clubs.
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You can quote as many scriptures as you'd like.

The fact is, scriptures were there before the demonic Catholic church.

Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. The Catholic church has been persecuting the true true since very early on.

The Catholic church did canonize the bible, but I almost every book that was used in the Original church was included, minus 2. Why you ask?

1. Because they could not be verified
2. Because they did not line up with the rest of the bible.

There were many counterfeits.

You can argue all you want, but the fact is God created everything and He most certainly can preserve His word.

Many have proven that He has done exactly that.

Look outside, see the grass, the tree's and the sky?

If God can sustain all those things, He most certainly can sustain his written word...

And nobody, not even you can change that. :)

God is almighty, and men are not.
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King Henry VIII left the Catholic Church because the Church did not approve his marriage. Foxe believes this is the true church and not the Catholic Church. The Church of England was created because the Catholic Church would not approve a marriage. Think about that...
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Whaaat? Henry XIII was already validly married in the Catholic Church...to Catherine of Aragon. He wanted an annulment so that he could marry Ann Boleyn, and the pope would not grant him one because there were no grounds. The king then started his own church to accommodate his disobedient act of bigamy (later polygamy). Now, there are 45,000 or so denominations, with 1-2 new ones established each week ...every time someone has a different spin on the Christian faith.