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The whole citation from Matthew 16:13-20 tells a Different Witness....


Jesus overhears HIS Apostles discussing the folk of a town they were just in who were speculating that Jesus was Elijah Returned. Etc...

Jesus Asks Them: "WHO Do You Say I AM?"
ONLY Simon Barjona (Peter) KNOWS....
"Thou are The Christ! Son Of The Living God!"

Jesus then remarks that ONLY HIS Father Could Have PUT That KNOWLEDGE Upon Peter's Heart...

HE then Says: "Upon This Rock, I Build MY Church"; meaning that KNOWING WHO HE IS is the "Foundation" for inclusion In HIS Church.

There is no catholic bullshit meaning within these verses.
Peter wasn't appointed 'pope' by Jesus.
the rcc wasn't founded By Christ.


Of course, the rcc perverts The Gospel and seeks to thwart God's Plan. Why else would they lie and deny Christ's Purpose?

Jesus Witnesses about God's Whole Plan in Matt 22:1-14.
"The Kingdom Of Heaven is like unto a King Who Made A Wedding Feast For HIS Son." There is no further mention of HIS Son in the parable... EVERYTHING About Jesus Served HIS Father and was/IS To Enable Those Father Has Called to COME UNTO HIM and Be Born-Again!

rcc denies God. Plainly and Purposefully. the rcc is all about their church, the money and power that accrue to it.


Matt 22:1-14

1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.


YOU Were Called BY The Father IF you KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS.

Up to you to CHOOSE-Elect to Give HIM your life and thereby Be Born-Again.
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The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life, from Ezekiel ch 36:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


St. John's Witness of The Born-Again Life, from 1st John 2:18-27

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.


21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Pretty plain that John Says here that "Ye need NOT that any man teach you"...

"...and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."


Sadly, the rcc denies God's Witness; denies that Christ's Purpose for HIS Sacrifice on calvary was To Enable Those Father Has Called To Come Into HIS Presence.

catholics are indoctrinated to trust "motherchurch" but not God...

All the reprobate clergy who understand and participate in the perversion of The Word and God's Plan deserve their fate.
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The whole citation from Matthew 16:13-20 tells a Different Witness....


Jesus overhears HIS Apostles discussing the folk of a town they were just in who were speculating that Jesus was Elijah Returned. Etc...

Jesus Asks Them: "WHO Do You Say I AM?"
ONLY Simon Barjona (Peter) KNOWS....
"Thou are The Christ! Son Of The Living God!"

Jesus then remarks that ONLY HIS Father Could Have PUT That KNOWLEDGE Upon Peter's Heart...

HE then Says: "Upon This Rock, I Build MY Church"; meaning that KNOWING WHO HE IS is the "Foundation" for inclusion In HIS Church.

There is no catholic bullshit meaning within these verses.
Peter wasn't appointed 'pope' by Jesus.
the rcc wasn't founded By Christ.


Of course, the rcc perverts The Gospel and seeks to thwart God's Plan. Why else would they lie and deny Christ's Purpose?

Jesus Witnesses about God's Whole Plan in Matt 22:1-14.
"The Kingdom Of Heaven is like unto a King Who Made A Wedding Feast For HIS Son." There is no further mention of HIS Son in the parable... EVERYTHING About Jesus Served HIS Father and was/IS To Enable Those Father Has Called to COME UNTO HIM and Be Born-Again!

rcc denies God. Plainly and Purposefully. the rcc is all about their church, the money and power that accrue to it.


Matt 22:1-14

1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.


YOU Were Called BY The Father IF you KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS.

Up to you to CHOOSE-Elect to Give HIM your life and thereby Be Born-Again.
 Quoting: Lester 77318898


this is a perfect example of why Jesus created one Church with one faith and not a hundred thousand different christian churches that teach differently. when the Catholic Church has daily mass, it's the same scripture and interpretation in all churches across the world. Protestant and non denominational churches all have different beliefs and interpretation of scripture but yet the all claim the Holy Spirit is guiding them. Some christian churches believe abortion is okay some don't. Some believe homosexual acts are not a sin, some don't. Some believe in once saved always saved, some don't, some believe in faith alone, some don't. The problem is is that the Holy Spirit doesn't lie! this why Jesus gave the Catholic Church the infallible authority though the apostles to interpret scripture correctly.
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I too only follow the Lord Jesus Christ. Not some mere satanic man or system!
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Thank you OP. From a fellow Catholic, God bless.
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Jesus has no mercy for pedophiles.

How many catholic children have been raped by their priests today?
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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
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and how did you learn about Jesus Christ? Only through the Bible bro

God Bless!
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The Bible always existed outside the catholic church just research the peshita Bible, the italic Bible, the latin Bible (not the vulgate) etc. primitive churches existed all over the world such as the Bogomils, Abysinnians, Waldenses, Albigenses, Paulicians, Petrobrucians.

B.G. Wilkinson prooves it in his book "Truth Triumphant" quoting largely from catholic inquisition reports and secular history.

That's just another lie perpetuated by the catholic church, and the very reason she sought to destroy all of those primitive churches of the east. It's no secret that she also put to death all the men of God who sought to put the scriptures in the common languages for everyone to be able to read. Hmm I wonder if that could have anything to do with the fact that nearly every single point of doctrine of the roman catholic church is in contradiction to this scriptures, and morever they prophesied thousands of years before her existence that she would come into power and be the system of antichrist and great enemy of God and His people, through over 14 detailed prophecies.

As for peter being the 1st pope or "apostolic succession" just refer to the article below:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

Finally the idea that the Bible comes from the RCC is disproven by the fact that they are two different bibles altoghether. One based on the original manuscripts (textus receptus) the other based on Jerome's latin vulgate. one contains the mystical pagan appocrypha that come from jewish fables. The other does not. There's a reason the Catholic church has condemned the Reformation Bibles (including the KJV) in the council of trent.

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The real trick is to learn to think critically- ask more, and better questions- question every little detail. Who, what, when, where, why, and how? And how do these things relate to the facts I've already established, and observations made?
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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77027081


and how did you learn about Jesus Christ? Only through the Bible bro

God Bless!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


The Bible always existed outside the catholic church just research the peshita Bible, the italic Bible, the latin Bible (not the vulgate) etc. primitive churches existed all over the world such as the Bogomils, Abysinnians, Waldenses, Albigenses, Paulicians, Petrobrucians.

B.G. Wilkinson prooves it in his book "Truth Triumphant" quoting largely from catholic inquisition reports and secular history.

That's just another lie perpetuated by the catholic church, and the very reason she sought to destroy all of those primitive churches of the east. It's no secret that she also put to death all the men of God who sought to put the scriptures in the common languages for everyone to be able to read. Hmm I wonder if that could have anything to do with the fact that nearly every single point of doctrine of the roman catholic church is in contradiction to this scriptures, and morever they prophesied thousands of years before her existence that she would come into power and be the system of antichrist and great enemy of God and His people, through over 14 detailed prophecies.

As for peter being the 1st pope or "apostolic succession" just refer to the article below:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

Finally the idea that the Bible comes from the RCC is disproven by the fact that they are two different bibles altoghether. One based on the original manuscripts (textus receptus) the other based on Jerome's latin vulgate. one contains the mystical pagan appocrypha that come from jewish fables. The other does not. There's a reason the Catholic church has condemned the Reformation Bibles (including the KJV) in the council of trent.
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Really?? You’re gonna believe some anti catholic and his book instead of following history. God will judge your heart and what you know and don’t know.
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OP,

Why did Jesus Christ die?
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I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77027081


and how did you learn about Jesus Christ? Only through the Bible bro

God Bless!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


The Bible always existed outside the catholic church just research the peshita Bible, the italic Bible, the latin Bible (not the vulgate) etc. primitive churches existed all over the world such as the Bogomils, Abysinnians, Waldenses, Albigenses, Paulicians, Petrobrucians.

B.G. Wilkinson prooves it in his book "Truth Triumphant" quoting largely from catholic inquisition reports and secular history.

That's just another lie perpetuated by the catholic church, and the very reason she sought to destroy all of those primitive churches of the east. It's no secret that she also put to death all the men of God who sought to put the scriptures in the common languages for everyone to be able to read. Hmm I wonder if that could have anything to do with the fact that nearly every single point of doctrine of the roman catholic church is in contradiction to this scriptures, and morever they prophesied thousands of years before her existence that she would come into power and be the system of antichrist and great enemy of God and His people, through over 14 detailed prophecies.

As for peter being the 1st pope or "apostolic succession" just refer to the article below:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

Finally the idea that the Bible comes from the RCC is disproven by the fact that they are two different bibles altoghether. One based on the original manuscripts (textus receptus) the other based on Jerome's latin vulgate. one contains the mystical pagan appocrypha that come from jewish fables. The other does not. There's a reason the Catholic church has condemned the Reformation Bibles (including the KJV) in the council of trent.
 Quoting: Make Free Speech Great Again


Really?? You’re gonna believe some anti catholic and his book instead of following history. God will judge your heart and what you know and don’t know.
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As I stated, he quotes records of the catholic church, so please understand it's not anti-catholic, it's just the truth. Why don't you check it out for yourself and see instead of believing what I, the church, or anyone else for that matter tell you? The biggest proof will lie in the study of the holy scriptures themselves:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

(following their study, one must ask themselves, if it were true the catholic church is the source of the Scriptures, than how come the Scriptures as a whole condemn her existence and practices? Would she really choose scriptures that condemned her were she the source of them?)
The real trick is to learn to think critically- ask more, and better questions- question every little detail. Who, what, when, where, why, and how? And how do these things relate to the facts I've already established, and observations made?
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The whole citation from Matthew 16:13-20 tells a Different Witness....


Jesus overhears HIS Apostles discussing the folk of a town they were just in who were speculating that Jesus was Elijah Returned. Etc...

Jesus Asks Them: "WHO Do You Say I AM?"
ONLY Simon Barjona (Peter) KNOWS....
"Thou are The Christ! Son Of The Living God!"

Jesus then remarks that ONLY HIS Father Could Have PUT That KNOWLEDGE Upon Peter's Heart...

HE then Says: "Upon This Rock, I Build MY Church"; meaning that KNOWING WHO HE IS is the "Foundation" for inclusion In HIS Church.

There is no catholic bullshit meaning within these verses.
Peter wasn't appointed 'pope' by Jesus.
the rcc wasn't founded By Christ.


Of course, the rcc perverts The Gospel and seeks to thwart God's Plan. Why else would they lie and deny Christ's Purpose?

Jesus Witnesses about God's Whole Plan in Matt 22:1-14.
"The Kingdom Of Heaven is like unto a King Who Made A Wedding Feast For HIS Son." There is no further mention of HIS Son in the parable... EVERYTHING About Jesus Served HIS Father and was/IS To Enable Those Father Has Called to COME UNTO HIM and Be Born-Again!

rcc denies God. Plainly and Purposefully. the rcc is all about their church, the money and power that accrue to it.


Matt 22:1-14

1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.


YOU Were Called BY The Father IF you KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS.

Up to you to CHOOSE-Elect to Give HIM your life and thereby Be Born-Again.
 Quoting: Lester 77318898


Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven saying “You are rock, and upon this rock I build my Church. I give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.” Peter was indeed appointed head of the Church by Jesus himself. Peter literally means rock. The study of rocks is called Petrology. Why would Jesus in the same sentence say “You are rock, and upon a different rock I build my Church”? Protestants attempt to explain away the obvious meaning of this line in an attempt to deny the authority of the Pope by saying “Actually in the original Greek Jesus calls Peter “Petros” but then says he will build his Church upon this “Petra.” Yes, that’s true, but anyone who knows Greek knows that this is just how Greek grammar works. Anyone who understands Greek knows that there is no distinction between Peter the rock and the rock of Christ’s Church in that statement.
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Now... to how all christians FOLLOW the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church:

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grizzy The Roman Catholic "church" is a stinking pile of dung straight from the pits of hell.

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and how did you learn about Jesus Christ? Only through the Bible bro

God Bless!
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The Bible always existed outside the catholic church just research the peshita Bible, the italic Bible, the latin Bible (not the vulgate) etc. primitive churches existed all over the world such as the Bogomils, Abysinnians, Waldenses, Albigenses, Paulicians, Petrobrucians.

B.G. Wilkinson prooves it in his book "Truth Triumphant" quoting largely from catholic inquisition reports and secular history.

That's just another lie perpetuated by the catholic church, and the very reason she sought to destroy all of those primitive churches of the east. It's no secret that she also put to death all the men of God who sought to put the scriptures in the common languages for everyone to be able to read. Hmm I wonder if that could have anything to do with the fact that nearly every single point of doctrine of the roman catholic church is in contradiction to this scriptures, and morever they prophesied thousands of years before her existence that she would come into power and be the system of antichrist and great enemy of God and His people, through over 14 detailed prophecies.

As for peter being the 1st pope or "apostolic succession" just refer to the article below:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

Finally the idea that the Bible comes from the RCC is disproven by the fact that they are two different bibles altoghether. One based on the original manuscripts (textus receptus) the other based on Jerome's latin vulgate. one contains the mystical pagan appocrypha that come from jewish fables. The other does not. There's a reason the Catholic church has condemned the Reformation Bibles (including the KJV) in the council of trent.
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Really?? You’re gonna believe some anti catholic and his book instead of following history. God will judge your heart and what you know and don’t know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


As I stated, he quotes records of the catholic church, so please understand it's not anti-catholic, it's just the truth. Why don't you check it out for yourself and see instead of believing what I, the church, or anyone else for that matter tell you? The biggest proof will lie in the study of the holy scriptures themselves:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

(following their study, one must ask themselves, if it were true the catholic church is the source of the Scriptures, than how come the Scriptures as a whole condemn her existence and practices? Would she really choose scriptures that condemned her were she the source of them?)
 Quoting: Make Free Speech Great Again


The Catholic Church absolutely chose the books of the Bible at a Church council in the 4th century. Sorry, that’s just a fact of history. Non-Catholic Christians acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church when they acknowledge the authority of scripture. Some Christian denominations are missing the 7 books removed from the Bible by Martin Luther in 16th century Germany, but the rest of the New Testament/Gospels were chosen by the Catholic Church, period.

Also, what scriptures condemn the Catholic Church? Looking forward to your answer.
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Why did Jesus Christ die?
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NOPE,

I FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST...


Fuck that faggot church...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77027081


and how did you learn about Jesus Christ? Only through the Bible bro

God Bless!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


The Bible always existed outside the catholic church just research the peshita Bible, the italic Bible, the latin Bible (not the vulgate) etc. primitive churches existed all over the world such as the Bogomils, Abysinnians, Waldenses, Albigenses, Paulicians, Petrobrucians.

B.G. Wilkinson prooves it in his book "Truth Triumphant" quoting largely from catholic inquisition reports and secular history.

That's just another lie perpetuated by the catholic church, and the very reason she sought to destroy all of those primitive churches of the east. It's no secret that she also put to death all the men of God who sought to put the scriptures in the common languages for everyone to be able to read. Hmm I wonder if that could have anything to do with the fact that nearly every single point of doctrine of the roman catholic church is in contradiction to this scriptures, and morever they prophesied thousands of years before her existence that she would come into power and be the system of antichrist and great enemy of God and His people, through over 14 detailed prophecies.

As for peter being the 1st pope or "apostolic succession" just refer to the article below:

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)]

Finally the idea that the Bible comes from the RCC is disproven by the fact that they are two different bibles altoghether. One based on the original manuscripts (textus receptus) the other based on Jerome's latin vulgate. one contains the mystical pagan appocrypha that come from jewish fables. The other does not. There's a reason the Catholic church has condemned the Reformation Bibles (including the KJV) in the council of trent.
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Really?? You’re gonna believe some anti catholic and his book instead of following history. God will judge your heart and what you know and don’t know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


Always funny when people post a link to an article written by some ignorant anti-Catholic who is wrong about what Catholics believe in every other sentence and ignores millennia of accepted history and theological study. Really makes me want to take the poster seriously.
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Why did Jesus Christ die?
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Why did Jesus Christ die?
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Cause his heart stopped beating?
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The RCC didn't even exist in 382AD so OP must be talking about the Orthodox Church?
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Here's why...

In Matt 16: 17-19

Jesus changes Simon's name (means little grain of sand in Aramaic) to Kepha (means massive rock in Aramaic; Peter) and says "upon Kepha I will build my Church and the gates of hell will never overpower it." - though hell is trying very hard to overpower it in today's world! Jesus then gives Peter (1st Pope) the keys to the kingdom of heaven and says, "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

The Church has binding and loosing authority. Think about that for a minute. If it is bound in heaven it has to be perfect because heaven is perfect. This is the basis for authority and infallibility of the Church.

Now... to how all christians FOLLOW the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church:

The Catholic Church compiled the New Testament of the Bible in 382AD during the Council of Rome (see link below). The Church leaders under Pope Damasus I used the binding and loosing authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church to vote on what books and letters should be in the Bible or not. They voted out the gospel of Hebrews for example but voted in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There were thousand of books and letters that the Church had to review which many authors thought were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

If you don't believe in the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church that compiled the New Testament then you will have to claim the New Testament is invalid and wrong.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

God Bless! Jim
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


POPPYCOCK.

The manuscripts used to create the Bible existed 200+ years BEFORE Constantine legalized Christianity.

Roman leaders spent the entire 290+ years between Christ's death and Constantine's supposed vision in 312 AD persecuting and killing Christians.

They had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.

And just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven saying “You are rock, and upon this rock I build my Church. I give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.” Peter was indeed appointed head of the Church by Jesus himself. Peter literally means rock. The study of rocks is called Petrology. Why would Jesus in the same sentence say “You are rock, and upon a different rock I build my Church”? Protestants attempt to explain away the obvious meaning of this line in an attempt to deny the authority of the Pope by saying “Actually in the original Greek Jesus calls Peter “Petros” but then says he will build his Church upon this “Petra.” Yes, that’s true, but anyone who knows Greek knows that this is just how Greek grammar works. Anyone who understands Greek knows that there is no distinction between Peter the rock and the rock of Christ’s Church in that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3373


The point is that you and the RCC claiming the RCC as the one true church begins in history as self-declaration, not Christ declared.

The congregation set up by Paul in Rome became a church with a bishop, just like dozens of others around the Mediterranean.

And ALL so-called early "popes" were basically nothing more than bishops, with no true authority over Christendom.

Only through subsequent Edicts did the church in Rome start claiming authority over the next several centuries.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The Church gradually became a defining institution of the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaiming toleration for the Christian religion, and convoked the First Council of Nicaea in 325 whose Nicene Creed included belief in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica of 380.

Through such "Edicts" Rome mixed pagan statues, beliefs etc...into the "church", turning the apostolic churches into a hiararchy / tradition-laden religion, just like Judaism had become.

The Waldensians LEFT the Rome area because of such.

God and His Son Jesus finally got fed up with the RCC, and initiated the Reformation, which led to each person reading the Bible and following Jesus and the Father, not human popes who tried to prevent those things.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven saying “You are rock, and upon this rock I build my Church. I give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.” Peter was indeed appointed head of the Church by Jesus himself. Peter literally means rock. The study of rocks is called Petrology. Why would Jesus in the same sentence say “You are rock, and upon a different rock I build my Church”? Protestants attempt to explain away the obvious meaning of this line in an attempt to deny the authority of the Pope by saying “Actually in the original Greek Jesus calls Peter “Petros” but then says he will build his Church upon this “Petra.” Yes, that’s true, but anyone who knows Greek knows that this is just how Greek grammar works. Anyone who understands Greek knows that there is no distinction between Peter the rock and the rock of Christ’s Church in that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3373


The point is that you and the RCC claiming the RCC as the one true church begins in history as self-declaration, not Christ declared.

The congregation set up by Paul in Rome became a church with a bishop, just like dozens of others around the Mediterranean.

And ALL so-called early "popes" were basically nothing more than bishops, with no true authority over Christendom.

Only through subsequent Edicts did the church in Rome start claiming authority over the next several centuries.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The Church gradually became a defining institution of the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaiming toleration for the Christian religion, and convoked the First Council of Nicaea in 325 whose Nicene Creed included belief in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica of 380.

Through such "Edicts" Rome mixed pagan statues, beliefs etc...into the "church", turning the apostolic churches into a hiararchy / tradition-laden religion, just like Judaism had become.

The Waldensians LEFT the Rome area because of such.

God and His Son Jesus finally got fed up with the RCC, and initiated the Reformation, which led to each person reading the Bible and following Jesus and the Father, not human popes who tried to prevent those things.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Peter was known as the head of the Church since the earliest days of Christianity. That’s just an indisputable fact of history. Here are a dozen quotes from the first few centuries of Christianity proving this. Go ahead and find me one quote from the first few centuries AD that says otherwise. [link to www.catholic.com (secure)]

Also, the reformation was man-made and started by an ex-Catholic priest in sixteenth century Germany. Luther had valid complaints about abuse of power by the Church, but to start an entirely new religion and divide the Body of Christ was insane and against the will of God. Jesus prayed with tears that his people would be one. We now have 10,000 Christian denominations because people think they can interpret things for themselves. There is a reason Jesus established a Church. And he made Peter the first leader of it. Anti-Catholic paranoia and misunderstanding still runs deep thanks to the Reformation. For example, you call the Church pagan because we honor the saints, thinking we worship or deify them which we do not. We ask them to pray for us to God because they are alive in Heaven and are the greatest examples in human history of what Christians are called to be. You might as well call people pagan who hang pictures of their deceased loved ones on their wall.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven saying “You are rock, and upon this rock I build my Church. I give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.” Peter was indeed appointed head of the Church by Jesus himself. Peter literally means rock. The study of rocks is called Petrology. Why would Jesus in the same sentence say “You are rock, and upon a different rock I build my Church”? Protestants attempt to explain away the obvious meaning of this line in an attempt to deny the authority of the Pope by saying “Actually in the original Greek Jesus calls Peter “Petros” but then says he will build his Church upon this “Petra.” Yes, that’s true, but anyone who knows Greek knows that this is just how Greek grammar works. Anyone who understands Greek knows that there is no distinction between Peter the rock and the rock of Christ’s Church in that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3373


The point is that you and the RCC claiming the RCC as the one true church begins in history as self-declaration, not Christ declared.

The congregation set up by Paul in Rome became a church with a bishop, just like dozens of others around the Mediterranean.

And ALL so-called early "popes" were basically nothing more than bishops, with no true authority over Christendom.

Only through subsequent Edicts did the church in Rome start claiming authority over the next several centuries.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The Church gradually became a defining institution of the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaiming toleration for the Christian religion, and convoked the First Council of Nicaea in 325 whose Nicene Creed included belief in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica of 380.

Through such "Edicts" Rome mixed pagan statues, beliefs etc...into the "church", turning the apostolic churches into a hiararchy / tradition-laden religion, just like Judaism had become.

The Waldensians LEFT the Rome area because of such.

God and His Son Jesus finally got fed up with the RCC, and initiated the Reformation, which led to each person reading the Bible and following Jesus and the Father, not human popes who tried to prevent those things.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Peter was known as the head of the Church since the earliest days of Christianity. That’s just an indisputable fact of history. Here are a dozen quotes from the first few centuries of Christianity proving this. Go ahead and find me one quote from the first few centuries AD that says otherwise. [link to www.catholic.com (secure)]

Also, the reformation was man-made and started by an ex-Catholic priest in sixteenth century Germany. Luther had valid complaints about abuse of power by the Church, but to start an entirely new religion and divide the Body of Christ was insane and against the will of God. Jesus prayed with tears that his people would be one. We now have 10,000 Christian denominations because people think they can interpret things for themselves. There is a reason Jesus established a Church. And he made Peter the first leader of it. Anti-Catholic paranoia and misunderstanding still runs deep thanks to the Reformation. For example, you call the Church pagan because we honor the saints, thinking we worship or deify them which we do not. We ask them to pray for us to God because they are alive in Heaven and are the greatest examples in human history of what Christians are called to be. You might as well call people pagan who hang pictures of their deceased loved ones on their wall.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3373


And the Church suppressing the Bible thing is another Reformation myth. I implore you to look up an explanation by a Catholic source if you care to and determine for yourself what you believe, or just accept what was told to you by misinformed anti-Catholics at face value.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven saying “You are rock, and upon this rock I build my Church. I give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.” Peter was indeed appointed head of the Church by Jesus himself. Peter literally means rock. The study of rocks is called Petrology. Why would Jesus in the same sentence say “You are rock, and upon a different rock I build my Church”? Protestants attempt to explain away the obvious meaning of this line in an attempt to deny the authority of the Pope by saying “Actually in the original Greek Jesus calls Peter “Petros” but then says he will build his Church upon this “Petra.” Yes, that’s true, but anyone who knows Greek knows that this is just how Greek grammar works. Anyone who understands Greek knows that there is no distinction between Peter the rock and the rock of Christ’s Church in that statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3373


The point is that you and the RCC claiming the RCC as the one true church begins in history as self-declaration, not Christ declared.

The congregation set up by Paul in Rome became a church with a bishop, just like dozens of others around the Mediterranean.

And ALL so-called early "popes" were basically nothing more than bishops, with no true authority over Christendom.

Only through subsequent Edicts did the church in Rome start claiming authority over the next several centuries.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

The Church gradually became a defining institution of the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 proclaiming toleration for the Christian religion, and convoked the First Council of Nicaea in 325 whose Nicene Creed included belief in "one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire with the Edict of Thessalonica of 380.

Through such "Edicts" Rome mixed pagan statues, beliefs etc...into the "church", turning the apostolic churches into a hiararchy / tradition-laden religion, just like Judaism had become.

The Waldensians LEFT the Rome area because of such.

God and His Son Jesus finally got fed up with the RCC, and initiated the Reformation, which led to each person reading the Bible and following Jesus and the Father, not human popes who tried to prevent those things.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Peter was known as the head of the Church since the earliest days of Christianity. That’s just an indisputable fact of history. Here are a dozen quotes from the first few centuries of Christianity proving this. Go ahead and find me one quote from the first few centuries AD that says otherwise. [link to www.catholic.com (secure)]

Also, the reformation was man-made and started by an ex-Catholic priest in sixteenth century Germany. Luther had valid complaints about abuse of power by the Church, but to start an entirely new religion and divide the Body of Christ was insane and against the will of God. Jesus prayed with tears that his people would be one. We now have 10,000 Christian denominations because people think they can interpret things for themselves. There is a reason Jesus established a Church. And he made Peter the first leader of it. Anti-Catholic paranoia and misunderstanding still runs deep thanks to the Reformation. For example, you call the Church pagan because we honor the saints, thinking we worship or deify them which we do not. We ask them to pray for us to God because they are alive in Heaven and are the greatest examples in human history of what Christians are called to be. You might as well call people pagan who hang pictures of their deceased loved ones on their wall.
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Did you not read ANYTHING that I posted above, or are you so indoctrinated into the RCC that NOTHING will make you open your eyes?

The Catholic church is no different than the Pharisees of Jesus' time. They've become full of manmade traditions.

The RCC even made changes to Bible verses. It's been admitted that they changed Matthew 28:19.

[link to jesus-messiah.com]

Peter...nor Jesus...established the RCC.

The RCC claims Peter as first pope by proxy...not by truth.

The RCC truly didn't start grasping hold of the Catholic Empire until 445, when the emperor Valentinian III decreed that all western bishops must obey the pope.

Roman leaders spent the entire 290+ years between Christ's death and Constantine's supposed vision in 312 AD persecuting and killing Christians.

They had NO control etc...of the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Rome merely assimilated them, beginning with the Council of Nicea.

And just because the RCC LISTS popes before then....

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

....does NOT mean they were actually true Roman Catholic popes. Funny how pretty much ALL the supposed popes PRIOR to the proclamation of the Edict of Milan in 313 were killed.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Killed by WHO?

Roman leaders.
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Here's why...

In Matt 16: 17-19

Jesus changes Simon's name (means little grain of sand in Aramaic) to Kepha (means massive rock in Aramaic; Peter) and says "upon Kepha I will build my Church and the gates of hell will never overpower it." - though hell is trying very hard to overpower it in today's world! Jesus then gives Peter (1st Pope) the keys to the kingdom of heaven and says, "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

The Church has binding and loosing authority. Think about that for a minute. If it is bound in heaven it has to be perfect because heaven is perfect. This is the basis for authority and infallibility of the Church.

Now... to how all christians FOLLOW the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church:

The Catholic Church compiled the New Testament of the Bible in 382AD during the Council of Rome (see link below). The Church leaders under Pope Damasus I used the binding and loosing authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church to vote on what books and letters should be in the Bible or not. They voted out the gospel of Hebrews for example but voted in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. There were thousand of books and letters that the Church had to review which many authors thought were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

If you don't believe in the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church that compiled the New Testament then you will have to claim the New Testament is invalid and wrong.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

God Bless! Jim
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So, if I buy a book from a bookstore, then I have to do what the book store manager says for the rest of my life?

epiclol
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If you don't believe in the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church that compiled the New Testament then you will have to claim the New Testament is invalid and wrong.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

God Bless! Jim
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So, if I buy a book from a bookstore, then I have to do what the book store manager says for the rest of my life?

epiclol
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There's a reason why various old manuscripts of the various books of the New Testament, and even of the OT, have lasted 1900+ years.

Divine intervention.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

These were NOT RCC "Bishops".
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If you don't believe in the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church that compiled the New Testament then you will have to claim the New Testament is invalid and wrong.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

God Bless! Jim
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


So, if I buy a book from a bookstore, then I have to do what the book store manager says for the rest of my life?

epiclol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72568602


There's a reason why various old manuscripts of the various books of the New Testament, and even of the OT, have lasted 1900+ years.

Divine intervention.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

These were NOT RCC "Bishops".
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I was brought up in that RCC nonsense, I really hate that church, turned me off religion and the truth for 30 years.

Now I simply follow Jesus and ask Him for guidance.
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If you don't believe in the authority and infallibility of the Catholic Church that compiled the New Testament then you will have to claim the New Testament is invalid and wrong.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

God Bless! Jim
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75263717


So, if I buy a book from a bookstore, then I have to do what the book store manager says for the rest of my life?

epiclol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72568602


There's a reason why various old manuscripts of the various books of the New Testament, and even of the OT, have lasted 1900+ years.

Divine intervention.

Those manuscripts have lasted through...

-the Roman wars in the Middle East of the 1st / 2nd Century
-the 200+ years of Roman persecution of Christians that began with Nero
-the "trinitarian" changes made to the Bible beginning around Tertullian's time
-the invasions / expansion of Islam that began after Muhammad's death in 632 AD

AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke.

AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels.

These were NOT RCC "Bishops".
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


WHAT?? Ignatius of Antioch has written letters about his Church that he calls Catholic:

“Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid.”

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Clement was the 4th documented pope of the Catholic Church:

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Thank God the true saints of God who stood up for His Word against the catholics, all recorded in Foxe Book of Martyrs for all history to see how many millions Christians the catholics tortured and killed because they would not bow down and worship the popes.
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True. But not the Catholic Church you're probably thinking of. The Roman Catholic Church left the Catholic Church in 1059. The original Catholic Church (the one who compiled and canonized the scriptures)is now called the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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The Orthodox Church is the true church who follows the early church fathers and apostles' teachings not the Catholic church.