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Globe Earth debunked

 
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So they went with the national science foundation. To study meteorite activity. You are missing the point. Do you know what unescorted means? No one mentioned flat or youtube but you.
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Jeez, do you really think anyone gives a damn about your semantic

You said military escort. Is that the sound of moving goalposts I hear?
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No need to move the goal posts. The operative term is escort. Military or otherwise doesn't really matter.
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It does matter. That was your original claim, which has been refuted.
Let's get back to Antarctica. Someone please explain why we aren't allowed to go there without a military escort. Bullshit answers not welcome.
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Quoted for truth. Not going to let you back out of it.
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Don't go anal on me man. We aren't in a courtroom and you aren't perry mason. Burger maybe, but moving forward, my last post was directed mostly towards others who, open minds intact, may wish to venture outside of your stale point of view. The real world beyond threads which you attempt to hijack. We all get it. You believe in a spinning ball earth whizzing around a sun hurling through space, towing the constellations along with it because they never change. We get it. As it happens, a large and growing portion of humanity no longer believes it.
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So, I asked you to be intellectually honest and confirm you "know" you live on a spinning ball? Instead you fail and try to just turn it on it's head.
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I gave you several reasons, which you (gasp) handwave away. Exactly as expected.

I am offering you nothing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


You can say that, again.

...and selling you no ideas I have nothing to prove and the burden of proof comes with those making a claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


You are doing both. You are making the claim the world is flat. I have disagreed, both citing sources you reject out of hand, citing observations you can make yourself, first hand experiences I have had, and asking for what specific evidence can change your mind. There apparently is no such evidence, so I have concluded that your position is irrational on its face.

I've told you before I can fly....you believe this?
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Strawman noted. Other than demonstrating you intellectual dishonesty.

I can get pictures and video but just not show this in the real life.....you believe this? At what point can you believe this....maybe when you see it for yourself. Someone making outrageous claims should be asked for specifics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


Great! What specific evidence would allow you to conclude that the Earth is globular?

Nothing could sell me an idea without a tangible measurement. All I have asked for is tangible measurement...
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This point I addressed citing the measurements between various Southern-Hemisphere distances between different cities on different continents. Those distances are flown non-stop, daily, by Qantas airlines. Those distance *cannot* be true on a flat Earth.

Another tangible measurement is with Southern Constellations.

Another tangible measurement is the Earth's shadow on the Moon during an eclipse.

Another tangible consequence -- that the Earth cannot be modeled accurately on a flat map. Distortions in distance *must* occur on any flat surface. Why would that be, if the Earth itself was flat?

Another tangible consequence - the laser experiment I linked to earlier which you (gasp) ignored and handwaved away.

You will, of course, handwave away these and other tangible measurements. It's what you do. It's also the reason why you will never give a concrete experiment or observation by which your mind may be changed.

I certainly do not think your claim to have seen the curvature of the earth first hand is meaningful nor true.
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How unexpected.

I look forward to your parroted response and intellectual dishonesty Bobo. Really go for it!!! Don't forget to wear funny clothes, big shoes, paint yer face and make people laugh by performing some hilarious tricks while you behave in such a silly way.
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Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted.
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Beep! Beep! Here he comes Bobo the Clown. Squirting pish from his fake flower all over people's faces and completely fixated in adding up fallacies with his crayon believing it to be of interest to anybody. Big massive shoes too to try to give the false impression of having a big D. Deluded man. Hilarious moves.

Try and detract all you want. I apologise it was unfair to ask you, a fucking clown, to be intellectually honest when you demonstrate clear misunderstanding of the word tangible.

I hate clowns
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Jeez, do you really think anyone gives a damn about your semantic

You said military escort. Is that the sound of moving goalposts I hear?
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


No need to move the goal posts. The operative term is escort. Military or otherwise doesn't really matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75473435

It does matter. That was your original claim, which has been refuted.
Let's get back to Antarctica. Someone please explain why we aren't allowed to go there without a military escort. Bullshit answers not welcome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75473435

Quoted for truth. Not going to let you back out of it.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Don't go anal on me man. We aren't in a courtroom and you aren't perry mason. Burger maybe, but moving forward, my last post was directed mostly towards others who, open minds intact, may wish to venture outside of your stale point of view.
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You were the one who claimed a military escort was required.
Let's get back to Antarctica. Someone please explain why we aren't allowed to go there without a military escort. Bullshit answers not welcome.
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towing the constellations along with it because they never change.
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Wrong.
Let's take a look again at Polaris and Arcturus:
Lol, so what constellations would that be? The same ones we have now? Because if were moving 483,000 miles per hour pretty sure after the fucking stars would have changed by now, thousands of years ago. Funny how only doom comes from fake ass space. Sheep porn
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Proper motion is real and can be measured, but it's incredibly slow in human terms.
Quite right, proper motion is relative to our movement. Anybody else find it incredibly divine a star can line up to celestial North with all this movement going.
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Here's "all the movement" of Polaris over about a half century of time. It's just barely detectable in old photographic sky surveys. The high resolution measurements of the proper motion of Polaris come from the 2007 reduction of the Hipparcos data:
[link to www.aanda.org]
The proper motion of Polaris can be independently verified using ground-based telescopes; since proper motion builds up over time, using high resolution images taken decades apart you can see its effect from one image to the next. For example, you can detect the proper motion of Polaris in images from the first and second Palomar Sky Survey that were taken using the same telescope almost 50 years apart. I used the following photographic film plates:

Plate XO001 (A2TX) photographed Aug 22, 1952 5:20 UT
Astrometrically solved image:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]

Plate XJ896 (A2NG) photographed Jan 17, 1998 5:12 UT
Astrometrically solved image:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]

The images 46 years apart should have a total motion of Polaris of about 2.1 arcseconds according to the hipparcos data (44.48 x 11.85 mas = combined vector of 46 milliarcseconds per year = 0.046 arcseconds per year * 46 years = 2.1 arcseconds).

For diffraction centroiding of Polaris, I measured the intersection of the diffraction spikes to find the position of Polaris in each image:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]

Zooming in on the difference between the intersection points in the diffraction spikes, and drawing a line between those intersection points, you can see that Polaris has moved about 2 arcseconds between 1952 and 1998, just as expected according to the Hipparcos data. And just as expected, the direction of motion is positive in right ascension and negative in declination (resulting in a higher right ascension value and slightly lower declination value in the 1998 image):
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]

So yes, Polaris has proper motion and does move over time, but due to the vast distance between our solar system and Polaris it takes years for these motions to become noticeable even in telescopic images at arcsecond resolution. Even over tens of thousands of years that it takes precession to cycle through, it would only move a fraction of a degree.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


46 milliarcseconds per year * about 13,0000 years = about 598 arcseconds or 10 arcminutes, about 1/3rd the diameter of the full moon. Even if you could hop through time and go back tens of thousands of years, Polaris would barely seem to move by eye. It's very far away, so much so that even with a relative motion of at least 48,000 mph to our solar system, the motion is too small to see by eye over human time spans. Precession does mean that Polaris has not always been the north star in human history though, but that's due to the earth's axis of rotation, rather than a motion of Polaris itself.

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Now, that was Polaris. What about Arcturus? Well here's my data, using the same technique as above, but with an image I took myself just a few days ago on August 3rd, 2017:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
I'm going to use diffraction spike centroiding as before to measure the position of Arcturus relative to the background stars. Here is an image of Arcturus taken on April 17th, 1950 for comparison:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
Uh oh, problem for your claim, it's not moving in the same direction nor at the same speed as Polaris, not even close. And how does its motion match up with the official figures for its proper motion from Hipparcos? Well, here's the motion from April 1950 until now:
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
It traveled -0.02197 degrees in Right Ascension and -0.037151 degrees in declination in that time. Dividing by the number of days between observation (24,581), multiplying by 365.25 days per Julian year, multiplying by 3600 arcseconds per degree and again by 1000 milliarcseconds per arcsecond, we get proper motion figures of -1175 milliarcseconds per year RA, -1987 milliarcseconds per year Declination, in extremely tight agreement with the numbers from Hipparcos:
[link to simbad.u-strasbg.fr]

Now let's take my numbers and revisit my original post about Arcturus from Tycho's measurements and today's measurements.
Just to further prove the point, here is a catalog of stars measured by Tycho Brahe, published by Johannes Kepler, about 400 years ago. This excel sheet contains the ecliptic coordinates, names, and even correlated HIP designations for each star. The highlighted columns are the ecliptic longitude and latitude in the epoch at which these stars were originally measured, around the year 1600.
[link to dropcanvas.com]
Let's take Arcturus as an example, the brightest star in the constellation Boötes. It's on row 135 in the excel sheet, and accounting for 400 years of precession, those coordinates translate to equatorial coordinates of approximately the following:
RA: 214.04 degrees
Declination: 19.44 degrees

Now, what are the coordinates of Arcturus today? Well the J2000.0 coordinates are the following:
RA: 213.9153
Dec: 19.1824

Note, this difference is not from precession, I already accounted for that when converting from ecliptic to equatorial coordinates. This is the actual motion of the star over the last 400 years. Taking the published expected values for the proper motion of Arcturus ( [link to simbad.u-strasbg.fr] ) we can extrapolate the modern coordinates for Arcturus backwards in time to predict what the coordinates should have been 400 years ago back when Tycho and Kepler were doing their work. Here are the coordinates predicted by the proper motion of the star:
RA: 214.04
Dec: 19.40

Well, would you look at that, it's almost a perfect match to what Tycho actually measured, to within 4 hundredths of a degree!

It's NOT a motion of the entire constellation of Boötes either. Let's take a look at another major star of Boötes, the star Izar:
[link to simbad.u-strasbg.fr]

As you can see by its HIP number of 72105, Izar is listed on row 128 of my spreadsheet with ecliptic long and lat of 202.4916667 degrees and 40.66666667 degrees respectively. Once again, calculating for 400 years of precession and converting that to equatorial coordinates we get the following:
RA: 221.24687
Dec: 27.08932

This star has much lower proper motion than Arcturus, it's not moving as fast, so the difference between Tycho's coordinates and modern coordinates is much smaller.
Here are the J2000.0 coordinates of Izar:
RA: 221.24674
Dec: 27.07422

The fact that Arcturus has moved by about 0.29 degrees while Izar has barely moved at all means the constellation of Boötes HAS changed its shape in the last 400 years and you CAN see this difference by examining centuries old star catalogs and comparing to the modern positions of the stars. I just did that. I warned you yesterday not to push me or I'd whip out Tycho on you, but you didn't listen, you just had to resort to slandering me by calling me a pedo and other crap. So now you get to deal with the fact that I just destroyed your claim completely. Enjoy.
 Quoting: The Gentle Astromut


Let's substitute my measurements for the proper motion of Arcturus as well as my measurement of its current position, which I found to be the following:
RA: 213.90935 degrees
Dec: 19.172765 degrees

Using my figures for the proper motion and extrapolating back to Tycho's data more than 400 years ago, I predict the coordinates Arcturus should have had when Tycho observed it should have been the following:
RA: 214.05 degrees
Dec: 19.40 degrees

Again, these numbers agree with Tycho's measurements to within a few hundredths of a degree, and they don't come from NASA, they come from my own observation of the star. Arcturus is moving and the constellations ARE changing shape slowly over time.

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So, I asked you to be intellectually honest and confirm you "know" you live on a spinning ball? Instead you fail and try to just turn it on it's head.
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I gave you several reasons, which you (gasp) handwave away. Exactly as expected.

I am offering you nothing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


You can say that, again.

...and selling you no ideas I have nothing to prove and the burden of proof comes with those making a claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


You are doing both. You are making the claim the world is flat. I have disagreed, both citing sources you reject out of hand, citing observations you can make yourself, first hand experiences I have had, and asking for what specific evidence can change your mind. There apparently is no such evidence, so I have concluded that your position is irrational on its face.

I've told you before I can fly....you believe this?
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Strawman noted. Other than demonstrating you intellectual dishonesty.

I can get pictures and video but just not show this in the real life.....you believe this? At what point can you believe this....maybe when you see it for yourself. Someone making outrageous claims should be asked for specifics.
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Great! What specific evidence would allow you to conclude that the Earth is globular?

Nothing could sell me an idea without a tangible measurement. All I have asked for is tangible measurement...
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This point I addressed citing the measurements between various Southern-Hemisphere distances between different cities on different continents. Those distances are flown non-stop, daily, by Qantas airlines. Those distance *cannot* be true on a flat Earth.

Another tangible measurement is with Southern Constellations.

Another tangible measurement is the Earth's shadow on the Moon during an eclipse.

Another tangible consequence -- that the Earth cannot be modeled accurately on a flat map. Distortions in distance *must* occur on any flat surface. Why would that be, if the Earth itself was flat?

Another tangible consequence - the laser experiment I linked to earlier which you (gasp) ignored and handwaved away.

You will, of course, handwave away these and other tangible measurements. It's what you do. It's also the reason why you will never give a concrete experiment or observation by which your mind may be changed.

I certainly do not think your claim to have seen the curvature of the earth first hand is meaningful nor true.
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How unexpected.

I look forward to your parroted response and intellectual dishonesty Bobo. Really go for it!!! Don't forget to wear funny clothes, big shoes, paint yer face and make people laugh by performing some hilarious tricks while you behave in such a silly way.
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Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted.
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Beep! Beep! Here he comes Bobo the Clown. Squirting pish from his fake flower all over people's faces and completely fixated in adding up fallacies with his crayon believing it to be of interest to anybody. Big massive shoes too to try to give the false impression of having a big D. Deluded man. Hilarious moves.

Try and detract all you want. I apologise it was unfair to ask you, a fucking clown, to be intellectually honest when you demonstrate clear misunderstanding of the word tangible.

I hate clowns
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Ad hominem(s) noted. So sad.
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So, I asked you to be intellectually honest and confirm you "know" you live on a spinning ball? Instead you fail and try to just turn it on it's head.
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I gave you several reasons, which you (gasp) handwave away. Exactly as expected.

I am offering you nothing...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


You can say that, again.

...and selling you no ideas I have nothing to prove and the burden of proof comes with those making a claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


You are doing both. You are making the claim the world is flat. I have disagreed, both citing sources you reject out of hand, citing observations you can make yourself, first hand experiences I have had, and asking for what specific evidence can change your mind. There apparently is no such evidence, so I have concluded that your position is irrational on its face.

I've told you before I can fly....you believe this?
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Strawman noted. Other than demonstrating you intellectual dishonesty.

I can get pictures and video but just not show this in the real life.....you believe this? At what point can you believe this....maybe when you see it for yourself. Someone making outrageous claims should be asked for specifics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


Great! What specific evidence would allow you to conclude that the Earth is globular?

Nothing could sell me an idea without a tangible measurement. All I have asked for is tangible measurement...
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This point I addressed citing the measurements between various Southern-Hemisphere distances between different cities on different continents. Those distances are flown non-stop, daily, by Qantas airlines. Those distance *cannot* be true on a flat Earth.

Another tangible measurement is with Southern Constellations.

Another tangible measurement is the Earth's shadow on the Moon during an eclipse.

Another tangible consequence -- that the Earth cannot be modeled accurately on a flat map. Distortions in distance *must* occur on any flat surface. Why would that be, if the Earth itself was flat?

Another tangible consequence - the laser experiment I linked to earlier which you (gasp) ignored and handwaved away.

You will, of course, handwave away these and other tangible measurements. It's what you do. It's also the reason why you will never give a concrete experiment or observation by which your mind may be changed.

I certainly do not think your claim to have seen the curvature of the earth first hand is meaningful nor true.
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How unexpected.

I look forward to your parroted response and intellectual dishonesty Bobo. Really go for it!!! Don't forget to wear funny clothes, big shoes, paint yer face and make people laugh by performing some hilarious tricks while you behave in such a silly way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77447814


Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted.
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Beep! Beep! Here he comes Bobo the Clown. Squirting pish from his fake flower all over people's faces and completely fixated in adding up fallacies with his crayon believing it to be of interest to anybody. Big massive shoes too to try to give the false impression of having a big D. Deluded man. Hilarious moves.

Try and detract all you want. I apologise it was unfair to ask you, a fucking clown, to be intellectually honest when you demonstrate clear misunderstanding of the word tangible.

I hate clowns
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Ad hominem(s) noted. So sad.
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Go on fuck off. Tangible stars eh?
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Go on fuck off. Tangible stars eh?
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Yes. Tangible measurements of the stars are well understood, and you can own the devices to make such measurements yourself. The behavior of the Northern Hemisphere stars versus the Southern Hemisphere Stars belie a flat Earth -- The Universe isn't flipping "upside down," *you* are. The differences in constellations cannot be explained in the "flat model," such as it is -- and parsimony suggests that a round Earth is a much simpler explanation than the pretzel-explanations of many a Flat Earth believer. Again, you handwave away such information as non-tangible, even though it most certainly is.

Likewise, the other *simple* observations above you so conveniently ignored.

I cited the measurements between various Southern-Hemisphere distances between different cities on different continents. Those distances are flown non-stop, daily, by Qantas airlines. Those distances *cannot* be true on a flat Earth.

Another tangible measurement is with Southern Constellations, as I just explained.

Another tangible measurement is the Earth's shadow on the Moon during an eclipse.

Another tangible consequence -- that the Earth cannot be modeled accurately on a flat map. Distortions in distance *must* occur on any flat surface. Why would that be, if the Earth itself was flat?

Another tangible consequence - the laser experiment I linked to earlier which you (gasp) ignored and handwaved away.

Another tangible consequence is the design of LIGO, one of the most accurate measuring devices ever constructed, and that it had to account for the Earth's curvature in its construction. Construction now repeated two more times, in other *countries.*

You will, of course, handwave away these and other tangible measurements AGAIN. It's also the reason why you will CONTINUE to never give a concrete experiment or observation by which your mind may be changed.

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When is the last time you saw a tilted Earth pearoid shadow on the Moon.

The lighted Moon we see is not possible with the ball Earth theory, a sphere is not a mirror or disk, light reflects from a sphere in a unique way, Moon not a rock ball in space.

Stars have been seen through the limb of the Moon for ages, moon can not be a solid thing.

A spinning water ball Earth in a vacuum is beyound the oale of nonsense.

The men that dreamed up the ball Earth theory did not think things through very well. What is observed from the Earth as our Moon does not fit the ball Earth theory.
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Nope.
Depending on the underlying geometry to actualised mensuration of proper quantities (surfaces, lines, durations, volumes, number and ratio)
So geometry itself is founded on man-made axioms and assumptions, especially those of straight and parallel lines and you equate 2-Spheres (2D geometry of surfaces) with 3-Balls (3D geometry of solid bodies) because you have been conditioned with globes and lied to incessantly about Space

2-Spheres and 3-Balls Geometry share certain amount of equations and theorems making discernment difficult and confusing (mathematically).
Surfaces and volumes are in fact different things that should never be equated in mathematical reasoning or compared to each other.

Being itself only a surface a 2-Sphere cannot contain any water. The 3-Ball apparently has large bodies of water taking the shape of its exterior (held together by irrational "forces").

Completely contrary to observable, repeatable, constant and uniform laws of nature. Water takes the shape of its container. This is an obvious fact on which we depend in all aspects of common daily life. To refute this is completely absurd to common reason.

Quantities can be measured in many ways depending on definitions and axioms. We should AVOID those methods of measurement based on CHOSEN axioms that are CONTRARY to self-evident truths.
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When is the last time you saw a tilted Earth pearoid shadow on the Moon.
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you only see the shadow of the Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse. the Earth only varies from a perfect sphere by less than 1% so I doubt you'd see the difference. So the last time I saw the shadow was during the last lunar eclipse. Exactly when and where it was predicted to be.

The lighted Moon we see is not possible with the ball Earth theory, a sphere is not a mirror or disk, light reflects from a sphere in a unique way, Moon not a rock ball in space.
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Wrong. What you describe only applies to a smooth surface. Look up diffuse reflections.


Stars have been seen through the limb of the Moon for ages, moon can not be a solid thing.
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Doubtful. Pics or it didn't happen.

A spinning water ball Earth in a vacuum is beyound the oale of nonsense.
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Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean others don't.

The men that dreamed up the ball Earth theory did not think things through very well. What is observed from the Earth as our Moon does not fit the ball Earth theory.
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Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean others don't.

A spherical Earth fits ALL observations. A flat does not.

A flat Earth can't explain how observers anywhere on the planet see the sun rise due East on the equinoxes. It can't explain how stars rotate around both the North and South celestial poles. It can't explain how people in Africa, South America, and Australia can all look South and see the same stars. It can't explain how people in the Southern hemisphere EVER see the Sun rise in the Southwest as it should always be in a NorthEast direction according to the mythical flat map.

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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

[link to weatherspark.com (secure)]

Even if it did, any theory must explain all hours, 365 days of the for all points on earth. FE completely fails to do that for the fundamental observation of daylight.

To understand this, one would have to know basic geometry, which the FE community apparently does not.


Regardless, Flat Earth Debunked.
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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

[link to weatherspark.com (secure)]

Even if it did, any theory must explain all hours, 365 days of the for all points on earth. FE completely fails to do that for the fundamental observation of daylight.

To understand this, one would have to know basic geometry, which the FE community apparently does not.


Regardless, Flat Earth Debunked.
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Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube. Now they're squelching a lot, but the main point is there is stuff to question.
Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up.

"Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself."...Q
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That's not very nice. I know plenty of retards who are smarter than flat earthers.
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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

[link to weatherspark.com (secure)]

Even if it did, any theory must explain all hours, 365 days of the for all points on earth. FE completely fails to do that for the fundamental observation of daylight.

To understand this, one would have to know basic geometry, which the FE community apparently does not.


Regardless, Flat Earth Debunked.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes

No need to appeal to NASA, even equations going back to the 19th century can predict the sun's position to better precision than human vision.

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube.
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Actually, JTolan's footage proves earth is round.
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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

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Even if it did, any theory must explain all hours, 365 days of the for all points on earth. FE completely fails to do that for the fundamental observation of daylight.

To understand this, one would have to know basic geometry, which the FE community apparently does not.


Regardless, Flat Earth Debunked.
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Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube. Now they're squelching a lot, but the main point is there is stuff to question.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


1st, you are comparing a FE university of YouTube video to basic observations of daylight? Really?

2nd, "infrared long distance photography" is a subject that would require a researchable, reputable optical engineer to make a valid determination.

There are NO! researchable, reputable engineers or scientist on earth who support FE. To say they are ALL brainwashed by the establishment is a paranoid delusion.
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When is the last time you saw a tilted Earth pearoid shadow on the Moon.

The lighted Moon we see is not possible with the ball Earth theory, a sphere is not a mirror or disk, light reflects from a sphere in a unique way, Moon not a rock ball in space.

Stars have been seen through the limb of the Moon for ages, moon can not be a solid thing.

A spinning water ball Earth in a vacuum is beyound the oale of nonsense.

The men that dreamed up the ball Earth theory did not think things through very well. What is observed from the Earth as our Moon does not fit the ball Earth theory.
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"A spinning water ball Earth in a vacuum is beyond the pale of nonsense."

You have two misconceptions here:

1) The rate of rotation of the Earth is very slow. It is not whipping around like a car tire flinging water off; it only rotates once per day.

2) A vacuum does not reach out and pull things.

The pressure of the atmosphere is caused by its weight, and the pressure is lower as the air becomes thinner as altitude increases.

By the time you reach the upper limit of the atmosphere, or the edge of Space, the pressure is so low that it is virtually a vacuum, so there is no pressure difference.
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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

[link to weatherspark.com (secure)]

Even if it did, any theory must explain all hours, 365 days of the for all points on earth. FE completely fails to do that for the fundamental observation of daylight.

To understand this, one would have to know basic geometry, which the FE community apparently does not.


Regardless, Flat Earth Debunked.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube. Now they're squelching a lot, but the main point is there is stuff to question.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


1st, you are comparing a FE university of YouTube video to basic observations of daylight? Really?

2nd, "infrared long distance photography" is a subject that would require a researchable, reputable optical engineer to make a valid determination.

There are NO! researchable, reputable engineers or scientist on earth who support FE. To say they are ALL brainwashed by the establishment is a paranoid delusion.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


Fluffy McDumbshit isn't exactly very bright, if you haven't figured it out by now....
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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

[link to weatherspark.com (secure)]

 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube. Now they're squelching a lot, but the main point is there is stuff to question.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


1st, you are comparing a FE university of YouTube video to basic observations of daylight? Really?

2nd, "infrared long distance photography" is a subject that would require a researchable, reputable optical engineer to make a valid determination.

There are NO! researchable, reputable engineers or scientist on earth who support FE. To say they are ALL brainwashed by the establishment is a paranoid delusion.
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I'm not going to get into a typed yelling match with you or even an argument. I just asked you two questions, to which you respond with vitriol. And all I can say, is fine. You don't have to look.

"Reputable scientists and engineers"? To take videos? Look up Dr John D's experiments on YouTube. He's a PhD in spectography I think. Just examine information is all I'm suggesting. It isn't any threat to your paradigm to examine things.

If you don't want to, fine.
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Flat Earth Theory can't even explain basic observations of daylight hours.

NO FE model can explain 17+ hours of daylight in Rio Grande, Argentina on December 22

[link to weatherspark.com (secure)]

 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube. Now they're squelching a lot, but the main point is there is stuff to question.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


1st, you are comparing a FE university of YouTube video to basic observations of daylight? Really?

2nd, "infrared long distance photography" is a subject that would require a researchable, reputable optical engineer to make a valid determination.

There are NO! researchable, reputable engineers or scientist on earth who support FE. To say they are ALL brainwashed by the establishment is a paranoid delusion.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


I'm not going to get into a typed yelling match with you or even an argument. I just asked you two questions, to which you respond with vitriol. And all I can say, is fine. You don't have to look.

"Reputable scientists and engineers"? To take videos? Look up Dr John D's experiments on YouTube. He's a PhD in spectography I think. Just examine information is all I'm suggesting. It isn't any threat to your paradigm to examine things.

If you don't want to, fine.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Well I just looked and their is no mention where he got his PhD, where he was worked as a professional. When I google "Dr, John D's PhD spectrography", I get ZERO.

If you want me or any objective person to consider his material, provide his credentials education/professional experience.

Regardless, that does not change the fact, that no FE model explains basic daylight observations.

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Have you actually looked into the various models and simulations even using all the measurements from NASA et al?

There's a lot to question here. Look up the infrared long distance photography on Youtube. Now they're squelching a lot, but the main point is there is stuff to question.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


1st, you are comparing a FE university of YouTube video to basic observations of daylight? Really?

2nd, "infrared long distance photography" is a subject that would require a researchable, reputable optical engineer to make a valid determination.

There are NO! researchable, reputable engineers or scientist on earth who support FE. To say they are ALL brainwashed by the establishment is a paranoid delusion.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


I'm not going to get into a typed yelling match with you or even an argument. I just asked you two questions, to which you respond with vitriol. And all I can say, is fine. You don't have to look.

"Reputable scientists and engineers"? To take videos? Look up Dr John D's experiments on YouTube. He's a PhD in spectography I think. Just examine information is all I'm suggesting. It isn't any threat to your paradigm to examine things.

If you don't want to, fine.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Well I just looked and their is no mention where he got his PhD, where he was worked as a professional. When I google "Dr, John D's PhD spectrography", I get ZERO.

If you want me or any objective person to consider his material, provide his credentials education/professional experience.
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But but but he's on the YouTubes!!!
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1st, you are comparing a FE university of YouTube video to basic observations of daylight? Really?

2nd, "infrared long distance photography" is a subject that would require a researchable, reputable optical engineer to make a valid determination.

There are NO! researchable, reputable engineers or scientist on earth who support FE. To say they are ALL brainwashed by the establishment is a paranoid delusion.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel


I'm not going to get into a typed yelling match with you or even an argument. I just asked you two questions, to which you respond with vitriol. And all I can say, is fine. You don't have to look.

"Reputable scientists and engineers"? To take videos? Look up Dr John D's experiments on YouTube. He's a PhD in spectography I think. Just examine information is all I'm suggesting. It isn't any threat to your paradigm to examine things.

If you don't want to, fine.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Well I just looked and their is no mention where he got his PhD, where he was worked as a professional. When I google "Dr, John D's PhD spectrography", I get ZERO.

If you want me or any objective person to consider his material, provide his credentials education/professional experience.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel



But but but he's on the YouTubes!!!
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So are these geniuses........

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Okay. So, just for curiosity's sake, do you take one stupid to equal all stupid? In your math, logic and reason, considerations? Tbh, I have never, and probably will never watch a Trailer Park Boys anything.

The logic in the posting the TPB thing is like "God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God."

Not actually honest, right?

I'd actually like to know why one would think that a certified scientist is the only one that can take videos with an infrared camera and have it be acceptable. What is the logic behind that? Seriously.

From my point of view, I am interested only in actual inquiry. Not pushing one view over another, but in demonstrable evidence that people can replicate and analyze on their own.

Just to be clear, what I am positive of is that NASA and their subsets via funding, ala Space X, are frauds. But I cannot tell you for certain what the shape of the Earth actually is. Just that NASA lies, and the science is not proven to the satisfaction of millions of people.

Why should inquiry be censored?

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Just to be clear, what I am positive of is that NASA and their subsets via funding, ala Space X, are frauds.
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Wrong.








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Okay. So, just for curiosity's sake, do you take one stupid to equal all stupid? In your math, logic and reason, considerations? Tbh, I have never, and probably will never watch a Trailer Park Boys anything.

The logic in the posting the TPB thing is like "God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God."

Not actually honest, right?

I'd actually like to know why one would think that a certified scientist is the only one that can take videos with an infrared camera and have it be acceptable. What is the logic behind that? Seriously.

From my point of view, I am interested only in actual inquiry. Not pushing one view over another, but in demonstrable evidence that people can replicate and analyze on their own.

Just to be clear, what I am positive of is that NASA and their subsets via funding, ala Space X, are frauds. But I cannot tell you for certain what the shape of the Earth actually is. Just that NASA lies, and the science is not proven to the satisfaction of millions of people.


Why should inquiry be censored?

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And your evidence for this? Apart from YouTube vids from your fellow dimwits?
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Okay. So, just for curiosity's sake, do you take one stupid to equal all stupid? In your math, logic and reason, considerations? Tbh, I have never, and probably will never watch a Trailer Park Boys anything.

The logic in the posting the TPB thing is like "God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God."

Not actually honest, right?

I'd actually like to know why one would think that a certified scientist is the only one that can take videos with an infrared camera and have it be acceptable. What is the logic behind that? Seriously.

From my point of view, I am interested only in actual inquiry. Not pushing one view over another, but in demonstrable evidence that people can replicate and analyze on their own.

Just to be clear, what I am positive of is that NASA and their subsets via funding, ala Space X, are frauds. But I cannot tell you for certain what the shape of the Earth actually is. Just that NASA lies, and the science is not proven to the satisfaction of millions of people.

Why should inquiry be censored?

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No Ball Earther uses NASA as proof of the shape of the Earth. NASA is not relevant one way or the other.

As far as lies, there may be fraud involving the ISS. For example, rather than the fat guy and the woman with the crazy hair, the real crew of ISS may be military, and the civilians may be a cover story, with the videos taken on Earth.

However, the ISS does actually exist, and is orbiting 200 miles above Earth where they claim it to be.
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That s funny because nobody really knows.
If it was a globe and if we went to the moon or mars (lol) we would have already thousands of videos of our earth spinning, right?
I don t knwo if it s a globe or if it s flat, but i know that Nasa lies since the beginning.
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Its flat. Tough pill to swallow but true. I got sick of hearing about it, was bored and did some research. About a month later I was convinced. I knew the moon landings were faked but found flat earth stupid/unbelievable.
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That s funny because nobody really knows.
If it was a globe and if we went to the moon or mars (lol) we would have already thousands of videos of our earth spinning, right?
I don t knwo if it s a globe or if it s flat, but i know that Nasa lies since the beginning.
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Its flat. Tough pill to swallow but true. I got sick of hearing about it, was bored and did some research. About a month later I was convinced. I knew the moon landings were faked but found flat earth stupid/unbelievable.
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So you watched some YouTube vids?


Idiot.
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I'd actually like to know why one would think that a certified scientist is the only one that can take videos with an infrared camera and have it be acceptable. What is the logic behind that? Seriously.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes

In the link that Astro posted, that JTolan's own footage proves spherical earth has nothing to do with infrared. Sensationalism aside, he is showing only a top part of the mountain range in accordance with the curvature of the earth.

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Okay. So, just for curiosity's sake, do you take one stupid to equal all stupid? In your math, logic and reason, considerations? Tbh, I have never, and probably will never watch a Trailer Park Boys anything.

The logic in the posting the TPB thing is like "God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God."

Not actually honest, right?

I'd actually like to know why one would think that a certified scientist is the only one that can take videos with an infrared camera and have it be acceptable. What is the logic behind that? Seriously.

From my point of view, I am interested only in actual inquiry. Not pushing one view over another, but in demonstrable evidence that people can replicate and analyze on their own.

Just to be clear, what I am positive of is that NASA and their subsets via funding, ala Space X, are frauds. But I cannot tell you for certain what the shape of the Earth actually is. Just that NASA lies, and the science is not proven to the satisfaction of millions of people.


Why should inquiry be censored?

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And your evidence for this? Apart from YouTube vids from your fellow dimwits?

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My eyes, binoculars, and the ability to factor math that requires 8 inches per mile squared to be the curvature of Earth as it is described to us. And is required by the size and model we are taught.

And yes, the cardboard covered in tin foil Moon Lander does factor into the equation. As well as every "outer space" pic of the Earth being CGI/Photoshop.

The "moon" landings are actually totally hilarious. It's a show. And we "believe" because we saw it on tv. I mean, really? Nixon talked to the astronauts on the Moon with no delay on a corded telephone? Never mind that the camera crew hit the surface first. We all watched that and believed it because...Why would they lie?

But I do still have questions about FE model that haven't been answered to my satisfaction. But I lean to FE because of what I can actually see, measure, and deduce. I'm just not 100% Flat. But I am 100% off NASA.

What I am after is what the truth of our realm/reality actually is.

Sorry, Astro, I haven't taken you off ignore yet. But I do get your PM's. And I don't personally detest you in any way.We just hit an impasse so I availed myself of tools available to me. Don't wish you ill.
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Why do you have to lie, Fluffy McDumbshit? We all know that you have the intellect of a paper towel.
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Okay. So, just for curiosity's sake, do you take one stupid to equal all stupid? In your math, logic and reason, considerations? Tbh, I have never, and probably will never watch a Trailer Park Boys anything.

The logic in the posting the TPB thing is like "God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God."

Not actually honest, right?

I'd actually like to know why one would think that a certified scientist is the only one that can take videos with an infrared camera and have it be acceptable. What is the logic behind that? Seriously.

From my point of view, I am interested only in actual inquiry. Not pushing one view over another, but in demonstrable evidence that people can replicate and analyze on their own.

Just to be clear, what I am positive of is that NASA and their subsets via funding, ala Space X, are frauds. But I cannot tell you for certain what the shape of the Earth actually is. Just that NASA lies, and the science is not proven to the satisfaction of millions of people.


Why should inquiry be censored?

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And your evidence for this? Apart from YouTube vids from your fellow dimwits?

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My eyes, binoculars, and the ability to factor math that requires 8 inches per mile squared to be the curvature of Earth as it is described to us. And is required by the size and model we are taught.

And yes, the cardboard covered in tin foil Moon Lander does factor
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Why do you have to lie, Fluffy McDumbshit? We all know that you have the intellect of a paper towel.
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Sure. Your inquisitive nature and willingness to check your paradigm are clearly indicative of a diminished mental capacity on my part.

Wow. Brilliance, in all it's glory.
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My eyes, binoculars, and the ability to factor math that requires 8 inches per mile squared to be the curvature of Earth as it is described to us. And is required by the size and model we are taught.
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Learn the actual formula. That isn't it. And the curvature is there.

And yes, the cardboard covered in tin foil Moon Lander does factor into the equation. As well as every "outer space" pic of the Earth being CGI/Photoshop.
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Wrong.
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The "moon" landings are actually totally hilarious. It's a show.
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Wrong.
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Sorry, Astro, I haven't taken you off ignore yet.
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That's because you can't handle my evidence. Really exposes your dogma.
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