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This is the meeting the passengers in the crashed plane were going to:

Techhnologies that aim to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from Earth or sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere will be on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Assembly next week, when it meets in Nairobi. The body is poised to debate a resolution on geoengineering approaches that could be used to fight climate change, elevating a controversial issue to its highest political forum yet.

A proposal backed by Switzerland and ten other countries would require the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) to prepare a comprehensive assessment of geoengineering, including methods to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or inject aerosols into the stratosphere to block sunlight...

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

What could possibly go wrong?
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plant more trees if you want to get more co2 out of the air.

But ofcourse research in Germany has shown their isn't enough co2 in the air and the trees are starving.
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This is the meeting the passengers in the crashed plane were going to:

Techhnologies that aim to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from Earth or sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere will be on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Assembly next week, when it meets in Nairobi. The body is poised to debate a resolution on geoengineering approaches that could be used to fight climate change, elevating a controversial issue to its highest political forum yet.

A proposal backed by Switzerland and ten other countries would require the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) to prepare a comprehensive assessment of geoengineering, including methods to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or inject aerosols into the stratosphere to block sunlight...

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

What could possibly go wrong?
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Let's block the sun and invoke an ICE AGE! Great idea (not)
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Just launch Rosie O'donell into space and put her between us and the sun. That should do the trick
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plant more trees if you want to get more co2 out of the air.

But ofcourse research in Germany has shown their isn't enough co2 in the air and the trees are starving.
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Not only are trees smaller, (from less co2) but plants also, as in food!

'They' know that of course, part of their de-population agenda.

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Here is the UN environment conference official homepage

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Why is this nose down system even being implemented now? Have pilots all of a sudden had issues knowing the orientation of the plane while they are piloting it?

What was the need to start using this?
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The 737 MAX has new engines put there for better fuel economy.

But the size and placement of those engines changes the plane's weight balance, which makes the plane more likely to pitch up and stall under certain flight conditions, which would make the plane unable to pass certain regulations.

Normally, they would have to redesign the aircraft, but then the plane would count as a new construction and would have to pass all the normal tests required for any new aircraft and all the pilots flying it would have to be retrained, both of which are lengthy and costly procedures.

But what they did instead is they put an electronic system called MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) which detects when the plane approaches stall conditions and automatically pitches the nose down to avoid it.

To work properly, the system has to rely on input data from the speed and AOA (angle of attack) sensors on the plane.

The problem seems to arise when one of these sensors gets damaged/corrupted and delivers wrong data to the computer.

Then the MCAS system automatically pitches the nose down, because it's thinking it's approaching stall conditions, when in fact it is pointing the plane into the ground.

The force on the stick is apparently so strong that the pilots have not enough physical strength to overcome it manually by pulling the stick.

There is apparently a way to turn it off, but the problem is the aircraft doesn't inform you what it's doing, it's just pitching down without any logical reason and you have to figure it out yourself in time, which doesn't seem to be so easy.

To top it off, Boeing had not informed airlines or pilots about the existence of such system only until after the Indonesian Lion Air crash from the last October. They released a "memo", but still the problem has not been properly identified and as such there exist no official instruction what to do, so most pilots haven't been officially trained for such scenario.
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Good synopsis. There are ways of turning it off. One of the ways is to select flaps. It also is supposed to be able to be overridden by using electric pitch trim disconnect switches. But the problem is in recognizing the condition in time and, when close to the ground, is impossible in some instances...
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just bringing over a post from the plane crash thread
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4 climate Scientists, CO2 levels lowest in earths history


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I came across information recently that the problem is not CO2 but it is in fact nitrogen content in the air...

but hey..
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Why is this nose down system even being implemented now? Have pilots all of a sudden had issues knowing the orientation of the plane while they are piloting it?

What was the need to start using this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76405108

The 737 MAX has new engines put there for better fuel economy.

But the size and placement of those engines changes the plane's weight balance, which makes the plane more likely to pitch up and stall under certain flight conditions, which would make the plane unable to pass certain regulations.

Normally, they would have to redesign the aircraft, but then the plane would count as a new construction and would have to pass all the normal tests required for any new aircraft and all the pilots flying it would have to be retrained, both of which are lengthy and costly procedures.

But what they did instead is they put an electronic system called MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) which detects when the plane approaches stall conditions and automatically pitches the nose down to avoid it.

To work properly, the system has to rely on input data from the speed and AOA (angle of attack) sensors on the plane.

The problem seems to arise when one of these sensors gets damaged/corrupted and delivers wrong data to the computer.

Then the MCAS system automatically pitches the nose down, because it's thinking it's approaching stall conditions, when in fact it is pointing the plane into the ground.

The force on the stick is apparently so strong that the pilots have not enough physical strength to overcome it manually by pulling the stick.

There is apparently a way to turn it off, but the problem is the aircraft doesn't inform you what it's doing, it's just pitching down without any logical reason and you have to figure it out yourself in time, which doesn't seem to be so easy.

To top it off, Boeing had not informed airlines or pilots about the existence of such system only until after the Indonesian Lion Air crash from the last October. They released a "memo", but still the problem has not been properly identified and as such there exist no official instruction what to do, so most pilots haven't been officially trained for such scenario.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77446665


Good synopsis. There are ways of turning it off. One of the ways is to select flaps. It also is supposed to be able to be overridden by using electric pitch trim disconnect switches. But the problem is in recognizing the condition in time and, when close to the ground, is impossible in some instances...
 Quoting: Capt Dan


just bringing over a post from the plane crash thread
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Why smoke and fire when only a 'sensor' didn't work? Why do people fly anyway...what is wrong with a bicycle?
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A bicycle would work in Netherlands or Denmark...
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Here a new paper on temperatures , clouds, cosmic rays and the Sun
[link to www.thegwpf.org (secure)]

Temperature on planets is caused by barometric pressure. On Mars and planets and moons. There is a paper out discussing that. Nikolov I think
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This is the meeting the passengers in the crashed plane were going to:

Techhnologies that aim to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from Earth or sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere will be on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Assembly next week, when it meets in Nairobi. The body is poised to debate a resolution on geoengineering approaches that could be used to fight climate change, elevating a controversial issue to its highest political forum yet.

A proposal backed by Switzerland and ten other countries would require the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) to prepare a comprehensive assessment of geoengineering, including methods to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or inject aerosols into the stratosphere to block sunlight...

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

What could possibly go wrong?
 Quoting: Tess.


Oh, come on.. Didn't they strip us of aerosols back in the 90s because of the hole in the ozone fake scare?
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The Sun is good! It's energy!! Never block an energy source, instead harness it.
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If it was people going to the un, screw em?

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plant more trees if you want to get more co2 out of the air.

But ofcourse research in Germany has shown their isn't enough co2 in the air and the trees are starving.
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Did you know that Canada's boreal forest now produces more CO2 than it sequesters ?
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f the oceans, lets focus on tiny atoms in the sky
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The Sun is good! It's energy!! Never block an energy source, instead harness it.
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Thats right! Put your solar panel-poncho on and charge your phone before the microwaving cooks you like a chicken in a bag.
I don't know about other places, but its comparable to death valley conditions here they say and it actually does seem like more than heat. Like you are actually cooking some days.
We have a lot of military here, so i doubt they are spraying lithium - but they do spray us over often and we think it is to keep stuff from just igniting out here in "the valley of the sun".
I want underground, but agree if we can get decent power out of it we should. Cover the garden with solar panels so it can live and run the water pump.
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Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line.
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4 climate Scientists, CO2 levels lowest in earths history


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[link to www.co2.earth (secure)]
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f the oceans, lets focus on tiny atoms in the sky
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The oceans have been acting as a buffer against the worst of climate change but by the looks of things that isn't going to last much longer.

Carbon sequestration won't work and SRM is completely untested.

We're in the shit
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plant more trees if you want to get more co2 out of the air.

But ofcourse research in Germany has shown their isn't enough co2 in the air and the trees are starving.
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Exactly!
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Fuck those un crap ideals.
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This is the meeting the passengers in the crashed plane were going to:

Techhnologies that aim to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from Earth or sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere will be on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Assembly next week, when it meets in Nairobi. The body is poised to debate a resolution on geoengineering approaches that could be used to fight climate change, elevating a controversial issue to its highest political forum yet.

A proposal backed by Switzerland and ten other countries would require the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) to prepare a comprehensive assessment of geoengineering, including methods to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or inject aerosols into the stratosphere to block sunlight...

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

What could possibly go wrong?
 Quoting: Tess.


Let's block the sun and invoke an ICE AGE! Great idea (not)
 Quoting: The King of Rock 'n Roll

They have already been doing this, cooling earth, that's what the CHEM TRAILS are! This is what they do, they pretend a UN worldwide democratic decision was made but really it's been going on in secret for some time,I knew about it years ago
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0,04% at Mauna Loa,
it rises when there is summer on the Southern Hemisphere where most of the sea is , and the sea heats up. That causes release of CO2 from the ocean.
When there is summer on the northern hemisphere, where most land mass is, the plants and trees take up CO2 and the content goes down.
CO2 ideal for plants and in glass houses is like 2000ppm, and there has been CO2 levels like that before on earth previously
Plants die at 180 ppm, 0,018% and below.
When all plants die like that (has happened) they break down and release CO2 again

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This is the meeting the passengers in the crashed plane were going to:

Techhnologies that aim to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from Earth or sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere will be on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Assembly next week, when it meets in Nairobi. The body is poised to debate a resolution on geoengineering approaches that could be used to fight climate change, elevating a controversial issue to its highest political forum yet.

A proposal backed by Switzerland and ten other countries would require the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) to prepare a comprehensive assessment of geoengineering, including methods to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or inject aerosols into the stratosphere to block sunlight...

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

What could possibly go wrong?
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They already do with Chem trails!!1
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The Sun is good! It's energy!! Never block an energy source, instead harness it.
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Sun grows food. People need sun also. People don't get cancer from sun exposure. It's lack of sun that people don't get that screws up the immune systems causing sickness.
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The Sun is good! It's energy!! Never block an energy source, instead harness it.
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Sun grows food. People need sun also. People don't get cancer from sun exposure. It's lack of sun that people don't get that screws up the immune systems causing sickness.
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Personally, I just time my activities to the Sun position and weather...I can get yard-work done early or late in the evening when the Sun angles are less intense...it's not that difficult to adjust to.
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f the oceans, lets focus on tiny atoms in the sky
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The oceans have been acting as a buffer against the worst of climate change but by the looks of things that isn't going to last much longer.

Carbon sequestration won't work and SRM is completely untested.

We're in the shit
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^THIS^
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just like in the simpsons where mr burns blocked the sun
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It's time to go to war with the UN
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This is the meeting the passengers in the crashed plane were going to:

Techhnologies that aim to cool the planet by reflecting sunlight away from Earth or sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere will be on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Assembly next week, when it meets in Nairobi. The body is poised to debate a resolution on geoengineering approaches that could be used to fight climate change, elevating a controversial issue to its highest political forum yet.

A proposal backed by Switzerland and ten other countries would require the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) to prepare a comprehensive assessment of geoengineering, including methods to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere or inject aerosols into the stratosphere to block sunlight...

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

What could possibly go wrong?
 Quoting: Tess.


What idiots. So, they want to induce another ICE AGE do they? Well, that ought to wipe out the majority of the white population since the majority do live in the Northern Hemisphere.





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