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How can NSA track you down even if you hop through multiple VPNs?

 
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Webservers run scripts that leverage your browser to harvest your physical MAC address. Once the physical MAC address is revealed it is stored.

Your MAC address is unique to your native physical machine.
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The internet is "The Matrix"

Agent smith is everywhere within the matrix.
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I dont even care to hide my porn browsing behind vpn. What's the point? Lol
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Its deeper than that.at the binary level they can type your keys while you sleep.make anybody look bad or good.never trust digital alone as evidence.if they cheat,they can,thank god its obvious when they do though.theres a reason more than one person is ever watching.with ai,no more cheating anywhere.the corrupt will get judged.
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Webservers run scripts that leverage your browser to harvest your physical MAC address. Once the physical MAC address is revealed it is stored.

Your MAC address is unique to your native physical machine.
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So spoof it.
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Webservers run scripts that leverage your browser to harvest your physical MAC address. Once the physical MAC address is revealed it is stored.

Your MAC address is unique to your native physical machine.
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The mac address doesnt get past the router in most cases. They can easily be changed or the hardware changed. Gay
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Certain browsers are very tracker friendly.
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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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All CPUs have a quantum sub-processor that sends metadata of all your activity to the NSA.
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I dont even care to hide my porn browsing behind vpn. What's the point? Lol
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Nobody cares what kind of tranny porn you watch. Gay
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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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All CPUs have a quantum sub-processor that sends metadata of all your activity to the NSA.
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Gay
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Ok riddle me this. If these three letter agencies have back doors into everything then why do the supeona the VPNs for data logs? Also why do the DOJ consistently complain about encryption and how it should be banned?
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Ok riddle me this. If these three letter agencies have back doors into everything then why do the supeona the VPNs for data logs? Also why do the DOJ consistently complain about encryption and how it should be banned?
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It's for show. If we think that we are safe, then we will continue to use these unsecure methods.
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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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Your first mistake is thinking a VPN is completely secure and safe. Its an illusion of safety. It keeps the average hacker out, but with the right equipment its completely possible. It seems you have fallen for the myth that a VPN is not hackable or traceable. I only use vpn for work because it is required. But personally I never use one, I'm not trying to hide from anyone and if they see me streaming movies, fuckem'.

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Ok riddle me this. If these three letter agencies have back doors into everything then why do the supeona the VPNs for data logs? Also why do the DOJ consistently complain about encryption and how it should be banned?
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It just makes their job a little easier if they do not have to do the work themelves. They typically only target the endpoints, not in between. Beginning and end is all they need.

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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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Physical backdoors, they own the vpns or can put pressure on them to release data
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Never trust an OS , your wife or a VPN.
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Or the hardware.
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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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It is actually very easy if you have access to the right tools (which NSA does of course). All net traffic passes through a small number of Tier-1 providers at some point so you only need a select number of peer connections (which the NSA has of course). A VPN is easy to track because it has a start and end IP and easy to identify patterns. If you can monitor all traffic in and out via a NOC, via lets call it a "looking glass", then it is really easy to assemble start and end points. It might be encrypted but your traffic starts and ends through the entire tunnel in a synced manner which creates simple patterns that are easy for monitoring tools to identify. It is really easy during slower traffic periods in the timezone of the monitored target. Meaning, if you want to make it take longer to identify what you are doing do it during PEAK traffic periods.

It is a little more complex than I am making it sound but there are tools that automatically assemble the reports for you.

There is an art to secure anonymous communications. Using a VPN while sitting in your house, even if you hop 5, is not going to keep your identity from the NSA. Sure, most anyone else it will make it near impossible to locate you but not from the great eye.

Just remember, the NSA has HIGHLY qualified top notch people that have the BEST tools available to them for this type of thing, PERIOD.
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Never trust an OS , your wife or a VPN.
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Or the hardware.
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Claims that ME is a backdoor

Critics like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and security expert Damien Zammit accused the ME of being a backdoor and a privacy concern. Zammit stresses that the ME has full access to memory (without the parent CPU having any knowledge); has full access to the TCP/IP stack and can send and receive network packets independently of the operating system, thus bypassing its firewall.

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The subsystem primarily consists of proprietary firmware running on a separate microprocessor that performs tasks during boot-up, while the computer is running, and while it is asleep.[7] As long as the chipset or SoC is connected to current (via battery or power supply), it continues to run even when the system is turned off.
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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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I spent five hours on my cell phone with another Engineer in Costa Rica today as we troubleshot a problem with a redirector service I have running on Windows Server 2016 that I have loaded and am running off the HDD's on CISCO routers in distant places.

That answers your question.

If anything I am honest and I am on our side.

I posted it in the Foodie thread as we worked Thread: GRILL CHEESSE N TOMATO SAMMMICH KIND OF NIGHT W/BLACK BEAN SOUP.......ITS RAINING (Page 205) , it takes a CISCO router about ten minutes to load and launch a secondary OS on the router if you're curious. You can't even see it without the right access.

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They are coming for you steve.
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They track bitcoin too.
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Run your main OS on VPN and a proxy, then run TOR browser inside that. Might confuse anyone trying to locate you.
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Re: How can NSA track you down even if you hop through multiple VPNs?
they could be running the vpns

also there are various ways to identify a computer, such as mac address, browser fingerprint, ect ect ect
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I just dont buy this FUD about three letter agencies running all VPNs. No evidence to support this. In fact many VPN have flat out told them they have no logs when data was requested.
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Routers log everything. Who needs an ISP's or VPN provider's logs when you have access to the raw data and control the root CA's?
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I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
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well I've heard too many cases where illegal shit happens and no one gets caught because they were anon on their computer. So how do these dark web creeps get away with it?
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they could be running the vpns

also there are various ways to identify a computer, such as mac address, browser fingerprint, ect ect ect
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77390702


I just dont buy this FUD about three letter agencies running all VPNs. No evidence to support this. In fact many VPN have flat out told them they have no logs when data was requested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74670671

Routers log everything. Who needs an ISP's or VPN provider's logs when you have access to the raw data and control the root CA's?
 Quoting: Louis in Richmond


Routers don't log everything. Only certain routers that are set up to keep logs do that. More FUD. How do you know they control the CA's? Again no proof just more speculation.
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Re: How can NSA track you down even if you hop through multiple VPNs?
I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75358696


well I've heard too many cases where illegal shit happens and no one gets caught because they were anon on their computer. So how do these dark web creeps get away with it?
Idol1
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It is very difficult and expensive to track someone using the methods people mention here.

One thing people almost never mention here is that VPN's and Tor are not static. They change and update as well. It's almost always assumed that the three letters have better capabilities than the private industry. While that is certainly possible it is still just speculation.
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Re: How can NSA track you down even if you hop through multiple VPNs?
they could be running the vpns

also there are various ways to identify a computer, such as mac address, browser fingerprint, ect ect ect
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77390702


I just dont buy this FUD about three letter agencies running all VPNs. No evidence to support this. In fact many VPN have flat out told them they have no logs when data was requested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74670671

Routers log everything. Who needs an ISP's or VPN provider's logs when you have access to the raw data and control the root CA's?
 Quoting: Louis in Richmond


Routers don't log everything. Only certain routers that are set up to keep logs do that. More FUD. How do you know they control the CA's? Again no proof just more speculation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77507411


even ISP grade routers do not have long term storage
they must dump the logs to a file at specified intervals
or the data is overwritten

root servers are all under the control of the gov.

the internet was and still is a military project and operation
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